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Miguel Janerios. The propaganda part is true, the Russians would do that, Here's the kicker, so did China, France, the UK, India, Japan, Germany, Brazil and friggin Norway.
But there's no proof that the Russians hacked anything except the report from Crowdstrike, a report that has been retracted and the report itself was ordered by the DNC and no law enforcement official or cyber expert outside of Crowdstrike has been able to substantiate the report because only Crowdstrike had access to the DNC servers, Crowdstrike is btw owned by a large Clinton donor.
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RandomGuy7092. You didn't have access to free healthcare before, you don't have access to it now, Clinton would have discreetly dismantled social security, Trump is attempting to do it in a manner akin to deaf mute pianist with parkinsons.
Nobody deserves to die, yet death is certain, we live in a universe which is in terminal decay, get used to it.
You have the illusion of choice, you're just pissed off about your illusions being shattered, take a deep breath, go outside, enjoy life, be kind to others, if you can't do that you need a psychiatrist.
Obviously you're not a Robin Williams fan.
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QuinnOMatic. Society is an organic stucture, adaptive, not easily manipulated and some things would require immense technological advances in order to change it, what you studied disguised as gender studies was sociology, a soft science, what you should have studied in order to understand the subject matter is Psychiatry and Biology, congratulations, you've wasted several years of your life studying the wrong subject.
Each human being is limited, these limitations are among other things based on biology, a person who's bound to a wheelchair from birth due to a genetic defect is limited, if that person is born female then that individual is even more limited physically in general due to a lower average upper body strength potential, society didn't dictate this, biology did and no amount of navel gazing will change this, a technological solution will however change this sad state of affairs for that individual.
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SaintHeartwing. Yes the Reps kill you with a sneer, the Dems kill you with smile, once a Dem get in power they enact the same economic policies, it is known.
PS: Obama could have closed Gitmo using an executive order, he didn't, he could have enacted immigration reform, he didn't, he could have enacted universal healthcare, he didn't, he could have enacted voter ID laws on a federal level, he didn't.
He could have done this under the 110th and 111th congress when the Dems had a majority, he didn't because he serves the banks and the multinational corporations.
He could have using executive fiat to hit every last giant corporation and bank with anti trust like the wrath of god, he didn''t, Citi group owned him, Wall Street owned him...
Hillary would have been another Obama, full of sweet nothings...
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The boy who cried wolf effect, the left cried wolf for too long, now the wolf is here and they don't know what to do, Latin America is lost to the left, corruption, weird ideological stupidity and a inability to exert meaningful change has caused this, democracy works if there's a loyal opposition, in Latin America the opposition is no longer loyal, I kinda get why, in the US the opposition is lost in conspiracy theories and crying wolf.
Damn I'm happy that I'm a Dane, we had this fight 20 years ago, we are already in the new paradigm.
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QuinnOMatic. All dictators were male, nice historical revisionism, Catherine the Great, Elizabeth the first, Maria di Medici, Isabella of Aragon, Margrethe the First, Empress Maria Theresa, Empress Dowager Cixi, Benazir Bhutto, Evita Peron...
Rene Scherer was written out of the post modernist history, he was quite famous in the seventies, major intellectuals came to his defense and defended pedophilia in writing and speech, including Foucault, Camus and Derrida, left wing news papers in France and Britain made passionate defenses of pedophilia, right on the front page, they did this due to intersectionalism, the bastard stepchild of relativism.
I think I understand third way feminism quite well, ignorance is bliss for the peons, can't have anybody see this shit can we.
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Pridetoons Reviews No impact on our current political landscape you say..
Poverty is a hard thing to overcome, most poor are born poor and die poor.
Poverty is generational, regardless of whether you're poor white, brown or black this fact remains.
Those are sad facts of life.
Democrats still engage in paternalism, they merely decided to have a new group to treat as voter cattle, in this conservatives have a valid point.
What is even more amoral on the part of the so called limousine Liberal is that they are actively courting a new group, the so called Latinos, unfortunately for them this group is not a unified group, but a number of different nationalities, there is would you not agree some difference between Dominicans, Argentinians, Peruvians and Mexicans, to claim otherwise would be insulting to them.
Therefore the label Latino is a fallacy, much like the label European, African or Asian is.
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Lobos222
Your entire rant contained no shred of any rationality or coherent argument, I feel sullied by reading it, Kant and Wittgenstein are turning in their respectives graves for this assault on reasoning and rationality
I don't care about sides buddy, just practical solutions, how long ago is it that I responded to your rambling rant, pretty long ago, glad to see you did some fact checking, see the little time stamps for my replies, I must be a speed reader extraordinaire to compile knowledge that fast.
