Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "Pandemic, 7th October" video.

@mav1733 You don't believe Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea? Don't know where you are from but the most misleading behaviour is in the USA.
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Hang in there and look overseas, Melbourne looks much better than London at the moment. I understand you are angry but there is light at the end of the tunnel and the problems appear to have been fixed with a very low death toll by international , not Western Pacific standards. You are right about the contact tracing which was a much bigger issue actually because other states and New Zealand had outbreaks from quarantine breaches even if the actual breach is unknown without the problems of Victoria. It should be over in a few weeks and you can go back to less restrictions than Sweden soon after that I expect. The point John made is about getting back in control has been done well and it has.
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@deborahhebblethwaite1865 when you reach 0 cases it makes no difference if your population is 1 million or 1 billion, how quickly a quarantine breach or an infection from an unknown source is identified and how quickly containment actions occur , that's all that matters in any urban area.
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Without complimentary efforts closing the borders would have achieved nothing. The virus was already in all major countries on the planet at the time of the Wuhan lockdown. The countries who succeeded all had detected more cases than USA on February 20, that's the approximate crossover date when the US started to overtake other countries case numbers. Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and Thailand officially had the largest case loads with 15 or more cases and the US only 15 cases. There is a direct correlation with a small number of countries carrying out all required measures and other countries carrying out one measure partially, eg UK and US still haven't had a lock down by successful country standards to this day with borders still open and no supervised quarantine. It only takes one case, about 15,000 cases in Australia came from a single quarantine breach in Victoria and they know this from dna testing the strain. The main failure was not the quarantine breach because it's happened in Queensland , New South Wales and New Zealand also, the failure was to detect the breach contact tracing and acting very quickly. So quarantine at the border would be useless without proper lockdowns and internal travel restrictions with a massive contact tracing and testing effort by the end of February. Some countries were not particularly aggressive with all these measures officially but if you look at compliance levels of voluntary measures you will find they are much higher in some non Western countries so not as much enforcement required.
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Well you would advocate 15,000 dead Australians so that a few protestors don't get hurt feelings along with other issues associated with lockdown lite which are just as harmful as a proper lockdown?
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Not a big problem. If most Australian states Thailand , South Korea and New Zealand can gain control quickly each time with restrictions over relatively short periods then Victoria can too after this experience. The biggest thing is the time in identifying the first case and acting fast. I watched Dan Andrews maybe a week or 2 ago and they had contact tracing interviews occurring within 4 hours of a known positive case 80% of the time. Previously an entire abattoir was infected after a person was tested positive and it took a month to look at his workplace. Victoria has gone from continuous failures to probably being as good as any other jurisdiction.
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The unemployment rate in other states about the same, have to see after all handouts are gone which will be a while. Business failures in countries like Sweden also occured. No country or jurisdiction outside of possibly North Korea has been spared.
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Jp111 yes they will the New Zealanders with no quarantine. The same applies everywhere actually, where the virus is rampant people aren't exactly having high consumer confidence. Thailand I think is the worst affected country because of tourism previously being a significant part of the economy. It's hard to annalise the economic effects anywhere at the moment because every government on the planet is running up debt.
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If no vaccine Sweden will be continuously in lockdown lite model much stricter lockdown than in all states and NZ except for Victoria. Sweden has that as their stated plan unless they have changed position and all indications are they are nowhere near herd immunity. Sweden does have an open border versus severe border restrictions here.
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@johnsonpaul1914 Sweden can't have a sports event with 30,000 people and senior students needed to study from home. The restrictions in restaurants or bars same to most jurisdictions around the world. Nursing homes were in full lockdown for months which did reduce deaths. Sweden has improved with contact tracing and testing I think which has improved things. The unseen issues are the extra costs and precautions required so infections don't get into hospitals. What Sweden does is up to them and maybe appropriate and if you are somewhere that has done even worse it might look attractive, to people in jurisdictions with no cases it doesn't.
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Have to wait a week, he could become gravely ill, but he can hide it longer in the Whitehouse. I saw a news segment talking of past president's in your country and covering up the health condition of them was almost standard with one being honest and about 4 covering it up. Knowing Trump I think he will be the average (which is to cover up) if things start to go bad.
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