Comments by "No One" (@joermundgand) on "Jeff Sessions Announces DACA Repeal With Litany Of Lies" video.

  1. Samuel Freakin' Adams. Perhaps it is because they oppose war too, perhaps it is because they too are aware of how utterly broken everything is, perhaps they are not the foe you imagine them to be. Perhaps they are not a uniform group, perhaps people are not so hostile to parts of what Jimmy espouses, perhaps things are not so easily defined.
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  2. Grant Marcus. If the hurricane hits Debbie Wassermann Schultz mansion and sends her to Oz I would be immensely happy and Oz would have a replacement for the wicked witch. I hope however that the people of Bahamas, Cocos and Turks, Cuba and Florida will survive.
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  3. Gales99. So one death tragic as it may be means that the entirety must be labelled as murderers? That's insane, that's the kind of thinking espoused by some horrid Nazi when he or she hears that some BLM sympatizer murders some cops in Dallas.
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  4. Korgull. Identity politics isn't a uniter boyo, all identities have a identity that they are in opposition too. Divide and conquer and you are promoting it.
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  5. Off course, it's the bipartisan stitch and bait or is it bait and switch.
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  6. Vanz Scanz. And the left doesn't? What planet do you live on.
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  7. B-Rye. I doubt you were asking me, but the danger is that the that "whites" become radicalized by these diasparate groups and that this will in turn cause an actual Fascist movement to take power. The various groups you are concerned about cannot formulate policy because they are so incredibly fractured, they can however cause a radicalization among the target of their ire and that is fucking dangerous.
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  8. Korgull. You're evading the question posed, answer it. identity based groups are a blight regardless of their supposed place on the spectrum, at this point in time the left in the main only espouses identity politics, without that it would become an actual movement with actual policy positions. The right in the main have things they wish to accomplish, the left has been reduced to identity politics and the other guys are worse. So I ask you again, which is the greater obstacle to actual constructive debate and some semblance of a united definition of class consciousness, the right or the left.
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  9. P Leff. No, we have to fight this group think, it would mean civil war in the end if everybody begins to side with their particular group based on mere superficial physical traits.
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  10. Korgull. Which side in the top echelon of the political system opposes war, I fail to see any on either side of the spectrum. Can you not see that for a large part their support is an act of desperation. The people stabbing you in the gut isn't a bunch of people just getting by and you know it. They are some pretty strange right wingers then who wish to audit or abolish the FED, get rid of or diminish the Intelligence apparatus and desires rigorous enforcement of anti trust, i'm talking about the voters here, not the elected officials. Ehhh, good luck if you have nothing to offer in return, obviously the Dems are so distrusted by this supposed obstacle that any offer presented from a Democrat would be met with a kneejerk pavlovian response.
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  11. Korgull. You original statement concerned the motivations of Trump voters, in a sense they are far more rebellious than your average Liberal, so perhaps stop naming them the problem and raise your hand against the actual common foe.
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  12. Korgull. Why do you continue to support a pillar of If you desire to abolish hierarchies, meaning why do you support identity politics when it is obviously a prop for the status quo. Stay on topic.
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  13. P Leff. Yielding is submission and I refuse to do that and allow the dumbest shrillest voices to prevail.
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  14. Korgull. I did not say it didn't exists, but my question still remains unanswered, you continue to evade. The fix is to acknowledge every human being as being unique, that's the fix to your giant racial word salad. Which at the same time will make it possible to unite individuals to attain common goals. You claimed that it should roll over and die, see your previous reply to user David Gill. "The working class will die if it does not fight, it will die if it wastes its time fighting scapegoats conjured up by capitalists, it will die if it does not find allies among other oppressed groups to aid in its struggle against the capitalists." We agree, you just have a more finite number of scapegoats or should I say fewer scapegoats. Some scapegoats are largely ignored by you. Try expanding you perception beyond Marx. "Here's a real world example: people who advocated for giving black people the right to vote are morally superior to those who formed the KKK as a means to intimidate black voters and their white allies. They are both engaging in "identity politics" and concern themselves with the same issue, the black vote, but one is clearly better than the other." Have you seen the other guys. Thank you for proving unintentionally my point of how hollow your arguments are.
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  15. Korgull. Women and minorities aren't prevented in any legal way from obtaining work, wtf are you talking about? MLK worked for citizens!!!, US citizens, not for illegals which has proven to drive down wages for the poor because they cannot compete with them, it's facts, not this fiction you promote. Furthermore by draining countries of able-bodied individuals the countries of origin experiences less social mobility also, it's facts, not your silly fiction. "The problem is still capitalism, not immigrants, not women, not people of colour, not automation. Those are distractions, and rallying behind these distractions just because members of the working class have fallen victim to these distraction tactics does not help the working class in the slightest." What distraction tactic, it's supply and demand? "And what "left" are you even talking about? Because the vast majority of leftists are so anti-war, they speak out in defence of North Korea against American provocations and imperialism." But not in Libya, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan, nope, you muster to defend Kim the third of his name, the NK government has concentration camps ffs, personally I think they should be left alone and cordoned off. In fact we should forget NK exists. "And the only one legitimately talking about healthcare and education in the US is Bernie Sanders, even though he is only a moderate, he's still left of centre" He's a Social Democrat(moderate Socialist) which means he lives in the real World and deals with real problems. But he has no power and parts of the far left acted in concert with Clinton to sabotage his campaign(BLM, feminists, La Raza). "I'm a socialist, so while I support the fight for increased wages, minimum and otherwise, ultimately, my desired end goal is a society where the working class take control of the work place and, instead, work for the collective prosperity of the working class and the people. I desire the end of wage labour entirely, and that will be achieved when the working class take control by any means necessary, and it will be easier for them to do that the more workers there are. They should openly work with immigrants, illegal or otherwise, and fight together for their common benefit against their common enemy. And fuck ICE, the working class has a wonderful history of fighting pig scum." No, you're a violent Communist, unlike Sanders who is an actual Socialist and understands supply and demand and the importance of the Nation State as vehicle for prosperity. "All workers are part of the global working class, and the working class must protect its own against the provocations of its enemies." I doubt you know any workers.
