Youtube comments of jim oberg (@jimoberg3326).

  1. Be sure to land at night so you don't burn up.
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  2. It takes as long to manufacture a good museum mockup as it does to build a real one, and the exhibit needed one fast -- so the factory provided a production-run extra since several were built in case of launch failures, and it was left over. The analysis wasn't to copy the design, it was to assess the fabrication technology [alloys, electronics, fuels, etc] which also went into military missiles and warheads from the same factories, to provide reliable estimates of how powerful the ICBM warheads might be. . Apparently at the end of the world tour the unit went back to the vendor, and later when somebody opened it to cannibalize some components, found it emptied. Nobody could even figure out in which county the snatch had occurred. So they told me.
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  3. Some people will believe anything to trick themselves into thinking they're smarter than ordinary folks who live in the real world.
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  4. Neil's mind was fine. Sorry about yours,
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  5. Hero of the planet.
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  6. Which explains the humor of the Russian name for the first US satellite rocket, that exploded: 'Kaputnik'. I have recently begun to laugh at that joke.
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  7.  @daluven  -- I want to know it all, so unless you just made it up to sound smart, will you please help me learn? Here's a report I've posted on my own investigations along these lines. http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  8. Do you have any daily human contact?
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  9. Yes. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  10. I would be.
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  11. -- How about you verify it, first? So where is there ANY first or second had witnesses to the alleged nasty comment from Yeager? There's one half-century old THIRD-hand account from a guy with a justifiable grudge, plus Yeager's denial [and endorsement of his color-blindness from black pilots who actually flew with him] plus the record of no actual personal actions of that suggested type ever happening.
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  12. Nincompoops Always See Aliens
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  13. But where did they get a testable video of Ed Mitchell saying he had seen a UFO? I thought he always denied having a personal experience. I small a rat in the UFO here.
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  14. Thank you!!
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  15. "I'm detecting a big change in mainstream media when it comes to covering the topic of UFOs. " == I agree, but maybe for different reasons. My colleagues in the full-time journalism profession continue to face creeping Armageddon over dwindling numbers of paid professional news people with training, experience, and standards. For a public demanding 'free news', the old aphorism 'you get what you pay for' bites hard. If it's free, it's probably worthless -- or worse, it serves the agendas of those who now ARE paying for its creation and distribution. And another observable trend -- 'news' is often a come-on for websites that swarm with commercial messages from sellers who WANT to attract an audience of eager-believer gullible consumers who will believe ANYTHING if it's packaged attractively, and the content and spin of the 'news' they use as bait shows their level of respect for the intelligence and judgment of their prey. So we come to “Oberg’s law of commercializing credulity” As commercial advertising transitions to internet platforms the selection of where to place such ads is influenced by estimation of where are the most vulnerably credulous viewers. Websites seeking commercial ad revenue recognize the income advantages of being known as an attractant to gullible viewers who are easily manipulated by ego-boosting, who literally will believe anything they are shown if it makes them feel smarter than their peers. These UFO tales are the kind of conspiratorial ‘woke’ stories that have over the years been shown to attract exactly such a vulnerable audience for opportunistic exploitation.
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  16.  @annagrace3621  == Don't assign imaginary opinions to me. That's rude. But forgivable [grin]. Regarding stuff flying along together in space, that's a pretty basic spaceflight situation -- something comes loose, or comes out of, your spacecraft, it will continue coasting along beside you, what's so hard to believe about that?
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  17. Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  18. So where is there ANY first or second had witnesses to the alleged nasty comment from Yeager? There's one half-century old THIRD-hand account from a guy with a justifiable grudge, plus Yeager's denial [and endorsement of his color-blindness from black pilots who actually flew with him] plus the record of no actual personal actions of that suggested type ever happening.
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  19. How many blew up?
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  20. In your dreams.
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  21. Uber is correct, it was a hoax by the kids to get fame and hot dates with Italian starlets.
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  22.  Bearman Mike Hanley  -- The people at NASA are much more dedicated to the mission of exploration and revelation, nothing would keep all of them hushed up over interstellar visitors. But granted, I've seen NASA management dodge and weave and dissemble for ego, power, and budget reasons with the best of them.
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  23. Carter’s report is very illustrative of why ‘ufology’ gets no respect from real scientists. The UFO industry unanimously made zero effort to verify even the most basic data on the years-afterward report, like date/time and location and additional witnesses, simple context info critical to any genuine investigation. This fundamental flaw of omission in their approach may have been based on their appreciation of the publicity value of the report, too valuable to risk losing if it turned out there was prosaic explanation. When the actual location/date was tracked down by Robert Sheaffer, a number of ‘classic’ stimuli for UFO reports became visible. The main one was that at that actual place and time, and in the direction Carter reported looking, NASA was conducting a barium-cloud science launch that created a bright weird cloud in the sky — it was all over the local papers the following morning. When you note that the UFO industry and exploitative internet blogs continue to conceal that suggestive ‘coincidence’ [thoroughly documented], you know all you need to about their intellectual integrity. http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html
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  24.  @Suhaib.F  -- The noise over the radios on Apollo-10 was ordinary ship-to-ship interference. No divine intervention needed.
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  25. Dwight's presence in the test pilot school was an inspiration for many black pilots to follow his lead, and one of them, Charles Bolden, became NASA Director after serving as an astronaut. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction. As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  26. Are you allowed to vote and operate heavy machinery?
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  27. ​ @The1TheyCallFoo313  ""yet, you don't question the white guy's statement the same way do you?" == Yeager was testifying to what he remembers he said. The accusation is based on what Dwight recalls he heard from a guy who said he heard it from another guy who said he heard it from Yeager. I find both first-hand recollections equally credible, but the third hand recollection somewhat less. So before passing judgment, I'm asking -- can anybody locate any more direct witnesses to what Yeager is supposed to have said, to counter his own claim he never said it? Isn't that reasonable?
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  28. Tony Vega --  I think he was just dangling some bait to interest folks in paying to go to Mars, sort of like promising to find a new way to China to get cheap spices.
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  29. Tochno.
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  30. YES. Why not start a fund to buy him a ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  31. you CAN masquerade.
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  32. --What's that got to do with astronauts' experiences in space?
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  33.  @gdwnet  -- Those kinds of stories WERE very widespread in the early years, mostly misinterpretations or bad guesses, some [like the Italian brothers] pure hoaxes, others just wish-fulfillment. Here's what they looked like in the 1970s: 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  34.  @gdwnet  == After Soviet collapse in 1990, with the space industry in ruins and veterans starving, they came forward to sell everything -- artifacts, documents, diaries, all the previously hidden stuff. ALL of it -- Sotheby's even had two big auctions of space hardware [I was their authentication consultant]. Everybody wanted to sell their stories, to save their families from starvation or medical crises. Private historians got to go to places and see hardware and read logbooks once hidden for the entire duration of the USSR -- which then collapsed. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  35. Concur, there's a lot to like in the book. The drumbeat of 'what-about-Nazis?' and 'NASA was mean to women and minorities' is a bit tiresome.
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  36. == Steve had good advice from Jack Garman and others but he had responsibility to accept it and pass it to Gene Kranz. I worked side by side with those guys later, in the shuttle program.
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  37. +Tony Vega -- That's just silly, he's always explained that the UFO stories associated with Apollo-11 are nonsense, and all the real evidence backs him up. Anybody want to see it?
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  38. Piss off. It was suit cooling loop water.
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  39. You're the expert?
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  40. Dumb ferment.
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  41.  @basedbear1605  "And "Orbit" is STRAIGHT UP.. not slightly off horizontal.. which is how that rocket is traveling." == Thanks for revealing right off what your major misconception is about orbital flight. Isaac Newton explained 300 years ago how 'orbital flight' is horizontal. His sketch: https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2014/3-explainerhow.jpg Newton even computed what that ‘orbital velocity’ was, and so can you. An object pulled by Earth’s gravity will fall 16 feet in the first second. How far would the cannonball need to travel horizontally so that Earth’s surface had receded 16 ft below the flight path, cancelling out the distance fallen? This makes a right triangle with one side the radius of Earth and the other side the distance of the cannonball flight, and the hypotenuse is Earth radius plus 16 feet. Solve for the shorter side [use the Pythagorean Theorem], and that’s the distance per second the cannonball must travel. It's about 25,000 feet/second horizontally. To maintain that speed, you have to get above the atmosphere, so yes, the initial direction a rocket travels is UP higher out of the thicker air, then it bends gradually lower onto a horizontal flight path. They all do, they always have done, please catch up.. Once you overcome this fundamental flaw in your faulty 'knowledge' of the real world, a lot more will become clear to you. Please let me help.
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  42. Good point, I'd appreciate your comments on my report http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  43. Well-deserved honors for the inspiration he provided to follow-on applicants who, unlike him, really =DID= measure up to the standards NASA required for astronauts. Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting Democrat policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying. In September 1963 the two top rated students in the class [Ted Freeman and Dave Scott] were among the 14 new pilots NASA selected for real astronaut training, but Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him as well on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision.
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  44. Space station cameras often capture unearthly views, literally, so the more people who monitor the feeds and log the date/time of particular puzzles, the better. I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent, knowledgeable, rational people who are fascinated by UFO stories and wonder what variety of things causes them, particularly on space missions. But these folks rarely frequent mind-junk websites by guys like Streetcrap, Tird-Face-of-Moon, Insecure-Teen13, and others, which seem to be just fishing for gullible nitwits who apparently use the internet for make-believe 'secrets', make-believe 'wokeness', make-believe sex, because real science, real logic, and real personal relationships are too difficult. In the real world [and OFF of it], live space video feeds are regularly cut off as relay satellites move out of line-of-sight. And the idea that there's a NASA dweeb with a finger on a 'kill switch' who ALWAYS hits it too late is just laughable. The NASA Mission Control team is always 'leaning forward' to detect external visual anomalies as clues to potential problems, even potential threats to the mission and the crew, that the whole team needs to focus on, so as to diagnose and determine the level of actual danger -- putting the lid on such indicators, hiding them, would be irresponsible, it could kill people. The official answer that there are many different things that cause such images is entirely correct, but identifying which cause was behind any one particular anomaly requires basic context information such as date/time/location and crew comments, and the internet's mind-junk industry carefully withholds such information, that would reasonably be needed to verify or explain one specific image. This is particularly important for known promoters of images which past practice has shown can be fabrications or misrepresentations of much older observations. By all means, watch for weird-looking scenes, log the time as accurately as possible, and discuss them on any forum you trust. Be cautious about the real actors out there who actively work to mislead you.
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  45.  @SteverRob = Deliberate "ignorance" is the anti-reality mental armor of the typical crackpot, as here.
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  46. Thanks for the reasonable reply. I spent ten days there in 2012 inspecting their space program, awesome time.
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  47.  @johnpainter3426  - You've really nailed it. Spot on. You were paying attention, with technical skills to figure it out -- thanks for sharing. www.jamesoberg.com has more stuff like yours.
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  48. Bogdan: OTH requires ionospheric ducting. Satellites are out of the atmosphere. Go back to school and this time pay attention
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  49.  @7loboOfficial  -- Asteroid relative speed to Earth would have been several times higher. This was slow enough to have been trapped in orbit around the planet.
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  50. 73 seconds until breakup, mercifully followed in 20-30 seconds until anoxia unconsciousness, and then about 120-130 seconds more to ocean impact and death.
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  51.  @karen14470  == Cooper had been talking about his pre-NASA UFO encounters since the mid-1970s. It was his last ticket to get on TV. When UFO groups tried to corroborate his stories with other witnesses, they found that nothing checked out -- so they buried their investigation reports and kept repeating his un-verified stories.
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  52. The story needs verification. Dwight's presence in the test pilot school was an inspiration for many black pilots to follow his lead, and one of them, Charles Bolden, became NASA Director after serving as an astronaut. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction. As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  53. They ALL do. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  54. "Nick Pope joins us for this episode of “The Basement Office” to discuss the history of the flying saucer, analyze the most credible reports" == Has there ever been a famous case Pope has NOT considered 'credible'?
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  55. Lizard is correct, the F1 was too BIG for mere satellite launches. and cost was a driving factor as well. But one Russian engine blew up on a robotic supply flight to the ISS two years ago, so it wasn't that much of a bargain.
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  56. ABASATAsolo -- Think with me. I need some help figuring out how Cooper did the map. This is the best I can do reconstructing the scenario but I must have missed or misunderstood something important. As I see it, Cooper’s only opportunity for a near-overhead daytime view of the Turks & Caicos area was on the 4th orbit, when he was talking to the Cape Canaveral Capcom [Wally Schirra] between 04:40:04 [HH:MM:SS] as he passed over Houston, to 04:45:52, for 5m 48 s [traveling about 1740 miles] or slightly more…. The ‘as-the-crow-flies’ distance of Houston to ‘Turks & Caicos’ is 1530 miles, so by the time the comm link was lost he was hundreds of miles past the islands. As the voice transcripts show, he was busy talking about spacecraft systems and experiments [such as a flashing beacon sub-satellite just jettisoned for visual tracking tests] the entire pass. He turns the in-cabin television camera on. They discuss emergency landing opportunities, how much he had eaten, and medical samples. Towards the end of the pass Cooper describes the view of Florida, indicating his small window is pointed north rather than straight down as would be needed to be eyeballing the islands passing beneath him. The suggestion he ALSO has secretly turned the window down and is surreptitiously scribbling hidden notes about what he observes near the islands doesn't seem to fit in. A day later he follows the same track but is deep into preparations to fire retrorockets to return to Earth, so no sightseeing either. When did he spot the anomalies and log them?
