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Comments by "No One" (@joermundgand) on "Chomsky Says US Should Stay In Syria" video.

@elchapojunior3091 They carry out offensive operations, call in air support, fight in skirmishes against the enemies of the Kurds, peace keepers are static, they are not static, they are not holding a line.
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Noam Chomsky is Goldstein from 1984. He'll greet us all in room 101.
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In Europe?, the Middle East is in Asia.
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Except about Cambodia genocide, Vietnamese refugees, Biafra genocide, Tchad and Gaddafi, Venezuelas present government, Fall of the Soviet Union, Deng Xiaoping policies, The Clintons policies, Obama policies, recent events in Catalonia, Red Brigades in Italy, Rote Armee Fraktion in Germany and the list goes on and on, he has been wrong a lot of times, he's intelligent, he has been right sometimes, but he has also allowed ideology to blind him a lot of times.
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@elchapojunior3091 The two thousand along the North Border only protect the parts of the border under Kurdish control, they cannot protect but one venue of attack, armies can move around them, the Turks can simply go south through the areas controlled by Al Nusrah or the areas directly controlled by the Turks, then they can simply swing east and take the bridges and cross the Euphrates, then the 2000 US troops would have no choice but to either fight the Turks (A NATO army with SOTA weaponry, so the American troops would be deader than mutton) or to flee into Iraq/Turkey, the Kurds would give them a hard time in Iraq, the Turks would disarm them, grab their gear and sell the info and tech to Russia and China. So the US has to retreat in full or remain in force, remaining in detail would mean a giant clusterfuck gettting even more insane.
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@Qvolepues The local communities you are talking about were settled there by force in the sixties, seventies and eighties in a campaign of Arabization, they basically confiscated land and settled landless Arabs in the area, this pissed of the people who lived there, Assyrians, Kurds and a lot of smaller groups.
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@ModernPlague Never let a crisis go to waste...
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@browngirlinaclownworld2077 Ashoka lost his marbles having been a real monster, retreated to a cave, those who desire power are always monsters, that's why there are checks and balances,separation of powers, without it the monsters get a free reign.
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Vlad the guru Syria is an artificial nation.
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Vlad the guru There's no honor in real politik, I don't have some notions of honor when it comes to giant war machines wrecking entire nations, I don't oppose the Kurds having a land of their own, they can do what they want, I just don't think that all this meddling has made anything any better at all, what has been accomplished in all these resource wars, millions of dead, trillions of debt, disillusioned populace, millions of refugees causing instability for thousand of miles in all directions and for what, honor or oil, the US shit on their allies all the time, this has happened too many times to count, in this regard the US is no different than any other power.
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Vlad the guru True, tiny problem, Turkey is giant economy, has actual industrial capacity needed to produce weapory and controls access between east and west, so if we do that the Turks will become a enemy and ally with Russia and China.
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Vlad the guru I agree, but what are you going to do, risk war against Turkey, that's a horrible plan and it certainly won't help the Kurds, not unless we are prepared to attack Turkey and roll heavy armor into downtown Ankara.
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@johnholmes2397 Idiot.
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@elchapojunior3091 That's the reality of the thing, the US is near bankrupt, a gazillion dollars in debt, its own infrastructure in tatters, its manufacturing base in crisis, gold is the bone and sinew of war, no money means no resources to wage war, hence the discount asymmetrical warfare supporting insurgents.
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Man you're naive, Israel is Ulster, same model, take some idiots, feed them some propaganda, make them act as your local bullyboys to secure the area, then whenever the local idiots are doing something stupid you turn to your populace and tell them, we had nothing to do with this, it was all the local muscles fault, gangland tactics 101.
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@Qvolepues 10 percent ruling over the least densely populated parts, then you have the groups based on ethnicity or religion or ethno religious groups allied to them in the area. So your math is way off, should we examine how many people live in the area and who the locals are, Assyrian, Turkomen, Armenians, various religious groups in this region Sunni Arabs are a minority in this area, a imported minority, you know this and yet you still attempted to deceive those who read your little fairy tale.
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gespilk After you.
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gespilk So after you rich kid, after you.
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gespilk You could of course continue the wars into infinity and beyond, but sooner or later the legionaires will ask the Emperor and the Senate for substantial raise or else.
