Comments by "Bell UH1H Huey" (@belluh-1huey102) on "GDF"
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@SefirothPH Since you say devastation, probably in terms of city damage and not like casualties, then Russia is doing worse. There's millions of crater holes in the fields and cities in Ukraine, meanwhile in Iraq from 2003-2011 aka the period the U.S. was in Iraq, the cities were minorly damaged and mostly intact. If you go look at some Bakhmut before and after videos to Fallujah or Ramadi before and after videos, one looks more intact than the other. You cannot bring in Mosul 2017 as the U.S. was checked out of Iraq in 2011 and let the national armies fight ISIS over there. Now, for civilian casualties, according to Statistica, February 24, 2022 to June 4, 2023, 8983 civilians died in Ukraine, compared to around 12k civilians dying in Iraq. Yet here is the difference between Iraq and Ukraine, Iraq is suffering from sectarian violence which means many of the Iraqis dying in Iraq are because of Iraqis themselves. This sectarian conflict has been going on for a long time, long before the U.S. came into Iraq, yet the cities that saw the most fighting under American occupation didn't come close to the amount of damage seen in Ukraine. For one, some of the cities in Ukraine look unrecognizable from their prewar status, meanwhile Iraqi cities look very recognizable to their pre-war look. We have yet to see Russia go into the counter insurgency phase, which usually and always sees more civilian casualties and damage, making it a great accomplishment to see how few bombs and artillery shells the U.S. used in Iraq. OH WAIT, an estimate of 306,887 civilians killed, as said by the United Nations in the Syrian Civil War that lasted 5 years that saw heavy Russian intervention. Now according to the Iraq Body Count which documented civilian deaths from 2003 – 14 December 2011 estimated that 103,160–113,728 civilian deaths recorded. U.S. caused less casualties and infrastructure damage in their intervention that lasted 8 years than the Russian intervention that lasted 5.
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@Zeerak 141 the MRSC source developed when the U.S. was fighting both in Iraq and in Afghanistan mainly. Fun fact, the peak amount of troops was in 2008 with 166k, a very small invasion force. It's a wonder how the U.S. was able to invade and occupy this land, considering Russia was struggling a lot in Chechnya, starting 2 wars in a small time frame because the 1st one was a failure. If I took GDR's words at face value, the U.S. is fighting a heavily armed force with significantly fewer numbers than colonization occupation numbers. Combat died down in Iraq in 2008 as it marked the end of the Iraq Civil War. U.S. casualties from 2006 to 2008 during the Iraq Civil War declined heavily, the period where most troops died was from 2003 to 2005, yet the yearly suicide rate has a downward trend from 2005 to 2006 till the Iraqi Civil War happened which reached peak of around 6k in 2008. Only 314 soldiers died in 2008. Peak deathcount in Iraq was 2007, but on average, a lot of troops died in 2003 to 2005, yet the suicide rate went down till after 2006. Source: Statistica, also the source cites other sources. So, why did the suicide rate go down where, on average, a lot of troops were dying? Tours last a year, which leaves post deployment suicide a hard graph to corroborate.
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