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  16. Mya Graves. FDR. for reference concerning the banning of foreign nationals travelling to the US. Several other precedents, Kennedy and the Eastern Bloc+Cuba... Other earlier examples pertaining the prevention of entry by subjects/citizens from Imperial Germany, The Austro-Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Empire and Manchu China. All done by unilaterally by the executive. Precedens in legality of said order. I personally think it is ineffectual and pointless to ban people from entering based on the present list, banning Saudis from entering would have the desired effect in decreasing the risks from radicalised alienated Muslims.
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  17. Korgull. Let's take the many identity groups that prop up the two parties. On the right we have the Christian Right, The Tiki Torch crowd, Cubans, Conservative jews and that's about it. These groups have Nationalism as the cohesive. On the left we have a giant swarm, there's the LBGTQ(with assorted sub-groups), Black Christians, Reformed jews, Orthodox jews, the minority Ethnics(Greeks, Irish, Italians, etc...mostly lost to the Republicans by now), the Black Power crowd, La Raza, a myriad of immigrant communities from Latin America, Caribbeans(Haitians, Jamaicans etc...), Muslims of all varieties, Feminists and on and on it goes. These groups have no unifying message, there's no cohesion except not liking the other guys. Now which major segments are not represented at all in either party at all, Agnostics, Deist, Atheists, moderate Christians, moderates of any of the groups listed above, A fuckload of other groups who are completely left out of the conversation and shockingly the single largest community of all, the Catholics. Why are these groups excluded from the conversation, the answer is really simple, these groups are by far the most diverse and tolerant people around. This is your silent majority, this is where the shitposters who mock everyone else because they consider themselves to be first and foremost as individuals come from.
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  18. Korgull. And ffs, you're asking people to take what little they have and just roll over die because automation, people need work, to pay bills, to fix shit etc... Because you gobbled up Marx for lunch and came out believing in utopia for the upper middle class as a cure for boredom ain't going to gain you any friends.
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  19. P Leff. Has to be done, it's not like media is doing it, they are busy selling fear 24/7
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  20. Korgull. You're evading again, I'm not defending the right at all and I'm asking you a simple question which you cannot answer because it would deconstruct the giant word salad palace like a diamond bullet to a block of ice. Why do you prop up the status quo by dividing people into groups that cannot hold or have a unified belief except the we are not the other guys, this entire thing you just wrote is just a wordy protracted version of that idiotic slogan. Oh btw the right admits class exists and to claim otherwise would be frankly a bit of a lie.
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  21. Korgull. "And where the hell do you get off claiming that I think the working class should just roll over and die? Fuck no, the working class must reignite its radicalism, the same radicalism that saw it, on numerous occasion, get into armed confrontations with the pigs and statist forces that exist to protect capital. The working class should never roll over and die, but they should not waste their time on inconsequential things like immigration. Their enemy is capitalism and those who support it, it is capitalism that makes immigration and automation a threat when they could be a boon. Capitalism must be the main focus of working class anger." Both are a pretty big deal to people who aren't technocrats or involved in the social sciences, I imagine if there suddenly were a large influx of migrants who had those skills that the mood would drastically change in the sociology department concerning immigration, the same goes for the various highly paid technical fields.
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  22. Korgull. "look at the other guys"? It's a DNC slogan. The working class to which I belong is concerned with these issues, war(we are the ones who go to war), wages(supply and demand, hence hostile to unfettered immigration), corruption, infrastructure and reforming education and healthcare. The left is focusing on wages being too low, the left doesn't oppose war, immigration, is unwilling to truly combat corruption, seems unwilling to actually allow for leadership to emerge that will put forth an infrastructure program and with regards to healthcare and education the left seems unable to truly reform either. 800 fools with tiki torches isn't a problem anybody really cares about.
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  23. Korgull. "I said it was stupid to focus especially on immigration, because immigration can be beneficial to the working class cause: the more workers there are, the more power the workers have. I did the exact opposite of telling them to roll over, I am giving advice on how the working class can strengthen itself to fight." Are you delusional?, you do realize that the big boys can hire a load of illegal immigrants, have a friendly ICE agent on the take as their own private bogeyman to keep the illegals in line and then fire every single non illegal immigrant or native born worker and this happens quite often. Are you not familiar with supply and demand at all?
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