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  57. He said somebody told him that somebody told HIM that somebody ELSE told him something. So where is there ANY first or second had witnesses to the alleged nasty comment from Yeager? There's one half-century old THIRD-hand account from a guy with a justifiable grudge, plus Yeager's denial [and endorsement of his color-blindness from black pilots who actually flew with him] plus the record of no actual personal actions of that suggested type ever happening.
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  58.  @jjfire1924 -- [sigh]
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  59. You've hallucinated too much and it's scared the brains out of you.
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  60. -- Does this clear up the 'thousands of years' angle? In 1973, an astronomy enthusiast/author named Duncan Lunan [then and now a friend of mine] did the INTERPRETING of a series of mysterious radio noise echoes over previous decades, made a graphical plot of date versus size of each ‘delayed echo’, and suggested it showed a 'star map' of the Bootes constellation that had one star [Epsilon Booti] displaced by its motion over the last 13,000 years. Then he found out he'd misread some old radio logbooks and withdrew the suggestion. Too late, it had metastasized throughout the world of UFOria and walks on to this day, undead, a zombie theory repudiated even by its own father.
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  61. Still think rockets go straight UP into orbit? Sad. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch @t
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  62.  @benproudfoot1409  - " attempting to discredit alleged bigotry in the 1960s is a highly questionable use of one’s time." == Thanks for the advice, perhaps my goal wasn't clear. As a respected spaceflight historian [and expert source for the NY Times for decades], I have been trying to 'CREDIT' -- to verify -- the very serious charge against Yeager about ordering other students to shun Dwight as a means of inducing him to quit. I've talked to other members of that test pilot class, to other AF veterans, to astronauts of that era -- NONE recall such a command being given, or being followed. If all that's left is third-hand uncorroborated hearsay that is discordant with every other source from that period, then what?
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  63. First stage recovery using engine thrust is a new development by SpaceX
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  64.  @ronbobronco367  -- I got PTSD from watching Aliens-1.
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  65.  @p1ayboy106  = OK, so you just made up the SpaceX denial quote, can't provide documentation of it, and now play "squirrel!!" to distract readers. [grin] BTW even more pieces have now been found.
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  66.  @djh2633  -- Go find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  67. Hmm, no 'likes' so far [Jan 18]
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  68.  @johnpainter3426  -- I share your dismay with how gullible so many people are to Internet scams designed to allow them to pretend THEY are the smart ones. Who's been designing the public education system? In the 'good old days', here's what a loose world-wide snail-mail fraternity of 'space sleuths' were able to accomplish: http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  69. The same cosmonaut a few weeks later caught a similar scene, but that time he confessed he knew they were Starlink satellites all the time. Strange, isn't it, that the internet UFO hucksters never mentioned THAT minor detail?
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  70. They have rockets, too.
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  71. Your brain doesn't seem right. Why is it hard to believe these videos show rocket launches at twilight?
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  72.  @jarlett3793  -- 'Cannot' or '"won't" because you're mentally lazy? How many examples of this now-normal visual phenomenon do you need? Public misinterpretations of the SpaceX launch on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/20181007-mass-reports_1128.pdf Nov 07, 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/151107-cali_slbm_witness_analysis.pdf
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  73. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  74.  @Wikchsawa = "Neil Armstrong was recording 15 minutes of UFO video, " == I want a wad of what =YOU'RE= smoking.
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  75. Please seek professional help.
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  76. Plz explain why it can't be a satellite reentry, bro.
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  77. The Italian kids faked it all for fun, fame, and profit.
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  78. You can't handle the truth. " As Forrest Gump said, 'Stupid is as stupid does'. People who think a scrap of insulation or a loose bolt or an ice chip are actually cleverly camouflaged alien spacecraft don't seem to me to have elevators going all the way to the top, either.
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  79.  @dirty_deeds3523  -- Don't forget, a Soyuz exploded in mid-launch not long ago but the escape system saved the crew.
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  80.  @TonyG718  -- "The only interesting thing was how the particles appeared to have surrounded the hitch almost as if it were “intelligent” and moved with purpose." == For a million years, detecting intelligent or hostile behavior in ambiguously incomplete visual scenes was a survival-positive reflex. If you were wrong and reacted to false danger, you were embarrassed. If you made the other decision, and the danger really was real, by the next day you were a pile of bear turds.
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  81. "Neil said you know there was a frequency 02:23 that we switched to to talk about other 02:26 things that were happening at that time 02:27 and the guy said what do you mean he 02:29 said when we landed there on the rim of 02:32 the crater nearby he said there were 02:35 several ships and they were large and 02:38 menacing " Wonderful old fairy tale for the little kiddies. Here's how it started [spoiler -- not aliens]: During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  82.  @b0mby1  -- You know that this movie was made up to trick hopelessly gullible victims, for fun and profit, right?
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  83.  @b0mby1  -- No problem. But it wasn't a dramatization [like 'Apollo-13' or 'First Man'] or a documentary, based on a real event. It was what we call a 'crockumentary'. where 'crock' ['jar'] is part of the common American phrase, 'crock of $hit', as in, total nonsense. There are many reality-based on-line sites for spaceflight, I would be happy to point you to some.
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  84.  @The1TheyCallFoo313  -- Here's the view of a black pilot colleague of Yeager's: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  85. Cooper said a lot of weird stuff when he got old and sick, are we supposed to believe it all? Sadly, he was well along into Parkinson's by then, a terrible malady often accompanied by delusions and false memories. The guy was a true hero and earned his adulation, and he deserved his late-in-life privacy -- but the con men and exploiters circled like vultures to make money off his weakened mind and his desperate loneliness. Shameful He claimed he'd saved the shuttle program from a lethal design flaw by relaying to them a telepathic warning from space aliens. He became an avid supporter of the authenticity of Billy Meier's Swiss UFO and alien encounters photos and stories, and even claimed that contactee Daniel Fry had arranged for him a ride on a UFO, for which he packed his camera kit and a travel bag and sat by the phone awaiting the pickup location, but then was disappointed to learn the aliens had cancelled it due to political conflicts on their home planet [it's in his autobiography]. He described taking photos in 1965 from Gemini-5 so sharp you could read auto license plates and that he later even tracked down one driver from a plate number who confirmed he'd been in the city on that day. How many of those stories do you find even remotely credible?
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  86. Panzerreichus Holzer -- "MORE AMERICAN COSMONAUTS AND ASTRONAUTS DIED THAN THE SOVIETS THOUGH..."   The safety ratio is about the same, the US launched several times as many people into space as the Russians ever did. The Soviets never dared to even once launch men into space on their 'Buran' copycat shuttle.
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  87. Tony Vega    ;-)
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  88. Slade is spot on, I hope we hear from him a lot in the future, he talks sense.
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  89. 1. There is no way — and no reason — for the Pentagon to put a secret remote-sensing device on Mercury-9 to seek Soviet missile bases. Miklos says it was trolled on a line like his underwater magnetometer — that doesn’t even WORK in the vacuum of space. 2. Cooper had scant time for sight-seeing and only had one available daylight pass over Turks & Caicos, when he was fully occupied with other experiments. 3. Cooper only took a few dozen photographs [the “five thousand” quotation is bogus, faked from separate comments on unrelated subjects]. 4. None were over the Caribbean. And none showed anything smaller than cities. 5. There was no way Cooper could glance out the window, see something anomalous, and write down the latitude/longitude for later reference [Miklos says he used GPS, which hadn’t been invented for decades yet]. 6. There was no way Cooper could keep a secret notebook in flight and not show it to NASA.
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  90. +jim oberg == All this was disclosed decades ago, it's the UFO hucksters who withhold the parts of the explanations that tell the full story. So if you're in the dark, blame stories like this one, who don't tell you the noise occurred during free flight of the two modules, the astronauts talking by ship-to-ship radio, and occurred only when the LM transmitter was powered up, on this flight and on the next one Apollo-11. Not nearly as sexy a story -- so it's the kind they feed to their gullible non-informed target audience.
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  91. Darrell and his Dad were scouting those waters for many years, maybe they just needed a gimmick to get TV funding for a dive on locations they suspected. More power to them. The space map story is still hoaky.
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  92. Because your head is still too far up your ass.
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  93. NASA[LOPEZ] = Nitwits Adore Space Aliens
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  94. Friends.
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  95. They picked those bands EXACTLY so thousands of hams had compatible gear.
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  96. opening comment is bullshit: “One of the most persistent stories surrounding the UFO phenomenon is that UFOs have made a practice of following American space missions se. Several astronauts have been quoted about the deep-space encounters but there has been no official confirmation of such contact.” The 'stories' are persistent, yes, because UFO hucksters keep repeating them -- but ZERO astronauts have actually made such spaceflight reports, it's all media misrepresentation or total fabrication, for a gullible internet audience of nincompoops. 'Official confirmation' is only the misquoted astronauts making it clear the stories are bogus.
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  97. In your dreams. Why are you such an easy mark for internet UFO scammers?
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  98.  @ericparedes8160  - Behind? [grin] I'm not disputing the existence of UFOs, just the claim these videos show unexplainable space events that can only be explained by UFOs being real. I watched these kinds of scenes live for years, in Mission Control, and in replay, and on youtube -- and came to realize how unearthly they were in terms of traditional visual cues that are valid on Earth under normal earth conditions, but no longer apply -- and even are misleading in zero-G bright-sun invisible-shadow vacuum with vehicles spewing and burping fluids at random intervals and directions. Nobody starts off knowing this. Those who close their eyes and minds to the visual consequences of the different environment will remain blind to it. Intelligent people can indeed be baffled by, and seriously misinterpret, these scenes. When they are motivated to examine their subconscious instinctive and learned perceptual methods compared to the first new environment of human perception in history, they should check out the advice of people who have already done it. Otherwise their visual cortex will remain earthbound and their judgments on the nature of these videos will be astronomically erroneous. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  99. USSR collapsed first.
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  100. The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  101. I guess not.
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  102. Here's my overview 'moon race' lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  103. Darrell found gold from TV program advertisers seeking an audience of gullible simpletons who will fall for ANYTHING they see on screen.
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  104.  @gutzzgutzz6795  == "It"??
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  105. I believe you're about 12 years old.
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  106. Was a Pentagon wet dream [Design Reference Mission 3A/3B] but never actually happened, the payoff evntually was in freaking the Soviets into unnecessarily installing destruct charges in their spysats, and then figuring a way to hack their command codes.
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  107.  @QuizmasterLaw -- I know it didn't happen with shuttle because I led the MCC team that was responsible for orbital rendezvous. Sorry if you're disappointed! [grin]
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  108. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  109. We found out later that all their flight fatalities had really been disclosed, the 'secret dead cosmonaut' stories were all bogus.
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  110.  @cl-kb7xy  == “Oberg’s law of commercializing credulity” As commercial advertising transitions to internet platforms the selection of where to place such ads is influenced by estimation of where are the most vulnerably credulous viewers. Websites seeking commercial ad revenue recognize the income advantages of being known as an attractant to gullible viewers who are easily manipulated by ego-boosting, who literally will believe anything they are shown if it makes them feel smarter than their peers. These tales are the kind of conspiratorial ‘woke’ stories that have over the years been shown to attract exactly such a vulnerable audience for opportunistic exploitation. Please keep in mind the possibility that it's a media con job for fun and profit, and that there might not BE any secrets of the space program, but because lots of people love to think they know stuff other people don't, there will always be money to be made inventing phony 'secrets' for a target audience. And as Is common with art forgeries throughout history, once somebody has been tricked, their own ego rejects any chance they were imprudent or just easily tricked, and they energetically reject any contrary advice or evidence.
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  111.  @cl-kb7xy  == You've done a lot of thinking on this. Always keep a nagging back-of-your-mind voice chanting the refrain, 'What if I'm mistaken?' Confirmation-bias is a classic human intellectual trap, needing active deliberate resistance, especially regarding stuff you believe [and refuse to question] because it makes you feel smarter -- and changing your mind is NOT a sign of weakness. .
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  112. The V-2's helped the Allies win the war sooner. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  113. More details, please... like when? This sounds plausible for the 1960's, please try to remember details.
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  114. " he was denied cause of racism. " == So where is there ANY first or second had witnesses to the alleged nasty comment from Yeager? There's one half-century old THIRD-hand account from a guy with a justifiable grudge, plus Yeager's denial [and endorsement of his color-blindness from black pilots who actually flew with him] plus the record of no actual personal actions of that suggested type ever happening.
