Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "US and Europe, increases" video.

@pittabreadchicken7926 You want sympathy because of your governments incompetence yet you are ok that incompetence killed someone. You are just an extremely selfish person. Wouldn't it have been better to have both like Australia and New Zealand and China, few deaths and less economic impact, in fact short term at least the failed responses around the world have helped China's economy because more goods purchased and less services purchased.
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Take care of yourself and hope you are doing ok given the circumstances.
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The Australian and New Zealand TGA is independent, are you suggesting the Australian or New Zealand governments should unreasonably interfere? There is no emergency use requirement in Australia or New Zealand or the Pacific nations we will be assisting and likely use the ANZ TGA as their general guide I would expect. It's not typical because look where we are versus the emergency use countries that failed to contain the virus. Australia did 10,000 covid 19 tests by the end of February, UK around 13,000 but no lockdown and US 500. Per capita however we come second at that point with 100,000 tests in South Korea. Don't bag your own country/s. Proactive actions is why we have very few cases.
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It's terrible, that's what collapse is.
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@GlobalDrifter1000 ok interesting, what do you think is the main reasons for rollout delays in, it seems most if not all states?
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I am in Australia and in response to comments on the original comment , I don't trust what they don't trust , emergency use means the benefits outweigh the risks but risks are far more significant than we like so it's not getting general approval yet , we need more data and time. In effect the vaccine roll outs are phase 3 trials. I don't blame or think there is anything wrong with the emergency use in countries where the virus is rampant and on the basis of the emergency use it will save many lives.
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I saw that news clip, it's the same as Wuhan , NY and Northern Italy before. I would suggest it's true.
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@ArialAElise ok I misunderstood you. I know other than at the beginning and when Victoria Australia had serious problems all cases are genomic tested, but no idea how long that takes. About overall effectiveness of contact tracing , it will be very low where cases are high. I know in the case of Victoria when they got to about 500 cases per day it couldn't work at all in a state population of 6,500,000 and about 2,000 contact tracers. It was stated when Victoria basically developed a lockdown plan to get to very few cases that they were only confident that they could effectively contact trace 50 daily cases and anything higher the risk of having another major outbreak was too high, 90% confidence was given at the 50 cases per day that contact tracing would succeed. Contact tracing in Australia is track down everyone who was for example in a supermarket between certain times and encourage them to be tested etc. and then contact their close contacts for testing. My impression is contact tracing where the virus is rampant is just people that are close contacts as in household and work without bothering about looking for others and forget about secondary contacts without another known positive test result. Because of our fear in Brisbane of the UK strain the people at supermarkets where an infected person visited were declared close contacts and must get tested and isolate. So all supermarket staff working at that time would be going through self isolation and all the other customers they could find that were in store at the same time. These would normally be considered potential contacts not close contacts and maybe that with the 3 days lockdown is a bit over the top but better to do more and didn't have to than not do enough.
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That number you mention from the NHS is silly but the actual number from ONS in the UK is good because it comes from death certificates.
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From memory you come after health workers in the UK who are after the elderly, so I would think months away, however doing the one dose first to as many as possible might make it sooner than expected. I wish you luck and stay as safe as you can until your time comes.
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You've got to be kidding, how do you think the Allies won WWI? Ok at that time some allies were Communist but I would suggest that the UK etc. were not communist. I don't consider my country Australia to be communist and take offence to your assertion that to contain covid 19 we must be communist and same goes for our Kiwi friends across the ditch.
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Go easy on him, he is only the messenger. If John was the guy in charge maybe the UK could look like Australia but he isn't.
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Your maths is correct but knowing the real number who have been infected is a bit of a guessing game in the US. I think double counts from one person testing positive more than once and dodgy antibody tests pump the numbers up and lack of tests relative to case numbers at certain times and places push them down. I am not American but I certainly trust the Chinese case numbers to be far more accurate, any country that gets to low case numbers the above difficulties are greatly reduced.
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Everywhere outside of UK always called it the UK variant or strain. Australia it's the UK strain, locked down in Brisbane as a precaution for 3 days because a quarantine hotel worker got it and may have given it to others but so far seems not so lockdown end later today probably.
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I'll ask a question back to you, do you think everyone in countries with emergency authorisation of vaccines understands the reasons and risks and why it's emergency use only, AKA informed consent in the context you used it? If the participants in Iran are aware it's a trial and it's not forced like any country can do with military personnel for example then what do you think, my guess is it's likely a combination of government employees who must get it and voluntary.
