Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "Vaccine mandates" video.

  1. Yes it's very true, the 2 cities greater area of Melbourne and Sydney Australia are both 5 million or more so extremely difficult to contain an outbreak of Delta as we can see now. It doesn't really matter how much desert and broadacre farmland a country might have, virtually nobody lives there. The wealth of a country matters when calculating density though, slums in a low income country are completely different to say Sydney or Melbourne where the living space per person will be a multiple of a poor slum area in another country. There are so many factors to consider and if you adjusted Sweden's per capita deaths from COVID-19 to the US using underlying health of the population and obesity as the indicator you might find the deaths in Sweden are worse than the US because adult obesity rate in Sweden is about 20% so very low for a wealthy nation and the US it's around 35%.
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  2.  @cinderelladevil1687  There are lockdowns and then there are lockdown lites. Don't confuse the 2, lockdowns work , lockdown lite does little. Pick any country in Western Pacific WHO region and compare the deaths per Capita to virtually all European countries that didn't have a single lockdown only lockdown lite, Spain is still lockdown lite just a different version to Sweden. The outliers do overlap so Norway's deaths per Capita would be similar to the Philippines but if you compare Norway to a country that's demographically similar say New Zealand you get to see the difference. If you can travel freely without quarantine , only a voluntary scheme , then you by definition aren't locked down.
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  3.  @gottagowork  Japanese are a skinny bunch, so while you are correct their measures 10 times better than the US , they could not have had the high death rates of a fat country like the US. Adult Obesity rate Japan about 4% , US about 35%. Having said that Japan would still have deaths over 1,000 per million if they took the US path because along with low obesity a population tends to live longer. I am Australian and we are a bit unusual , a top 10 life expectancy but obesity rate of about 30% . We seem to break the rules.
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  4.  @squimped  Yes culture I think actually plays a far bigger role than is realized. If you just consider how people great each other the differences are quite large, Southern European often do that cheek kissing stuff, I am Australian so handshake is the norm and in Thailand they do a bow with hands together in the way people often pray so no need to even be close to each other. People are creatures of habit so even the authorities in Southern Europe would have said stop doing that not everyone would stop.
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  5.  @cinderelladevil1687  I didn't say right now, are you saying Spain never had lockdown lite? Your original comment even seems to contradict this. Maybe you misunderstood my comment. Your country is extremely highly vaccinated compared to many so congratulations on that.
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  6.  @cinderelladevil1687  Ok here's what lockdown numbers look like, Queensland Australia , population 5 million, 7 deaths from Covid 19 so far , had hard lockdown maybe 14 weeks since beginning of pandemic, rest of the time open except for travel which is heavily restricted and need to go through hotel quarantine if coming from an area of cases within Australia and anywhere from overseas. Our fully vaccinated rate is only 30%(Australian number my state is lower) or so of total population so we can't open up at this stage, Spain's fully vaccinated rate is over 70%. If 7 deaths for a population of 5 million is a failure then nothing will convince you. Of course when open up probably early next year sometime the deaths of course will go up significantly but still be way lower on a per capita basis than countries that only ever had lockdown lite. We can't change the past but had the entire world locked down the virus would most likely be gone and we wouldn't have Delta variant which is so problematic. My personal opinion is lockdown lite is bad , lockdown proper is good if done successfully because it's far shorter in duration.
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  7.  @cinderelladevil1687  If you mean May 2021 I understand but if you mean May 2020 then why did your economy plummet by 11% in 2020 and a government deficit of about 11%. I realise it's not fair to compare Australia to Spain in some respects however the Australian economy dropped only 1.1% in 2020 and a government deficit of about 7.5%. Australia will be slower to open up and our economic growth , lack there of will be greater than Spain this year I expect but nothing we can do about it , our vaccination rate won't equal yours until the end of the year or maybe early next year. Queensland can't open it's border to infected people it would be a disaster and we are all open now anyway except for travel and yes effects inbound tourism and this is where Australia differs a lot we are an importer of tourism as in Australian spend more overseas normally than our inbound tourists so the closed border at the country level at least assisted in increasing our trade surplus. Obviously we are opposite season so things even in the states that have covid 19 in them should continue to improve as vaccinations go up and the weather keeps getting warmer. We are yet to see what happens this winter in Europe and Spain should be ok actually because not a very cold place and high vaccination rates. The US isn't looking great though because they are slow to get vaccination rates up. You're convinced Spain did a great job and Sweden even better, I don't agree, better than the US certainly but still not great. In Australia's case I think most states have done an excellent job with a couple that have done an ok job but still kept loss of life low. Your point that Spain has an older population is neither here nor there, deaths per million from covid 19 in Australia is 41 and Spain 1800 , clearly these numbers can't be accounted for by the older population. In the end if you are happy with your government then great but allow others to also be happy with there's without disregarding that person just because you don't agree. My government hasn't lied to me , the deaths show this and other effects are no greater than in lockdown lite countries and economic impact on average has been less in countries that have lockdowns including border quarantine versus lockdown lite. As far as the current situation yes Spain seems ok but not every country can be in that position and culturally as you can see with the US vaccine hesitancy they will continue to have significant problems. Anyway wish you the best.
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  8.  @cinderelladevil1687  I know opening up will be very difficult for the states that currently have no cases and assuming we keep this status until vaccination rates high. It's hard to know how things will go and I know we watching the UK closely because using a similar vaccine mix of Astrazeneca and Pfizer and fairly highly vaccinated already. Also culturally fairly similar in some respects although weather and living conditions are quite different.
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