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  115.  Pill Cosby  -- No, I seriously want an answer. And all I've gotten so far are dodges and evasions, like yours.
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  116.  @4Everlast  -- I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement [I was a real 'rocket scientist'] I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  117.  @benproudfoot1409  == " presumably because he resented the Kennedy administration’s involvement in what he perceived as his domain" == No need to presume, I thought he spelled it out clearly, he felt Dwight didn't measure up to established criteria and was being given a pass for political propaganda motives. Influence-pedaling in promotions and assignments was not unheard of, and was culturally anathema to operational commanders who considered it physically dangerous in high-hazard duties. Speaking of not measuring up, was the issue of Dwight's height ever of interest, him being three inches shorter than the minimum design pilot height for the Apollo Lunar Module?
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  118. They killed it, too much outright fake stuff in the first two seasons.
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  119. "Secret dead cosmonauts' was a rumor in the 1960s but turned out to be fully mythical. Never actually happened. Some people will believe anything to trick themselves into thinking they're smarter than ordinary folks who live in the real world.
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  120. b1njjj95 -- Let's argue constructively. Help me out with flaws in my solution to the notorious STS-48 1991 zig-zag UFOs. For a debate with Greer at Purdue in 1999, here's my presentation charts with annotations, let me know what's not clear. In my 20+ years in Mission Control I watched a LOT of weird-looking [but ‘space normal’] scenes on the big screens. I was on console for that STS-48 mission, just a different shift. Later I debated it with a UFO nut on Larry King's show. I’d appreciate any advice on presentation content and style, to improve its readability. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  121. Well, if you check on-line report databases for that actual date, several people in the same viewing area filed reports from the same time that evening. Triangulation of their reported viewing directions from scattered locations shows the object was far to the southwest, just where the NASA rocket was flying. http://thecid.com/ufo/chrono/chrono/1969.htm 6 January 1969 18:30 - Auburndale, Florida, USA - One object was observed by three witnesses. 153 Keel, John A. UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse; 208 Huyghe, Patrick Special Report on 1968 Cases; 305 Eberhart, George M. A Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies Greenwood Press, Westport, 1980 6 January 1969 18:30 - Spartanburg Sw, South Carolina, USA - Nocturnal lights were observed by a male witness (Beliste). 305; 676 Hatch, Larry U computer database Author, Redwood City, 2002 6 January 1969 19:00 - Greenwood, South Carolina, USA - More than two objects were observed by a male witness. 153; 208; 305 more: http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html
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  122. Message posted over a world-wide computerized information system invented by [drumroll please] the USA.
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  123.  @levistokes3960  -- That could well be true, and they even could be observing us at any level of detectability they decide. The 'astronaut UFO encounter' stories are still bogus modern myths.
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  124.  God_Laughs _At_Atheists  == The 'astronaut UFO encounter' stories are still bogus modern myths.
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  125.  God_Laughs _At_Atheists  -- Assuming there ARE advanced technologies roaming the Galaxy, our ability to detect them is entirely a matter of THEIR preference. I can imagine NO evidence-based argument that they do NOT exist. The only issue we are capable of addressing is whether what we ARE seeing can only be explained by ETI agency. So far I am completely unimpressed with the proposed evidence for that.
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  126. Try accepting that countries all around the world have rockets and this is what they look like at twilight. How many examples do you want? This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf The Trident was two years earlier.... MISSILE FREAK-OUT IN CALIFORNIA [NOV 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf Nov 07, 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/151107-cali_slbm_witness_analysis.pdf
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  127.  @USAlien234  == My current sleuthing passion involves investigations of world-wide 'rocket spotting' experiences. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement I've been collecting public views of worldwide rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions by imprudently relying on time-tested but obsolete earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  128. Bottom row right end of your keyboard has a dot called a 'full stop'. Ask somebody what it's used for.
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  129. "... shipwrecks that an astronaut noticed from space decades ago..." -- Totally bogus premise, show jumped the shark with discovery of underwater alien spaceship in Season 2, then Season 3 cancelled, gullible nitwit audience heart-broken. Shocker.
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  130. You're on, I'll take your bet. The Apollo UFO stories are UFOric fables aimed at mental-aged five-year-olds.
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  131.  @blackaf1s37 -- You're dreaming, bro.
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  132. Horse crash.
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  133. -- WTF do =YOU= know about 'thinking', based on your idiotically ignorant comments?
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  134.  @shawnm5860  == Most of us left schoolyard recess name-calling behind in 6th grade. The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  135.  @jasonpeters9865  - Sorry, I don't get the joke. Are you talking about the comment from Apollo-8 when they realized they weren't going to die?
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  136. In your dreams.
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  137. You should have stopped typing at "I'm simpl…"
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  138. It would have been harder to fake it. Norman Mailer, ‘Of A Fire on the Moon” -- “The event was so removed, however, so unreal, that no objective correlative existed to prove it had not been an event staged in a television studio - the greatest con of the century - and indeed a good mind, product of the iniquities, treacheries, gold, passions, invention, deception, and rich worldly stink of the Renaissance, could hardly deny that the event, if bogus, was as great a creation in mass hoodwinking, deception, and legerdemain as the true ascent was in discipline and technology. Indeed, conceive of the genius of such a conspiracy. It would take criminals and confidence men mightier, more trustworthy and more resourceful than anything in this century or the ones before. Merely to conceive of such men was the surest way to know the event was not staged.”
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  139. Thoughtful comments, worth discussing. Thank you. Here's my 'moon race' overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  140. Other examples over the decades.... http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  141. His highly-publicized presence in the two USAF test pilot schools in 1962-3 inspired a wave of follow-on fully-qualified black pilots such as Robert Lawrence, picked for USAF astronaut status in 1967, and others who became shuttle astronauts. Some died alongside their white colleagues on fatal missions [their names deserve special honor, too], and one became NASA Administrator who always honored Dwight for being his initial inspiration. We got where we are today because of pioneers such as Dwight, who deserve all the honor they earned.
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  142. Aldrin's balls?
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  143. No, you never 'thought', you drowned in delusion and fantasy. It was a rocket whether you like it or not.
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  144. Here's my overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  145. Would you like a primer on relative motion of objects in low Earth orbit or do you LIKE appearing ignorant of basics of astrodynamics?
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  146.  @davidadams2395  -- Do you suppose the NASA selection board paid attention to the awkward fact he was three inches below the minimum height design for the Lunar Module? He was 5'3", the shortest pilots that could fly the LM were 5'6". Why is this fact ignored and omitted by the grievance-fanning industry?
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  147.  @CynicalOldDwarf  == Don't be a jerk. The Kennedy White House made a political pawn out of him, chewed him up and spit him out when he was no longer politically useful. Now to cynics iit looks a lot like the 'politically correct' enhanced version of his story is useful again to the Dems to foster more inter-racial resentments to 'get out the vote'. The guy deserves all the honor we can give him for enduring, and inspiring, and finding a much higher artistic calling to everyone's benefit, so just lay off.
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  148.  @wasted2106  -- It's not, though. The Hebrew word that we pronounce as "NASA," (correctly; na-sar), is the slightly different, "נָשָׂא," which is an archaic verb root meaning "to lift, bear up, carry, or take." There are claims that the word is used in the Bible, and that much is true. It is used 654 times in 611 verses, none of those is related to deception. When you happen upon someone claiming or suggesting anything, it is always best to do your own research before convincing yourself it is 120% true.
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  149.  @davidblakeman1995  == It's be better when you call him a dumbass [correctly] if you didn't misspell 'you're', I suggest you fix it.
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  150. Thanks, fox, we're all still learning about mysteries of outer space and I look forward to Paris sharing what they have to contribute -- and vice versa. I've definitely found some spaceflight-related anomaly reports WELL worth focusing on.
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  151. The saucer can also be triangulated by lines-of-sight as the photographer moved. The views criss-cross right under the overhead power line that is usually cropped out of most UFO-published versions.
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  152. David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  153. Sadly, Cooper was well along into Parkinson's by then, a terrible malady often accompanied by delusions and false memories. The guy was a true hero and earned his adulation, and he deserved his late-in-life privacy -- but the con men and exploiters circled like vultures to make money off his weakened mind and his desperate loneliness. Shameful.
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  154. He never said there were aliens, the UFO scammers made that up to rot your brain, and it worked.
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  155.  @carloswilson44  == "so you're really telling me that in an infinite universe, we are the only life? " == You seem to have a fundamental problem with reading for comprehension. Isn't there some local junior college that offers a basic course in that, can I pitch in for the tuition ?
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  156.  @arnoldskit -- Ice flakes that tumble in the sunlight. Want other examples? Here's the view of a witness, Story Musgrave: http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave_ramble.pdf
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  157.  @MrPatriickzz  == Simple: I'm still looking for a single UFO buff to punch holes in my detailed reports on specific cases, identify flaws requiring strengthening OR revision, like genuine ufologists such as Maccabee and Sparks and a few others did, long ago -- to my great benefit. Your tactics of avoiding evidence and questioning the motives of the person asking awkward questions is all too sadly familiar. It looks like you're just behaving like another intelligent eager-believer who admits they can't find any, flaws in my analyses but still seems to want to be misled by the UFO hucksters. I'm really curious about the psychology of that.
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  158. Do you want to know why,, or are you having too much fun pretending to be smarter than the astronauts? Hint: The crew took much sharper 70-mm handheld camera images, WHY do you suppose the UFO hucksters hid them from you? For your own good, or theirs?
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  159. Details addressed to the original on-line article: https://www.9news.com/article/news/community/voices-of-change/ed-dwight-first-black-astronaut/73-ebebf9f3-d98f-4850-b392-1e3f1feedc39 “Ed Dwight never became an astronaut because of racial tensions in 1963.” == The AF nominated Dwight for consideration in NASA’s 1963 class [6 of whom went to the moon] but NASA did not include him in a group of ~30 finalists interviewed in Houston, based on their own standards. Allegations of a campaign to isolate him in training are flimsy, based on a single third-hand hearsay command attributed to school commandant Chuck Yeager that has never been confirmed by any first or second-hand witness, that apparently had zero impact on his studies and social life, and which was denied both by Yeager and by other students in his class. “I got a letter inviting me to join the astronaut corps” – Elsewhere Dwight describes it as a letter inviting him to test pilot school, but the letter has never been shown to biographers. He attended and successfully completed that school and a follow-on ‘Aerospace Research Pilot’ school, but never any NASA ‘astronaut training’., and on graduation got a top test pilot assignment in Ohio. With President John F. Kennedy as his sponsor… == The JFK library apparently has no written record of such sponsorship [or any interest by the President], other sources say Robert Kennedy had pushed to have a black astronaut without naming anyone specifically, and USAF officials found him. But in 1963, when the man behind his mission was assassinated, racism took off instead. .. == NASA had already made its selection two months earlier, passing over Dwight, possibly because of his lower class standing [and other professional reasons] and perhaps also because at 5’03” he was three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module. No white candidate with equivalent credentials was picked, either. Even coming in seventh in a class of 17 test pilots wasn't enough. == Of Dwight’s class, only #1 and #2 were picked by NASA, so of course #7 wouldn’t have been enough for anybody. Hypothetical racist objections seemed to have played no role to Major Robert Lawrence’s selection as a real astronaut only a few years later.
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  160. MUCH better.
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  161. Date and time and location?
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  162. Diego, the dragon bit your butt. Rockets and satellites are in sunlight that close to sunset [or sunrise]. Here's an example on page 12. MISSILE FREAK-OUT IN CALIFORNIA [NOV 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf
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  163. I thought they had space rockets too. Duh?
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  164.  @CandisWatts  -- I try to explain a lot of this weird space stuff here: www.jamesoberg.com
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  165. Please don't reproduce.
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  166. The 'space treasure map' is a hoax by some cable 'science' channel to sucker more viewers who are gullible victims. Oh, BTW, the space flights were and are real.
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  167.  @KellySmith-lc5lw  -- I've had practice, it gets easier [grin]. And I've met lots of great folks this way, here's an example of research I've done via comment threads on youtube videos of space launch sightings... Observation of the SpaceX deorbit burn on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/181007-stage2_deorbit.pdf
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  168.  @dahawk8574  - What's your version?
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  169. Not a documentary, more of a 'crockumentary'.
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  170. "Agency documents contain suggested procedures that should be followed in the event that contact is made with an ET civilization ." == Show us, who says? Nobody but over-imaginative UFO salesmen like the guy on this program. "
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  171. It was 3 hours before sunrise, the flame of the engine in the sky should have been visible for hundreds of kilometers.
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  172.  @madcacher1119  -- It’s not intelligence that I’ve realized is the major barrier to public authentic assessment of these scenes – it’s lack of effective awareness of really how unearthly, alien, and counter-intuitive counter-instinctual the new space environment really is. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  173.  @madcacher1119  -- The dots are close small stuff from a routine shuttle waste water dump. The crew could determine that by using 2-eye depth perception. You can determine that clearly from the handheld 70-mm camera images the crew made as the shuttle passed under the tether that had broken away four days before. You can understand the unwillingness of the UFO huckster industry to show THOSE inconvenient images to their target audience.
