Comments by "No One" (@joermundgand) on "Why the poorest county in West Virginia has faith in Donald Trump | Anywhere but Washington" video.

  1. What is the device you're communicating with others made of, is it steel, copper, glass, how are these things made, is a blast furnace utilized, the cement in your domicile, the drywall, how is it made, is a blast furnace utilized. What powers a blast furnace, is it A: Unicorn meat. B: Regulations for the conformity of public parks in Sheboygan. C: Coal.
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  2. Her plan was to close the mines, pretend to care and create a few feel good projects to show the rubes along the coast that she cared, then the state would be even more depopulated, her friends in fracking would buy up mineral rights and poison the water table even more, you're deceiving yourself if you thinks that isn't what would happen.
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  3. These people work as hard as you do, they are literally no different from you, it's divide and conquer, two corrupt monsters are whispering lies and each group has their very own monster.
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  4. The Democrats did nothing for them, in fact the Democrats deliberately left them to die and now you are surprised that they refuse to simply die and react with irrational anger against those who abandoned them.
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  5. Lizzie Beth. No I'm manifestly not, you desire this to be about race, it isn't, it's about poverty, I really don't care about their skin color, I see poor desperate people with no hope.
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  6. kellibomb. Windmill and solar plants are made from steel, aluminium, copper, plastic, glass and other materials, Steel requires coal to manufacture, so does aluminium and glass, copper needs coal to remove impurities(smelters), a coal free world isn't going to happen any time soon, it's true that we no longer require coal to power our homes, but to produce a whole range of products we still need coal.
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  7. Lizzie Beth. Both political parties depend on racism, without racism a third of the voters for both parties would realize a simple truth, that they are poor and that they have more in common with other who are poor than they have with those who have more, you ever notice that the same people who declare they aren't bigoted are always willing to villify the poor, the dems villify these people and the reps, well you know how they operate.
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  8. The leaked correspondence reveals that she wasn't entirely truthful about solar power jobs, in fact she was aiming to increase fracking instead.
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  9. Yeah, So am I, they have nobody to vote for and the Dems aren't going out of their way to get their vote.
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  10. Dr. Marti Wolfe. The sun and the wind are free! The components needed to manucture a wind mill or a solar panel requires the use of a blast furnace in order to create them. Coal is used in said blast furnace, the average wind mill needs to be in continual use for twenty years in order to be carbon neutral, any replacement of components adds to this time, the equation for solar panels is even more abysmal. Which is why the coal used in the manufacture of wind mills and solar panels should be extracted as close as possible to the manufacturer. Otherwise it renders the exercise even more futile.
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  11. Phil Turner. She never donated to any charities, instead the charity she and her husband runs spends less than 8% percent on charitable endeavours, in fact her own daughter tried to clean up the corrupt mess and was ousted by her mom.
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  12. Now imagine her being black or brown, perhaps that will reignite your compassion.
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  13. Lizzie Beth. I read your entire tirade again and you do realize that can be applied to any group of poor people who are told to revile other poor people...
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  14. Lizzie Beth. Listen hon, I did something very few people even bother to do, I compared the poor by race to the prison population by race, it's a exact match.
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  15. Lizzie Beth. Which means that the deciding factor for who goes to jail is poverty. Poverty is generational, you will most likely die poor if you are born poor.
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  16. Lizzie Beth. I'll help you out. Poverty by race total US. 22.5% of all white persons. 44.0% of all black persons. 33.4% of all Hispanic persons. Compare to prison population.
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  17. aimee novo. No money, no opportunities, finita commedia. White privilege is a myth, money isn't.
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  18. Phil Turner. Was the other candidate born poor? Is the other candidate poor, they simply didn't have anybody to vote for, how many do you think didn't vote at all because they're disgusted with both options.
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  19. Phil Turner. I'm truly sorry, I take no joy in this, once upon a time I was naive like you.
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  20. Phil Turner. Relevant for what kind of neighbourhood Park Ridge is, ask a Chicagoan about Park Ridge, when Hillary grew up there it was 99.9% white, wealthiest neighbourhood in Chicago. According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $91,674. $100,000, the top twenty percent.
