Comments by "Game Hero" (@Game_Hero) on "The Aesthetic City"
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@gary Here comes the start of what these ways of thinking you mention start from with that "lunatics" bit : dehumanization. They have good reasons to feel ashamed those things went on to happen (there's only two centuries to chose from here, not that hyperbole "tons of them") by those who's descendants founded your country, it still happened on your land and pretending there is nothing shameful about it, denying it ever happened or lessening it is unamerican utter disrespect for the human victims of these moments and not taking responsability to honour their memory since its your turn in 2024 to do so, both of these things seems against all the values that your nation say they care about and is thus a negation of them. Not to forget it can still teach things today about when people chose to turn their right of others to humanity and functional empathy button "off", even in spite of their claimed ideals, calling today to be consistent in them. Pride is not a salad bar where you can chose what you want and ignore what you don't, you have the accept the whole baggage of what you chose to be proud of, and if it's blindly an entire country from A-Z, it's the whole of it and that's not something I'm sure you'd be comfortable with for good reasons (unless you're proud of the bad things of the past too, which seems not like you to do).
And here's the thing, just blaming a government for things civilians can do as well is nothing short of cowardice and not taking act of responsability for what happened in respect of the human victims, which happened also after the founding of your country. Who elected these governments, these officials? "Normal" people. Who constituted that army? "Normal" people. Who chose back then to do nothing about, even being opportunistic about it, even if they knew it happened? "Normal" people. No ones gets and should get a pass, like you yourself said, even if I'm not sure you realize that you didn't apply it all the way with your gov pointing fingers thingie. If some similar evil happened today, but which didn't have any symbol, no mustached guy at the top, no armbands and 1930s military uniforms, no parades, a different kind of vibe and way of wording things, would you still recognize it for its actions and call them out, oppose them, even if it targeted those you don't like? "Lunatics", perhaps?
Youtube, stop censoring my comments.
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@simonestreeter1518 Again, censorship makes me need to do some gymnastics
Edit : To mimic the Polar Express : "Selling" can mean multiple things, such as "Convincing", "Persuade", "Wowing", making people on board. Are social connections "heart" enough for you?
You don't know me, so I'll demand you please stop with the assumptions about what values being taught to me. Just saying, being the one concerned, you are wrong about me. My comment might have not reflected it as much as I'd like, might have failed to "sell" (see above) you on who I am. Moving on.
The romanticists were all intellectuals, as do the philosophers, philanthropists, artists and scientists that made Europe great, including architects like those of the Art Nouveau, Neogothic and Art Deco trends, even those from the Renaissance, prime exemple of an intellectual period, that people come from the world over to see. You shouldn't end (as this is where it leads it when one tries to forcibly reduce it) intellectualism on the altar of obscurantism with real human costs for mere vibes, least we repeat history's darkest chapters.
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@cartercasias6318 I mean, are these actions good or not? If not, let them be called that, else it's relativism and you don't actually oppose them. If those actions made people back then live horrible lifes as a consequence of it, it's no different from now, same homo sapiens, same horrible consequences for the victims, then or now. It's sort of basically refusing to be brave enough as a nation to take responsability for it, like all brave enough nations can do. Unlike a certain country you mentionned in your last comment (that I can't mention else I'll be fed to the wolfes) which is the definition of cowardice on that point for not only denying it ever happened, but making it a point of national pride to deny it, betraying any sort of dignity and humanity as a result in what is actually an anti-patriotic act, soiling the honour of the nation, betraying any possible values it has for it wouldn't want that to happen to their own people. Being brave enough to say the past is bad is not "attacking" anyone, but a demonstration of the greatest form of national courage to be able to say the hardest thing and being rightfully applauded for that courage : "We were wrong, we're sorry, we're going to make up for what we've done and take responsibility for it without pointing fingers elsewhere for our own acts". Functionning empathy toward others is supposed to have been a thing since we became homo sapiens, not something "recent".
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It reminds me of a west african architect I forgot the name of who do architecture just like this. He was tasked by a country in West Africa (probably Ghana or Senegal, but I don't remember) to make a new school for a small village in the countryside and he fully rejected not only modernist designs for local designs, but made it his duty to have the community participate in the construction of the school itself as he rightfully stated not only was this the way buildings were made in village of this kind (and it was mud bricks, so nothing too technologically complicated for the locals to do), but helped the community become attached and find connection to it through their contribution, making it a true beloved center of the village with crowds on its ground even outside school hours (and indirectly through that, attachment and value giving to education in general). One of his anecdotes throughout his projects in Africa was how he constantly had to explain to officials that doing the modernist way in such climates would require tons more of ventilators and air conditionning to make it comfortable to people in it, putting extra strain on the not top-of-the-game electrical grid of countries in developpment. Valuing local culture and the diversity that comes through that, sustainability (even in poorer countries), ecology and community building, that seems all the goals claimed to be valued by architecture schools, don't you think?
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@garyjackson3531 Here comes the start of what these ways of thinking you mention start from with that "lunatics" bit : dehumanization. They have good reasons to feel ashamed those things went on to happen (there's only two centuries to chose from here, not that hyperbole "tons of them") by those who's descendants founded your country, it still happened on your land and pretending there is nothing shameful about it, denying it ever happened or lessening it is unamerican utter disrespect for the human victims of these moments and not taking responsability to honour their memory since its your turn in 2024 to do so, both of these things seems against all the values that your nation say they care about and is thus a betrayal of them. Not to forget it can still teach things today about when people chose to turn their right of others to humanity and functional empathy button "off", even in spite of their claimed ideals, calling today to be consistent in them. Pride is not a salad bar where you can chose what you want and ignore what you don't, you have the accept the whole baggage of what you chose to be proud of, and if it's blindly an entire country from A-Z, it's the whole of it and that's not something I'm sure you'd be comfortable with for good reasons (unless you're proud of the bad things of the past too, which seems not like you to do).
And here's the thing, just blaming a government for things civilians can do as well is nothing short of cowardice and not taking act of responsability for what happened in respect of the human victims, which happened also after the founding of your country. Who elected these governments, these officials? "Normal" people. Who constituted that army? "Normal" people. Who chose back then to do nothing about, even being opportunistic about it, even if they knew it happened? "Normal" people. No ones gets and should get a pass, like you yourself said, even if I'm not sure you realize that you didn't apply it all the way with your gov pointing fingers thingie. If some similar evil happened today, but which didn't have any svastikas or sickles, no mustached guy at the top, no armbands and 1930s military uniforms, no parades, a different kind of vibe and way of wording things, would you still recognize it for its actions and call them out, oppose them, even if it targeted those you don't like? "Lunatics", perhaps?
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