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  174. Per this question on another thread: Why am I hanging around here? Fair question, even though as a retired ‘rocket scientist’ I do have other hobbies, too, and a delightful family and circle of friends around me and online. My main interest is in identifying the fundamental public misconceptions about space flight [my lifetime career and avocation] that leaves so many young people vulnerable to such bizarre and poisonous fake theories, and I’m not even talking about ‘flat Earth’ and ‘Apollo fake’ nuts, they’re just clinically insane. It’s the unannounced ‘secret discoveries’ fakery [aliens, casualties, discoveries, etc], designed to sucker in folks who know little about real space history, who had no effective education in even the most superficial aspects of the Space Age [say, a BSA merit badge in ‘Space Exploration’, or ever spent an attentive day at a real aerospace museum], and what they do ‘know’ is usually wrong anyway. The nature of such misconceptions, and the most effective ways to clear them up, is what I’m trying to uncover, meme by meme. Not to mention methods to get through the simple psychological barrier of persuading somebody that they were duped by a huckster, an ego-bruising exercise that most professional [and cynical] fraudsters know can keep their victims trapped in their own ego-boosting delusional states far longer than disinterested outside observers. In that search for higher communicative effectiveness I also hope intelligent but different-opinion folks will look at my on-line reports and advise where they find flaws, or inadequacies, or missed opportunities for better arguments – or sometimes tell me exactly which arguments actually changed their own minds. And through commenting hereabouts [sometimes helpful, sometimes confrontational, sometimes serious, sometimes comical, often provocative] I’ve actually been getting all these benefits and putting them into good use in my writings and public appearances. Most valuable of all, I get advice and suggested links and personal experiences that profoundly widen my own personal experience base and permit me to focus in on a small but definitely non-zero number of RELLY anomalous-looking spaceflight events. I’m grateful for ALL the responses, supportive OR critical, and I hope that due to them, my views and my publications reflect higher and higher effectiveness to finding OUT, and telling ABOUT, this awesome new sphere of human experience, outer space.
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  175.  @omgz8876  -- The crew could see the stuff was small and close, they watched it with their own two-eyed depth perception. Also, their hand-held 70-mm photos showed they were close because the images were out of focus when the camera was set to infinity. 70-mm photos? Oh, those photos, the ones that the UFO hucksters hid from you so you were more easily duped, those photos. And there was a Swiss astronaut and two Italians on the crew so don't fall back on the silly they-must-have-been-sworn-to-secrecy gimmick.
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  176. That's how typical satellite debris flies, want examples?
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  177.  @JohnDoe-ky6wz  -- I can't dispute that, or the experience-based instinct to generalize. There were plenty of authentic horrifying realities of racist hate and violence then, and later. The record also shows NASA was on the side of the angels on all levels of confrontation, so these accusations aren't just inaccurate, they're irresponsible. imho.
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  178. Man, I want a wad of what =YOU'RE= smoking.
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  179. It was the 'social order' not to expose women to the fatality rate of test pilot operations. Ten times higher than the WW2 women pilots faced. That has changed and now women astronauts have paid the butcher's bill alongside men in space, and that's proper.
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  180.  @guilhermerls2272  -- What exactly is it, that you claim Aldrin saw on his Apollo-11 flight? Why don't you believe it was what he has consistently said it was, for fifty years? NOT aliens.
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  181. NASA workers roll on the floor in laughter over simpletons who think these dots are aliens.
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  182. … … or hoaxes from internet hucksters exploiting the gullibility of their target audience of nincompoops.
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  183. GifCo, any questions?
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  184. During my research into Cooper's stories, I got a candid note from somebody from his own home time, very illuminating [and sad]: JA McDonald · -- As a native of Cooper's hometown, Shawnee OK, went to the same grade school as he did (although later) and even knew the man who taught him to fly I can speak with some authority of who he was. I'll begin by saying we were distressed to see the reality show supposedly based on his "maps." We were obviously thrilled when he was named one of the original 7, gave our little town a real boost, we knew him, his parents, even his grandmothers. After his selection he and his wife and daughters came back for a parade and we kids got to shake his hand. Then his two times in space were exciting and he came back for another parade in front of thousands. Then he was more or less "fired" from NASA, didn't fit into the program any more and frankly, he didn't know what to do with himself. He was an only child, his father was a judge, and he hadn't prepared himself to be anything but a pilot. He came back a few times at first, usually to visit classmates, and we named all sorts of stuff after our "favorite son." Some years later, after a few failed business ventures, which in most cases he WAS taken advantage of because of his celebrity. The new local Vo-Tech school was named for and he was flown in to attend a banquet but he was so drunk he wasn't called on to make a speech. Some of his close friends sadly reported several of his attempts to "start companies" but admitted he wasn't very reliable. Nobody ever said he was a crook but easily taken advantage of and didn't have any business sense. Everybody around here knew not to trust him, as he was drinking heavily. He split from his wife of 30 years. Many had hoped he would help with a museum with NASA articles like the one Tom Stafford was setting up in Weatherford OK but never even got responses from Cooper . . . think he wasn't really welcome there anymore, especially after his book came out about aliens. Occasionally there's a push to erect a monument in his honor but old timers who've know his story since the beginning as too enthusiastic, not to be mean but not wanting to call attention to his later life. As one man said, if we ever do make sure he's in a space suit and not a business suit. Most who know declare that he wasn't a con man . . . just wasn't business-smart. As one classmate said some years ago while sitting in the coffee shop, "Maybe something happened to him out there in space. He seemed an all right guy in high school . . . a little spoiled but nice enough guy." ….
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  185. ABC "NEWS" is fake.
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  186.  @buddhamack1491  == Exactly. I enjoy tall-tale-telling, both hearing and occasionally doing it myself. But piggy-backing on a genuine hero's mental health problems in his twilight years, and accusing NASA of covering up the mission's purpose, crosses my 'red line'.
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  187. The issue of a 'secret sensor' on Mercury-9 in 1963 is controversial, folks in the spaceflight community think it's preposterous for a number of reasons. Miklos hasn't yet provided enough details of the story he says Cooper told him to check it all out, but a lot of the initial claims are dubious [and Cooper WAS telling a lot of wild stories in his later years]]. For example, there were only a few dozen ground photos taken, none over the Caribbean area [the 'thousands' claim is a misinterpreted comment about counting something else entirely]. The idea of a secret sensor trailing on a tether fails any number of 'reality checks'. There was no known way to determine latitude/longitude by eyeball out the window, and the idea of Cooper keeping a secret logbook that NASA never was shown DOES sound like a SciFi movie. The finds DO look impressive, whether they were from a 'secret map' or other research Miklos and his Dad have been doing for decades is still unclear. Using the 'space map' story to get funding for the dives might have been a clever sales ploy, more power to him.
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  188. Thanks for the interesting link. The flight was real. Lots of official reportage was propaganda-driven.
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  189. [snoring]
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  190. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  191. Cool, he was a semi-finalist for the 1978 class? http://www.spacefacts.de/bios/candidates/english/greene_lionel.htm George Carruthers, a noted astronomer, was also a runner-up then IIRC. https://youtu.be/d2eNwNNHMIk
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  192.  @TeraGreene1  -- We [in our 70's] are safely hunkered down and well-provisioned, but our anxiety for family, friends, and strangers is intense. Bless you for thinking to ask. As a retired 'rocket scientist', I'm researching the Ed Dwight story intensely, it's far more complex than the simple 'NASA racism' meme that's so politically profitable these days.
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  193. Uh, no. Only handful of the early astronauts ever flew X-planes, and many were younger than 29 at selection. Aside from his middlin' class standing, one key deal-breaker may have been his height, 3" too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module.
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  194. There are dim echoes of verified events in your comments but mostly they are imaginary. There were rumors about that in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf Ppt http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonot.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  195.  @kenarnold9132  -- Did you read any of my links? Or look me up on Wikipedia?
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  196.  @kenarnold9132  -- Yeah, I just got back from watering the fruit trees. You know the technology terms and events, you think/write clearly, there are plenty of continuing mysteries with new internet resources if you can handle Russian, if you want to get into some real 'sleuthing Russian space shit' let me know. There's a group called 'fpspace' you might want to look into and drop in on.
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  197.  @kenarnold9132  -- Awesome, sounds like time for a whole new edition: http://www.jamesoberg.com/disasters.html
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  198.  @kenarnold9132  -- I started studying Russian soon after Sputnik, I get by pretty well [can handle мать and каламбуры adequately, but still use google-translate for formal exchanges. I scan Yandex.ru daily. I still get laughs when I describe how the космодром байконур was renamed in the post-Soviet era as the байкадром космодур.
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  199.  @kenarnold9132  Are you still full-time near Moscow? We've lived in rural Galveston County since the AF posted me to NASA in 1975, and I resigned my commission 4 years later to homestead.
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  200.  @kenarnold9132  -BTW th cursing cosmonaut was Komarov, during the flight, as system after system malfunctioned, I was told at one point over the Crimea station he shouted "Devil-machine, nothing I touch is functioning". A guy who claimed to have served with an NSA post in Turkey a year later [Winslow Peck was the name he used, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Fellwock] claimed that old-timers told him that later that day they brought his wife in to talk with him, but that must be mythical because she would have been in Moscow, not Yevpatoriya.
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  201.  @kenarnold9132  "a manual of russian to english translation " = I have the 25-page DLI [Monterey] dictionary of Russian curses which I avidly studied, mostly for defensive purposes.
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  202. Returning booster components to Earth for reuse is new for SpaceX, and spectacular in twilight.
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  203. You heard that, but they were lying to you, because they knew they'd get away with it.
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  204. And the swarm really was just ice flakes from a routine water dump.
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  205.  @steadfastcoward  -- In the early days the estimates of future overflight times were pretty rough, so the SWLs around the world often listened almost continuously.
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  206.  @MsKiTTy1138  -- Hundreds if not thousands of worldwide SWLs heard and taped those beeps, what's your problem?
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  207.  @Adftli  == They flare and vanish quickly because they usually hit the atmosphere more steeply, getting into much denser air within seconds and undergoing deceleration in the 100's of G's, that pulverizes the material.
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  208.  @ericparedes8160  =-- look me up on Wikipedia.
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  209.  @thizzlemetimbrs8194  == Some Changing course like sts-75 Shuttle water dump ice flakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HrqiB3qaJg&feature=youtu.be&t=107 https://youtu.be/6HrqiB3qaJg
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  210. [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA *** sts-75 dump 2:25 sunrise [note glare at top of screen] Plus list of explanatory links https://youtu.be/xEoRLGCfuRQ freaking out over ice flakes [daytime vid] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpCFaSrFkOQ water dump [especially last clp] https://youtu.be/huGY8KNj0_w isolated flashers https://youtu.be/1MViYOo6gRg cluelessers https://youtu.be/WyjI6iFP16c shadow on dump https://youtu.be/jzQmJpOrEPw
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  211.  @upshiftgo  -- How long after the tether broke away did that swarm show up, do you think? Martyn Stubbs says the entire sequence he released is 'uncut'.
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  212.  @upshiftgo  -- When you finally catch on to how easily you were duped by the internet UFO hucksters, drop in on people who really were deeply involved for some reality checks, ice flakes and all. www.jamesoberg.com Meanwhile, listen to your relatives and friends who giggle at your ravings, they are trying to help.
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  213.  @BaronSaturday66  -- The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for twenty years: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm
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  214.  @BaronSaturday66  == Based on the documentation and crew interviews and contemporary press reporting, what really happened was that the tether quickly drifted out of sight after the break, falling behind the speeding shuttle in its lower orbit. It wasn't until FOUR DAYS LATER when the shuttle 'lapped' the slower tether satellite that it overtook it and the tether was briefly visible soon after successive sunrises as the shuttle passed under it. --- The passage of four entire days raises some major problems with the swarm-as-visitors scenario, mainly, were they there already for days [and if so, why weren't they seen from Earth like the tether was?]? If not, why would they show up ONLY when the shuttle was passing near the tether -- unless they were always associated with the shuttle and NOT the tether. --- Also, the resumption of normal shuttle activities meant it was once again performing routine water dumps, which are known to produce lingering swarms of dots, particularly visible at sunrise. These swarms were also observed sporadically in the hours leading up to the fly-past, long before the tether itself became visible. -- Lastly, the crew took extensive handheld 70-mm photo shots out their overhead windows, showing the tether in the distance and a few out of focus dots passing across the window [the TV camera outside was a lot closer to the water dump nozzles]. You might note that the UFO salesmen have consistently concealed the existence of those 70-mm shots from their target audience, and you might be curious why the non-disclosure. --- These facts, all of which were released by NASA but concealed in the UFO media, ought to make you re-evaluate your image of what happened in this event, It's probably pretty shocking.
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  215. What's unbelievable about the satellite reentry explanation?