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gespilk Ahahahahahahaha, wait, ahahahahahahgaha.
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Pipeline construction and to balkanize another artificial nation.
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Vlad the guru Korean National Oil Corporation(makes pipelines), Levantine Basin oil and gas, Kurdistan, start from there.
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@Quinicus I'm not talking about the Kurds, The Sykes–Picot Agreement, And don't use that phrase, it's peak level smugness.
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@Quinicus Xenophon, the Kartli.
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@Quinicus Tashkent trade fair, shell company, Korean National Oil Corporation, Kurdistan autonomous region in Iraq, Refineries in Canada. Rusoil, Exxon, Qatar...
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@Quinicus Land of the Carduchians, the Kurds.
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@SamiZ1960 Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, under whom, the Turks, The Arabs, The Iranians, get a grip man, then you have two main sects, minor sects, sub sects, non muslims, the loon down the corner who's a minority within a minority.
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@Quinicus The Middle East, the entire Dar al-Islam(the house of Islam) exists in the minds of about 20 percent of the Muslim populace in a state of Dar al-Harb(the abode of war) ever since a Mongol Khan chopped the head off the last Caliph(hence Islamists of various varieties, they existed before the European powers began carving up the place), they simply never had a modern nation state(except Turkey), they still live in princely states(monarchy, theocracy), any of the states in the an area from Morocco to Indonesia are like this irregardless of who drew lines on a map. So each state is basically like he princely state with its nobles, mercs, regional powers, mafia structures governing the place, to pretend that any of these states have any meaningful modern legitimacy is pointless, the Kurds are attempting to create a secular modern nation state, their neighbours don't like it or should I say the princely or theocratic rulers don't like it, Turkey is a bit different, Erdogan despite his religious tendencies acts as the executive of a nation state attempting to preserve territorial integrity due to the rise of a nation state with legitimate claims to a large part of Turkeys territory. This is a giant clusterfuck and then for shits and giggles you add the single most important resource on the planet into the meat grinder.
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@Quinicus Dore had a clip about Sykes Pycot, what you are seeing is a narrative device, white clown, red clown, like in the circus, the white clown is Ron and Steff, the red buffoonish clown is Dore.
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@Quinicus He's a Dar al-Harb Sunni loon, an Islamist.
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Vlad the guru Just the latest line of long line of butchers, the Assyrians weren't saints themselves when they took over the place, the Kurds helped the Turks to butcher Armenians, it's all very much just humans being human, sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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Vlad the guru Where are the Arameans now, who killled them, the Assyrians did long ago.
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@browngirlinaclownworld2077 They are just human, just like you, for a short while their brand of stupid did well, then other brands of stupid did better, now if it wasn't for oil this area would be no more relevant than the Congo. Hopefully at some point their brand of stupid will just die out in their minds.
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Vlad the guru I don't mind them having a country, but don't portay them as saints, there are no saints, I've never seen a saint, met a saint, heard a saint speak, there are just people trying to make it, the Kurds, the Assyrians, the Turkomen, the Yazidis, various Christian sects, they all just want to be left alone in their little corner of Syria, in order to make that a reality they have to secure the east bank of the Euphrates river for the strategic advantage that it imbues. Most of the Sunni Arab settlers sided with ISIS and so when the tide of war turned they fled, they fled from Syria because the Assad government wasn't their friends either.
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@browngirlinaclownworld2077 Lots of oil in Kirkuk, controlled by the Kurds, lots of Chinese money, they'll do just fine.
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@browngirlinaclownworld2077 Yeah, but the important bits remain under their control, the Iraqi government installed some suit, it makes no difference when the cops on the beat are all peshmerga. The important bits are the refineries and the oil fields.
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Bitola Otuken Yeah, I know, that's why it's not going to happen, it would mean full scale total war, you would of course lose in the end in such a scenario, but we are simply not prepared to kill 50 million human beings just because some people want to oppose everything that makes Trump look good.
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And why did ISIS exist at all, who funded them, sold weaponry to ones, who funded them, which three letter word agency created them. So the US funded both sides, the Kurds were funded to put down Frankensteins monster after it escaped the lab, in return they got a ton of modern weapons, they still get daily shipments of weapons btw.
