Comments by "Sim Ko" (@simko8665) on "Four Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in occupied West Bank" video.
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@toasted_donut2308 A nice argue. Still:
1. Why did they wake up and demanded a free state from Israel? Why not from Jordan for 19 years?
2. There is a decision of the UN from 29.11.1947 which says that that land has to be divided between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel excepted it but not the PA's who started right away with riots against the Jews in Israel. In 1948 also five Arab Armies invaded Israel from all directions. Sorry that Israel won that war.
3. In 1967 four Arab countries gathered on the borders of Israel and Israel had to fend them off. Jordanian king believed the Egyptian leader who told him that his forces are on the way to Tel Aviv. The king of Jordan believed him and started to bomb Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and also my home town from the West bank in order to get a share of Israel after the victory. Unfortunately he lost and left the West bank.
This was in short.
The PA's have their Autonomy and their own leaders and Israel do not interfere their business. The trouble is that they want a free country for themselves but they have no means to run it since they are divided among themselves . They have no Economy, no Minerals, no jobs, just nothing. Who is going to feed them? look at Lebanon in the last years and you'll see what will become of them.
Look at the Gaza Strip. They are in the same situation for 74 years. No Economy , no Minerals, no jobs. Who is feeding them all these years? The unerw"a of the UN, which means, you.
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It's not a wonder. They can see Israel flourishing in any field, one of the best Economies in the world, Agriculture, Science, Hi Tech and much more and they want it for themselves. Why not?
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@toasted_donut2308 You brought up some interesting points. It's pity that almost no one is true.
I'll mark my comments in red letters. I's going to be a long one, have patience. To spread lies is very easy and it takes few words to do it, but to deny it, it takes much longer time.
1) they wanted to be with Jordan, now they dont want to be with Israel. So what, Its their choice.
Who told you that they wanted to be with Jordan? The Hashemite Kingdom the whole part of East Bank and a smaller part in the West Bank.
All of that was given to Jordan by the British as a token of gratitude after getting help from them in WW1 (see Laurence of Arabia). The local citizens which are called Palestinians, has nothing to do with it. They lived there for a long time and suddenly they had to accept foreign rule expelled from Saudi Arabia. In the 50's they raised up against Jordan and they were brutally suppressed by them after killing many of the PA's. The locals hated the King. When Israel took it over, the Israeli soldiers were received with candies and rice. How do I know it? Well, I was in Jerusalem at that time.
After about 20 years, the new generation who did know nothing of the local history started to act against Israel.
If you'll ask privately a Pa where he rather would like to live, he will tell you in Israel and he knows why. If you'll ask him the same question in public, the answer will be the opposite. He also knows why.
Yes, there are difficulties because of the Terrorists but Israel has to defend itself. If you believe that after they will have their own state there it will be peace, you are naïve. The Terrorists wants all the area from the Jordan river to the sea clean of Jews.
2) The UN should not dictate what 1 country does with it's land. If the UN decided tomorrow that Israel no longer exists, will you pack your bags and leave.
The UN is not a high court which in an orderly state must abide by its decisions.
When the UN decided to split this region between Israel and the Arabs, Israel excepted it but not the Arabs who started war against Israel so do not tell me about the UN decisions.
3) Palestine has no control over the west-bank to build their economy. Israel has settlements across the region that own all the arable land, the IDF runs security their and operates many checkpoints. The PA controls only a small portion of the West-bank and even they are just Israeli puppets.
Reading this only shows me how you know nothing about the West Bank. There is almost no Economy since they have no sources for it. Almost no Minerals, no means to produce reasonable Electricity and the unemployment reaches to high levels since many of them do not work. They have little trade, and some primitive agriculture and tiny industry. Israel does not control Arab lands and has no so many settlements to control all the region. The IDF has check points only for its security. From 1967 till 1987 there was no even one of it since there were no Terrorists actions.
Thae Arabs live all over the region and it's not a small one.
If a PA's state will be declared, they citizens will not have even basic products to use even not bread. They will have to ask for help from the rich Arab states in order to support them. Declaring a free state in the West Bank will be a disaster for the Arab citizens there. Freedom is not all, you need to have sources to give sevices to the people there and they do not have it.
4) Palestinians have to pay taxes to both the PA and Israel. High taxes means no one wants to open businesses or invest.
I do not know what taxes the Pa's have to pay in the West Bank or in Gaza. In Israel Pa workers (there are about 160,000) are paying taxes exactly as an Israeli worker.
On the other hand, their rights are also the same as Israelis. It means Health care, pension, annually vacation, paying for days of illness and other benefits.
5) The Gaza strip is sanctioned so it is impossible to build an economy.
Their Economy worked very well till the Hamas took over. Because of their Terrorism action against Israel, Israel to defend itself and that the way she chooses.
On the other side, they have their Egyptian brothers who can assist them. Right on the other side of the fence. Why not telling them to apply to them for help. Why does Israel has to supply them with goods. Every day 1,500 trucks loaded with Israel products are entering the strip. Israel also supplies them with electricity, not talking about the UN which supply them also for 74 years. The only refugees in the world to get it.
At the very least, let Palestine have the West-bank, remove your soldiers and checkpoints, and stop taking taxes. Then Palestine actually has a chance. Since the UN is the ultimate authority like they were in 1947, listen to them when they say stop making settlements.
At the very least. It seems that you are new in that situation. If you were aware about peace talks in the last 30 years, you wouldn't dare say it.
The PA's were offered to get back 97% of the West Bank and 3% more from Israeli lands. Not once, but twice. Yes, twice.
Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres were rewarded a Nobel Prize for peace for willing to hand over the lands to the PA's, and Yaser Arafat for is willing to get the lands. All he had to do is to sign the peace treaty but he got cold feet and retreated.
The same story happened with Abu Mahzen few years after that. The same offer but he also got cold feet. That time the Nobel Prize committee was not on a hurry to give prizes just for a willing.
Do you know why they finally rejected the two Israeli offers? Very simple why.
Just for your poor knowledge. The Pa's agenda is not to make peace with Israel. Their agenda was and still is to get all the lands from the Jordan river to the sea, clean of Jews. All you have to do is to listen to what they say in private and compare it to what they say in public.
Your above suggestions were already suggested to the PA's for a peace treaty but till now with no success. Now you can suggest all of it to the Pa's.
BTW. Yaser Arafat never returned the Nobel Prize that he received.
I CAN ONLY SUGGEST TO YOU TO READ THE HISTORY OF THAT REGION FOR THE LAST 200 YEARS STARTING WITH 1831. After that you'll know from where most of the PA's arrived to that region, when and why, how the Jews did and many unknown other facts. Hearing fake stories and fake facts from people who also had heard it from other people do not make it true. Do What I just suggested to you and get wiser.
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