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  216.  @PaquiPaqui73 == There were honest amateur sleuths in those days too, such as the 'Kettering Group'. Sven Grahn on his home page has some personal memoirs of working with them in the 1960s.
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  217.  @PaquiPaqui73 == There were honest amateur sleuths in those days too, such as the 'Kettering Group'. Sven Grahn on his home page has some personal memoirs of working with them in the 1960s.
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  218. We didn't, it's a made-up story aimed gullible nincompoops. The Internet is a target-rich environment for such eager-believer victims.
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  219. If the controlled deorbit had worked, THEN it would have been 'fishy'.
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  220. Thanks for the Insights. This recording is still bogus, and dishonestly plays with the human compassion of its target audience. Shameful, IMHO.
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  221. The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were incorrect long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  222. Still a rocket, traveling into outer space.
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  223. Why =NOT= a satellite reentry?
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  224.  @Watchingyou-r9q  -- Please be more cautious about these incendiary stories. The 'shunning order' is very dubious, nobody's ever found a first or second hand witness to it, in half a century. Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58
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  225.  @corneliusalterego6527  == As a historian not committed to any particular person, I'm still trying to locate a single first or second-hand witness to the alleged 'shun him' order from Yeager aimed at Dwight. Any practical help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
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  226.  @corneliusalterego6527  == ""you’re missing a LOT of information."" -- Yes, that can ALWAYS be a problem, especially with half-century old narratives. So 'due diligence' obliges us ALL to seek out supplemental and contextual information, as I've been trying to do on this controversy. Along those lines, what have you heard of regarding the suggestion Dwight was three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module?
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  227. There were LOTS of such stories in those days [mid-1960s]. Those were the first subjects of my initial Soviet space history investigations. NONE of the in-flight rumors checked out, but I did locate one cosmonaut secretly killed in a ground fire and another expelled and expunged for ideological reasons.. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with... 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  228.  @thurston383  -- OK, but I suspect this is a waste of time. The Lunar Module has two stages, the heavier one for landing on its legs, with storage space for exploration gear, and the lighter one on top with space only for the crew, their camera film, and a sample box. The descent module remains on the moon, the rover is parked some distance away and its remote-controlled camera watches the takeoff of the departing crew. When they reach the Command Module circling above the moon, they transfer their stuff into it, and leave that module behind when they head back to Earth. Is this news to you?
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  229. Naw, =THEY= were the ones doing the pranking, followed by today's internet hucksters reviving the old fakes.
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  230.  @firestormlivingsolutions  -- Maybe someday the last brother will confess.
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  231.  @kareemsalessi  [facepalm]
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  232. Might there have been non-racist criteria at NASA that Dwight failed to adequately satisfy?
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  233. Astronaut Jerry Ross dropped it.
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  234.  @grdovwd1589  - Thoughtful response, let me ponder... THANKS.
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  235. Why do you think this explanation fails, explain please?
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  236. He actually saw a NASA experiment. Based on a more accurate determination of where Carter was, and the date, a very suggestive 'hit' can be made by a documented NASA barium cloud rocket launched at that time and reported in local newspapers the next day. It's fair to point out that UFO promoters have used this story for decades without ANY of them uncovering the original report's errors in place and date OR the remarkable coincidence of the sighting with a 'classic' pseudo-UFO stimulus. Tut tut. http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html
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  237. Press reports won't tell you the full story, including potential non-racial reasons why NASA chose other pilots. But his presence in the two USAF test pilot schools in 1962-3 inspired a wave of follow-on fully-qualified black pilots such as Robert Lawrence, picked for USAF astronaut status in 1967, and others who became shuttle astronauts. Some died alongside their white colleagues on fatal missions [their names deserve special honor, too], and one became NASA Administrator who always honored Dwight for being his initial inspiration. We got where we are today because of pioneers such as Dwight, who deserve all the honor they earned.
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  238. OK, who exactly has provided verifiable 'leaks' that NASA has concealed evidence of UFO encounters by astronauts in space? Not anonymous hall-whispers or nameless bloggers -- people who really were there, and know from personal experience?
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  239.  @funkmaticflowz616  -- Thanks for conceding you have no real evidence for this belief about Aldrin' experiences. Enjoy!
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  240. It's even harder seeing so many gullible nincompoops falling for a half-century-old hoax.
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  241.  @phoebedraws852  -- of course you can. but you can't make up your own 'facts' and claim they're real because you want them to be, and then also be considered a rational adult.
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  242. This came to you in a dream, maybe?
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  243. I'm doubtful you have a working brain.
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  244. @Mysterious Blue Space Entity Channel == "They shot the black knight satellite down. " -- In your dreams.
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  245. I posted links a year ago presenting the evidence these recordings were hoaxed, and were debunked decades ago. Scan down this comment thread for my name.
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  246. good idea, how can I help?
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  247.  @almostserious75  -- Did you actually hear what he said he saw?
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  248.  @Ivansgarage212  -- "so why Haven’t we gone back to the Moon 30 years "== This is a fake question, it's been explained again and again and if you =REALLY= wanted to know, you'd have found the answer yourself long ago. Are you that helpless?
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  249.  @Ivansgarage212  - I know a lot of kids believe that, and it makes them feel important and smarter than everybody else, but I'm curious what actual verifiable evidence or testimony they have seen that persuaded them -- because the claims I've seen all seem pretty lame.
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  250.  @AmelioLaylow  -- You should identify any factual/logical flaws in my report on the Apollo-11 UFO fairy tales.
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  251. True nitwit idea.
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  252. Beginning with Vostok-2 they announced it openly.
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  253. We know exactly what it was, identifiable pieces have been recovered. Reentry predictions are uncertain along several thousand miles of the predicted flight path, but these sightings lined up precisely with that predicted path at the time the object was known to be flying along it. What's your problem with the explanation?
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  254.  @SW-oy5zw  == I've posted the links in the DISCUSSION folder of your youtube home page.
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  255. Ryan is correct, there were alert messages about the coming reentry on the internet.
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  256.  @basedbear1605  == What facts did I assert, that you disagree with? These are Falcon9 rocket launches flying normally into orbit. Why do you disagree?
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  257.  @basedbear1605  -- You're by no means alone in this fundamental misunderstanding -- even the first 'rocket scientists' were shocked by what they first thought was happening in front of their eyes: Here's a story about why people are always puzzled when they first see an orbital launch -- and how it terrified viewers of Sputnik-1's blastoff.... http://www.thespacereview.com/article/971/1
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  258. Yes, there were crockumentaries with actors, saying exactly that. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf There could be real ETI observing -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  259. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  260. The Miklos family has been scouting the region for decades, looking for angles to fund dives they've wanted to make. If they persuade a TV program to fund them, what do they care they exploit a sick old ex-hero's ravings and smear the reputation of the early US space program?
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  261. Why not start a fund to buy him a ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  262.  Tink Tong  -- I'm just interested in determining the historical, verifiable facts of the narrative. What's wrong with that?
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  263. Mostly it's tanks, engines are rare.
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  264.  @nicholasmaude6906  -- Were these actual survival from orbit, or from launch aborts?
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  265. It's just not true, they had to reproduce stage mass at the segments they were practicing.
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  266. [facepalm]
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  267. Most 'secrets' of the Russian space program have been solved but the circumstances of his fatal crash remain very mysterious.
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  268.  @cl-kb7xy  = "because they regularly cut the live feeds on the ISS whenever metallic objects come into the frames" == How can they recognize 'metallic', or are you just assuming that? And don't they cut the feed regularly as the station moves from one comsat coverage zone to another?
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  269.  @cl-kb7xy  -- Re the video's specific example: no, Armstrong and Aldrin didn't encounter UFOs on the Apollo-11 mission. Do you want to see the evidence proving those stories are spurious?
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  270. "Footage with 90 degree turns and loops is really what is compelling." == Except when the autopilot triggers brief thruster pulses to keep the spaceship pointed correctly, hitting ice flakes that routinely spew from the external nozzles and slowly tumble in the sunlight.
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  271.  @JR-xi2md  -- Good advice for all of us, there are too many temptations around us trying to lure us into that doom. Now, how can we find any real witnesses to the alleged Yeager comment, that could well have reached Dwight's ears in highly garbled form, considering how many tongues it had to pass through to get to him?
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  272.  @tim8767  -- Happy New Year. Back at you. What kinds of harassment and disruption should we expect next year from the more extreme Apollo-was-a-hoax folks as the grownups prepare to celebrate the 50th anniversary of a real human triumph?
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  273. Yeah, that was another rocket. Get a clue.
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  274. Thanks for your service, and for sharing that incident. The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were incorrect long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  275.  @ethics3  == I've gotten my way, by proving accurate over the decades. Breaks your heart, doesn't it? In the 1970s and 1980s, our small world-wide pre-internet sleuthing fraternity had enormous fun with these investigations, which required diligence, luck, grit, and patience, as well as some Russian language facility. And as I keep saying, the 'Golden Age of Russian Space Secret Sleuthing" is NOT over by any means. It remains a 'target-rich environment'. And new volunteers are always welcome as new lines of inquiry are uncovered. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  276. He says there were no aliens, I believe him, here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  277. #4 from NASA was a routine external tank jettison from a shuttle launch. There frequently was a weird white object drifting by that was the ice sheath off the ET to Orbiter cryogenic fuel feed line, always soon after tank jettison.
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  278.  @benproudfoot1409  -- Funny thing is, all we have is a third-hand hearsay, sole source and uncorroborated, while Dwight himself later said some students kissed up to him trying to piggy-back on his White House influence. Nobody's found a single other witness in half a century.
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  279.  @benproudfoot1409  -- As you wish. I'll keep looking independently, if you have any suggested directions, please share them. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  280. Any more questions?
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  281. There were alert messages about the coming reentry on the internet
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  282. Spot on. The entire 'secret space treasure map' story is a crockumentary hoax.
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  283. What's wrong with the rocket reentry explanation?
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  284. Many comments here follow the thesis of Lesli Kean that pilots are 'trained observers' and collect very accurate and reliable descriptions of anomalies. But maybe that's naïve. Several years ago, I described the ‘questionable foundation’ of Leslie Kean’s book as the naïve and unverified faith in pilot reports. She has insisted the UFOs show intelligent purpose based on the nature of their witnesses, since they behave differently when seen by military pilots than when seen by civilian pilots [when the more common-sense explanation is that different pilots report observations in terms of what they expect from their own different experience bases]. The data archives she touts as ‘unexplainable’ pilot sightings [such as the French ‘Weinstein Report’] can easily be shown to contain numerous pilot misinterpretations of unrecognized space and missile activity around the world, so who knows how many other prosaic explanations were never found by the ‘investigators’? See here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190101223008/http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38852385
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  285. More and more boosters are carrying more and more payloads. This is what they look like on reentry. How does it feel to have such a dinosaur-level world view?
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  286.  Joe Kinchicken  - The teacher angle was probably incidental to the launch decision. NASA was facing major DoD criticisms about the White House decision to shift ALL orbital launches to the shuttle fleet [and cancel the expendables]. DoD argued the shuttle wasn't fully operational and was subject to launch delays a military program couldn't tolerate. NASA denied it, and passed the word to operators to prove the shuttle's fully operational status, no matter what. Christa and Greg were just collateral damage.
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  287. He did, and he motivated follow-on candidates to gain the stars.
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  288. NASA didn't pick him in the Sep 1963 astronaut selection, he admits his class standing was middling, but claims actual pilot skill should have not been a factor because the capsules were remote-controlled anyway
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  289.  @richardbello5732 -- Whenever its hit by thruster pulses. Those exact times are recorded on telemetry. For STS-48, as an example, the pulse coincides precisely with the time some of the dots shift direction. Coincidence? I was in Mission Control for that flight, front room in the ‘Trench’ as a guidance and navigation specialist, I knew the crew. I was familiar with the visual effects -- ice chips from water dumps, thruster pulses, zigzags. Weird-looking, unearthly for sure. Aliens, not necessarily, unless they were deliberately camouflaging their spacecraft as ice flakes. UFO enthusiasts like Martyn Stubbs and Don Ratsch collected hundreds of hours of random motions off of the public NASA video feed, a few weird-looking coincidences convinced them they were making a world-shattering discovery. Here's the technical context data that verifies that non-UFO interpretation -- a few of the dots changed direction, just at sunrise, during and only during the autopilot-triggered thruster pulse, in directions away from the pulse flow. Open and shut. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  290.  @richardbello5732  == "You actually believe that ?" == Yeah, my bias is that I actually know about real spaceflight, I don't dream stuff up or rely on internet hucksters who clearly leave out explanatory info to sell their stories [or charge their commercial advertisers high rates for access to an audience guaranteed willing to believe anything they're told]. It’s not intelligence level that I’ve realized is the major barrier to public authentic assessment of these outer space scenes – it’s lack of effective awareness of really how unearthly, alien, and counter-intuitive counter-instinctual the new space environment really looks. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with the amazing UFO stories associated on the internet with space flight. Please, for the special insights it can give you to break free of earthbound perceptual patterns, see it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  291. Can you share a sketch of the details you saw in the shape
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  292.  @loganm2766  -- "That debunks falcon 9" == Huh? Since Manson didn't kill Kennedy, he couldn't have killed anyone else? Satellite reentries have been sparking UFO flaps around the world since the dawn of the Space Age, how many examples do you need?