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Korean National Oil Corporation. Makes pipelines, won the bid to build a pipeline through Eastern Syria, Which explains why Rojava Expanded all the way to the Euphrates, it's a condition of their alliance that they support the construction of the pipeline from Qatar. Divide et Empera motherfuckers. Chomsky is basically siding with Aramco and Exxon here.
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@SamiZ1960 Islamic Empire, what Islamic Empire, the Ottomans, The Safavids, The Timurids, The Ilkhans, gotta be a little specific here.
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@SamiZ1960 He was a Fatimid merc, so at first he was Shia, then for political reason to dupe morons like you he switched sect to Sunni, then he switched back to Shia for a while and then he needed some backing in Damascus to fight the Kingdom of Jerusalem who were on the move backed by the Third Crusade and to pander to morons to fight the Third Crusade he switched back to Sunni. So he was a religious opportunist, just like every ruler back then. If the Third Crusade had conquered Egypt he would have become a Catholic in a New York minute.
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@SamiZ1960 According to official statistics 99.9 percent of Algerias population is Sunni Muslim, in reality it's about 60 percent divided into various sub sects, rest are Shia, Ibadi and Catholics. A lot of your neighbours in what ever nation you live in are too afraid of guys like you killing them and so they pretend to be mainline Sunni.
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@elchapojunior3091 Yes, and that means your 2000 "peacekeepers" are utterly exposed to being cut off and isolated, a 20 mile strip of land along the border, everything behind them is exposed.
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@elchapojunior3091 Let us glance on a map of Afrin, what do you see, you see an infrastructure hub protected by mountains providing access to Latakia, Aleppo and to the Euphrates crossings, how would you if you were a Turkish General use this to launch an attack on Assad, Al Nusrah or the Kurds, you have access from Afrin to launch attacks on all three sides in the war and you have great logistics back to Turkey. Your 2000 peacekeepers are useless sitting along the border if Turkey decides to use their state of the art first world military against anybody in Syria, the Turks could if they wanted to do so conquer Syria in a matter of months. Who could possibly stop them, Iran, Russia, the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Saudis can't do it because the open Syrian desert would be prime area for taking out whole divisions of Saudis from the air, the Iranians can't because they would have to cross into Iraq in force, this would be unacceptable to all factions in Iraq, the Russians wouldn't lift a finger to prevent their new Turkish friends(and they are friends ever since some retards in the US state department decided to back a coup attempt against Erdogan) from killing the Kurds, Israel simply doesn't have the strength to fight a top tier military like their own which outnumbers them at a ratio of 30-1 and so they would do a little sabre rattling at best, the US would officially condemn it and do nothing more(hoping against hope that Erdogan and Putin stops being friends).
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@elchapojunior3091 What is your solution, to remain to the end of time and to what aim, Turkey, Russia and Iran would automatically become ever more bound together with the aim of bleeding the US coffers empty, meanwhile India and China is doing the same in Afghanistan, you cannot wage war without money. Seriously, what is your solution to this self inflicted wound dreamt up by Harvard graduates with delusions of grandeur?
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@genghisdon1 Preventing war with war, declare war on war itself, we must kill until no more human beings desire to wage war, insanity.
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@elchapojunior3091 It took time to conquer Afrin because the frontline fighting was done by unreliable proxies, basically mercs, that is not the same as a full mobilisation in which 1,2 million Turkish regulars roll into the neighbourhood in brand spanking new gear with no fucks given. The US had similar problems in the race to Mosul, couldn't be seen being back in force.
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@elchapojunior3091 No money, no war, broke nations cannot fight. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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@genghisdon1 So what are you saying, that the US should maintain a presence in Syria until the heat death of the universe at great expense while segments of its own populace have a living standard comparable to the average Ugandan. Is that what you are saying? That's going to be really popular with the electorate who see the impact of "humanitarian" interventions having a negative impact on their daily existence.
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@elchapojunior3091 Oh, so it's not just the 2000 along the border then, you want them all over the place now, that presents a new problem, lets say Assad attacks the Kurds or that the Kurds attack Assad, that would bring those troops into conflict with Russian, Chinese and Iranian forces, good luck with that hairbrained scheme, how many times do you think the Chinese is going to accept some flyboy taking out their "advisors" without them putting some AA after his ass. That would mean very hot proxy war with two first tier militaries and one second tier, great plan.
