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Comments by "The french are harlequins" (@thefrenchareharlequins2743) on "Hitler's Socialism: The Evidence is Overwhelming" video.

@executivedirector7467 amazing how these well educated people have all failed to demonstrate it false.
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And your proposition relies on demonstrating the abolition of private property, nationalisation, heavy taxation, economic centralisation, regulation and collectivism is not socialist.
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@dwizzi1724 Getting something in return does not imply no theft took place, you must demonstrate that this was consented to in order to show it wasn't. Some unbeknownst entity expecting you pay taxes isn't proof of consent.
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@dwizzi1724 Assuming such a contract actually exists then fine, however there has yet to be a single person to show me that I ever signed such a contract.
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Or rather state control of trade unions is what we should expect from any socialist state.
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Okay, so someone is only a socialist when they prioritise non-racial groups
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And Lenin was funded by the Kaiser, so I guess that makes him a monarchist.
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@executivedirector7467 my statement also applies to those who make propositions on their behalf.
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@dwizzi1724 how is this an axiom, i.e. how does denying that one should have free medical care require that one affirms a person should have free medical care?
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@dwizzi1724 The second one. I should probably clarify by saying that an axiom is a proposition that one must affirm in order to attempt to deny. I am wondering how not wanting free healthcare is denying an axiom.
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@topercaker2646 His most popular video is on why Hitler started WW2.
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@angryatheist depends upon the nationalism. If it is understood to be secessionism then it certainly is in opposition to socialism, but if it attempting to promote national interest over individual interest then it certainly is socialistic.
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Unlike Hitler's pacifism, there is both theoretical and practical proof of Hitler's socialism.
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He doesn't rationalise Hitler anymore that I rationalise the Thuggee by saying they believed Kali would destroy humanity if they did not commit murder.
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So that would make socialism equivalent to theft. The motivation regarding the workers simply being that - a motivation.
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Fun fact, he was apolitical when he first formulated this position, it was only when socialists accused him of reading Mises that he adopted Austrianism.
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It is also rather well know that when state officials are in charge of production they don't exactly have private interests.
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So the nazis redistributing farmland somejow makes them non-socialist.
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@markfrederikbaksrensen8574 You would be a terrible ethicist, but you know as well as I do that Hitler's socialism is a far more defendable thesis.
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@markfrederikbaksrensen8574 I dont really care about whether Nazi Germany was right or left wing since those terms rely on false Pythagorean metaphysics, but I would like to see proof that the proposition that Hitler was a socialist is "crap".
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@Cubeforc3 TIK doesnt really speak about ethics which is the branch of philosophy libertarianism is concerned with.
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@dwizzi1724 This would imply that people have a right to the goods required for healthcare regardless of whether this causes a conflict or not, implying a contradiction.
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@dwizzi1724 There is a conflict between the person wanting healthcare and the person who already has the goods for healthcare. Stating that the person who already has the goods should lose the conflict is a contradiction because argument implies that he should be convinced through reason to give the goods to the person.
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@dwizzi1724 Well it is, as proceeding forward with the conflict regardless of whether he is convinced by the reasons for being charitable goes against the ethic of argumentation that one should be convinced by the virtue of an action before being compelled to take it.
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@dwizzi1724 Well, society isn't exactly a good bought and sold, rather it consists in buying and selling goods under a division of labour. Yes, society is good.
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@dwizzi1724 Same people with cars, houses and property.
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@ThugShakers4Christ but this would only answer the criminological question of what motivates one to commit the theft, rather than define it properly
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By this definition, socialism could more simply be called institutionalised aggression. Wanting the working classes to control the means of production is simply a motive for the crime.
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@JingleJangleJam Then of course, Hitler starts world war 2.
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@JingleJangleJam That's a; very well and good, but a pacifist would never be violent - Hitler caused a war, which is the negation of that.
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@JingleJangleJam Socialists, especially in Britain known to include right-thinking members of the aristocracy in power. Further, one does not have to be a communist to be a socialist, but even if killing communists would disqualify someone, then Stalin and Mao would not be considered socialist.
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@JingleJangleJam 1st Earl Atlee, certainly a socialist, labour prime minister when he said "The".
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@JingleJangleJam That's splendid to know, but Hitler is still a socialist.
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@JingleJangleJam This does not render fascism non-socialist, it only means fascism is non-Marxist
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@JingleJangleJam Right so some of his propositions are false, this does render his propositions regarding the ideology of fascism false.
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@JingleJangleJam Bias does not demonstrate that a proposition is wrong. You are also biased, should I disregard everything you have said?
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@petterbirgersson4489 ownership is refers to the state of ethically using something, knowing what is ethical and unethical to use, i.e. what you should and should not do is imperative to living
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@claudermiller The fact you are unable to demonstrate he is wrong speaks more to the truth of TIK's thesis. The reason he made this specific video was to summarise his points in the 5 hour video, in the hopes that socialists will actually engage with them.
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If it is, then it certainly should cause one to reconsider how much private interests and thus how capitalist the economy is.
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@executivedirector7467 Do you have a better counter definition then?
