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Comments by "" (@davidulanovsky8943) on "VICE Guide to Iran with Suroosh Alvi" video.
Whether or not American sanctions are ever justified, they always end up hurting normal people while not even affecting those at the top.
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This isn’t Saudi Arabia or occupied Palestine we’re talking about.
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Ok Ok Well apartheid South Africa was a much worse situation than Iran and if I recall correctly Reagan actually refused to put the sanctions on them but they clearly didn’t harm the apartheid government or lead to the end of apartheid in any way so probably not no. Citizen boycotts are a good idea though and I think that actually did harm apartheid.
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Griffin Coulter It’s all a game to them. Unfortunately as you point out most people are completely fooled by it.
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justshad That’s just twisted American government logic. If the people do want the state to be in power then America has no fucking business in it, get over yourself. If they they don’t want the state to remain in power and it still is, then the people have no control over it. America chooses to put sanctions on countries, it isn’t forced to.
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Saffron You think Iran bullies Israel? Hilarious.
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Josh Lewis Don’t see you Americans talking about Saudi Arabia or Israel.
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Ok Ok South Africa literally had their own nuclear weapons program that they didn’t disband unlike Iran who disbanded theirs until America broke the agreement. Your bias is showing. Do you even know what a fucking apartheid state is? It’s a bit more than racism.
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Ok Ok Reagan blocked sanctions for years and they were absolutely not seen as one of the main reason why apartheid was overthrown and the ANC took power, that’s just ridiculous. America was responsible for propping up apartheid, not tearing it down. Why do some Americans have to claim that every victory in the history of the world was their doing.
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justshad The US doesn’t care about what type of government Iran has? Is that why they overthrow the Iranian government in 1952 causing all this shit in the first place, propping up a brutal dictatorship under the Shah and then trying to destroy Iran after 1979? Don’t be so naive. What wars does Iran fuel? Because America fuels wars all over the world. I assume you’re referring to Yemen and Syria so let’s take a look at them. The US and the gulf states fuelled the war in Syria by arming radical jihadists who Iran was invited to fight against by the government (I know it’s hard for an American to grasp that you can’t just send troops in without permission.) In Yemen, Iran doesn’t give much to the Houthis but on the other hand the US gives the Saudis the planes and bombs that they need to bomb hospitals, school busses and funerals. Iran is the way it is because it has been isolated by America and suffers from poverty BECAUSE OF AMERICAN SANCTIONS. Looks like you’re the propaganda tool here mate.
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Ok Ok Are you a dunce? South Africa was never an active threat to the US because the US didn’t overthrow their terrible government, instead they chose to overthrow Iran’s democrat government in 1952 but priorities I guess. You’re just straight up lying, it was Mandela who dismantled the nuclear weapons after the transition away from apartheid. If you don’t want Iran to be an active threat to the US then maybe do us all a favour and stop fucking attacking them. I’m not reading a historically revisionist article by the New York Times, I know they love to publish them.
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Ok Ok That’s not what happened but I’ll admit I was also partially wrong. In 1989 during beginning of the transition away from apartheid South Africa agreed to dismantle their nuclear weapons as part of the peace deal with Cuba and Angola. The bombs were not confirmed to have been dismantled until 1994. Linking me an article from NYT on American exceptionalism isn’t an argument. You imperialists really do have a short memory don’t you, Iran dismantled its nuclear program after the US agreed to lift sanctions. Trump tore up the deal and imposed sanctions that kill people, it’s America that is the threat, not Iran. So fucking brainwashed.
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justshad Please take what you just said and apply it to yourself. You’re brainwashed.
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justshad Step outside of America and you’ll see how much we’re all prospering. America has fucked over the entire planet and even their own people in the name of money. The world order is just a tool of the elite to maintain power and America is nothing more than their attack dog.