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@elchapojunior3091 You might want to look at a map, you see that Bosphorus strait, it's in Turkey, very important, you see eastern Turkey with that Imcirlik base with thermonuclear tactical warheads and a safe haven to fly sorties into Iraq, very important, then there's the Turkish diaspora in Europe and the influence it has as a part of the electorate, especially in Germany.
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@elchapojunior3091 They cost nothing you say, it costs about 1.5 million per grunt to just keep them supplied with the basics in a warzone, water, food, boots, bootlaces, fatigues, lithium batteries, ammo etc... Your 2000 "peacekeepers" will cost 3 billion dollars at minimum per annum, that's with no air support, no heavy gear, that's just to keep them going on foot.
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@elchapojunior3091 But you would have to give them support of some kind, otherwise the counter attack by whomever they were dumb enough to attack due to some idiotic promise of support from some ambitious US public servant would run them over. And never underestimate human stupidity, the Kurds are human prone to the same human foibles.
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@elchapojunior3091 Repeat after me, 3 billion dollars, what can you get for 3 billion dollars, somebody is bound to bring that up.
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@elchapojunior3091 How are you going to build friendships in Europe when the adventures in the middle east are causing political stability in Europe, illuminate oh sanguine wise one. And with whom are you going to be friendly with, Macron who's facing a angry discontented populace, Merkel who's been effectively ousted by the right in her own party, May who's paralyzed by Brexit. South China Sea you say, that would require a proxy willing to make the claim to those insignificant pieces of coral, the Spratleys, who's that going to be the proxy, the Vietnamese, the Filipinos, the Taiwanese, so you'll use the Taiwanese to do it, that's a stalemate, a costly stalemate with a costly arms race. Invest in Africa, that's going to be real popular in London, Paris and Berlin, encroaching on their turf even more. Non interference in South America, a few more Obradors and Chavez types will surely be a boon, that will however create a few more Bolsonaros.
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@elchapojunior3091 The only added cost would just be flying them out to them you say. Supplies are from a stockpile, you replenish your stockpile, that costs money, you store perishables in refrigeration units, that costs money, gear breaks which must be replaced, that costs money, gear is used up, that costs money, planes use fuel, that costs money, trucks transporting all of it to and from the planes, that costs money, trucks and planes needs maintenance and spare parts, that costs money, the soldiers needs to get paid imminent danger pay, that costs money, soldiers are wounded or killed, that costs money... The list goes on and on, it all costs money, lots and lots of money.
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@elchapojunior3091 I'm not arguing for intervention in South America, but you will after Bolsonaro numero duo. Turkey invading Kurdistan wouldn't increase immigration to Europe because the poor bastards would have to flee east into Iraq and Iran, that's the sad truth. The Vietnamese are intensely nationalistic and they still entertain idiotic dreams of reconquering a bit of Nanyue. So you might wanna be careful in supporting them without attaching a bazillion caveats and opt outs.
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@BrownFrown22 You mean a second genocide...
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@elchapojunior3091 And Georgia would never attack Russia, whoops they did, besides the Vietnamese know their history, China is somewhat cyclical, collapses and sheds areas in the periphery, they'll do their damnedest to ensure that happens and on the off chance that their dreams come true then what, another era of warlords in China with nukes. There you are again with another potential war, you really only see nails in the world.
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@elchapojunior3091 https://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/Iraq926.htm
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@elchapojunior3091 Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
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@elchapojunior3091 That one, among the many, how many more genocides do you want, what about death by depleted uranium pollution, do you want to know how many died due to used ammo polluting the air and water.
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@elchapojunior3091 Shall we listen together you and I to Madeleine justifying the death of 500,000 children, come now, she's a democrat and she's so very polite and soft spoken, her air of civility inspires the heart and elevates the mind.
