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@laureebee5226 well there's a lot of Apples in our part of the world, the West Pacific. Australia , my country, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia and New Zealand. Call us the apple countries if you want , Western Europe , US and other Americas countries are the Oranges.
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You are wrong, for almost all people who support Trump it's true. There is an excuse for every number. The US tests more, our numbers are not rising ( for a week or 2 now), Other countries don't count the dead people, every car accident in the US is labeled as a covid death, other less well off countries are incapable of testing, the tests don't work that's why our positivity rate is high and others low, Other countries all have an easier time containing it because they are small and compact or more spread out, the cases are skyrocketing in Japan and Australia (sky rocketing to the point they might see a death toll per capita like that of Hawaii if triple the numbers of deaths, actually somewhat likely. Hawaii and Alaska actually haven't done that bad so far, distance from the mainland is helpful I think), the main stream media, China, WHO are all lying. I think my list isn't even exhaustive yet, I am sure I missed a few other theories, so the US is doing great.
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@mjor6406 What are you talking about, I did a quick search , in 2018 5% of the healthcare budget went to research so the remainder is still more than Australia per Capita. Australia has 125,000,000 vaccine doses on order so if they all work out then approximately 80,000,000 doses will be donated, those US companies getting money from everywhere. We are producing 50 million doses of the AZ vaccine but it's recommended only for 40 plus age group, younger to get Pfizer but can request AZ, a bit messy actually however many doses of the AZ are already being exported. Canada will export (not receive ) most of it's ordered doses also and donate them . The US was useless when it counted , all that skill but completely disfunctional, 500 covid 19 tests by the end of February 2020 which compares to 100,000 in South Korea and in second place on a per capita basis Australia with 10,000 tests. The population of the US is 13 times that of Australia so of course no other country comes close in gross numbers regarding research achievements. You might however have heard of something called Wi Fi or Cochlear ear implants or discoveries regarding stomach ulcers or the cervical cancer vaccine first developed in Australia or go way back you might have heard of penicillin developed jointly in Australia and England. We actually did develop 2 covid 19 vaccines, one of which up to phase 2 looked good however it gave false positives to HIV tests so it was decided not to continue due to time it would take to start again using a different protein that would remove that problem. CSL might not be the biggest pharmaceutical and blood products company in the world however they have a market cap of $133 billion AUD so not too bad. I don't know about Canada but Australia at least, punches at a similar level for our size to the US.
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@bicanoo_magic3452 Your first comment gives us Aussies a bad name. Your second comment you are correct in some of your statement, but completely wrong about CDC US and WHO, we never had enough cases until recently to have data on the issue, we rely 100% on their information. Australia and US did exactly the same things at the same time til mid March. We got serious closing state borders and all international borders with compulsory quarantine. The US now still haven't done any of that. Interestingly Canada is now where we are because of Victoria's failures. Canada started bad but not as bad as US but now same to Australia. Without border closures internally we might be in the same situation as US because of Victoria. The actions in the US in the beginning were complete failures when towards the end of February the US had discovered the same number of cases as Australia, clearly they were totally inept at that point because they certainly had more cases than Australia. Please compare Australia with Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand and NZ, we all successful so far but not without problems in Australia, Japan and South Korea.
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I ask you a question how many US citizens caught covid 19 in hospital which caused their deaths, we know it happened to 1,600 healthcare workers and we also know such events have been documented in Australia , Taiwan, Germany and UK. It's an impossibility it hasn't occured inside the US , yet not a single report of it. Is that a cover-up or is it ok because these matters have never been investigated inside of the US, just count the nursing home deaths yet nothing is done, hopefully many get vaccines now but my suspicion is in many states maybe not. Trump did the biggest cover up by telling his followers it was harmless and doing something about it is a Democrat hoax. Bad as the local Wuhan government was , they are a local government not the leader of a superpower and they got sacked, pretty sure they are not popular, Trump maintains a high level of popularity.
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chocolate milk You seem to refuse to look at evidence, the US , UK , Spain and France and other European countries have tried what you say. They have hospitals overflowing and restrictions in place often referred to as lockdown, In Australia and New Zealand plus East Asia and many ASEAN countries everything is open deaths are low , hospitals are functioning normally and people are not dying from secondary causes related to the restrictions and healthcare situation. You are literally advocating the deaths of millions of people in my region given the more than 2,000,000,000 population. So it's not going to happen we will not be following the US lead in this matter. You can say that we should kill members of our population ok that's your opinion not shared by the vast majority, who are ok with 14 days enforced quarantine at the border for people entering, which is the only restriction of great significance.