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  21. Has he started any wars? I don't like the man or his policies, especially his economic policies, but has he started any wars?
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  22. Buddy Cooper. Think before you write.
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  23. Buddy Cooper. There it is, the socially acceptable hate, politically correct hate, the problem is what is considered PC today may be considered a mortal sin tomorrow. Mocking and villifying the poor, the middle class never fails to disappoint. "I don't smoke meth or do heroin and I have all my teeth so I'd not fit in very well with your kind."
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  24. Outsourcing, the Walmart economy, thanks to the Clintons, architects of the disaster.
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  25. True.
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  26. Are you aware how these people are blamed by other people for their problems, it's the good old divide and conquer, don't blame the man in a mansion, blame other poor people, you probably blame these people, they blame you and others like you, may I suggest that you look to the people who actually allowed the US manufacturing base to vanish.
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  27. Geography is not the problem anymore due to technology, the lack of infrastructure investment is, build highspeed railroads and watch the space develop, West Virginia has a similar topography to Switzerland, just like Switzerland it is a mountaineous region surrounded by agricultural prime real estate.
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  28. Lizzie Beth. It's a lot easier to change someones mind if they are not afraid of the future.
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  29. Lizzie Beth. Yeah, you really gotta wonder why a million sociologists haven't done what is simple math, why don't you do it, take the total number of poor by race in percentages and then match that with prison population in percentages by race, why haven't a single politician from either party done was is incredibly simple maths. I did this with five states, Maryland, Maine, Iowa, Alabama, Alaska, in every instance the same was true, a exact match.
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  30. You won't get an update because the people have gotten a raise and unemployment is down, the Guardian won't report good news that doesn't fit the narrative.
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  31. Hillary Clinton net worth, Hillary Clinton is an American politician who has a net worth of $45 million. I suppose you think that that's pocket change and she could relate, who the hell are you kidding here but yourselves, rich vs rich and the poor are given scraps.
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  32. Phil Turner. Her own memoirs dude, her dad owned several textile factories, she's never donated any money to charity, others have given her money which she then distributed. Donald Trump born wealthy as hell, one step above Hillary, but neither of them were middle class at birth, they were both upper class, Trump's dad was ultra rich, Hillary's dad was merely rich.
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  33. Phil Turner. Last census, The racial makeup of the city was 95.4% White, 0.2% African American, 0.06% Native American, 2.66% Asian, 0.05%, this place is whiter than Iowa, it's whiter than Iowa in Chicago, think about it.
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  34. Phil Turner. According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the US was $58,149
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  35. Buddy Cooper. I'm paying attention, I think the word war is being used far too much to describe events. War is pure horror, it's the worst possible thing you can imagine and then some. The impetus to roll back the clock is due to people being poor and only having the church to maintain any sense of community, create prosperity and social cohesion if you want that impetus to fail, I certainly do want to roll back the clock, I want to see a bright new tomorrow. Iran is an ally of Russia, any country that attacks Iran will attack Russia, Putin is the leader of Russia and Trump cannot be an ally of Putin if he starts a war with Iran, Russia and ultimately China, they are geopolitical allies. Therefore I can ascertain that you haven't thought things through.
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  36. Max Johnson. He's an old man, he's never met a journalist, he speaks with thick dialect, try to understand the man, to him Obama seemed like the right guy to vote for, he promised to help his family and friends, his pronounciation wouldn't be so good and therefore he wouldn't want to become an object of ridicule for saying it wrong.
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  37. Here we are 30 years into the second gilded age, thanks Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump.
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  38. Honesty First.Correct.
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  39. Bob, they can't afford Obamacare.
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  40. Exactly Bob, which means that Obama broke his promise to these people which was universal healthcare, they have nobody to vote for, so they vote out of anger and spite.