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  293. No =AIR=....?
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  294. Bingo!
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  295.  @ronnybe7994  "! The satelite has to fly infront of the billions of stars " -- Do the math and tell us how long such an occultation would last, and then what kind of instrument would notice it. Do the math. Assume it's 25 ft in size and moving at 25,000 fps.
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  296. If you asked the folks in Mission Control, they'd tell you they switch from satellite to satellite over each orbit and there's nobody tasked with 'watching out' for aliens and hitting the 'off' button -- always too late, of course. Here's why the idea is preposterous from the get-go: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25147760/
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  297. There are excellent reasons why ANY strange stuff seen outside needs immediate full-team attention. my 1993 paper… http://www.jamesoberg.com/9307xx-sc-generated-debris.PDF
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  298. "Wouldn't want to 'freak out' the masses now." == Pretty clumsy coverup, you have to admit, always JUST MISSING the 'kill' button every time? One of these decades they may get it right, you think?
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  299. "You only believe what the media tells you to, because it's easier than asking questions and challenging information that's given to you. " == I believe what I see from the front row in Mission Control in Houston for 20+ years. Where do you get the stuff YOU believe, from internet strangers who have fun and profit duping credulous nitwits who seek shortcuts to inflating their pissant self-esteem with hoaxes?
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  300. The English of which is, you have no verifiable evidence for the 'NASA stories' but want to keep bluffing the kiddies. Thanks for making it clear.
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  301. For a debate with Greer at Purdue in 1999, here's my presentation charts with annotations, let me know what's not clear. In my 20+ years in Mission Control I watched a LOT of weird-looking [but ‘space normal’] scenes on the big screens. I was on console for that STS-48 mission, just a different shift. Later I debated it with a UFO nut on Larry King's show. I’d appreciate any advice on presentation content and style, to improve its readability. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  302. JL, stupid is as stupid does. Don't insult somebody else's intelligence in a sentence with two misspellings.
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  303. JL -- So what do YOU think 'space junk' SHOULD look like, basing your reliable expertise on which video games, anonymous internet strangers, and Hollywood SFX?
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  304. So what do YOU think 'ordinary space junk' SHOULD look like?
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  305.  @snappback18  == You'll really trip out when you finally realize how you've been scammed by the UFO hucksters on the internet. Then you can apologize to the NASA team that's been telling the truth all along.
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  306. The 'insides' contained the secrets.
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  307. This secret dead woman cosmonaut story is incredibly dumb. 'She' was the sister of the Italian kids who were faking it. Why are you so pitifully gullible?
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  308.  @p1ayboy106  -- ""spaceX said it’s not from their rocket"" == Where exactly did a SpaceX official say that? I'd like to learn that. A second tank has also been found, they both look exactly like the COPV tanks installed on the second stage and they both were recovered right long the predicted final ground track of the object. Let's learn the truth about this together, thanks for offering help, it is always appreciated.
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  309. My current sleuthing passion involves investigations of world-wide 'rocket spotting' experiences. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement I've been collecting public views of worldwide rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions by imprudently relying on time-tested but obsolete earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  310. Good advice. And it seems even Captain Dwight may not actually have lived through the ordeal as portrayed in the NY Times and its 'Project 1619' editorial spin. For example, the alleged Yeager comment was third-hand hearsay [no primary or secondary witnesses were ever found] that had no impact on Dwight graduating on schedule from the USAF research pilot [NOT 'astronaut'] school. His class standing wasn't tops because as he admits, his nationwide three-day-weekend lecture tours for the White House detracted from his studying and his flying practice. And the NASA selection board may have noticed he was about 3" too short to fly the Apollo lunar module anyway. But for inspiring a cadre of follow-on black pilots who DID meet the stringent requirements, he certainly deserves honorable acclaim.
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  311. Don't look for historical fact in a fictional movie, please.
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  312. Spot on -- it was the kids' sister.
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  313. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf You need to change your current mind with a functional one.
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  314. Lots of folks suspected that, at the time, but it turned out to be misinterpretations, rumors, and some outright hoaxes by the Italian kids. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  315. David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  316.  @nigeldepledge3790  -- We can postulate it came from their sister's microphone in the next room.
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  317. Not this time. Live with it.
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  318. NicolaG -- Feeding your demented delusions with the suffering and death of a fellow man makes you a loathsome excuse for a human being, shame on you. BTW, the lemon was hung on the flight simulator, not the capsule, you mindless misguided moron.
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  319. AF Weapons Lab and DoD Computer Institute faculty, then loaned to NASA for Mission Control. Guided orbital rendezvous missions. That's me on the left, the JSC MCC MOCR 'Trench', 'Rendezvous Guidance and Procedures Officer' [RGPO] guiding the shuttle for the LDEF satellite retrieve mission, STS-32, January 1990: http://www.jamesoberg.com/image/jim-trench-ldef-retrieve.jpg
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  320.  @ethics3  -- "why should anyone trust you ? " == Fair question. Look me up on wikipedia. I've established a half century record of accurate assessments of spaceflight history. In recent years I've found the Internet, while overflowing with nonsense, also a valuable tool for contacting helpful information sources if properly assessed.
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  321. === Nitwits Adore Space Aliens.
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  322. Here’s the amusing story about what they really spotted out the window on the way out to the moon: http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  323. [facepalm]
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  324. @C. L. -- "similar events were seen in other places on Earth where there weren't any rockets lol" -- Idiot. Once something goes into orbit it goes all around Earth and can come down anywhere. , Go find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  325. Anton, the colors are often also the result of particular chemicals in the fuel. Here's a good example of 'turquoise' colors in a solid-fuel missile plume. http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
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  326.  @smartingamerica  == These new boosters really =DO= look weird, no question.
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  327.  @smartingamerica  == more examples... Russian 'spiral ufos' http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/171226_kyss.pdf and http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/tomsk_spiral_ufo_2006.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  328.  @blackaf1s37 -- Where did I get this wrong? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  329. moon race in hindsight,,, http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  330. UFO hoaxers on the internet are the bad guys, they've rotted your brain and tricked you into liking it.
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  331. How back-to-basics do you need to start?
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  332.  @danielwison7106  -- . Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  333.  @danielwison7106  == I'm not following your train of thought. How about discussing THIS video of THIS space launch?
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  334.  @danielwison7106  -- Maybe you can find some 14-year-old Boy Scout with the 'Astronomy' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  335.  @danielwison7106  == Please catch up.
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  336.  @danielwison7106  == Wasn't that clear, in the link I posted?
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  337. How does a space vehicle 'break free' of Earth's gravitational pull, in your understanding of it?
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  338.  @danielwison7106  == "... enjoy the silence ..." == [sigh] If only.
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  339. Can I buy your car cheap?
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  340.  @the4thindustrialrevolution225  == More than 3 years, much longer! Why am I hanging around here? Fair question, even though as a retired ‘rocket scientist’ I do have other hobbies, too, and a delightful family and circle of friends around me and online. My main interest is in identifying the fundamental public misconceptions about space flight [my lifetime career and avocation] that leaves so many young people vulnerable to such bizarre and poisonous fake theories, and I’m not even talking about ‘flat Earth’ and ‘Apollo fake’ nuts, they’re just clinically insane. It’s the unannounced ‘secret discoveries’ fakery [aliens, casualties, discoveries, etc], designed to sucker in folks who know little about real space history, who had no effective education in even the most superficial aspects of the Space Age [say, a BSA merit badge in ‘Space Exploration’, or ever spent an attentive day at a real aerospace museum], and what they do ‘know’ is usually wrong anyway. The nature of such misconceptions, and the most effective ways to clear them up, is what I’m trying to uncover, meme by meme. Not to mention methods to get through the simple psychological barrier of persuading somebody that they were duped by a huckster, an ego-bruising exercise that most professional [and cynical] fraudsters know can keep their victims trapped in their own ego-boosting delusional states far longer than disinterested outside observers. In that search for higher communicative effectiveness I also hope intelligent but different-opinion folks will look at my on-line reports and advise where they find flaws, or inadequacies, or missed opportunities for better arguments – or sometimes tell me exactly which arguments actually changed their own minds. And through commenting hereabouts [sometimes helpful, sometimes confrontational, sometimes serious, sometimes comical, often provocative] I’ve actually been getting all these benefits and putting them into good use in my writings and public appearances. Most valuable of all, I get advice and suggested links and personal experiences that profoundly widen my own personal experience base and permit me to focus in on a small but definitely non-zero number of RELLY anomalous-looking spaceflight events. I’m grateful for ALL the responses, supportive OR critical, and I hope that due to them, my views and my publications reflect higher and higher effectiveness to finding OUT, and telling ABOUT, this awesome new sphere of human experience, outer space.
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  341. But YOU are too smart for them, I bet!!
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  342.  @hxhdfjifzirstc894  -- [grin] But seriously, why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  343. But seriously, why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  344. Muslims have gone into space on other countries' spaceships, were they lying?
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  345.  @spaceisfake6137  -- It's OK with me for you to help make an entire civilization look foolish, be my guest.
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  346.  @jasonpeters9865  -- I seek evidence. You don't have any.
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  347.  @jasonpeters9865  -- Actually, I =DO= come cross new evidence and new arguments on these comment threads, making it worth the effort. I helps me characterize the arguments and the reasoning of folks who =DO= think there are 'UFO secrets' in the Apollo missions. And I make new friends -- and =NOT= just those folks who agree with me. . [grin] www.jamesoberg.com
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  348. Amen! Thank you.
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  349.  @unsane7188  -- It was a strange time trying to figure it all out. Komarov did plunge to his death, in 1967. We knew we couldn't trust ANY official voice, and most of the private voices were crackpot. In hindsight we didn't do too badly. These days it's the same problem, just different cast of characters. And a new generation of private space sleuths. I just wanted to make sure this head-swelling history-related tribute to my own role in the 'space sleuthing' had come to your attention. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  350.  @hannahfaye2317  == During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  351.  @comico9343  -- How do you know it isn't true?
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  352.  @isaiahtaylor7928  == So you don't want to talk about this specific claim any more? Why not just concede =THIS= claim was bogus from the start?
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  353.  @isaiahtaylor7928  == ",..so you mean to tell me..." == You have a problem comprehending written English?
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  354. Grownups don't confuse Hollywood with reality. Sorry about you guys.
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  355. Why not use buses at one tenth the price, since nobody else is using the surface roads?
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  356. Lifetime memories for them. I took my grandkids to see the Parker Delta-Heavy launch last year, and compared it to my own college road trip to watch Apollo-8. It never gets boring.
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  357. Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  358. Dumb.
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  359. Hollywood excels at science fiction and fantasy, why not?
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  360.  @Janellabelle  -- Re Phoenix lights. Part-1 was clearly the flare drop, Part-2 is the interesting phase. If they were a squadron of Canadian jets coming south for training, preparing to land with their lights on, how could they be misinterpreted by many [not all] ground observers as a single large object with lights mounted on it, blocking out the background stars? That defies common sense. But a different type of spaceflight activity MIGHT be able to cast some surprising light on this perceptual puzzle.
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  361.  YouTube Türkiye Müdür  == I promote technological reality here, naturally it's unwelcome. "Rocket science" is a real field of study, not make-believe.
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  362. You do realize the weird-looking video was put together from unrelated clips up to FOUR DAYS apart -- don't you?
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  363.  @Wikchsawa  == "Did you even know that there was a blackout when they were transmitting to earth during Apollo 11?" == No, I never knew that. On what delusional basis do =YOU= think you 'know' it?
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  364. "it had audio of Neil Armstrong describing several alien spacecraft on the moon." == A 'crockumentary' that nobody seems to be able to find. Totally imaginary? Seems like it.
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  365. Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  366.  @benji9339  == How many other examples of satellite reentry fireball swarms do you need to see, to realize that's what it was?
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  367. Here's why -- including the videos.
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  368. FYI other amazine launch sightings/..... http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Soyuz_launch_4.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/KYSS-12.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf
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  369. Why are you SO easy to dupe, the UFO hucksters just LOVE an audience like you?. All the pre-Vanguard orbital searches found NOTHING. The later near-polar-orbit object was tracked to debris off a known USAF spy satellite.
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  370. "there was still proof to be an none natural object in a polar orbit " -- Can you show me this proof? All I could find were claims in UFO books.
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  371. So let's both try harder to do better.
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  372. It didn't help that I triggered from inadequate reading/listening. My bad.