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@jeffwolff1015 I don't think you actually disagree with me however you are singling out one measure as not effective. Without border quarantine or travel restrictions by definition you are not locked down. The US never had travel restrictions and no border quarantine either interstate or international other than voluntary. You do recognize that the US lockdown failed and I agree because contact tracing etc. outside of a few states still hasn't occured. Australia s initial path was that of the US but we diverged significantly as you can see. Our technical capability in the beginning was equal to that of the US. Even though our federal government didn't like it all state borders shut except one. Lockdowns are proportional so if numbers are low enough no need for a hard lockdown, if cases are brought to 0 very quickly like Taiwan, no need for lockdown anymore, they did do a lockdown however closing bars, restaurants take out only and mask wearing. Taiwan had the advantage versus let's say my state Queensland because far fewer incoming cases which might surprise you. So a state of 5,000,000 has had twice as many documented imported cases than Taiwan a population of 25,000,000 so better resourced to deal with the matter. I don't know what the best path might be for the US at this point in time, 300,000 excess deaths already including directly from covid 19 and from secondary effects. The US will not do a hard lockdown and so far looking like no state or Puerto Rico are going to put in travel restrictions with enforced quarantine. New York is apparently going to rely on testing for air arrivals to reduce the incoming cases I guess and maybe that's the best way to go because I don't think any state wants to go covid 19 free. Anyway best of luck , I feel for you and I am happy to be in a covid 19 free state that had maybe 8 weeks hard lockdown in the beginning and fairly low restrictions since other than interstate travel which hopefully comes off in a month or so if all states covid 19 free.
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Don Nwzad using the common meaning of third world country, maybe you are speaking the the US, let's compare side by side.
Life expectancy, US 78 , Australia 83
Government spending on healthcare US 11% Australia 9%
Median adult wealth US $65,000 USD, Australia $180,000 USD (2019 number from credit Suisse)
Homicide rate US 5 per 100,000 Australia 1 per 100,000
Suicide rate US 14 per 100,000 Australia 10 per 100,000 (2019 from memory)
Minimum wage US $7.25 per hour , Australia $15.36 USD per hour.
Australia isn't perfect however it would appear key measures are far in excess of the US for equality and treatment of each other and by the way we are less socialist, check Economic Freedom Index for yourself and see where US and Australia rates.
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@Dick_Interritus As far as how tax money is spent, it's a case by case basis, so for public healthcare it's far better spent than in the US but from the extremely little I know South Korea and Japan do better than Australia with this. Does the Australian or Queensland government waste money and make big mistakes on occasion, of course , every government does anywhere in the world, it's a matter of how bad and more importantly do they learn from the mistakes and try not to do it again and on average Australia and my state of Queensland is performing pretty well. I am actually taking a one man fight to both my state and federal government's at the moment regarding strata title properties, yes we are as bad possibly worse than many US states, don't know what happened with it but that apartment tower collapse in Florida could happen here and nobody can legally be held responsible. My background is listed investments in 3 countries Australia of course, Malaysia and Thailand, these listed investments are all regulated to a high standard, strata title properties there's no rules at all in my state, gain power you can do whatever you want, no possibility of being sacked or banned for unlawful behaviour because no provision for that. By unlawful behaviour I am referring to listed company standards because of course nothing is unlawful in the QLD strata title industry.
You know you threw me a curved ball, I expected to be fighting you but you didn't fight , you actually discuss things in a normal manner. I know comment sections are dominated by those with strong right or left opinions who tend to be highly aggressive, in some ways I want what cannot be, a lot more people making comments who are somewhere in the centre. One thing about you which tells me you are really a genuine person is you saying my family benefits from some sort of agricultural handouts or subsidies or whatever but you don't think that's good. A hardline partisan never admits anything, that would be losing face.
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Matt Darrington Your words are very concerning, as in I am concerned for your personal well being, I did look up that person you mentioned and he is a nutter. He's one of these people who hate success, he literally seems to think we should just go down the infection path like the US and kill 30,000 people to protect protect freedoms. The Australian Prime Minister has an approval rating over 60% . My state government in Queensland Australia had a 70% plus approval rating for it's handling of covid 19 , 6 deaths in a population of 5,000,000 and about 450 cases of community transmission. Australia isn't going to listen to the guy you mentioned , he is just a fringe conspiracy theorist, however got enough support to start a political party which is 500 members in any state to register in that particular state. If Trump had behaved like the Australian Prime Minister and protected lives and not tried to protect corporations and the freedoms of the wealthy he would be the most popular president at least since Reagan but he chose a different path and that's on him. When nothing happens on January 20 don't harm yourself and seek help if needed. Having such a belief can be very harmful when it's proven to be untrue. The US public has demonstrated at this point in time with all the military on the streets and the majority seem completely ok with this, that they would have been capable of a success with covid 19 restrictions required just like Australia if the correct leadership was in place. Trump let the virus spread to every major state and territory without any actions to stop it other than warp speed vaccines which isn't going as well as expected. Best of luck and take care.
