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  384. Fox Ace I was merely pointing out that I in fact live in a functioning very left leaning society, meaning that my experiences validates some of my points about the reality of the supposed ideal Sanders was elevating as the ideal and of how Social Democracy functions in reality. There is empirical proof all the way from the French revolution and onward that the attempt to forcibly change society to an ideological ideal is doomed to failure, hence the tyranny of equality statement. History provides amble proof that the Marxist puritan interpretation without any sound practical real world adaptation is a flawed proposition because Marx only has a sound grasp of economics, not of psychology or sociology. So my cause for concern is based on real World examples of the tyranny of equals. Liberal Socialism is an admixture where the ideologue realises that reality will not conform to the model and changes it in order to create a more fair society without destroying the human desire for individual expression and ambition. They did this because they had the example of the Soviet Union as an deterrent which conclusively proved what an abject failure unmodified dogmatic Marxism is. Yes people can as Individuals off course band together and attempt to create Worker Cooperatives, as early as in the 1820's this happened in Northern Europe based on Liberal economic ideas and Conservative Christian communal theology. Later Socialists did the same and many both right and left wing cooperatives exists and are formed to this day, but once they grow to a certain size the members usually transform them into a publicly traded company and adopt a structure that is familial to the market as a whole. That's allows for the best off both worlds, private and communal enterprise without one excluding the other, the idea is not and has never been in Social Democracy to replace capitalism completely, the fact that capitalism is not without it's merits is acknowledged.
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  386. Giovanni Figueroa I know you really want to believe that the east was a veritable paradise. But market reforms did not happen immediately, nor was the governments overthrown on the very day the Iron curtain fell. I went there just immediately after to see how things were. Both sides in the Cold war committed acts of genocide, overthrew local rulers, regimes and so on, both sides engaged in support for cruel local tyrants who sought to gain favor as to remain power, those wars were not fought for world revolution by the Communists, they were fought to control strategic resources and commercial choke points. A case in point of how little the ideology of the regime had on the different actors foreign policies are the overthrow of the Greek monarchy by the CIA or the Chinese invasion of Vietnam. In terms of populations genocided within the different communist regime, do not delude yourself, Tunguts in China, Chechens in the Soviet Union, Hmong in Vietnam, the list is long and to mention all the ethnic groups here would be a very long list. Then there is off course the persecution of religious groups as forces of the reactionaries which also would take quite a few lines of text to summarise and tally. Do the secret services in democratic parliamentary system spy and manipulate their own populace for the executive in service of large corporations, yes they do, do the same services run a gigantic network of blackmailed citizens and indoctrinate children to report the thought crimes of their parents, no they don't, but in your Marxist paradise this was and is the case in Cuba, China, North Korea and Vietnam still. Do we operate a insane system of labor camps and reeducation facilities for political prisoners, no we don't, do we have a prison industrial complex that exploits the labor of petty criminals, yes we do and so did the communists countries but on a far larger scale than you could possibly imagine. Here's a left wing "hero" explaining the cause of the dumbing down of the populace of the USA, if you require some one to blame for the unenligthened citizenry,blame him and his cohorts as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599 As to the point of an exceedingly small number of dissidents you mention being a small number, what precise small number are you talking about, in the real world communists murdered more human beings for the crime of being reactionaries/dissidents/counter revolutionaries than Parliamentarist democracies and Fascist autocrats combined from 1917 to 1990 did in colonial and imperial wars. Socialist economies did not fail because of embargoes, they did not fail because of lack of resources of any kind, they failed because in a society of enforced equality the exceptional human being is eliminated because that persons mere success proves the fallacy of the model or if such an individual is not murdered it is because he or she conforms and thus automatically neutralises all innovation or technological progress only in the early stages while sufficient intellectual capacity remains can the system survive. This contradiction between the technological requirements for Communism to succeed an its inability to facilitate such progress makes it go into a spiral of stagnation. After a while arts no longer creates new expressions because any new art would by definition either be complimentary or critical, in the case of complimentary art the problem remains, it does not create a new form of artistic expression, critical art will automatically be considered counter revolutionary in its very nature by the government because any critique by an artist would by a critique of the supposed perfect society and thus exposed the inbuilt flaws of the supposed utopia. Finally there is the generational psychological impulse of the young to rebel against the old, the gods killing their young in every myth across the globe is no accident, the younger generation has throughout human history rebelled against the old. but how can there be rebellion in paradise and so the communist state again will deem the young counter revolutionaries with predictable homocidal results.
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  495. Travis Himebaugh "Can't speak for the others but Scotch identity is in no jeopardy of going extinct. Scottish people of all nations are downright obnoxious about keeping it alive. " How many Gaelic speakers remain in Scotland, not many, the Scots obsess about their identity because their identity is under a constant assault. "How is the nation they live in not a nation of their own?" Kurds are in violent revolt against the governments of the countries they inhabit because their language and customs are declared illegal. Catalans experienced extreme oppression in Spain many times, the last such period was under Franco and the last they have to tried to become independent was simultaneous to the recent Scottish referendum. The Scots have a vocal opposition to the Government in Westminster because they claim it is a government that serves the interests of England. "First of all I am afraid in the name of pedantry I must insist that you use question marks where appropriate. Second of all you keep asking that; just tell me what you're getting at" Okay, now you are being extremely obtuse, how are you going to replace the nation state without destroying the dominant ethnos in each state?. "I told you I had no vision of any kind of world like that." You did exactly that in this sentence below. "I fail to see how that's relevant. If we know it works in a city, why could the model not simply be applied to American cities with the same result?" Followed by this retraction below which renders the example of Singapore as a model null and void. Because Singapore as a state has all the power of a state to act independently, something a American metropolis cannot. " I wasn't suggesting each state become a separate state, just that they adopt Singapore's economic model. " "That's already the case now. " Yes and no, the citizens of New York are Americans first and New Yorkers second. Not vice versa. "Chaos? Because the United States disbands as a political nation and cities become the new political unit? I hate to break it to you but that's pretty much how the Holy Roman Empire operated and it wasn't exactly total unbridled chaos. " Thirty Years war, the Hussite revolt, Schmalkaldic league, the Guelphs and the Ghibellines. That was internal strife in the Holy Roman empire with widespread devastation and chaos. "I think perhaps you meant to use a word like "untenable" or "undesirable"; you have not described any cyclical phenomena so far as I can discern." The Holy Roman Empire is an excellent example of such fragmentation of the cohesive whole by a new order. Followed by the creation of another system of states.
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