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I disagree because your CDC has proven itself to be useless at anything other than data collection. Total and absolute failure with the initial response and it only got worse after the message came from on top I suspect but maybe not to keep taking short cuts or creating short cuts no matter the evidence before them.
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Yes it is in production. I agree with the Australia New Zealand TGA not giving out emergency use because there is no emergency in either country. Also from a pragmatic point of view if a serious outbreak did occur in one state or New Zealand best to lock that state off as usual and vaccinate them first. Having 1% of everyone vaccinated now would achieve nothing and no data on the efficacy after 6 months, maybe a complete waste of time.
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I think the problem might be at least in many states with overwhelmed ICUs they can't vaccinate at any high rate because nowhere to treat the people who get allergic reactions. When systems collapse they collapse completely because of a domino effect.
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@harbselectronicslab3551 have you considered what emergency use means, it means we believe that the vaccine will save lives overall in the current situation or to put it a different way it might kill one in 50,000 people or leave them with permanent injuries or something but if we do nothing one in 1,000 will die from the virus. Would you be willing be the person should the 1 in 50,000 death or permanent injury eventuates to tell the families why the short cut was taken? On current settings which will largely remain until at least August or so regardless of when it is decided and assuming such a decision is made to mass vaccinate we can estimate approximately 0 deaths will occur. The population in our main area of concern Australasia is about 36,000,000 or so and currently I would speculate we might have 5,000,000 doses including I believe NZ is manufacturing some also. That number of doses won't change anything on a mass scale to possibly open up more. Some reports have come out about allergic reactions and unexpected deaths soon after receiving some of the vaccines, maybe it's nothing but I certainly would prefer we know first rather than rushing in. The US and UK and most of Europe emergency use does make sense so I am not criticising their authorities and believe it's appropriate in their circumstances.
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@harbselectronicslab3551 Well I respect your personal opinion and if you wanted to take it knowing the risks are basically that of a phase 3 trial participant I sort of think that is ok however it's not how things work and unless you are 75 or older or a medical worker , including all workers at hospitals and nursing homes you won't be getting the vaccine any time soon even if it was approved for emergency use tomorrow. You might also find such approval would require an act of parliament because it would be over ruling the advice from the TGA and Chief medical officer who might be able to make a decision unilaterally. I would think even if just for diplomatic reasons you would need agreement with New Zealand. Just hang in there , there is no evidence that Australia will have any substantial outbreak with all governments now highly proactive.
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Are you serious about the 10 days thing? In Australia the standard is something like interviews with 90% of positive test cases within 24 hours and all within 48 hours. 10 days in the city of London is pointless because if people can infect after about 2 days , that's potentially 5 steps and you would end up with potentially 1,000s of people that might have been exposed. Some states in Australia have had problems with getting test results quickly though recently because of some ramp up of testing in some states that weren't prepared and taking up to 3 days which has to be added to the contact tracing time.
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@oliverfirst7040 I only looked it up a few months ago so can't remember details but at least both organisations do give details of how data is collected. Also not 100% sure the 28 days one is NHS but that's what I recall. Search ONS UK covid deaths and you should get to many of their webpages on the issue in the search results which should be helpful.
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You make me laugh, although a sad situation , the only references I get from media or here is that it's a hard lockdown but sounds like the hard 3 days lockdown in Brisbane , my city is much tougher when ignoring the length. I came back from a trip yesterday and very few people on the streets and 100% of the people I saw wearing masks even though it's the first time we have been required to do so. The compliance level anywhere in Australia now is really good which means no need for significant enforcement for any lockdown. It's the results that count, eg. high resistance to restrictions in places that have seen no success.
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Well is stupidity a comorbidity? It's government responses that have had the largest impact , good or bad. To this day the 3 interconnected powers that be value short term limited freedoms of some above deaths and significant freedoms for all, the 3 are wealthy European countries and US and the WHO who is supplied in majority by scientists and doctors from the nations of the first 2 mentioned, an uncanny consistency in policy. The tyrant states full of sheep like Australia and other countries in my region seem to think limiting the travel of rich people and quarantine is important, lock up only those it's necessary to do so to stop spread etc. not lock down lite for the squalid masses and small businesses and freedoms for the well to do.
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Japan has done reasonably well with mitigation measures so low case rate compared to many at this point and they are skinnier than some African countries with obesity rate at 4.5% compared to about 36% in the US which is the worst for a big country.
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