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History could suggest the US might have reached a current trajectory of continuous relative decline, both sides of US politics are digging a deeper hole for disfunctional government. Trump's economic boom was government debt funded and never last forever. Social stability in the US is by countries of a similar wealth non existent, homicide rate of 5 or more times per capita than Western European and Wealthy Western Pacific countries. While Biden might be ok in 4 years all the structural problems of the US will still exist so it certainly isn't a given, Americans have an extremely high tolerance for forgiving anything, just like people in a poor corrupt country who think no choice/hope. 4 years people will have forgotten about January 6 event, almost a given there will be riots with killings somewhere during Biden's term and or domestic terrorist attacks. I hope for your sake Trump doesn't come back and both political parties consider moving away from the current non free market capitalist approach and towards limited socialism for those in need and not corporations. Per capita you are a very wealthy country just above Australia on paper but it's poorly distributed due to socialism for the wealthy or in other words corporate subsidies for chosen ones. The median wealth of an adults according to Credit Suisse in 2019 and can be found on wikipedia was about $69,000 for US and $181,000 for Australia, quite a large difference. Also look at Australia versus US on the economic freedom index, which is a reasonable measure of how capitalist a country is , so don't blame capitalism, blame your type of socialism.
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For US cherry pickers and excuse makers please Choose any country you please in the West Pacific ( not US territory) any East Asian or ASEAN or Australasian country and see how successful you are, in fact why not just add them together, West Pacific 2,000,000,000 people and about 1,000,000 cases and less than 100,000 deaths, US population 330,000,000 , many millions of cases and 220,000 dead.
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@99dynasty It really depends where you are, I am in Brisbane, the third largest city and subtropical like Florida. We held onto Covid 0 until 13 December last year and now in our state of 5 million there's 20,000 cases a day or whatever, just like the US the real number will be much larger than recorded number. We had 10 weeks lockdown in 2020 at the beginning and 2 times 2 weeks lockdown in 2021, so here nothing really. Melbourne which is the second biggest and densest city which is about the same latitude but south versus north as New York had massive problems, in part because Victoria took a more relaxed approach to begin with and their contact tracing failed, they had apparently 200 days of genuine lockdown throughout the pandemic. The reason I mention the latitude is it definitely plays a role because the subtropical or tropical climates no big peak whereas the more temperate areas to cold areas all had massive infection peaks, look around the world where the hospitals overwhelmed. Overall though people well supported by government largess if in lockdown and majority including in Melbourne supported the actions. Our deaths are less than 10% of the US so far on a per capita basis and I would suggest that that will remain the case even though of course we getting a lot more deaths, my state has had 3 deaths since our opening, doesn't sound like many but we only had 7 prior to that and of course it's going to accelerate over the next few weeks.
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@montoyali You've been listening to Zhao Lijiang too much, the US doesn't force Australia to do anything. China fundamentally misunderstands Australia and is incapable at this point in time of understanding why we have the positions we do, they are used to dealing with poor and or corrupt nations which do to a large extent shut up and do as they are told. Australia is partly to blame too because we don't understand them but the person I mention above makes things impossible, he is doing damage to China's reputation around the world. Australia isn't the only country to effectively have trade sanctions but we have had the most and it's probably highest profile. Australia is an influence of calm in the region especially with Joe Biden at the helm in the US who will listen to Australia amongst others to a far higher degree than Trump who cares for no one. Consider Australian and New Zealand view towards Vietnam, we resumed diplomatic relations in 1975, the US took until 1995. Fundamentally nothing has changed and China choosing to bypass the entire region and say they only talk to the US is really damaging.
On the Covid 19 issue it was decided by region actually or a remarkable coincidence, the Western Pacific region of WHO has 4 countries extremely closely aligned on the matter, China including Taiwan, Vietnam , Australia and New Zealand. I don't know what discussions went on and by which countries but we all agreed to 14 days mandatory enforced quarantine usually in a hotel, PAHO Pan-American Health Organization region and European region of WHO all agreed to 10 days voluntary quarantine and we can see the results is less than 5% deaths per capita in the Western Pacific region of WHO compared to the other 2 regions I mentioned. So behind the scenes you might find even Australia and China in full cooperation on the matter of the response.
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@montoyali I don't know the details but when you say some Senator say something, well so what, they don't represent the government, you have just given an example of how China doesn't understand, we don't listen to our backbenchers why is China. I did look up who you were talking about because I was unaware of it. If a backbencher makes some remark it gets ignored but China thinks it's some big conspiracy. Backbencher is a politician with no position, just elected member nothing more than that. Of course out of 220 people who in total , so maybe 180 backbenchers there will be varying views on things and remarks said, nothing remarkable about that, however it might be remarkable in China if a backbencher was to criticise Xi for example. Even if you don't listen to Zhao directly, I don't either clearly indirectly the info comes through, people share things he posts in the hundreds of millions of users on the social media platforms in China.
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