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Comments by "jim oberg" (@jimoberg3326) on "NASA's Nasty Habit of Covering Up UFO Footage | New York Post" video.
NASA[LOPEZ] = Nitwits Adore Space Aliens
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b1njjj95 -- Let's argue constructively. Help me out with flaws in my solution to the notorious STS-48 1991 zig-zag UFOs. For a debate with Greer at Purdue in 1999, here's my presentation charts with annotations, let me know what's not clear. In my 20+ years in Mission Control I watched a LOT of weird-looking [but ‘space normal’] scenes on the big screens. I was on console for that STS-48 mission, just a different shift. Later I debated it with a UFO nut on Larry King's show. I’d appreciate any advice on presentation content and style, to improve its readability. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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If you asked the folks in Mission Control, they'd tell you they switch from satellite to satellite over each orbit and there's nobody tasked with 'watching out' for aliens and hitting the 'off' button -- always too late, of course. Here's why the idea is preposterous from the get-go: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25147760/
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There are excellent reasons why ANY strange stuff seen outside needs immediate full-team attention. my 1993 paper… http://www.jamesoberg.com/9307xx-sc-generated-debris.PDF
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"Wouldn't want to 'freak out' the masses now." == Pretty clumsy coverup, you have to admit, always JUST MISSING the 'kill' button every time? One of these decades they may get it right, you think?
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"You only believe what the media tells you to, because it's easier than asking questions and challenging information that's given to you. " == I believe what I see from the front row in Mission Control in Houston for 20+ years. Where do you get the stuff YOU believe, from internet strangers who have fun and profit duping credulous nitwits who seek shortcuts to inflating their pissant self-esteem with hoaxes?
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The English of which is, you have no verifiable evidence for the 'NASA stories' but want to keep bluffing the kiddies. Thanks for making it clear.
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For a debate with Greer at Purdue in 1999, here's my presentation charts with annotations, let me know what's not clear. In my 20+ years in Mission Control I watched a LOT of weird-looking [but ‘space normal’] scenes on the big screens. I was on console for that STS-48 mission, just a different shift. Later I debated it with a UFO nut on Larry King's show. I’d appreciate any advice on presentation content and style, to improve its readability. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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JL, stupid is as stupid does. Don't insult somebody else's intelligence in a sentence with two misspellings.
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JL -- So what do YOU think 'space junk' SHOULD look like, basing your reliable expertise on which video games, anonymous internet strangers, and Hollywood SFX?
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So what do YOU think 'ordinary space junk' SHOULD look like?
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@snappback18 == You'll really trip out when you finally realize how you've been scammed by the UFO hucksters on the internet. Then you can apologize to the NASA team that's been telling the truth all along.
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UFO hoaxers on the internet are the bad guys, they've rotted your brain and tricked you into liking it.
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The internet has rotted your brain with UFO hoaxes, get help.
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[facepalm]
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I watched these kinds of scenes live for years, in Mission Control, and in replay, and on youtube -- and came to realize how unearthly they were in terms of traditional visual cues that are valid on Earth under normal earth conditions, but no longer apply -- and even are misleading in zero-G bright-sun invisible-shadow vacuum with vehicles spewing and burping fluids at random intervals and directions. Nobody starts off knowing this. Those who close their eyes and minds to the visual consequences of the different environment will remain blind to it. Intelligent people can indeed be baffled by, and seriously misinterpret, these scenes. When they are motivated to examine their subconscious instinctive and learned perceptual methods compared to the first new environment of human perception in history, they should check out the advice of people who have already done it. Otherwise their visual cortex will remain earthbound and their judgments on the nature of these videos will be astronomically erroneous. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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Nitwits Always See Aliens
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"everyone else who are like only planet earth has life" -- this is a classic example of argumentation fakery, look up 'straw man argument' to see how you are actively faking an opponent's position.
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@ETAisNOW-wn8wx "we should get less stupid" == Good plan, you can start by not being such easy marks for Internet scammers with 'secret NASA UFO photos' hoaxes., like this site. Check out authentic explanations for such weird-looking videos here: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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@causetheplumstasteyum7848 == Where is there verifiable evidence that NASA has ever covered up any ETI-detection evidence?
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@causetheplumstasteyum7848 Speculation is fun, but I'm trying to find any real evidence for these widespread stories, I sure would appreciate some help.
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@thoughtprovoked8030 : "There is tons of proof lol" == The comment was on 'NASA', how about an ounce or two of proof along those lines.
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"There is tons of proof lol" == The comment was on 'NASA', how about an ounce or two of proof along those lines.
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That's what it looks like to the crew and to Mission Control. Are there any videos that seem particularly unexplainable to you? Here's one famous example. I served in Mission Control 20+ years [including for sts-48], and for a debate with Steven Greer at Purdue in 1999, prepared a presentation on this weird video with the overwhelming evidence that it shows ice hit by thruster plumes. I also debated it with Don Ecker on Larry King's CNN show. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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@kamikazeboats1122 == It's usually stuff shed by the spacecraft the camera and crew was on. Random 'space debris' criss-crosses other orbits at enormous speed, it would flash by in milliseconds.
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3rd thing... you're dreaming.
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I call it 'space dandruff' because it's stuff flaking off the space vehicle itself, otherwise its criss-crossing speed would be far too great to even be seen zipping past. That's what I try to explain in my '99 FAQs'. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/14/nasa-debunks-another-ufo-video/
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https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/14/nasa-debunks-another-ufo-video/
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What 'UFO secrets' from NASA do you believe have been exposed by veterans? Both Cooper and Mitchell believe other stories but explicitly stated that nobody at NASA ever had such encounters.
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new2: There are fact-based debunkings of those space-UFO fairy tales out there, please consider reading them.
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Francisco is correct. The only 'evidence' is fables from media falsifiers and stories from make-believe 'space team veterans' who usually were janitors, if anything, in the real program.
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@acidpunx == Thanks for replying. Indeed I have seen the STS-48 1991 video, actually I was on duty for that mission [different shift]. The UFO version was wildly popular due to unfamiliarity of the enthusiasts with real spaceflight motion and illumination principles. The full array of the overwhelming evidence for the prosaic explanation [which a panel of NASA experts first came up with, not me] is all on my home page here, and I'd appreciate critical feedback – http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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@acidpunx -- I agree there are a lot more interesting UFO reports down here on Earth. BTW The Mars cloud has been discussed a lot in the real world, away from the UFO blogs -- it appears to be an annual feature of clouds off the top of a high mountain. Note it wasn't 'kept secret', the pictures came out right away.
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@acidpunx == " i did take the word of a site that NASA had not shown the pictures of Mars" == If so, please explain how anybody else saw them?
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@acidpunx == Your English looks fine to me. My response was intended to point out that accusations that 'NASA is hiding stuff' are fictional hoaxes designed to excite the target audiences of the internet scammers.
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@acidpunx == Fair question. They seem to be eager to publicize their strangest photos. Keep watching! Especially the 'Ultima Thule' encounter in a few weeks.
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@acidpunx .."why they question everything with suspicion" -- You might yourself display a little more suspicion towards the internet hucksters and fakers. And back to the original subject -- where's your suspicion of these kinds of stories?
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