"Noticing the multi response and their timings its pretty evident that you used Google AFTER I told you about it. Which kind verifies the point I was making... That is, apart from the obvious that you focus more on the example I used to enhance the point I was making rather than the actual point, if you got that at all." What is it twelve hours later before you reply, goddamn son you're slow thinker, bye bye now.
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sk8chrissupras Still you did not address the most important point, oil is killing us all, no amount of illusion can hide that fact, we are run on oil, we need it and it's killing us all, no rhetorical flourish can save us all from the ugly truth.
In the end the few and powerful will flee to armed compounds in the mountains where they will think themselves safe and as they get to that palace of gold the thought to be sanctuary. Then they too will learn to their horror what price there is to pay. Their own loyal praetorians will either abandon them to spend time with those they love and the rest will act much like faithless guards have done in the past.
Technology pushes oblivion ahead and keeps it always just around the corner, but oblivion inches ever closer and our technology is failing to keep ahead..
Without an answer, a means to provide an abundance of energy to replace fossils soon, and not just for energy purposes, but also in every commodity from the mundane to the most exotic. Without that it will all fall away like a sand castle struck by a wave, slowly at the bulwarks at first, then the walls crumble, the towers fall and like a child seeing their first sand castle ruined by the sea even the calmest and coolest minds will grasp at nothing and weep.....
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Prof. Genki Especially this part contradicts Marxist ideas.
The common denominator of all Grundtvig's pedagogical efforts was to promote a spirit of freedom, poetry and disciplined creativity, within all branches of educational life. He promoted values such as wisdom, compassion, identification and equality. He opposed all compulsion, including exams, as deadening to the human soul. Instead Grundtvig advocated unleashing human creativity according to the universally creative order of life. Only willing hands make light work. Therefore, a spirit of freedom, cooperation and discovery was to be kindled in individuals, in science, and in the civil society as a whole.
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Giovanni Figueroa I know you really want to believe that the east was a veritable paradise. But market reforms did not happen immediately, nor was the governments overthrown on the very day the Iron curtain fell. I went there just immediately after to see how things were.
Both sides in the Cold war committed acts of genocide, overthrew local rulers, regimes and so on, both sides engaged in support for cruel local tyrants who sought to gain favor as to remain power, those wars were not fought for world revolution by the Communists, they were fought to control strategic resources and commercial choke points.
A case in point of how little the ideology of the regime had on the different actors foreign policies are the overthrow of the Greek monarchy by the CIA or the Chinese invasion of Vietnam.
In terms of populations genocided within the different communist regime, do not delude yourself, Tunguts in China, Chechens in the Soviet Union, Hmong in Vietnam, the list is long and to mention all the ethnic groups here would be a very long list.
Then there is off course the persecution of religious groups as forces of the reactionaries which also would take quite a few lines of text to summarise and tally.
Do the secret services in democratic parliamentary system spy and manipulate their own populace for the executive in service of large corporations, yes they do, do the same services run a gigantic network of blackmailed citizens and indoctrinate children to report the thought crimes of their parents, no they don't, but in your Marxist paradise this was and is the case in Cuba, China, North Korea and Vietnam still.
Do we operate a insane system of labor camps and reeducation facilities for political prisoners, no we don't, do we have a prison industrial complex that exploits the labor of petty criminals, yes we do and so did the communists countries but on a far larger scale than you could possibly imagine.
Here's a left wing "hero" explaining the cause of the dumbing down of the populace of the USA, if you require some one to blame for the unenligthened citizenry,blame him and his cohorts as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
As to the point of an exceedingly small number of dissidents you mention being a small number, what precise small number are you talking about, in the real world communists murdered more human beings for the crime of being reactionaries/dissidents/counter revolutionaries than Parliamentarist democracies and Fascist autocrats combined from 1917 to 1990 did in colonial and imperial wars.
Socialist economies did not fail because of embargoes, they did not fail because of lack of resources of any kind, they failed because in a society of enforced equality the exceptional human being is eliminated because that persons mere success proves the fallacy of the model or if such an individual is not murdered it is because he or she conforms and thus automatically neutralises all innovation or technological progress only in the early stages while sufficient intellectual capacity remains can the system survive. This contradiction between the technological requirements for Communism to succeed an its inability to facilitate such progress makes it go into a spiral of stagnation.
After a while arts no longer creates new expressions because any new art would by definition either be complimentary or critical, in the case of complimentary art the problem remains, it does not create a new form of artistic expression, critical art will automatically be considered counter revolutionary in its very nature by the government because any critique by an artist would by a critique of the supposed perfect society and thus exposed the inbuilt flaws of the supposed utopia.
