Comments by "annoyed aussie" (@annoyedaussie3942) on "Coronavirus update: One million deaths and counting | COVID-19 Special" video.

The problem is if infection rates are high hospitals can't function properly and can actually become an area the virus spreads killing the already sick. Applies to lots of other issues also. Containment is best however , next best is probably something like Sweden however that might not work in a big country because of lower compliance with rules and completely free travel. People in the US are literally making the virus spread more quickly people holiday in low restriction states and bring the virus back to their own states because no travel restrictions. The US is almost a perfect model of how to ensure the virus continues to spread with lockdowns that can't achieve much because of no travel restrictions. A biological war protagonists dream.
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Such mismanagement that a few cases a day versus the exceptional management from Europe and USA. Not many cases left China and in the history of mankind no respiratory virus has been kept inside a country's border.
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Reopening at all has the same effect. If suppression measures are less than the rate of spread it doesn't stop simple as that. This doesn't mean you need 0 cases but you need contact tracing and testing capacity that numbers go down. Because of opening failure number 1 in Victoria Australia they are being far more cautious this time because can only go 2 ways when you realise full lockdown 3 can't be an option. Either they cut off from the rest of Australia until a vaccine if they fail or they join most other states with currently no cases eventually if they successful.
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No because of modern medicine. Many who died from the Spanish flu had problems like bacterial pneumonia and no antibiotics back then. Life expectancy was also only around 40. If we were to put the current virus in an 1918 setting I think the death toll would be very similar and the spread much slower because by boat not plane and slower land transportation also.
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@Teringventje You hit the nail on the head but you describe it not as a choice when it is. Every successful country Taiwan , South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Australia , New Zealand has 2 weeks quarantine that is enforced and mostly hotel quarantine. All these countries had relatively free travel prior and could have taken the approach of the majority of European countries of borders open and no compulsory quarantine. This is a choice no country is required to let potentially infectious people in without quarantine. A couple of the countries I mentioned are struggling now so because of human behaviour might fail including not entirely secure borders like in the cases of Thailand and Malaysia. But wealthy countries can much more easily secure their borders for the most part.
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@krolrey1909 The ease at which a border can be secured is an issue and Taiwan might as well be Australia in comparison to China because the virus travels on hosts on airplanes, it doesn't swim in the ocean to get there. However the point is largely mute because most of Europe and all US states chose to keep borders open without compulsory quarantine which is a choice.
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@Teringventje one issue that has never been brought up is the countries of the West Pacific take quarantine seriously in general terms because of SARS1 devastating the tourism in our region and agricultural or food quarantine has always been taken seriously especially by Japan. I believe a culture has developed in my region on this issue. I am in Australia so it's nothing about being "Asian".
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@Teringventje Australia and New Zealand have exactly the same "forced quarantine" as you put it, nobody likes it but it's the only way to get to 0 cases and has near full support in Australia and New Zealand. If we failed however it would be different, if you look at the premier of Victoria he is really being beaten up politically for a quarantine failure and other failures in his state leading to about 85% of the deaths in Australia and a second very hard lockdown, for a state with 25% of the population. Victorians can't travel to any other state without hotel quarantine except for some border zones. It looks like success but still getting around 10 cases a day so still in significant lockdown , because they must succeed.
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@Teringventje It's an either or issue and nowhere started with compulsory hotel quarantine, but we all realised it was required. So if you don't do it then you can never get rid of the virus so continuous higher internal restrictions. If you were to ask most countries now would they prefer to be in the West Pacific situation I think you would get an overwhelming yes. Everyone keeps saying the lower internal restrictions would be better but you need increased border restrictions for that to happen. At this point in time those countries free or near free of the virus certainly won't change unless it's a capability issue and visa versa. If every rich country did what the West Pacific countries did we would have no virus in any rich country right now and could stop it spreading in the poor countries most likely. That's a Utopian view if every rich country succeeded which we do know was technically possible.
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@Teringventje it's only for people entering the country, best of luck where ever you are. I personally would argue locking down an entire population like London or New York is far more mentally damaging along with all the deaths than a few people entering being inconvenienced.
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You're not making any sense because most likely 1,000 or maybe 2,000 cases got out as we can see from the internal Chinese numbers. The lockdown of Wuhan was not like anywhere else on the planet. The rest of China also locked down similar to other countries to get rid of the virus that had already spread outside of the Wuhan area. They succeeded. Look to other countries that are not China because you clearly don't trust them and you can see it can be done if it doesn't get completely out of hand. Travel restrictions and quarantine remaining in place for international travel.
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@qjtvaddict what you say is the sad facts, if the Indian government had what the US has and the general wealth and living conditions were the same India along with other countries in the same situation wouldn't have the virus.
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