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  41. Ob Fuscated. Which is why it is the responsibility of the state to make sure that infrastructure is developed to tie areas beyond the coast into the network, this was done in the past and the US became the richest nation on Earth due to the state sponsoring the construction of railroads and roads. The other option is to allow the coastal areas to become overpopulated sprawls with very little infrastructure beyond what services the immediate short term needs of overseas investors.
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  42. Lizzie Beth. I did precisely that unless you think the White Elephant is Siddhartha. Do racists exist? Absolutely. Are most people racist? Absolutely not. For all I know you might be a racist, you probably aren't, but no matter, racism is the only reason anybody would want to vote for either corrupt political party, fear of the other is the only reason for doing so.
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  43. Dr. Marti Wolfe. Ignore the anti semite.
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  44. David Appleton. Hillary was born rich, her dad owned several textile factories, the argument is that a rich person can't relate to a poor person, I agree, neither of them have ever known nothing but wealth.
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  45. Chet Simmons. Correct and they are both being deceived by the party they vote for.
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  46. Chet Simmons. I want you to keep in mind that you are attacking the republicans and defending the democrats, I'm attacking both. And no slavery wasn't so long ago because poverty is generational, just like these people in West virginia were shafted, they were born poor because they have been shafted for generations, does this sound familiar, the only time both the democrats and republicans were afraid of losing power was when MLK started his poor peoples campaign for all poor people and bang, a man under constant FBI surveillance was shot by an armed man who got past all the FBI agents.
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  47. kellibomb. We could use more natural gas, but that means more fracking. Pick one.
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  48. Phil Turner. In 1960 the population was 32,625, with 99.9% of the population white. There were five African-Americans and 31 people classed other than black or white.
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  49. Buddy Cooper. You just can't help yourself can you, I bet you pretend that there are some poor people you like.
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  50. Correct.
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  51. Nothing, just like he did nothing for the people in Lousiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Arizona, Pennsylvania etc...
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  52. Ronan Gallagher. Geordie Shore, The only way is Essex.
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  53. According to you these people have some sort of privilege.
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  54. RealityIsTheNow. Would you at least acknowledge that you would never describe the inhabitants of a Navajo reservation or the people of Detroit as being responsible for their own situation in this manner, you do realize that until quite recently these people voted Democrat, soon the people of Detroit won't vote Democrat either because they too have been abandoned by those who were supposed to defend their interests.
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  55. P WHALES. You're just another racist.
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  56. SHERMAN YOUNG, James Green, Dee B. Morons.
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  57. And he gave him nothing, instead he was labelled privileged, imagine the rage this old timer feels.
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  58. But remember, he's supposed to racist.
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  59. Andrew Kuhn. Correct
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  60. ellisa. Better give them some affirmative action then or is that a no whites allowed club?
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  61. Nia Imani-Diarra. They were born poor and poverty unsurprisingly is generational.
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  62. 0okamino. Then the actual left should make that publicly known and tell the fake left to jump off a cliff.
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  63. Mas Dragnil. That is far too simple, the average income of Republican voters is higher due to a variety of reasons, California has the greatest income disparity in the Union, those educated in the humanities tend to vote Democrat, in the technical fields it is an even split.
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  64. Here it is, hatred for the poor, the PC version.
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  65. Nigel Deans. Natural gas can be used, how is natural gas transported, pipelines or tankers, do they pollute, how is it extracted, is it possible to extract the needed natural gas without using fracking, so if fracking isn't to be used it has to be purchased from abroad and from whom, is it wise to depend on Saudi Arabia or Qatar for natural gas, how much fuel is expended transporting it, natural gas blast furnaces are used to smelt recycled material, they are not efficient enough to be used in primary manufacturing.
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  66. Mad Poet Society. Obviously you haven't read this thread.
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  67. Now imagine the backlash if you recommended any other group of people to the same.
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  68. Shane Osborne. The plan was as you say to shut down coal mining in West Virginia and replace it with fracking. That was the plan, pump the water table full of carcinogens, best part about the plan was that there are no cause celebre native Amrericans for Hollywood and NGO's to rally around against fracking. She really cared so much about the people of WV that she would replace black lung afflicting miners with cancer for everyone.
