Comments by "SCINTILLAM DEI" (@scintillam_dei) on "Debunking The Battle of Cagayan: 1000 Samurai vs 60 Spanish Tercios" video.
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@hansihobr I already gave sources in my video defeating the Megaweeb. I don't need to spoon-feed you what I provided.
"Chinese merchant captains impersonating Japanese to aboid punishment if caught,"
You're resorting to saying that China let Japanese pirates do whatever they wanted without penalty, and that they cracked down only on Chinese ones! :-) That makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, being of the barbarian islander pirate race would make them receive less mercy.
"wokou captains names in the south east sea who where mostly of Chinese origin, none was Japanese."
Liar. China says they were Japanese-led. Spain said the same. You weren't even there. Your wishes don't make reality.
"Besides all Japanese wokou captains who has ties to daymios were mentioned in Japanese records,"
You contradict yourself. First you say none was Japanese. Then you say some were. Your word is worthless.
Samurais who became pirates did so to avoid consequences in Japan for being on the losing side of a war, so cases of pirates sponsored by the homeland are just a fraction. Plus, my video proves Japan lies about its past, claiming that the Japanese were not pirates but rather "friendly sailors" or similar nonsense, so they would hide the truth just like about Nanking.
"but there's nothing about a 'Taifusa', which sound more like a Chinese or Thay name."
English ergo anti-Spanish Wikipedia says "could be a transliteration of Taifu-sama, with taifu (大夫) being a word for a Japanese medieval chieftain"
And its an exonym. Did he call himself that? Not necessarily.
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@hansihobr "Japanese important figures were writen as Chinese pronuntiate it, followed by the region they came, and those names doesn't have a clear meaning in old-mandarin as the local names."
What you call important Japanese figures would be men like shoguns. Pirates don't have the same level of honour as foreign dignitaries. So false equivalency fallacy. :-) Also, you admit that the names of the Japanese were altered by the Chinese. "followed by the region" is a hasty generalization fallacy. Prove this is always the case.
"History of Ming" "Chinese wokous have Chinese names followed by" "where they came from and where they operate,"
Only the most famous and IF their origin is known by China. So your desperate attempt to find differences is just more hasty generalization fallacy-comitting. The Cagayán battles could have been of a rising star among pirates, except Spaniards brought him low.
"Both Drake and Draco means the same and has the same origin, but you can't say the same from old mandarin and Japanese, some word are similar but the majority has completely different meaning."
Irrelevant nit-picking as always. The point remains: You lied about China when you claimed it ruled out Japanese Wokou leaders, as you based that on the equivalent of "El Draco is a Spanish name so he was a Spaniard!" nonsense.
I remember you said that it had to be Ryukuans among the "Japanese."
Well, you contradict China, knave; again: "Generally true Japanese were 3 out of 10; the subordinates to the Japanese 7 out of ten."
YOu have a track record of lying and distorting the opposition as well as cherry-picking what sources count and what parts of sources count. You have utterly discredited yourself, but you keep squirming like you can get out of the pit you dug for yourself.
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@hansihobr "Your own sources don't endorse the presens of ronins in Cagayan. "
Lie. I proved that the Spanish Empire HIRED SAMURAI MERCENARIES, so if Spain had samurais in its ranks, then it is absurd to deny that it also fought some samurais. Logically, the Spanish met more enemy samurais than friendly ones, because the Japanese utterly despised foreigners according to Francis Xavier.
They were hired from the samurais not in Japan, but in southern lands.... like Luzón. :-) Connect the dots. History doesn't always have to hold your hand.
I proved that there was a Japanese community in Luzón also, BEFORE THE SPANISH ARRIVED. It is naive of you to believe that no samurais were there. You are just a weeaboo in denial. Where the Japanese had towns, samurais were there. Denying that is like saying "First century Jews had a town that had no rabbis."
"Hideyoshi, but he didn't hunt them down" because to do so would have required entering a Spanish realm, and he was afraid of Spain as proven by his attacking Korea instead of Luzón. He threatened the Spanish Emipire but he was all bark and no bite. He knew Japan was too weak. Spain was too busy defending Europe (including Italy) from the Ottoman Empire, and exploring more unknown lands and unknown seas than any other nation in history, and fighting Native rebels around the world, and fighting half of Europe (non-Catholics) PLUS powerful Catholic nations like France that allied with Turks out of fear of Spanish power.... to be able to focus resources on taking down Japan. Japan was unified and a huge archipelago of a war-loving people so they, like thee Chinese, required extra attention if they were to be conquered, but Spain had too much to juggle, a victim of its own success.