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@elchapojunior3091 1. Are you familiar with the term mission creep. 2. We don't know that at all, we know that the Turks and the Kurds are at this very moment talking to each other, one possibility is war, another is peace. 3. Are you familiar the the phrase, "the children are our future", without a future a people is lost, how many futures were lost, this was done to make it impossible for Iraq to have a future, not to get rid of Saddam specifically, but to ensure that no matter what they would have a shortage of people in the foreseeable future who were men of fighting age or even able to fight. This is but one of the atrocities, how many in total, this was just the dead children from sanctions, how many from airstrikes, stray bullets, hit by a tank and run over by the threads, picked up a clusterbomb which looked like a toy, died from thirst because the water works had been demolished by a cruise missile, how many from disease during both wars, how many from radiation poisoning from DU ammo, from allergic reaction to cordite, imagine how many, 1 million, what about 2 million, how about 3 million...
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@elchapojunior3091 Is 3 million a genocide or is it just "collateral damage" to the "local populace" due to "misallocation" in the "target selection" and a "tendency to underestimate the resilience of local power structure".
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@elchapojunior3091 1. You will not prevent anything if Turkey decide to roll down south, not unless you had enough troops to invade and depose Erdogan, good luck with that fantasy, so there's no point to maintain a skeletal force that might later become another quagmire. 2. Iraq is a puppet of Iran, how do you think those Russian planes and Iranian troops get to Syria, by teleporting? 3. First Iraq war civilian deaths, 200,000, Sanctions, 1,000,000, 2nd Iraq war, 450,000, these are civilians deaths only that can be proven to be caused by US action. This number does not include those who died in intercine conflict. So according to you 1,6 million isn't a genocide,
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@elchapojunior3091 When does genocide become genocide, how many must die, is what happening in Yemen right now genocide or collateral damage, the Saudis aren't doing anything different really, bombing infrastructure, droning villagers, how many...
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@elchapojunior3091 Ah, so when the US kills is downgraded to atrocity, when others do it is genocide, got it, you've redefined genocide as atrocity. Specific race or religion, what about nationality, there have been many genocides perpetrated against nationalities. Would you like me to list them?
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@elchapojunior3091 The Burmese killing the Hmong, not a genocide, it's an atrocity now, the Japanese killing an ungodly number of Chinese, it's an atrocity, would you like me to continue?
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@elchapojunior3091 The Pakistani killing the Bangladeshi, it's an atrocity now.
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@elchapojunior3091 The Nigerian state killing Biafrans, it's just an atrocity now kids, all is well, not a genocide at all, no hard feelings, the dead are just collateral damage.
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@lindakrief Ulster in the middle East, now Ulster in the Middle East 2.0, Kurdistan.
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What an idiotic lacking in scope explanation of what is happening, don't look at who gets what, blame some people just because you all read some dumb books written by even dumber fuckwits.
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Ron Burgundy Timber Sycamore, arming "rebels" picked by the Saudis and Qatar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
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Ron Burgundy Go back to r/politics Ronnie, the wilds of reality outside the echochamber isn't for you, out here we care about facts.
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Ron Burgundy Idiot.
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Ron Burgundy I'm too old for that juvenile talking point word salad to have any effect.
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Ron Burgundy Not really, I don't care what kind of government the Kurds desire, I don't care at all, I don't care about their faith or lack thereof, what I do find somewhat disturbing is arming Al Nusra and ISIS, that is idiotic and it is thinking like that which caused the blowback known as 9/11. No need to create another Osama Bin Laden in order to fight the Great Game, it's a bad move.
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Ron Burgundy Do you think this is news to me? Timber Sycamore, the Kurds and the special operators cleaned up the CIA mess, a mess they still give arms and funds to. 9/11 happened because of sheer incompetence and a blinkered belief that tools are disposable, they still think like this or ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda rebranded(Al Nusra) wouldn't exist.
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MIT employee and he's old.
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@dpersonal4187 Goldstein, 1984=Chomsky.
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@Qvolepues This area is lost to you unless you're willing to kill the lot, besides I'm pretty sure that their friends across the border in Iraq will hand them all the firepower they need if somebody tries to roll into it, the Rojava isn't allowing the Peshmerga in at the moment, but that will change if somebody does something stupid and the Peshmerga is awash in Chinese cash.
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@medpub The regular footslugger is just desperate, no matter what flag or creed he fights under, if you were the Rojava would you trust the Assad princeling, you wouldn't, you would ally with Satan himself to keep that fucker out of your neighbourhood. That's all, there's no grand plan for regular people, just useful lies.
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