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  373. 1. There is no way — and no reason — for the Pentagon to put a secret remote-sensing device on Mercury-9 to seek Soviet missile bases. Miklos says it was trolled on a line like his underwater magnetometer — that doesn’t even WORK in the vacuum of space. 2. Cooper had scant time for sight-seeing and only had one available daylight pass over Turks & Caicos, when he was fully occupied with other experiments. 3. Cooper only took a few dozen photographs [the “five thousand” quotation is bogus, faked from separate comments on unrelated subjects]. 4. None were over the Caribbean. And none showed anything smaller than cities. 5. There was no way Cooper could glance out the window, see something anomalous, and write down the latitude/longitude for later reference [Miklos says he used GPS, which hadn’t been invented for decades yet]. 6. There was no way Cooper could keep a secret notebook in flight and not show it to NASA.
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  374. In perspective, the stories that Gordon Cooper told Darrell Miklos about his space treasure map (see “The magic MacGuffin of Mercury 9”, The Space Review, April 24, 2017) are fully consistent with other fantastic stories he came up with in his later, lonely years to entertain people. Moreover, he apparently believed them himself and spent a lot of time researching them. But they were imaginary, not real. Sad story, deserving sympathy – but not credibility. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  375. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  376. The 'space treasure map' is a hoax by some cable 'science' channel to sucker more viewers who are gullible victims. Oh, BTW, the space flights were and are real.
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  377. Thanks for the detailed explanation of your interpretation. How does it fit with the fact that the 'dot swarm' didn't show up until FOUR DAYS after the tether broke free? You did know that, didn't you ?
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  378. Who'd want to have =YOU= ?? Nincompoop.
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  379. Heinlein did tell that story, there were pre-flight rumors, and then a trainee cosmonaut was killed in a capsule fire on the ground that was kept secret for decades. But no space accidents in 1961, not yet.
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  380. Stubbs faked the sequence and duped a generation of eager, curious and open-minded people like yourself. The 'swarm' sequence was taken FOUR DAYS after the tether break, long after the shuttle had retracted the deployer boom, turned to other experiments and had resumed normal waste water dumps which show up on the videos taken later. Stubbs recorded those videos segments, too. He just chose to leave them out of the sequence that he dubbed from putting together two unrelated sequences, and then mailed to various media outlets describing it as 'uncut'.. The proof of this is in the NASA daily mission summaries [links below] , where the tether deploy was on one day, and the swarm sequence was four days later. During that time, the shuttle had rapidly sped ahead of the tether that had been flunk into a slightly higher, slower orbit, until after almost a hundred hours it 'lapped' the tether and approached from behind. Over a period of several hours, every sunrise the crew was able to see the tether as they approached and passed under it at a relative speed of 250 mph. They took handheld sharp 70-mm photographs through the shuttle overhead window, showing the thin tether and also blurry out-of-focus dots which the crew described as nearby small stuff, which they could competently determine because like baseball outfielders they had two eyes to give them depth perception [unlike the TV image]. The UFO promoters, from Stubbs to the present day, have concealed the existence of those photos -- MUCH sharper than the TV scenes -- from their target audience. Here are the daily summaries which prove the four days between break and swarm. Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM
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  381.  @leslieah7060  -- I'm hoping that SOMEBODY will try to answer it. Will you?
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  382. What's wrong with the rocket reentry explanation?
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  383. Crack the dumb?
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  384. Simpleton's 'explanation', for sure.
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  385. The brothers hoaxed it for fun, fame, fortune, and hot dates with Italian starlets. Nowadays cynical internet posters revive the hoax for similar reasons.
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  386.  @franci.f.  -- His presence in the test pilot school in 1963 inspired a wave of follow-on fully-qualified black pilots such as Robert Lawrence, picked for USAF astronaut status in 1967, and others who became shuttle astronauts, some died alongside their white colleagues on fatal missions [their names deserve special honor, too], and one became NASA Administrator who always honored Dwight for being his initial inspiration. We got where we are today because of pioneers such as Dwight, who deserve all the honor they earned. What I suggest we DON'T need are media voices deliberately using manufactured grievances to inflame manufactured resentments to manipulate contemporary Americans into particular political choices.
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  387.  @franci.f.  -- You are a thoughtful and compassionate person whose assessments would be very helpful to everyone, don't give up hope even though we see all sides throwing gasoline on any sparks they can conjure up. Be well.
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  388.  @franci.f.  -- Yeah, I'm the guy [www.jamesoberg.com] and whatever investigations I've succeeded at often relied on the assistance of helpful strangers, too.
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  389.  @franci.f.  -- I've put a lot of stories at www.jamesoberg.com, please enjoy them.
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  390. The idea has been around for a long time, the value of it is only now becoming clear: 1970 Gateway proposal http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176776/pg1 2007 Huntress ‘gateway’ http://www.jamesoberg.com/AD_ASTRA_Jan2007_Stepping_Stones.pdf
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  391. Still totally fictional. This particular scenario was based on a deliberate publicity-seeking hoax by some Italian kids: http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  392.  @HS-ie8tj  "He was racially abused and called Kennedy boy non stop. They tried to destroy his mind. They couldn't. Once Kennedy was dead, they took him out. Just as they had dreamt of doing. Animals." == Please don't let myths poison your mind, there are plenty of authentic grievances that never should be forgotten. But this isn't one of them. Kennedy' assassination had nothing to do with his career, in September 1963 NASA picked the top 2 pilots in the class [Dwight was 8th out of 16], JFK was shot in November, and the class ended as scheduled a few weeks later with all the graduates including Dwight assigned to flight testing duties. His own book admits his class standing was not affected by harassment but by the White House demand he take three-day weekends flying around the country giving speeches while the other students stayed on base studying and practice-flying.
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  393.  @shrineheart87  -- It's dismaying how so much inflammatory fabrications have been presented as the true history of this situation.
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  394. "Show us another one doing the twilight affect." == It's called the 'twilight Effect', that's why you couldn't find it on wikipedia. Now go look it up.
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  395. Or more probably, you're just a careless victim of an old, old hoax?
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  396. You're joking, right? Right? Please.........
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  397. Just between your ears, pure vacuum.
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  398. Two kinds of countries in the world: those who use the metric system, and those whose men have walked on the moon.
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  399.  @2009heyhow  == Thanks for taking the time to clearly explain your views, and I don't see a whole lot of difference between us -- I have found some very interesting phenomena behind a few UFO reports, well worth filtering them out. As long as we apply a constructive methodology to data collection and analysis, we'll still be on the same side of the issue. I suspect I'm a little more dubious of pilot reports, and the proposed reasons to give them HIGHER credence, as explained below, but again, that's a matter of rational differences of opinion. Don't be a stranger, I will =ALWAYS= look forward to hearing your angle, as well as your specific criticisms of my reports. . Several years ago, I described the ‘questionable foundation’ of Leslie Kean’s book as the naïve and unverified faith in pilot reports. She has insisted the UFOs show intelligent purpose based on their perception of the nature of their witnesses, since they behave differently when seen by military pilots than when seen by civilian pilots [when the more common-sense explanation is that different pilots report observations in terms of what they expect from their own different experience bases]. The data archives she touts as ‘unexplainable’ pilot sightings [such as the French ‘Weinstein Report’] can easily be shown to contain numerous pilot misinterpretations of unrecognized space and missile activity around the world, so who knows how many other prosaic explanations were never found by the ‘investigators’? See here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190101223008/http:/www.nbcnews.com/id/38852385
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  400. "...in support of Ilyushin's claim". Uh, no, HE always denied those myths, with good reason. They were false.
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  401. My book 'Red Star in Orbit' [1981] was dedicated to his memory, and copies of that book are on display at Russian space museums and at the Korolev Home-Museum in Ostankino. www.jamesoberg.com
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  402. Not orbital debris, it comes in very shallow. And BTW you misspelled 'common sense'.
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  403.  @BigTime_  -- Spot on, friend. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement [I was a real 'rocket scientist'] I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  404. IN YOUR DREAMS.
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  405.  @jonjokovich476  -- Always open to verifiable evidence. Name-calling tells me you know you don't have any.
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  406.  @ant3334  "this guy will not and never will believe what you and they want us to believe.." == Does that mean you believe the Earth is flat and the moon missions were faked? How do you verify your views of reality?
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  407. the italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  408. Regurgitating long-debunked pseudo-UFOs, hiding the full sets of photos, and misinforming your target audience of credulous nitwits because you know you can get away with it -- is that the way you want to be known in life? Just one example -- you were wrong about the STS-75 video showing objects appearing as the tether snapped and drifted away [Martyn Stubbs edited those scenes together and then LIED by calling it an 'uncut' sequence]. Truth is, the dots only appeared four days later when the tether drifted by again, after the shuttle had resumed waste water dumps that routinely fill the vicinity with flickering ice flakes -- and they took LOTS of much clearer hand-held 70-mm photos showing the tether and objects much sharper [is that why you didn't want your target audience to see those photos?]. The Apollo-16 dish was in flight 16-mm footage released right after the mission, it was published later in the 1970s in a compilation video of funny-looking stuff [CL-862, I think]. Oh, and jellyfish thingie at 1:30 is a payload bay insolation blanket clip tumbling away, part of half a dozen shots the crew took as routine response to nearby stuff [they know it's nearby because their two eyes give them depth perception] which involves varying exposure settings to bracket a wide range of brightnesses/motion. The others show the clip sharply, this worst image is the one the UFO hucksters release WITHOUT the others. Shameful. Well, maybe I'm being too harsh -- you're just a clueless pretender yourself, maybe. [facepalm]
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  409. Not to COMPLETELY poop in your punch bowl, there are some genuinely mysterious space sightings, here's one of my favorites. http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  410. Checked some of your other vids, not really that bad. We could wind up friends, even with the ambush scolding I dropped on you. Watch the skies. Help me out looking for missing answers to this oldie goldie.... http://www.jamesoberg.com/china-em-ufo-1982-draft-2.pdf
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  411. Where did you get the idea I didn't know any astronauts? Let's discuss evidence, everybody has something to teach me. Let's merge what we each know and both benefit from it. We share the essential fascination with the discovery function of space exploration, it's a good start.
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  412. The radio hoaxers' sister.
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  413. Indeed it does -- but the test was over the White Sea north of Russia, only SEEN from Norway. http://www.astronautix.com/data/norwayspiral.pdf
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  414.  @simon-zh3qb  No idea, it's ISS at sunrise, but without info on which camera I can't suggest any reflection or window glint. Usually you can identify reflections by observing the angular rate, which for the sun is 4 degrees/minute. It doesn't look like any visiting vehicle I'm familiar with. I'd need date/time of event and camera ID to even try to start searching, but UFO sites almost always withhold that info, maybe to prevent anyone from finding an explanation.
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  415.  @itsme7819 == OK. My investment is as a USAF/NASA veteran, and a spaceflight historian [see www.jamesoberg.com]. The reconstruction of the events as serious aerospace historians see it, is Captain Dwight being used as a symbol by the Kennedy Administration, to the point that he reasonably believed that White House backing would get him a NASA astronaut selection, whatever his technical skills might have measured at. Dwight acknowledged that the long weekends of national speaking tours arranged by the White House did impact his class standing, but he always believed [and still does] that top-level piloting skills weren't really a fair criterion for NASA selection because [says Dwight] all the space capsules were continuously remote-controlled from Houston anyway and piloting skill shouldn't have been a factor. .
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  416.  @bellydancer3146  == "That racist"? So where is there ANY first or second had witnesses to the alleged nasty comment from Yeager? There's one half-century old THIRD-hand account from a guy with a justifiable grudge, plus Yeager's denial [and endorsement of his color-blindness from black pilots who actually flew with him] plus the record of no actual personal actions of that suggested type ever happening.
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  417.  @ARCHR221  -- First, you're dodging the key question -- WHERE are the first or second hand witnesses that the reported comment was accurately described? My interest is as a retired 'rocket scientist' and highly-regarded spaceflight historian who doesn't shrink from heretical or unpopular interpretations, and as a veteran of USAF service from the early 1960s. I also care about the unheralded experiences of men who served with Yeager, especially pilots like this guy: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  418. Public-school educated, right? I guessed it!
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  419. Why can't it just be the Falcon9 second stage reentering?
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  420. A hoax by the brothers for fame, fortune, and hot dates from Italian starlets. Suspected from the beginning, confirmed decades ago, resurrected in the youtube age by cynical exploiters of gullible nincompoops. Want the evidence that Joe Scott is hiding from you?
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  421.  @joeljacobfelix4871  -- Nostalgia is the last refuge of losers. You can count the number of successful Russian lunar and planetary probes in the past three decades on the fingers of no hands. Zero.
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  422.  @wsbill14224  == Interesting claim, how can somebody verify it?
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  423. Is there ANYBODY out there who hasn't yet caught on that the space treasure map story was totally bogus? It never happened, there was no such sensor, there was no such observation program.
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  424. All the truck drivers were locals.
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  425. Spot on.
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  426. David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  427. Agreed!
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  428. Could be, but how about some checkable evidence? Amaze us.
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  429.  @kyleamerica5522  == Checkable evidence?
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  430.  @kyleamerica5522  -- Based on what experience, beyond playing Kerbal Space Program in your Mom's basement?
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  431.  @kyleamerica5522  == A propellant tank from the rocket has just been recovered. Doesn't that settle it?