" the Siam king hired a few mercenaries"
Thank you for admitting that there were samurais in lands FARTHER FROM JAPAN than Cagayán.
"Waijin seamen" Desperate attempt to deny the already proven fact that, as my video crushing the Megawrong's propaganda shows, CHINA AGREED WITH SPAIN THAT THE LEEADERS OF THE WOKOU WERE JAPANESE!
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@hansihobr "Your video sources are Wikipedia links,"
Not all, liar. If you had seen the video you claim is wrong, you would have known I also cited from the US Naval War College Review which says: "Pablo Carrión drove Japanese pirates from an enclave at the mouth of the Cagayán River. It is in the accounts of such operations that we find the first descriptions in any European language of Japanese military techniques and martial customs, from death-defying charges to acts of ritual suicide. So impressed were the Spanish by these warriors that they began to recruit mercenaries from pacified wako and also from within the expatriate Japanese community."
Samurais were KILLED by Spaniards, and Samurais SERVED Spaniards! :-)
"no relation to 1582." I already beat you on chronology.
"impersonate as Japanese" "they could be released,"
In your imagination. The Chinese weren't so stupid as to release a criminal just because they were Japanese. NON SEQVITVR. Saying it's in the History of Ming is a smokescreen. Cite.
"Spanish sources could say that those impersonators, the Ryukyuan or Waijin where all 'true' Japanese, since all could speak Japanese."
Prove that "all" Ryukyuans "could speak Japanese."
Also, even if they were all fluent, which is nonsense, CHINA knew the diffences between the races, and chose to say JAPANESE, not Ryukyuan, so your desperate move is another failure like all the others.
China on the Wokou: "Generally true Japanese were 3 out of 10; the subordinates to the Japanese 7 out of ten."
" 'History of Ming' mentions that there weren't Japanese captains in their seas,"
Lie. Again, you are just absurdly saying that the Chinese would have used the original Japanese names for the Japanese leaders of the Wokou, when obviously the Chinese opted for Chinese since they're Chinese and didn't care for Japanese. You're like someone saying El Draco had to be Spanish because El Draco is a Spanish name. You are always irrational and always a liar and always desperate and always losing. :-) The Megawrong ran away when I challenged his comment under my video. He is smarter than you. He knows he can't win, so he ran away. You need more beatings to learn your place.
"none Tayfusa mentioned in Japan." I already dealt with this. 1. Tayfusa is probably from Taifu Sama (Japanese). 2. Japan lies to look good. It doesn't want to be perceived as a pirate nation. Same as the English who call their pirate a knight.
"wokous were easely defeated by the Ming patrols" Red herring fallacy. Total irrelevance.
Or are you saying "Wokou were losers so there's no way my idols the Japanese could have been Wokou!" My weeb radar says the smell of a weeb is nearby. Their smell is the smell of bullshit.
"not all samurais were adept to war since the class was just a title of nobility." False dichotomy. And the war college citation I gave says the Spanish hired samurais because they were excellent at war.
If your lord is dead, then you are automatically a ronin. So you're wrong when you say that "only" the expelled or hunted down became ronins.
"That (-sama) was a modern revisionist addition"
Hypocrite. YOU'RE the revisionist by opposing China and Spain which said the Wokou leaders were Japs!
It's not an addition but an interpretation of its origin that fits all evidence unlike your misinterpretations.
"So basically that name could come from anywhere in the region."
No; you take out of context. For the umpteenth time, anti-Spaniard: China and Spain said the leaders were Japs, so you lost the debate. You weren't there. You know nothing. I agree with those who knew the most.
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@hansihobr "Are you trolling" Says the guy who pretends his desire is of greater weight than China and Spain's united word.
"born in 1590, 8 years after the event of Cagayan."
Red herring fallacy. I didn't say he was in Cagayán.
The pont is that his many (300) samurais in Siam prove that in that era, samurais were working as mercenaries in Japanese settlements far from Japan, with Luzón being FAR CLOSER to Japan than Siam meaning a greater Japanese presence was to be expected; with Luzón having had SEVERAL Japanese communities long before the Spanish came, as I already covered. The Spanish HIRED SAMURAIS IN FILIPINAS! So they WERE there, and they WERE Japanese, no matter what you wish.