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justshad Make no mistake, I don’t like the Iranian government however I recognise that most of the problems in Iran right now are objectively the fault of America. Iran’s government is domestically terrible but I’ve been defending their foreign policy because it is a justifiable reaction to American aggression. Your comments seemed very pro US, especially when you talked about America being the benevolent face of the world order. You’re correct about my background but I was educated in the UK so got a very pro western education at school and I’ve had the benefit of hearing the opinions of family who are pro USSR and family who are anti USSR. I even have family who emigrated to America who I’ve visited a few times and I can tell you that I do not hate them or the American people. I was not brought up a communist, I was brought up to form my own opinions which eventually led me to where I am now.
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justshad So you’d fix the problems in Iran by going back to a more brutal dictatorship with more poverty and inequality just to please America? I don’t think most Iranians would agree. It doesn’t matter if trump leaves office or not, the US is still just a dictatorship that changes faces every few years.
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justshad When has the US EVER respected rules, human right and economic prosperity. You’re very naive if you think that America isn’t robbing and bullying poorer nations as we speak. We’re literally talking about a poorer nation that was robbed and is being bullied by America. You may act educated on this issue and I’m sure you’re smart but you don’t seem to know very much about how US foreign policy works.
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Mehmet Doğan Özdemir Mate your government is 10 times more oppressive than Iran.
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Nima Khodayi Turkey is actively trying to kill the Kurdish minority. Thousands of people were dying every day just a few months ago because turkey invaded Kurdish controlled rojava. 40 thousand people have been killed within turkey during the Kurdish conflict. They even made speaking Kurdish illegal. One of my family members is a Kurdish nurse and was thrown in jail for 2 weeks for no reason. Please do some research before you speak. Also, if you think no other government has killed protesters then just look into the actions of the friends of America.
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Nima Khodayi I know it’s terrible, unfortunately the Kurdish struggle is overlooked by the international community.
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no pe I’m full of bullshit and don’t have knowledge? My family has experienced brutal oppression from the Turkish state for being Kurdish. You on the other hand are probably some middle class Turkish fascist who has never even spoken to a Kurd and just parrots everything that your master Erdogan says. And the Kurdish language was illegal from 1980-1991 idiot.
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Klein Everything is to do with class. The upper class will always have a different agenda to the working class.
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Klein It’s not a simplistic worldview, it’s how the world works. The upper class are the ones who control the politicians in the first place. Understand that I’m not talking about better off middle class people, I’m talking about those who actually own the industries, corporations and banks.
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Klein It IS us vs them. The upper class (those who own the means of production) are the ones doing the things that I dislike. The idea of class war is not simplistic, it is an incredibly complex idea and an analysis of our word put forward by some of the greatest philosophers in history.
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ali ah Isn’t Iran also capitalist though and isn’t socialism illegal in the country?
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ali ah So how can Iran be fighting capitalism if it’s moving towards it?
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Q V The oppressed people in Syria are the Kurds and assyrians getting beheaded by western backed jihadists. Anyone who supports the Islamist opposition to Assad either doesn’t know anything about the conflict or is a jihadist nutter.
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maman89 It’s tragic.
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justshad Correction: A man nearly kills and robs another man. The other man then retaliates. The man who was attacked and retaliated is then arrested and sentenced to death. The punishment hurts his wife and children. Who’s to blame? Whether or not the punishment is justified, it hurts his family. But who’s to blame?
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justshad What’s your background if you don’t mind me asking? Am I correct in assuming you’re a westerner that recognises some of America’s faults but still believes in the idea of a western led neoliberal world?
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justshad As someone with US military bases in their country I can tell you that literally nobody wants them, they are a foreign occupation force. America armed and backed radical jihadists in Syria so the government invited Russia in to help defeat them as well as Isis. Funny how the example you use of how bad Russia is is actually just a demonstration of how bad America is.
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Nick Alonso North Korea has been strangled by America for decades, Kim only entered negations because he knew he could manipulate trump and he has. I’m still in favour of any negotiable though, the democrats are stupid for opposing them just because trumps the one doing them.
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Skelleton Man If the people haven’t rose up against their government by the time America gets involved then maybe there’s a reason for that.
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Griffin Coulter True, what’s even worse is that there’s so many brainwashed normal people who defend the elite as can be seen in these comments.
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yousha zaidi I know that’s the point but they usually try and dress it up and pretend that it doesn’t hurt normal people when in reality the opposite happens.
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