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  69. Kansas Steak.
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  70. Kansas.
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  71. W K. And building proper physical infrastructure, West Virginia is right next to Virginia, wealthy prosperous Virginia which is full of overpaid lobbyists and consultants.
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  72. It has rivers, but in their infinite wisdom the permanent bureaucracy has allowed the river transport network to fall into ruin.
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  73. Roberta Gabor. What is the petrodollar? why is it called the petrodollar?
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  74. Anna Draper would never use that kind language when describing people who aren't white.
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  75. Anna Draper. Would you use the same language when describing people living in the Mississippi Delta or in the Navajo reservations in Arizona or New Mexico, I doubt that you would do that.
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  76. Ana Draper. That's because you are upper middle class, the story of Siddhartha explains why you have a hard time being compassionate towards the poor.
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  77. Anna Draper. And why was that possible for Trump, think about it, who has run the department of education for a solid fifty years, I read a mail written by a political strategist that explains why it has come to this quite well. "Dear John: Well, we all thought the big problem for our US democracy was Citizens United/Koch Brothers big money in politics. Silly us; turns out that money isn't all that important if you can conflate entertainment with the electoral process. Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we're off and running. JFK, Jr would be delighted by all this as his "George" magazine saw celebrity politics coming. The magazine struggled as it was ahead of its time but now looks prescient. George, of course, played the development pretty lightly, basically for charm and gossip, like People, but what we are dealing with now is dead serious. How does this get handled in the general? Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging. Rubio's press conference yesterday AM was good and should be repeated in its entirety, not just in nibbles. I will attend the Clinton fundraiser here next week but as I can only afford the low level of participation may just get to wave without a "hello." I fear we are all now trying to navigate a set of forces that cannot be simply explained or fully understood, so it is and will reamin interesting! Sent with a handshake, Bill"
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  78. Anna Draper. "And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry."
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  79. Anna Draper. "The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly." The citizens of an empire must be kept in the dark, they would revolt if they were to be informed about the price of empire, instead the poor are taught to hate other poor and the upper middle class is taught to revile the poor.
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  80. Anna Draper. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is a six-volume work by the English historian Edward Gibbon. Should be taught to every child.
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  81. They don't, they know that Corporations import people who will work as de facto slaves rendering it impossible for their children and their grand children to survive.
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  82. The Sky Is falling. Ah, Lizzie Beth's mirror image.
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  83. That seems quite reasonable considering the heavily militarized police force.
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  84. Dr. Marti Wolfe. True, if an alternative to the blast furnace has been invented you would be correct, no alternative has been invented yet, it is cheaper for mining companies to import coal from third World countries, usually by ship, these vessels use oil, very ecological.
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  85. West coasting. Freedom for all, people to be treated as individuals, not as faceless units. I'm so tired of being called evil because I refuse to judge people by group.
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  86. GoldenState. And why do you embrace hate.
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  87. And the Guardian has now made sure that comments are displayed at random, can't have people see this perfectly rational idea.
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  88. Cheryl H. She needs to go away and you need to stop defending her, the fact that Trump is a "villain" doesn't make Hillary a "saint". I'm seriously not going to advocate for the lesser evil, because the lesser evil is always someones greater evil.
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  89. Much like the Democrats exploit their poor voters, empty promises.
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  90. Meanwhile the coal mines in Chile is running at maximum production capacity and the wages are abysmal. Free markets for the win and you get to "feel" like the industry that makes the manufacture of steel and aluminium possible is dying.
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  91. GeekBoy03. Selling influence and favors, both Democrats and Republicans do that, but she didn't start with nothing.
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  92. Dee B. Wtf is wrong with you.
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  93. Chet Simmons. Please try again, what I did was rude, but it was necessary, five years is nothing when you are talking about a trend.