"converted traveled" "after Hideyoshi expulsion"
I already proved the Japanese had communities in Filipinas long before Spaniards came, and before Hideyoshi was born.
"Christians" Catholics are heretics. I'm working on a video proving that.
"and also CHINA said the Chinese wokou captains impersonate Japanese and the distinguish wokous captains were all Chinese,"
Said, not proven. Hasty generalization fallacy. A few is not all (on impersonators). And, again, you are just absurdly saying that the Chinese would have used the original Japanese names for the Japanese leaders of the Wokou, when obviously the Chinese opted for Chinese since they're Chinese and didn't care for Japanese. You're like someone saying El Draco had to be Spanish because El Draco is a Spanish name.
"Spain said that Francis Drake was a Spaniard 'cause they called him El Draco which is a Spanish name!"
That's how silly you sound when translated by analogy.
You therefore lie when you say that China claimed Wokou leaders were all Chinese.
I'm still waiting for your citations.
[[[ "prove" things, like that the Japanese lied;]]]
My video DID prove they lied. You said I quoted only Wiki, so you didn't even see my video.
"real Japanese crew were mostly conformed by ex-ashigarus or sailors already mixed"
Your worthless desire against China and Spain. Only a narcisist would cling to his opinion above historical records.
Is it hatred of my people or obsession with the Japanese that drives you (most)? Or you can't question Megawrong?
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@hansihobr [[[ "..The Chinese weren't so stupid as to release a criminal just because they were Japanese..." Who mentioned about realeasing criminals? ]]]
You did by saying those accused of piracy would be released if they claimed to be Japanese.
If they were accused of piracy, that would mean that there was evidence of piracy most likely, and so nationality couldn't save someone if they were caught for real. So it makes no sense, like if Somali pirates were caught, but claimed to be from Zanzibar. EVEN IF THEY WERE from Zanzibar, being caught as pirates would mean they would be treated as pirates. So lying about race or homeland would not work, especially when a foreign language would have to be very convincing PLUS the racial look of the person look the part. Stars would have to align for a pirate to get away just by claiming to be Japanese if they were actually Chinese.
And you contradict yourself bvecause you said that the Japanese were never pirate leaders, while China said they WERE the leaders, so you contradict China, not just yourself. If there werenever Japanese Wokou leaders, then a Chinese guy lying that he is Japanese cannot fool the Chinese guards who would think "But there are no Japanese pirates, so he must be lying!" Also, Japanese fishermen would never venture into Chinese coasts becaues that would be asking for death from trespassing onto Chinese waters.
"impersonating Japanese was pretty common" Your word is worthless. Prove what you say. "during Ming era, that's why wokou no longer meant just Japanese dwarves later on."
Wokou meant Japanese, as you imply here, and you're trying to explain that away with a theory I have already dismantled. You have nothing.
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@eagle162 "he didn't say anything about Pirates not having gunpowder weapons"
It doesn't matter that he didn't EXPLICITLY say anything about the pirates not having gunpowder weapons. His omission is dishonest, and so are you for trying to defend it, weeb. :-) I can attack a liar's character all I went. You don't get a pass just 'cause you're famous or just 'cause you demand special privileges, narcissists.
"he read the two letters directly mentioning gunpowder weapons"
Yes, in relation to the SPANISH having them, not the anti-Spanish Asians led by samurais.
Very dishonest of you to make this omission.
"Rodeleros were not even mentioned in the letters or even katanas"
No need. If you mention Nazi Germany, things related to it are implied. If you mention Imperial Japan, Kamikaze pilots are implied. Your argument: "If it's not explicit, it doesn't exist!" is willfully ignorant and naive.
"Rodeleros were discontinued in the 1530s with only Occasional attempts were made to revive them"
Training them officially being discontinued in the 1530s doesn't mean those trained prior weren't still serving the crown for the following decades. You missed again. :-)
You cite wikipedia saying the Asians made the Spanish retreat at first until gunpowder and pikemen were used to defend the Spanish swordsmen you deny existed (make up your mind). So you're saying the samurais whom you deny existed (make up your mind LOL) were beating the Spaniards at swordplay until gunpowder changed things?
If you think outside the box, you'll know that having gunpowder weapons doesn't mean you always have them in the best locations. They may have been in a separate area during the battles or taking time to get to the action. So that doesn't rule out the samurais also having gunpowder. Also, they were battles int he plural meaning in some cases they could have had them, and not in others. They didn't all fight in one giant formation, after all.
