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A lot of this is coming from very odd perspectives and completely ignoring the discussions in the manopshere during the last decade. The arguments here are completely twisted the other way around. A lot of guys say that they don't want to get married nowadays or only if their conditions are being met. This podcast takes on a more and more completely modern "conservative" position of blaming men. 9:00 - Men and women are not the same. Men and women with high body count are not the same. A lot of men could marry younger, and for those who can't it's not worth it to marry someone old. Marriage is generally not a good idea for men, especially in the US. If women want to marry some guy two or three years older, then why are they not doing it? It's the older women realizing that they will never get married, and then panic. Men suffer when they're young, women when they're old.
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Co-parenting won't work, for many reasons. A few that come to mind: - Women want only a few men, until it's too late. - Older women are often even more demanding. - They already can have children if it isn't too late for them. - It would still create issues about who does what amount of work. - They would still have more rights and an advantage by law and social standards. - They might be quite left leaning, generally have different values... - This might develop towards a regular relationship.
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12:42 Let's not exaggerate. Unfortunately as the second biggest party, AfD still has only 21%. All the leftist parties have 36% combined. Not counting the Christian Democrats (Chancellor Merz) and BSW (which is also into welfare populism but a bit more reasonable about immigration).
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After even just a few minutes in it was clear that the guest doesn't even know basic things about the manopshere.
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You will have to cope with artificial girlfriend becoming a thing. Men do not need women to be motivated. If so, then it's unnecessary work.
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@LucasFernandez-fk8se This would be the obvious solution based on some idea of balance, but it doesn't work. Nobody wants this and there's no reward or penalty high enough or feasible.
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Virtue signaling is not the same as joking.
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12:30 - They can't stop taking Ls. It's widespread knowledge, that daughters are on average more difficult to raise and that mothers and daughters often don't get along very well.
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21:05 - I really don't believe in the argument that the woke are the people which are open-minded towards new ideas. Rejection of being conquered by foreigners can lead to be open minded towards new ideas.
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It's easier if you don't like the women you met in your life, and aren't very fond of human relationships and interactions in general. You just need to get rid of the fantasy that it could be working someday and somehow. A lot of guys don't get this "prime consolations" when they're young, others learn that it comes with a high cost or risk. Coming in late or coming back after being burned, makes it even less attractive.
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There's no "whining" and it's not about "wanting women to change their ways and become better". This is completely made up.
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Precision matters: The warnings about marriage, divorce and child custody are more of a MGTOW thing, which is based on a mix of Red- and Blackpill. Blackpillers are about looks, inherited traits in general and demographics (more men than women / older men date young women, therefore some have to miss out).
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I thought about where to draw the line. If the guy was a runaway from prison, who knows that he will most likely get caught, and he was in prison for rape and murder out of lust for doing so, then it might be safer to take the bet with the bear. But to be fair, the likeliness of a bear attacking a human has barely been discussed in most conversation on this topic. The test also doesn't state how close the bear or human would be during the initial encounter.
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@levismirnoff5450 I recently realized that a big part of the problems in politics is that people still use the GDP as the measurement for how the economy is doing. Despite the widespread knowledge that this is not a good measurement for it.
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21:50 - I don't understand why you are confused. It's not simply about work it's about autonomy. Examples from the past were in the context of men being the head of the household and in charge of the woman, also she couldn't easily leave him. Also, working at home close to the children is not the same as in some office environment. Which also makes it easier to have contact to women which are going to parties and maybe have bad ideas about men and what kind of life women should live.
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These guys are rather simps than incels, I think. Also, "not interested in engaging with women" can still mean consuming porn including hentai. Others are very conservative in some way. Not saying the soyboys don't exist, but not all guys who aren't interested in trying to get laid are watching such TikToks and have low T. The problem of anime and young looking characters are simply the people from the outside, who can't make a distinction between real and fiction. Aside from the people in corporations who give in into the pressure. Also, the people upset about it are often those ones who make it (more) sexual. For example when it's just some joke or beautiful. Looking at likable anime girls is just aesthetically pleasing and can be very wholesome, also very emotional if they go through a hard time. Very good examples for that would be "Made in Abyss" and "Prima Doll".
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In regards to the decline per year it needs to be mentioned that these EU countries loose people to other countries like Germany in very high numbers, especially Romania. They're already low on people for a lot of jobs. These decline rates are NOT even remotely based on people having fewer children, but young people leaving. This might make the situation in Korea look extra bad in comparison, if they don't also have people leaving in masses. I only watched the start or teaser of the video so far, and probably won't have time soon. I don't know if this was mentioned later.
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27:30 - Older people won't accept limiting their voting rights, since they didn't get that told in time. Also, this would bring up the question to which extend the government is and would have been responsible for creating an environment making that possible. It's just one more way how older generations could grab more power. Last but not least, a lot of people would not accept that immigrant populations with more children would get more votes. Especially considering, that they often never choose to let them in. So yeah, maybe a idea for a completely new country.
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@yeetdeets Once again: Dating and hookup coaches are not "the Red-Pill". MGTOW is also based on the Red-Pill, but extended with other things. The concept of the "pill" here is just a set of ideas, not what people make out of it. If you want a "brotherhood which don't even think of women or sexual desire", then create one yourself. Also self-improvement for what purpose?