Finally there is the generational psychological impulse of the young to rebel against the old, the gods killing their young in every myth across the globe is no accident, the younger generation has throughout human history rebelled against the old. but how can there be rebellion in paradise and so the communist state again will deem the young counter revolutionaries with predictable homocidal results.
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Fox Ace
A degree of equality, that was my words, complete equality is impossible because and I really have to stress this we are not all identical robots.
Social Darwinism exists whether we like it or not, we can control it's severity to a degree, but people are born with a different set of genes and with a different background based on mainly the factors of geography and wealth.
Murder is a crime.
Bullying is not a crime.
Many things which one individual considers to be criminal are not crimes.
How will you determine what is bullying and what is deserved ridicule.
Or what is just taking the piss or bullying, let's say you have someone like myself, I work as a stonemason, so things are more shall we say rough than for instance a professor in sociology is accustomed to, my everyday vocabulary might seem like bullying to him, should I be penalised for this?
Or in the case were another individual heaps scorn and derision on me for my everyday speech calling me uncouth, should this individual be penalised?
In this world some people are assholes, but most people are not assholes all the time, but almost everyone has at some point been the asshole of the hour.
If you make being an asshole a crime then you will make us all into criminals.
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Fox Ace French revolution, the ideals of liberalism won and lost, liberalism changed to fit reality.
And so did conservatism.
What are the most successful nation states on the planet by the factor of economic equality located and in what context did they come into being.
Advent of the nation state, Bismarck et al
A revolution such as the one Marx imagined can only be successful if the entire planet changes at once, every single individual have to agree, every single group must be convinced of it's merits and that is impossible.
How are services exchanged in Marxism.
With an appeal to altruism!
Answer that, you can't, flaw, followed by break down, followed by coercion followed by totalitarian rule.
Only flawless identical human beings can exist in utopia, we are not without flaw.
We are not identical.
Post scriptum: The history lesson was entirely unnecessary.
Hobsbawm is available for even a humble peon like me.
The Marxists view of history as per usual focus on class without understanding the basic human condition.
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Travis Himebaugh "Can't speak for the others but Scotch identity is in no jeopardy of going extinct. Scottish people of all nations are downright obnoxious about keeping it alive. "
How many Gaelic speakers remain in Scotland, not many, the Scots obsess about their identity because their identity is under a constant assault.
"How is the nation they live in not a nation of their own?"
Kurds are in violent revolt against the governments of the countries they inhabit because their language and customs are declared illegal.
Catalans experienced extreme oppression in Spain many times, the last such period was under Franco and the last they have to tried to become independent was simultaneous to the recent Scottish referendum.
The Scots have a vocal opposition to the Government in Westminster because they claim it is a government that serves the interests of England.
"First of all I am afraid in the name of pedantry I must insist that you use question marks where appropriate. Second of all you keep asking that; just tell me what you're getting at"
Okay, now you are being extremely obtuse, how are you going to replace the nation state without destroying the dominant ethnos in each state?.
"I told you I had no vision of any kind of world like that."
You did exactly that in this sentence below.
"I fail to see how that's relevant. If we know it works in a city, why could the model not simply be applied to American cities with the same result?"
Followed by this retraction below which renders the example of Singapore as a model null and void. Because Singapore as a state has all the power of a state to act independently, something a American metropolis cannot.
" I wasn't suggesting each state become a separate state, just that they adopt Singapore's economic model. "
"That's already the case now. "
Yes and no, the citizens of New York are Americans first and New Yorkers second.
Not vice versa.
"Chaos? Because the United States disbands as a political nation and cities become the new political unit? I hate to break it to you but that's pretty much how the Holy Roman Empire operated and it wasn't exactly total unbridled chaos. "
Thirty Years war, the Hussite revolt, Schmalkaldic league, the Guelphs and the Ghibellines. That was internal strife in the Holy Roman empire with widespread devastation and chaos.
"I think perhaps you meant to use a word like "untenable" or "undesirable"; you have not described any cyclical phenomena so far as I can discern."
The Holy Roman Empire is an excellent example of such fragmentation of the cohesive whole by a new order.
Followed by the creation of another system of states.
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SaintHeartwing. Russia interfered using propaganda, so did Saudi Arabia,. France, Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Brazil, China, India and motherfuckin' Norway.
Russia did however not hack anything, the technical data verifies this fact, all the DNC propaganda can't change that fact.
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Miguel Janerios. No there isn't, the US needs to manufacture enemies in order to create an excuse for the bloated military industrial complex to exist, without these foes of its own making the public will start asking questions.