"Aparri, it served as a trading post do you know who typically goes to training post people like Merchants," who need bodyguards. Again you fail to think outside the box.
"it had a population only about 600" Irrelevant if true, and you didn't prove it.
"and majority weren't even Japanese," Strawman fallacy. I never said the Japanese were ever the majority among pirates. The History of the Ming says 3 out of 10 Wokou were Japanese. "it wasn't even an official Coney of Japan" Thank you for admitting it was an unofficial colony of Japan. :-) I bet Ryukyu also had unoficcial colonies until Japan took the entire region over. Without Spain, Japan or China would have conquered the islands. Actually, the Brunei Empire was most likely to do that until Spain destroyed their empire, even burning their capital.
What is your race and nationality?
Let me respond to the rest of your shitpost in the next comment.
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@eagle162 "Aljubarrota is not the same such as more sources backing it up,"
According to the Metatron, two sources (Greeks and Romans) are enough to trust the Romans on how Celts looked, so you contradict the Metatron. :-)
"story is more consistent"
Nonsense. Every nation has different narratives with inconsistencies between them.
For example, the English will say they saved Portugal, while Portuguese will say they just "helped." The Welsh will say the longbows were thanks to their people while the English will omit that most likely.
"but with a battle before starting the Portuguese playing trap such as trenches"
A trap can catch some but once a few are caught, others don't fall into the trap, so that can be dismissed as a reason for beating a vastly numerically-superior enemy.
"two letters and that contradict each other," Not knowing the exact number but giving an estimate doesn't mean they're entirely wrong nor that the gist of samurais being losers, is wrong. NON SEQVITVR fallacy. You and the Metatron contradict each other on how many sources it takes to trust a story, so you must be spouting bullshit by your own standard. :-)
"doesn't even coincide with the story populace on the internet"
Is this even correct English? What are you saying?
"and doesn't add up when looking at the details such as the pirate ships not being able to carry that many people." Argument from incredulity fallacy and assuming that pirate ships have only one size as if pirates are all cookie-cut. LOL! They are very much a varied group (led by Japs in this case as the Ming and Spanish say, so you are alraedy defeated). And their varied group used varied boats.
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@eagle162 [[[ "benevolence seafarers" are not in reference to wokou or pirates in general but a group name Murakami Kaizoku]]]
Kaizoku means "pirate" LOL!!!
The Japanese government website in my video says so:
[[[ "Although the word kaizoku means ‘pirate,’ the Murakami Kaizoku were different from the traditional image of western pirates or from present-day pirates who unlawfully board ships and forcefully collect money or seize goods. The Murakami Kaizoku helped to maintain order in the sea by assuring the security of ships,” says Tanaka.
“In addition, whereas pirates have a cut-throat image, the kaizoku of the Murakami Clan were religious and enjoyed cultural activities such as the tea ceremony and renga collaborative poetry.”]]]
He does a false dichotomy fallacy between religious and cut-throat. Japan is the Britain of the Far East. Pirates, both.
[[[ the wiki doesn't also say the leaders were Japanese but "the subornates to the Japanese 7 out of 10" it's talking about the subornatons to leaders that were actually Japanese it didn't say all or most leaders were Japanese]]]
It doesn't have to be explicit, weeb. Your argument is: "DO NOT CONNECT THE DOTS!"
You omitted that the official Chinese History of the Ming says of the Wokou pirates: "Generally true Japanese were 3 out of 10." So 3 out of 10 Wokou were Japanese, and it says that the majority was under the authority of the Japanese pirates who came from a land where most warriors were samurais, so the leaders were samurais, and your denial is because you WISH the samurais could not be beaten by my people, but history proves you wrong.
"find a famous One,"
Changing the subject to fame. Red herring fallacy.
"the percentage gets lower the further away you get from Japan." And Luzón is closer to Japan than most of southern Asia, so Cagayán had a lot more samurais than places like Siam which had samurais as mercenaries as I proved in my video.
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@eagle162 This has everything to do with Black Legend propaganda since your shitposts and this shitty video are both perfect examples of the perpetuation of the Black Legend which paints Spaniards as evil, weak or both. The Inquisition was evil, but that was the worst thing Spain did. The Japanese in WW2 weren't any better. The British were worse than Nazis. My series on atehist myths proves that Darwin wanted all non-Europeans to be "exterminated." Macro-evolutionists genocided Tasmanians, calling them "missing links." Argentina (not the Spanish Empire) committed a genocide with Darwin's influence and British involvement. What a surprise.