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@IlluminaZero 3% in the US, according to Aaron Clarey.
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If the company gets paid, they might have rooms where the mother can go when the baby cries.
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I nearly conflated the abbreviation with Thinking Ape. TFM has some extremely conservative takes, to the point where he appears to be in solidarity with violent movements outside the West. That's at least how I recall it. However people want to judge this, I'm pretty sure that is what got him banned. "Undead Chronic" would be a more moderate variant. Then again, in both cases their presentation might also be incompatible with what people regard to be decent.
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This channel is best enjoyed by taking in the good ideas and ignoring the bad ones.
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Tell me that you don't know anything about MGTOW, with out telling me you don't know anything about MGTOW. This argument old and still wrong, same for the incel accusation, maybe someone needs to make a FAQ page somewhere, lol.
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Traditionally men raised their own wifes, after getting them while young and the man a bit older.
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That video is like going through a bullet point list of the topics the manosphere is now talking about for years, plus some extras. Though, of course the judgments and concerns are more about the injustices against women as well as the dangers they have to deal with. The young men not getting dates till they're older is less of a concern. It's a given that men should just pick up the women when they're older and have all these problems. It's a great example for how society has combined the traditional care for women with feminist concerns. The gynocentrism is very obvious. Aside from that, it also touches on the complexity of relationships and the pickiness of women one would have to deal with. A good reminder why walking away from all of this might be the better choice. Still an interesting video though.
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@jackiekjono There already is a lot of free or cheap knowledge on the internet. What also matters, is the certification, and that it is acknowledged by institutions and corporations.
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You're making this into a binary decision. You don't need to keep them totally away.
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- the rift won't be mend - the term "extinction" is used for species not a sex - their genes would still be there - it's not about existing people - also, no one wants them to completely disappear
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@user-od5fh3gn4d Maybe, maybe not. It's pure speculation. It's their choice. Freedom and such. We men not responsible for making them feel good. That kind of mentality created the current situation in the first place.
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@user-od5fh3gn4d And of course we are supposed to care about your anxiety more than about our own interests. Well... I don't think so.
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What part exactly? The 80/20 rule isn't just an incel thing.
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Unfortunately they did this also to Europe and Japan. Aside from the fact, that they also supported native media outlets, which means they were also doing it at home. Messing up games, anime, all kinds of entertainment. Also, after spreading ideas abroad in developed countries, these countries throw "their" ideology back to the US.
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Broadly true. But, Incels might be more socialist out of self-interest when it comes to the distribution of women than they are generally leftist, which isn't exactly the same. There are some which insist on some traditional lifestyle, some of them with migration background, or they are into some less popular political views on "the right".
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@subcitizen2012 What did you try to say? One part of knowledge in the manopshere is: Don't listen to women, look at what they are doing.
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@666LatinoCad Yes, and it predates Rian Stone being active. He doesn't get to redefine it.
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It's up to a Republican president to defund the organizations in regards to tax payer money. One problem with the big companies seems to be that the shareholders are big investment funds, often holding the retirement savings of regular people. These customers could get a right to quit any saving plan and take the money out without any penalty, if the fund invests into politicized companies. The other factor is tax deductions of losses. One idea I had, would be to make it impossible to deduct losses from an digital entertainment section to pay less taxes on other earnings. Think of Amazon logistics and hosting or Disney's parks. Aside from that, AI will be a problem for a lot of journalism, entertainment, and the elites in general.
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There is so much wrong with this idea.
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Seeing how the previous generation of women is doing, I guess. Additionally, women pushing back against competition from porn, dolls, and professionals including sx tourism. Also, older women trying to prevent guys from dating younger women.
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@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey This certainly isn't the consensus in science.
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@AndrewJohnson-n3m It's based on myth anyways. The US elites and transatlantic bureaucrats want to "protect" "Europe".
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14:00 - You're always making videos about a topic without first looking into the content by people eho already talked about this before. The number of involuntary celibate men in the West is of course related to female empowerment by the government and society, among other things. Another thing is that fewer men die young nowadays. Also, older men dating young women has a bigger impact with a shrinking population.
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That the Western Civilization dominates, and developed most of the technological civilization isn't really a big new idea. But I agree, that it shouldn't be measured in old buildings, and some things have been invented several times or the ideas came from outside of Europe.
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The obligation for the draft wouldn't have changed much.
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And once again: Schizoid is not the same as schizophrenic.
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31:00 - You certainly haven't thought about every option in that area, since you don't like the whole direction. Obviously some groups dependent on another group would leave, if their financial support would start to be dependent on leaving some area. Or it might even just be limited to the poor with high fertility part of that group.
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Except the health system, houses, and climate adaptation most likely aren't very cheap. Rural areas in many European countries are also cheap.
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The best romance stories are the ones where there's a supernatural threat or some other threat from the outside to the relationship, e.g. like in many Vampire tv shows especially Buffy and Angel. Edit: I wrote this above before the end of the video, it was just referring to romance without making it about petty fights. Atlas Shrugged would be an example of a couple working together, but I think the movie series was never finished.
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It doesn't matter and it's hard to verify. How much is it in percentage? In a country where successful parties are publicly funded.
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You appear to be increasingly negative about MGTOW/blackpill. But the alternative simply doesn't scale.
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