Besides it would't be expensive to do, the CIA "accidentally" misplaced their hacking tools.
One such tool has the ability mask the source of hack by pretending to be a government actor.
Let's imagine you're Hillary and the email account of your fixer got hacked full of all kinds of juicy details about the corrupt dealings of the Democratic party, how far would you go to avoid people asking questions and who would you ally with...
She tethered herself to the military industrial complex and its neocon advocates for eternal war.
What did they give her and her friends in return, maybe they gave them RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!!.
In return if she won she would give them a war in Syria, boots on the ground boys, we are back in business, flush with cool cash.
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Miguel Janerios. Author of the little tale you linked too. Mariella is a science and technology journalist and blogger with a passion for consumer electronics, emerging science and technologies, and the way they affect people. She enjoys writing, managing teams of writers, polishing and editing other people’s work, and brainstorming content strategy with an editorial team. She’s a team player through and through. Mariella is also proficient in basic HTML and image editing, and has experience working with various content management systems. Her work has been syndicated on Yahoo, MSNBC, USA Today, Mashable, MyLifeScoop, and Saturday Evening Post.
Badabing badaboom, it's the textbook profile of a hack for big tech and the DNC.
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reggie freeborn. Here's what sanctions is going to accomplish, nothing good, the sanctions are already causing some EU nations to be in a state of opposition to Brussels, the sanctions has caused Turkey to de facto be in an alliance with Russia, the sanctions has caused the Chinese and the Indians to ally and cooperate more closely with Russia, the sanctions have increased Chinese investments in Russia, India, Central Asia and East Africa, the santions will eventually cause the development of high tier tech industry in Russia, this is what the idiotic sanctions has and will accomplish, all because the Democrats picked(using every dirty trick to do it) a corrupt inept moron as their candidate and despite all the support from every branch of government and media this candidate lost, then in a epic ass covering exercise the candidate, government and media needed a scapegoat to distract from their utter failure, presto RussiaRussiaRussia.
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reggie freeborn. Take a look on a map of the world, then plot in states which are now vassals of China, Russia or India, then add Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Greece, Italy, Kenya, Tanzania, South Sudan, The Philippines, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Botswana, South Africa, Angola and Uganda to the list of vassals or allies of convenience, there's the result of your sanctions writ large in real politik American Idiot.
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@seanrahman7129 What a nationalist is depends on what the person perceive to be the nation, Gandhi was a nationalist, so was Peron, they existed in the same time period, but their definition of what the nation was very different.
You have different forms of nationalism, Jingoism, civic nationalism, fascism, nativism, you have to define what is what first, Roosevelt was a nationalist, so was Tojo, but how it manifests depends on the nation state traditions, Glenn even made that clear in this vid, Bolsonaro is a Brazillian nationalist with his ideas of what that is rooted in the Brazillian traditions of what constitutes the nation, so it's pardo and everybody fucks everyone producing a new ethnos, that's his idea of nation.
I doubt KKK member would like Bolsonaro's idea of what constitutes the nation, it's traditional catholiscism(not protestantism), language and religion being the demand to be a part of the nation, this is unpalatable to a KKK member, a nazi would find Bolsonaro to be an advocate for a sort of Latin American Uomo Novo, a follower of Coelho would is on the left in Brazil would not be opposed to this idea, it's very confusing to Americans.
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@Lies Bus Who is your saviour, is it mommy Clinton, they hope Daddy Trump will save them, do you not understand how they prey on you too, these ideas of a protector, there are two kinds, the mother a nd th father, you most likely hope for mommy to wipe away you tears, they hope to be told that they are good boy, this is the conswequences of a policy of divisions in order to keep a ship afloat which failed to produce results, hence the panic and the search for a parent.
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@reirei489 i know you hope that Bolsonaro wil restore order, but i'm afraid that the only thing that will restore order is getting accustomed to failure, it sounds strange, but these American children can't help you, they think the World should be fair, it isn't, it never will be, Nirvana never happens, in time Bolsonaro will also fail, what is needed is law, legitimacy and a degree of public trust,the left or the right in Brazil talk of justice, without legitimacy the talk of justice becomes a hammer to squash dissent.
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Jay Rock Jinx. I've seen civil war, I remember how they start, I've seen how empires fall, most people think it won't happen in their lifetime, that it's impossible, you are not exceptional American, you're human, your fellow citizens are human, just like you they can give in to anger, despair and unthinking rage.
