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Dr. John Campbell
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Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "Israel special report" video.
Not mandatory but more restrictions if the "green passport" idea takes off.
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 @NibbleIT Not in the tropics, seasonality makes little difference over time. Brazil is in the tropics and hasn't done well. Israel itself hasn't done well, they are just doing well at distribution of emergency approved vaccines.
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My girlfriend is there and very concerning because no travel restrictions in reality, so now like California close bars and restaurants in one province and people will just drive to next province. On paper there is travel restrictions but no enforcement, she travels each day for work via train from a restricted province but no checks anywhere. I am very concerned for that country which was like Australia virus free until about mid December I think. Search New Years Eve party Chiang Mai, it looks like a scene from Florida or something and apparently it was a spreading event. I hope they get it under control but not looking good if no further enforced restrictions I think.
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Nobody will be using any such thing for entry into Australia unless New Zealand possibly where no virus anyway. To let people coming from virus rampant countries with one test and no quarantine would be madness. One test only indicates not having significant viral load at one point in time , it doesn't tell if the person got infected yesterday for example or infected in the window of being tested and getting on the plane. 14 days mandatory enforced quarantine with tests on days 3 and 10 is the only proven quarantine method that works.
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But they haven't. If they have a world class response they wouldn't have a virus out of control needing to use emergency approval for vaccines.
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I would like from Thailand because they are at a tipping point and looking like will lose control with current outbreak. My girlfriend in Thailand so personal interest also.
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I would say Australian but slightly modified by Israeli accent I guess.
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It's cheaper to just give the vaccine out than a laboratory confirmed antibody test I would think.
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Because according to one video John said a study has worked out getting the flu and covid 19 together more than doubles your chance of dying compared to covid 19 alone.
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Australia is that model where the states run the show, the federal government can only in practice look after the international border. Close your state border to all states and territories with a case of community transmission in the last 28days ( all of them) , special arrangements for workers ,goods transport , medical care etc. other wise 14 days mandatory enforced hotel quarantine with 2 tests on days 3 and 10 at the cost of the person/s entering other than compassionate reasons. Refuse to be tested add 10 days to quarantine and costs. This method works and it is within your states right to do it. I have just spelt out the basic rules in general terms of Queensland Australia, about 500 cases of community transmission and 7 deaths I think from a population of approximately 5,000,000. The reward for this method is your state can be completely open internally when you get rid of the virus. Should take about 12 weeks for most states with an initial proper lockdown because immunity rates from catching the virus plus vaccines is much higher everywhere than Victoria Australia was and they could do it after reaching 500 cases per day. If any strain evades the vaccines you will be back to January 21 last year, also having this virus rampant doesn't preclude another such zoonotic virus entering the world which some say is about 1% chance as in once in a hundred year thing.
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It's not an emergency here so giving emergency approval doesn't make sense and we don't know how long these vaccines will work anyway. Even when vaccines start being distributed I can't see the 14 day quarantine disappearing quickly.
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I think the concept can only really work if cases are extremely low. So likely to occur between Australia and New Zealand and work but I wouldn't want people from the US or UK coming in without quarantine and the tests on day 3 and 10 as is required. Virus rampant countries can use the concept like you suggest because better than the voluntary quarantine in the US for example but won't stop all cases.
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Israel is exception , the US and UK aren't any better off for now. Hopefully when the time comes the rollout will go well.
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Still alive and well in Australia, in countries where the virus is rampant it's every man woman and child for themselves.
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I am 100% against emergency approval with no emergency. Emergency approval means partially tested for shorter than usual times.
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