Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "Pandemic, Sunday Updates and Reflections" video.

You need farmers first, that red stuff called beef comes from an animal believe it or not. Actually abattoirs are the highest risk in the food chain , so abattoir and processed food factory workers should be added to your list and maybe farmers even though their risk is low.
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@alisonhoyte7608 So that along with evidence in NZ of slightly reduced suicides and evidence in Australia of the regular flu dropping substantially , means countries who contain the virus are likely increasing life expectancy at the moment, especially if there is actual statistically significant drop in infant mortality. I think they don't want to emphasize the point though because those who would still prefer the mitigation policies of Europe and US use this as an argument . It amazes me that I think although not many is still a significant number. I was chatting on one of these forums to someone I discovered was from NSW and he or she seemed to be a fan of the Swedish model, funny thing is other than border restrictions there is slightly less restrictions in NSW than Sweden or at worst maybe the same. Some people always think the grass is greener elsewhere no matter what.
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@TebTengri I am Australian so if I didn't follow things I the US I wouldn't know. The term i most recently heard to apply to all southern states (I think) is sunbelt states. Is that usual or was it just the reporter or is it technically a little different again?
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That's no good, Victoria Australia , New Zealand, Vietnam and South Korea , Thailand, Malaysia all having problems again. It seems it's really difficult to keep a really high vigilance level. Oh well we can hold on to Taiwan. I think the countries I mentioned though will all contain it again. Every country has gone beyond the point of no return. I think it's impossible for any country to change from a containment model to a mitigation model or visa versa. How would the population react in a containment country if we just gave up and decided all the actions to date were a complete waste of time , let's let it spread like the US or Europe.
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@alisonhoyte7608 I wonder why the food poisoning thing. Maybe everyone's eating canned food and pasta. Or maybe people are just paying more attention to hygiene in general. That's an interesting one.
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Because he was using a geographical term as in a state in the south not a political term as in a previous Confederate state.
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Course they have lol. It's only about if you get caught or not. Governments and large corporations all do it. But if you are a corporation and get caught can be big problems.
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@tonypacke6954 according to Wikipedia 36% of US Adults are obese. I am in Australia we are about 30%, surprisingly England is not too bad at 28%, Sweden however is only about 20%, so the per capita toll in the US will catch Sweden soon enough I expect.
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Brit Mk 2 No, British people are just humans, if the government has a relaxed mitigation strategy why would the public take any notice. If they don't care ,why should I? To this day your government allows people to enter the country and go into what is effectively voluntary quarantine and if your quarantine site is in an English household the people you are potentially infecting are not required to quarantine. Look up your governments policy, it's a super relaxed approach of mitigation. It's much more difficult to cross state borders in Australia than it is national borders in Europe. Although unlikely a Victorian Australian can travel to England and undergo the quarantine procedures as I partially outlined by one example. If the Victorian was to travel to Queensland , 14 days mandatory government hotel quarantine with 2 tests to be done during your stay. You will be required to contribute costs for your stay which will be more expensive for one person $2,800 AUD than the £1,000 penalty if you get caught breaking the extremely relaxed quarantine procedures in England. If you refuse to be tested an extra 10 days in quarantine and I suspect more costly. Just a few days ago one person was sentenced to 2 months gaol because they broke the government orders in April on one day by throwing a party and got a $1,600 fine I think it was and then the next day did it again hence the prison sentence. The government is a function or representative of the people and visa versa. Going to school in Queensland hasn't been considered an issue recently, they will just shut an entire school down if it is found a person who tested positive has been there and everyone gets tested and reopen in once people have got the all clear, probably a week or 2 but I'm not sure. I wish you the best of luck and think you should just keep yourself family and friends as safe as you can, your government isn't going to protect you, they only care about hospitals overflowing in my opinion.
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@sailaway8244 of course you can stop them, a country with nuclear weapons can't guard the border? you chose not to. Yes look at NZ a minor hiccup. It's true can't completely eliminate the virus from entering from outside without heavier restrictions than the North Korean borders, but you can get cases to 0 and be alert to any new outbreak. Nothing is perfect but it saves lives and contrary to what's being said out there seems to reduce suicides (suicides are slightly down in NZ) whereas mitigation with continuos deaths and rolling lockdowns seems to increase suicides , I saw a media report suggesting that occurred in New York but can't remember details.
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@sailaway8244 I am not sure what you mean and which model , mitigation or containment model. Containment model the countries and states are more open with less lockdowns but border restrictions. Mitigation countries and states have continuous ongoing internal restrictions and in effect an open border policy. It's true if an effect vaccine doesn't arrive there might be a segregated world for a while based on which model a country chooses to operate under. No country is going to change course at this point in time in my opinion, mitigation countries will remain mitigation countries and containment countries will likewise.
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@sailaway8244 You have to realise that out of Australia and NZ there only 2 places with much tougher restrictions than the go to standard Sweden other than travel restrictions, that is Melbourne and Auckland, Aucklands current tougher measures will probably be down graded along with the rest of NZ in a week or 2. Melbourne has fairly tough restrictions at the moment and the rest of Victoria a little less, I think it could be another month or so for Victoria because many cases. It's only 1 jurisdiction but NZ has seen a small decrease in suicides, Australia it has apparently remained flat. If the great depression is anything to go by the by product of the economic downturn is likely to be increased life expectancy. I saw from a commenter but not official that hospitals in NZ are having less cases of food poisoning. In Australia the number of flu cases has dropped dramatically . You must factor in human behaviour which people are not doing and just applying a negative attitude to everything. Having parents stay home with kids has of course helped many families and brought them closer together and it has been said but only anecdotally that child abuse might have increased but actually no evidence at this point in time, only that it's a concern it might happen. So should that be looked into and monitored of course but don't jump the gun and just assume suicides and violence are going to increase. In uncertain times I would think people reduce risky behaviour but that's just my thought, all I have to go off is the years when the economy declined in the US during the great depression life expectancy rose. So I can't see why relatively short term economic decline in it of itself causes any long term harm overall. I don't think we are likely to agree, I think 10,000 dead Australians is a price too high and as far as ok protect them , nowhere other than Singapore has succeeded at this and pretty sure Australia and NZ we couldn't, our societies are not as compliant.
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