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@executivedirector7467 Well public ownership causes a contradiction and is therefore impossible to perform, but we can extrapolate that pursuit of this would result in property being deprived from the natural possessors, so it is better to define socialism as policies of institutional aggression.
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They were chock full of socialists, and that's because the worst thing that could happen to a socialist is to have a socialist in power that isn't his friend
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He responds to the article you are citing in the video in question
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I'd hardly say starting a world war to sustain itself is exactly the mark of functionality.
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The fact that there are multiple sources for each claim in this video contradicts the proposition that hitler's socialism is ahistorical.
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@verazunrus4834 i think he is being sarcastic
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@wasneeplus It was important in the Marxist movement, but socialism's motivations are generally characterised by group ownership regardless of what that group is.
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@wasneeplus The Nazis therefore pose a counterexample to this The Nazis nationalised industry and banking such as the Junkers Flugzeugwerke and Reichsbank respectively and German businesses were heavily taxed throughout the war to a nominal levy of 55% of all profts in 1941, but some industrialists complained that it was up to 90%.
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@wasneeplus I know you consider it essential, but you have not given me any reason to believe that support of group ownership is not sufficient to prove that one is a socialist. If you were not aware, then you didn't watch the video as TIK mentions it within 5 minutes of the video starting. It is interesting how you stated that nationalised banked was a requirement for socialism, and once I show an example of the national bank in Nazi Germany you begin claiming that national banks does not demonstrate that a country is socialist. The point about taxation was mainly directed to your proposition that the Nazis allowed firms to make large profits. Further, taxation policy absolutely shows us the politics of a state, as the lower taxation is, the more capitalist it issaid to be, therefore the higher taxation is the more non-capitalist, i.e. socialist, it is said to be.
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I'm afraid TikTok has reduced the average socialist's attention span down to 10 seconds, you may need to condense it again.
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Edward VIII abdicated because his marriage to a divorcee was incompatible with his role as head of the church of England
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@stephanedaguet915 I am aware that Lenin is not a monarchist. The reductio ad absurdum that you failed to notice was that x simply funding y does not make y pro-x.
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@stephanedaguet915 So why didn't the Kaiser fund the Mensheviks instead of the Bolsheviks? Because Lenin secretly wanted the monarchy!
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@stephanedaguet915 OK, so how does the Freemasons not starting the french revolution mean hitler was not a collectivist who abolished private property, nationalised firms and heavy taxed firms that he allowed to be private, and centralised the economy into 13 industrial units?
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Such elections would imply the exclusion of the minority of workers meaning workers as a whole would not control industry and therefore worker control of industry is not an accurate description of socialism.
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@randomuser3481 Pretending that they have not failed does not make it so, there are several quotes from Hitler in which he stated he supports economic planning and that he was not a proponent of private entreprise
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@Cubeforc3 TIK also has a degree in history and modelling the entire Stalingrad campaign is more impressive than simply being a part of an organisation.
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@Cubeforc3 Even if the proposition was false, it would not be proof of insanity.
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Even if your complete misunderstanding of austrian econ was true, we are left with no reason to believe hitler was a fascist capitalist.
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@dwizzi1724 The state is an anti-social organisation so it would in fact benefit society to remove it.
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@charleymount582 remind me
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@charleymount582 I am aware of it, I haven't heard a good argument for it
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@charleymount582 I am aware socialists hold that there is a distinction between private and personal property. I have also never heard a good reason to make this distinction.
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@charleymount582 Then permit me to invent "evil no good property" which includes things such as your catalytic converter, whisky, money and work computer, and not things that I don't want to steal from you.
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@charleymount582 a similar thing to what you are making on about with this personal-private property distinction
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@charleymount582 you first, couldn't make any sense of why those particulars you listed under the category of "private property" were legally significant
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@charleymount582 Your toothbrush is your property-I-don't-want. Your rubbish bin is your property-I-don't-want, your half eaten chocolate bar is your property-I-don't-want. In good-guyism, your property-I-don't-want remains your property. Property-I-want in this case is referring to anything I can take from you and resell for a profit. Do you own a catalytic converter? Do you own a car? Do you own a house? Do you own a kidney? You have no idea what good-guyism actually is.
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@charleymount582 What are you talking about? You know you can still buy and sell property-I-don't-want under good-guyism? If you find another topic more relevant talk about it instead ig
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@executivedirector7467 socialist is an excellent label for Nazi Germany given the extensive interference in the economy by the state.
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@TheImperatorKnight you should read Hoppe's economics and ethics of private property
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This isn’t a political opinion
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@its_gerryz14 meanwhile, a state produced vaccine would probably waste £10 billion worth of funding over 15 years and return with the conclusion that COVID cannot be vaccinated.
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assuming you were writing a paragraph on the nazi economy, you should say something like "the nazis were funded by capitalists for example x, y and z, this is important because it means the nazis were capitalists, however the nazis also nationalised industries which makes them less capitalists for example they seized the Junkers plane works". Your teacher will probably tell you in which questions it is appropriate to write on the economy and of course, what i gave was an incredibly rough outline on what you should do.
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