I Think your empire is about to fall, the enemy will be your neighbour, in the beginning it will be small events, exodus of certain groups from some regions within the US will be the first sign, then some states will pass laws that contradict federal law(that's already happened), the legislature will become increasingly unable to legislate(already happened), private armies funded by the wealthy will start to operate openly within certain states(which they do right now), militias will be funded by states, cities, regions, political groups, all it will take is a spark, one seemingly banal event.
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Kris S. You're a believer, it seems obvious to you that the opposition is corrupt, incompetent etc...
And you would be correct, but there is one problem, the opposition is also correct when they accuse their opponents of being corrupt, incompetent etc...
The Russian "agent" they had a meeting with is a lawyer who works for Prevezon, a subsidiary of Fusion, who also offered dirt to the Clinton campaign on Trump, Trump Jr said no, the Clinton campaign bought their BS.
In this instance the right was wiser than the left. So who colluded with Russia, both campaigns did, the clinton campaign more so than the Trump campaign. Though in Trumps case it all hinges on the dossier provided to the Clinton campaign by a Russian oligarch.
Now Mueller is indicting Manafort for stuff he did in the Ukraine in 2009, that's fair, he did some shifty shit back then, but he's not indicting him for anything related to Trump, perhaps they are trying to turn him into a witness in a case to prove collusion, perhaps.
On the other hand you have the FBI informant with dirt on the Clintons who's about to testify before congress, perhaps that's legit, perhaps.
The point is that there's no good guys in this fight and if that is the case I would think that both sides corrupt leadership should pay the price, but they won't, in fact in all likelihood neither side will actually see the real culprits suffer any legal ramifications, it's the principle of mutually assured destruction in play for all to see.
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Kris S. Then why this insistence on defending the obvious corrruption in your comment.
"Get the same story (the real one): they did what any fucking campaign would do, and hired an opposition research firm based in Washington."
If Fusion worked as an intermediary to Russia and they knowingly bought info from Russia, that's just a clever cutoff, Trump Jr didn't buy anything, he listened and he didn't for whatever reason buy what was on offer, that's all.
Which is the greater crime, a meeting in which nothing was exchanged or the use of a cutoff in which something was exchanged?
Your beliefs are set, your beliefs are simple, you believe that the right is always worse than the left, without exceptions. This belief is a binary thing.
Will you vote Democrat again, if so why?
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Kris S. Listen, now you're just engaging in setting up a field full of strawmen, the topic was simply, did the Clintons do a quid pro quo in exchange for the dossier, they paid for it, the used it, they own it.
I'm sure you are aware that Fusion leaked the the financials of the deal after being pressured to do so by congress.
The Russian oligarch who owns the companies which crafted the thing is an oligarch, in Russia, which is an oligarchy, in which only oligarchs friendly to the Kremlin can operate, hence it is logical to assume that FSB intelligence got a heads up and helped craft the thing. Unless you think there are any oligarchs in Russia not allied to Putin.
Then there's the whole Uranium One quid pro quo, also something the Clintons and the Democrats own.
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Kris S. The four Straw Knights of the Screechpocalypse
Pulling out of the Paris climate agreement. (a symbolic agreement, a bandaid on a gaping wound, the Paris accords are too little too late, far more dractic measures are needed)
- Censoring the EPA. (which is wrong, but the EPA is also hopelessly corrupt, just do a search of the friendly relationships EPA supervisors have with the fossil fuel companies)
- Not moving towards green climate technologies. (neither would Clinton, profracking, propipeline, pro oil war candidate)
- A possible nuclear war with North Korea. (North Korea rattles their rockets after each election of a new president, do a search, 2008 North Korea, 2000 North Korea etc..
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fl00fydragon. Nuclear winter will affect the entire planet, that includes New Zealand, the radioactive precepitation and the subsequent mass death will also hit the Southern hemisphere.
And then there is the ash particles, imagine no sun light anywhere on Earth for 5 years.
The US imports app. 1 million human beings a year through various means, visas/green cards/illegals etc...
Most of these enter the workforce. The US no longer imports the same amount of highly qualified labor it did in the past, the brain drain as it was known no longer applies to the same degree, purchasing power on US salaries is at this point time quite low and the only industry that still imports highly skilled labor is Silicon Valley, it is no longer attractive for skilled labor to move to the US, wages are low, societal security is abysmal, living expenses are through the roof for those who desire to start a family.
The rest of the World is no longer the World in which the US dominates economically by virtue of not being a bombed out ruin, therefore in the main the US now only attracts people who can perform menial low skilled jobs.
With increased automation these people will become an economic liability in the next 15 years, in the last 20 years the US imported in total 30 million, most of which weren't skilled labor.
All empires rise and fall, it is time to realize that the US has a bloated military for what is in economic terms a regional power in the Western hemisphere.
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