" just look at pirate history around the world it occurred because lack of options"
Yes, and the samurais who lost battles in Japan, and whose lives were in peril, found southern Asian lands like Cagayán which had a Japanese community already there, to be appealing options where they could work as mercenaries, bodyguards or pirates.
The crackdown by Japan and China on piracy meant pirates had pressure to move to places with less pressure, like Cagayán... until the Spanish cracked the nuts. :-)
"just a skirmish" Liar. It's more than one battle, and my video on this video's nonsense proves that the leaders of the Wokou were Japanese samurais.
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@eagle162 You didn't say your race and nationality. Scared to reveal reasons for your prejudice.
"leaving so many comments, just because you know you're wrong." NON SEQVITVR.
"No he did not it really talks about Pirates using firearms"
What is "it"? Metatron did not mention the Asians using firearms against Spaniards. He dishonestly portrayed Asians as having lost due to having to fight against gunpowder users as if they didn't have the technology also.
"It has more than just two letters that contradict each other."
The contradictions are trivial, like saying "the hydra has 100 heads, not 140 heads."
The point is it has a lot of heads! :-) You miss the point.
And you're still against the Metatron you're trying and failing to defend, since, again:
"According to the Metatron, two sources (Greeks and Romans) are enough to trust the Romans on how Celts looked, so you contradict the Metatron. :-)"
He also said that Romans being in Gaul helped for credibility.
Well, that's hypocrisy since Spaniards were in Cagayán, and Chian agrees with Spain that pirate leaders were Japanese. :-)
I have the History of the Ming on my side.
"Rodeleros when there is no mention of them or katanas"
You like to rehash points I already defeated, grasping at straws. Again:
[[[ "Rodeleros were not even mentioned in the letters or even katanas"
No need. If you mention Nazi Germany, things related to it are implied. If you mention Imperial Japan, Kamikaze pilots are implied. Your argument: "If it's not explicit, it doesn't exist!" is willfully ignorant and naive.]]]
"you paint this as a battle of Swordsmen" Strawman fallacy. I very explicitly mention both sides having gun users. You're LYING through your teeth.
"concerned dealing with the Kingdom next door not going Beyond that,"
My video cites the US Naval War College Review covering Japan's plans to conquer Cagayán and beyond, so you're willfully ignorant as always.
"Specific type of ships are mention, ones can cannot carry that many people."
The Spanish referred to Native Americans as "indios." They weren't into being as accurate as possible. They referred to the pirates as "los japoneses" even though they knew it was only the leaders who were Japanese, not the underling majority which was Chinese etcetera. So when the Spanish say a ship name, it's an approximation. Again your argument hinges on ignoring context. Always running from the truth that samurais lost to my people.
"majority of warriors in Japan were not Samurai"
Many were samurais, and you ignored this reasoning:
"samurais who lost battles in Japan, and whose lives were in peril, found southern Asian lands like Cagayán which had a Japanese community already there, to be appealing options where they could work as mercenaries, bodyguards or pirates.
The crackdown by Japan and China on piracy meant pirates had pressure to move to places with less pressure, like Cagayán... until the Spanish cracked the nuts."
You argue about what you don't understand. You said Kaizoku has nothing to do with "pirate" when that is a definition! LOL! Japan itself (in its website) said so!
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@21segarra Ey. Si te gusta Age of Empires 2 HD, estoy haciendo un mapa inmenso y realístico de América desde Canadá hasta Tierra del Fuego. Includos están: España, Portugal, Italia, Francia, Inglaterra en gran parte, Irlanda, toda África, todo el Japón, el este de China, Hawaii y el norte de Filipinas. Pronto ojalá lo terminaré.
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@kitus360 Te invito a mi mapa inmenso y realístico de América que estoy terminando para Age of Empires 2 HD. Incluye Iberia, Italia, Francia, parte de Inglaterra, el país Galés, Irlanda, toda África, todo el Japón, el este de China, el sur de Corea, Hawaii (que los españoles descubrieron, no otros europeos como puedo demostrar) y el norte de Filipinas con el río Cagayán ahí esperando para que los conquistadores maten a los samurais. :-) También quiero ver una guerra entre el Imperio azteca y el incaico en el contexto adecuado. Ya hice Tenochtitlán y Cuzco.
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