Comments by "No One" (@joermundgand) on "EXPLAINED: Why Flint's Pipes Are STILL a Toxic Mess" video.
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"After a whole load of people died, and what of the people who didn't engage in protest against the injustice perpetuated on them were they worthy of death? Granted I'm not arguing that resistance doesn't get things done eventually, and for those that engage in this it's commendable."
Freedom is not free. If you want it you have to prepared that you may suffer and lose, but stagnation and apathy never got anybody anywhere.
"With that said you're compliant, to an extent everyone is, have you ever paid taxes? Ever thought this is a stupid rule but still followed it for fear of penalty."
That depends, do your leaders fear you or do you fear your leaders.
"There's a moral grey area there of course when it comes to complying with orders that directly hurt others, with that said the Milgram experiment and others like it show how easy it is for people to follow orders regardless of whether they're a good person or not."
They complied without thinking, good or evil has no role in this.
"People are easily manipulated, yes the way forward is though people waking up and fighting back I never said it wasn't but not everyone is a warrior, for those who are too cowardly, ignorant or working 3 jobs to keep their families from starving or to pay off medical bills to stay alive do they really deserve scorn? I'll admit I find your perspective interesting if not a little coldblooded."
That is because they are told that there is no choice, that it is fate, that things bigger than them has power over their ability to chose and so they comply and become obedient.
You know you can chose, when you know this you are free.
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slothkingn1. "How is it ignoring free will to acknowledge that people are born into different circumstances? How is it someone's fault if their parents are ignorant. Nice resorting to petty insults when someone doesn't agree with you. I'm not arguing that it's impossible for the working class to beat the odds, serfs in England did the same, with that said those circumstances are entirely different and even then it was neigh impossible people were sent to Australia in prison ships for agitating. "
And they kept fighting and in the end they won.
"My point being that you're awfully judgemental of the people who aren't taking back their society should everyone be a whistle-blower or an activist what about people with kids? "
Then they chose a dismal future for their children.
"Choice undeniably exists within these structures but usually changing society demands self sacrifice and even then you're not assured that you will win. "
If you chose not to fight you will never win.
"You say I totally ignore free will, but again you're completely ignoring everything besides an individual's choices it's like the assumption that as long as there's choices it's your fault whatever happens to you happens to you. "
You are aware that you have choice, you make choices every day either to comply or disobey, compliance is a child of fear, disobedience is a child of hope.
To comply is to obey.
This is from the Iliad, it's about choice.
"So they entreated their dear son with tears. But all their earnest pleas could not change Hector’s mind, and he waited on great Achilles’ advance. Like a snake in the hills, full of venom due to the toxic herbs it eats, that glares balefully and writhes inside its hole, waiting as some man approaches, so Hector held his ground, filled with latent power, his bright shield resting on a jutting outwork. But his proud thoughts were troubled: ‘Alas, if I retreat through the gate, to the safety of the wall, Polydamas will not be slow to reproach me, since he advised me to withdraw our forces to the city, on that fatal night when Achilles re-appeared. I refused, though it may have been better! Now, in my folly, having brought us to the brink of ruin, I’d be ashamed to hear some insignificant Trojan, or his long-robed wife, say: ‘Hector has brought ruin on the army, trusting too much in his own right arm.’ If that’s what they’ll say, then I’d be better by far to meet Achilles face to face and kill him before returning to the city, or die gloriously beneath its walls. Of course, I could ditch the bossed shield and heavy helmet, lean my spear on the wall, and go and promise peerless Achilles to return Helen and her treasure to the Atreidae, all that Paris brought in the hollow ships to Troy, to begin this strife. I could say too that we’ll then divide all the remaining treasure in the city, and then induce the Elders to state on oath that they’ll conceal no part of that treasure, but grant half of all the lovely city holds. But what’s the point of such thoughts? I’ll not approach him like a suppliant only to have him show neither mercy nor respect, but kill me out of hand, stripped of my armour and defenceless as a woman. This is no lover’s tryst of lad and lass, by oak or rock! Lad and lass, indeed! Better to meet in bloody combat, now, and see to whom Zeus grants the glory!"
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