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  94. Chet Simmons. That's true about the republicans, the dems however supported importing labor from abroad which made unions unfeasible, they also supported tax breaks for corporations, especially big pharma, big media and big tech, which is why the favorite tax haven for such corpoartions is Delaware. The Dems never supported healthcare for all, the affordable care act isn't healthcare for all, it's healthcare for the upper middle class, the poor can't afford it. The dems are also supporting discrimination, the bill that is causing all of the things you mention was passed in 1996, it was a part of the crime bill. That was back when someone dubbed black kids superpredators.
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  95. Chet Simmons. Are you getting it yet, both parties profit from hate, without hate nobody would vote for them.
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  96. Chet Simmons. Written by poster D Bee in this thread, this is the hate that the Democrats depend on to win elections. "These neanderthugs are privileged enuf to get my tax dollars to pay for their welfare and meth clinics. They are privileged enuf to be criminals and thieves and drug addicts and pedophiles and the cops NEVER ARREST or hassle them.. They are privileged enuf to be felons and STILL ALLOWED to be armed to the teeth and vote.. yeah their trash are beyond privileged only due to their unwashed ruddy ugly skin." In the same thread there's the hate Republicans depend on to win elections by Andreana Calhoun. "and the ghetto lazy baby momma crack heads have the same privilege."
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  97. Chet Simmons. That is simply untrue, you've been lied to, the 110th and 111th congress had a dem majority, they could have passed any bill they wanted to pass, it's incredible they were able to sell that fiction to people, then again big tech, big media and big pharma owns them and big media gave them cover to get away with it. They had the legislature and the executive, they could have passed medicare for all, instead they blamed the opposition who couldn't have blocked universal healthcare, had their allies in the media deceive the public and had big pharma write the affordable care act. "like taking away regulations of wall street which led to the big crash" The Glass–Steagall which regulated Wall Street was revoked under Clinton with bipartisan support. Both parties have their wealthy backers, the republicans are dependent on old fashioned industry support, miming, oil, manufacturing. Both parties are supported by the financial sector.
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  98. Chet Simmons. And remember, cartels have a lot of money(from trafficking drugs and people, some of the people they traffic are from Honduras, like the little girl at the border), somebody gotta launder them into clean dollars, I wonder who does that, perhaps Wall Street does it, a nice off shore affiliate puts the dirty cartel money into real estate and stock and then presto, the cartels have clean money, the banks collect fees and interest and the Democrats and Republicans get donations from the banks.
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  99. Chet Simmons. And when the Honduran government is finally ousted by the people of Honduras and if a coup to once more install the same old same old fails, at that point there's a bonus round for both parties and for their corporate backers, they'll start a war to stop whomever is saying enough is enough in Honduras and who will the soldiers be, they'll be poor boys from West Virginia or from South Side Chicago.
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  100. RK807. Oh ffs.
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  101. yaggyplantationproductions. Lower levels of sulfur, higher levels of methane in Wyoming coal, more greenhouse gasses released or more sulphur to cause a higher degree of particle pollution, pick one calamity, coal is also imported by ship, it's cheaper, then there's strip mining, incredibly harmful to the Powder River basin.
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  102. VeganMarcella andMore. They used be in charge, they ruined the place, it makes no difference, there's only one political party, the money party, you ain't a member.
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  103. All that has been done is this, factory jobs have been outsourced, in essence poor people far away now die in factory out of sight. Same with the mines.
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  104. They know he's a huckster, but what choice do they have, vote for the other side who has left them to die in the mud, so in rage and spite they vote for the huckster in sheer desperation and defiance.
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  105. Paternalism.
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  106. You're getting it, too bad most lefties don't.
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  107. Goldenstate. They were never gone, the coal was merely extracted outside the US and transported by those oil burning vessels to the US.
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  108. "new natural gas" Hey kids of West Virginia, do you like even more cancer, vote for either candidate, it doesn't matter, all on offer is cancer.
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  109. bonajab. Public and private position, her campaign talked a good game, but on her campaign website they proposed the use of domestically extracted natural gas instead of coal, that means fracking, lots of fracking and lots of carcinogens in the water table.
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  110. Remember, these people have some sort of "privilege".
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