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  432.  @kyleamerica5522  == "says who? Bloom “berg”" == I have no clue what you are trying to say with this response.
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  433.  @kyleamerica5522  == News services. Showed a photo of a standard COPV tank found on previous random reentries.
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  434. ... and one tenth the size of the Chinese rocket.
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  435. And when Widget is finished with you, I'll tag-team in, and explain why all the fables about UFO encounters on the moon are also fairy tales aimed at credulous nincompoops.
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  436.  @widget3672  -- Here's my UFO debunking, for your own arsenal of truth-arrows.... During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  437. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic [all the Apollo 'UFO stories' are bogus media inventions aimed at gullible nincompoops] -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  438. I've been to the NorKor satellite launch site and their Mission Control Center: http://www.jamesoberg.com/north_korean_space_inspection.html we need to verify harmlessness of any norkor satellite or shoot it down during launch -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3164/1
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  439. these reentries are warned in advance but exactly where along the final track is impossible to predict because the descent path is so shallow. The 'Aerospace Corporation' in the US puts out alert messages.
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  440.  @neilhamill318  -- Sorry I wasn't clear. This was NOT an 'incoming rocket' sent from somewhere aimed at somewhere. . It had been launched into orbit some time earlier and was sinking back towards the atmosphere for a random reentry over somewhere on Earth.
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  441. And it was so much in keeping with their established stunt space strategy that it was predicted a year before it happened. Stunts worked a charm on their gullible target audience.
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  442. Lighten up, most Americans think the landing is a fine success and only wish the US lunar program were expanded in response. The nut cases that criticize the mission also claim the Apollo missions were faked.
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  443.  @carloswilson44  -- Huh? My issue was, you clearly misunderstood my own writing. Where did I ever suggest there were no alien civilizations in the galaxy? You just imagined that.
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  444.  @carloswilson44  -- Sorry to give that impression in the comment. I have consistently written that numerous ET civilizations could exist and some even visiting us at a degree of detectability THEY choose. The question is , is what we observe explainable ONLY by a still-unrecognized stimuli? I believe that some reports are indeed derived from activities of genuine interest, both scientific and national security related.
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  445.  @carloswilson44  Some thoughts: There are lot of non-extraterrestrial reasons why the Defense Department needs to be interested in 'UFO reports'. 1. First, identify and ameliorate instrumental 'funnies' in new sensory technology to make sure we don't accidentally misinterpret [or overlook] future readings. 2. Second, determine how detection 'funnies' might be deliberately induced by hackers and real enemies, and what we can do to frustrate such efforts. 3. Third, deliberately induce anomalous targets into the range of our own new detection/tracking technology to determine realistic reliability level of existing situational awareness systems. 4. Fourth, test enemy detection systems with deliberate pokes to identify exploitatable weakneses. 5. Fifth, assess which reports from in or near potentially enemy nations are indicators of their classified military testing and operations that we need insight into. 6. Sixth, at home and elsewhere in the world, determine which detections accidentally reveal highly classified operations of our own which might be revealed to enemy nations who are also looking for such indications, so as to improve masking, misdirection, and stealthiness. 7. Seventh, in so far as observations of UFO reports from adversary nations ARE indicators of leaked observable clues to military capabilities, do nothing to provoke such regimes from curtailing their own news media coverage of the 'pseudo-UFOs' . 8. Eighth, in so far as our own domestic UFO reports may be authentic indicators of classified military activities, purposefully create camouflage and masking reports to distract, confuse, or lull foreign observers and analysts.
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  446. Count me in to contribute to a GoFundMe account.
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  447. All they do is expect you to show a minimal amount of mathematical ability, but public education cheated you of that ability. Be angry at the teachers' unions, NOT the scientists.
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  448. Dwight's presence in the test pilot school was an inspiration for many black pilots to follow his lead, and one of them, Charles Bolden, became NASA Director after serving as an astronaut. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction. As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  449. Those were indeed the stories at that time. Turns out they were a mixture of distorted rumors of cosmonaut trainee Valentin Bondarenko's death hyped by media passions to get a story out ahead of rivals. Researched, debunked, and documented here: 975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  450. It's the UFO websites that lie to you for fun, profit, and malice. Here's normal behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other cabin gas releases, affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the shuttle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine water dump. [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA
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  451.  @ant3334  -- Sorry, I'm not following you. Are you claiming that ice flakes ejected from shuttles CAN'T naturally change direction? Doesn't the video I linked show exactly that happening?
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  452.  @ant3334  "yes its probably one" == Why can't these dots be what the crew and Mission Control thought, ice flakes from a routine waste water dump?
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  453.  @arnoldskit  -- You do realize that these scenes are in daylight, the sun is shining and illuminating all the stuff in sight?
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  454.  @Norwegianization  == When dealing with 'bunk', it's everybody's responsibility to try to 'debunk', so the really interesting residue of reports becomes more clearly identified. This particular event has been very inaccurately reported on the internet, IMHO.
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  455. "you can clearly see the ufo making a quick turn what a 100% lie if u say its space junk" -- Nobody's lying but a lot of UFO buffs are seriously confused and misinformed. The direction change of the particles occurs during and only during an autopilot-triggered firing of a steerjng thruster. Want to see the telemetry read-outs that confirms that?
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  456.  @TonyG718  == We have much in common. I don't doubt there are events of genuine interest, even importance, being swept up in the 'UFO literature', sometimes not entirely by accident. Isolating them and focusing remains a challenge.
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  457.  @TonyG718 == In your pondering the motion of the dots and the tether, would you have reasoned differently if you knew the swarm scene was four days after the tether broke away? And the shuttle crew took much clearer 70-mm handheld photos of the tether and dots, photos that the UFO hucksters have steadfastly concealed from their audiences?
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  458.  @TonyG718  Here' my basic fact sheet: The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  459.  @TonyG718  = Its' ice. Want to actually try to understand why the real experts believe that, or is the UFO version too much fun to believe?
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  460.  @TonyG718  -- I'm not a 100% spoil-sport, there's some weird observations still needing explanations. Here's one of my favorites: http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  461.  @TonyG718  -- My current sleuthing passion involves investigations of world-wide 'rocket spotting' experiences. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement I've been collecting public views of worldwide rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions by imprudently relying on time-tested but obsolete earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  462.  @TonyG718  -- The change-course clip I STS-48. All these notorious 'shuttle UFO' clips have some thin in common that suggests an explanation. Visual perception has evolved under terrestrial conditions over hundreds of millions of years, so when confronted with genuinely ‘unearthly’ scenes like these, it’s no wonder it can mislead the perceiver into a false interpretation of what he is being shown. In these videos, our generation is seeing scenes never before perceived in all of human history. Their correct interpretation was never before a driving factor in survival. Little wonder our brains can be send on visual wild goose chases over some of them. This scene also underscores the importance of my obsession with determining the illumination conditions under which these scenes occurred. This is a context that has been universally dismissed as distracting, as ‘clutter’, by others on this thread and elsewhere. But it turns out to be critical to using our intellectual tools – rather than our in-these-cases misleading instinctive processes -- to understand what we are actually seeing. It turns out that the most famous ‘shuttle UFO videos’ – STS-48, 75, 80, now 114 and others – have occurred during relatively rare illumination conditions. This is when the Orbiter is emerging from Earth’s shadow but has the camera in use (an external camera in the payload bay) pointed back toward the receding horizon on the dark side of the Earth. The situation obtains for only a minute or two every 90-minute revolution of the planet. This alignment is not random, since there’s a scientific purpose in observing the darkside horizon – monitoring thunderstorm activities for sprites and other recently-discovered natural electrical phenomena. Google ‘MLE’ for ‘mesoscale lightning experiment’ for more background. When operationally convenient, the Mission Control Center points a camera in that direction and downlinks the video. Now here’s the unintended consequence. The interplay of light, shadow, and matter under this circumstance, particularly at the end of the pass when the sun is rising, creates exactly the opportunity for seeing mysterious dancing dots on the screen. The clustering of ‘UFO videos’ in this short flight interval is not an accident, it is a consequence, of the unique illumination condition. Nobody in the UFO world seems to realize this – or seems to want to know, when told. But it is the central argument for the prosaic (albeit ‘unearthly’) origin of these kinds of scenes. Don’t expect the UFO promoters on TV, or the enthusiasts on their ego trips of zero-gravity speculation, to tell you this. Even in space, when the rug is pulled out from under you, you’ll fall. There is one more truly wonderful and awesome feature of this illumination situation, and here’s where the ‘appearing dots’ come into play. In many scenes, lights ‘suddenly appear’ against the Earth background, or near the horizon, near the center of the field of view where the camera was pointed (for entirely different but scientifically valid reasons, as explained above). Now that you realize that the camera view is ‘down sun’, with the sun at your back and sunlight streaming past you on all sides to illuminate any nearby Orbiter-generated particles, it can suddenly hit you that YOU, the observer (well, you and the entire Orbiter) make an invisible impact on the scene. You are casting a shadow. You are bathing a narrow zone in front of you in darkness. And you can’t see it, because anything IN that shadow is not illuminated, and hence invisible. But stuff in that shadow zone, being free-floating, moves. And from time to time, it crosses the boundary and, hit by the sun’s rays, it lights up. Now you can see the dot. It suddenly ‘appears’. And whatever the scene background of the place it appears in, it seems to pop out of there – that’s what our half-billion-year-old visual instinct tells us. But you have to use your intellect, not your instinct, in this never-before-sensed visual environment. Here’s a test of that ‘shadow’ hypothesis. Objects that ‘appear’ ought to be drifting AWAY from the center of the field of view, ‘out’ of the shadow zone. They shouldn’t ‘appear’ out near an edge and drift into the center of the field. That predicted behavior makes the theory refutable, and hence testable. Try it.
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  463.  @TonyG718  -- LegAnt, do you concede the 'swarm' sequence is FOUR DAYS after the tether broke, not immediately as the original versions of this video claimed?
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  464. Agreed. Dwight's presence in the test pilot school was an inspiration for many black pilots to follow his lead, and one of them, Charles Bolden, became NASA Director after serving as an astronaut. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction. As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  465. You are correct -- it's not true.
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  466. The folks who think spaceflight is fake and the Earth is flat. Ignore them.
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  467. If they find enough suckers, they'll sell them.
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  468.  -Savage PitBull-  == "The astronauts made a agreement to be silence about this else they would disappear " == And you're just not making this up out of a daydream because, uh, how, exactly? Evidence, please.
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  469.  @andrewchirot9998  -- I'm not disputing that. THIS specific type of apparition does turn out to have an unearthly cause, not aliens IMHO. A satellite reentry fireball swarm, this time. The perception of a structured object with a sharp silhouette and glowing windows is a repeatable, common reaction to a night-time fireball swarm which moves nearly horizontally. Examples: a meteor disintegrating or several aircraft with landing lights. The compelling proof of this possible explanation has been provided by satellite reentries that sometimes serendipitously create the same visual stimulus -- and the same witness misinterpretations -- all around the world, as shown here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf   Spectacular example -- France, Nov 1990, http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/Oberg/901105-French_wave.pdf
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  470.  @mariobrother4406  == I start confused [why do so many clearly intelligent youngsters fall for these media fables?] and can use un-confusing [what are the reasons this happens and what are the informational antidotes to the condition?].. Spaceflight-related stories is my professional field of specialization.
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  471.  @mariobrother4406  --There are genuine puzzles among all the stories, worth trying to recognize. Watch the skies!
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  472.  @mariobrother4406  == " It is one of the few that really came up with undeniable - deniable facts" == Very few of the things that are 'knon' about the incident are actually real. For example, how long after the tether broke did the swarm show up? The video editing, and years of messaging, indicate it was quickly, in response to the break. It was actually three days later, would you believe? Or why don't the UFO websites ever show you the much sharper handheld 70-mm photos the crew took out the window?
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  473. Where exactly did NASA get it wrong?
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  474. The NASA stuff is explained here: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  475. See wikipedia.
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  476.  @melgrant7404  "cheap shot remark" -- That's all that you morons deserve.
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  477. Spot on!
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  478. "rocket spotting" overview draft, for comments http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1216782/pg1
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  479.  @CosmicPen  - [slaps forehead] OK, I need a lesson in sarcasm, plz use emojis next time [grin].
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  480.  @CosmicPen  -- Don't worry, it was a pre-written essay, took about 30 seconds to access it and post it. Seriously, do you find ANY of these internet-for-dummies 'astronaut UFO' fairy tales remotely credible?
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  481.  @CosmicPen  -- Well, let's find something we can argue about, so at least one of us will benefit, and usually both. My other reports are mostly at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html PS -- I do think Oswald shot Kennedy and won't argue about that.
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  482. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  483. Mick Harro replied, then deleted: "jim oberg explain the UFO seen in westhall Victoria , Australia by a Westall primary school with 300+ witnesses and military involvement then?" == Deflecting off topic again? Unable to defend THIS video's claim?
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  484. Excellent question -- it made a brief deorbit burn over the North Sea and the plume and fuel dump was widely observed and imaged there, pre-dawn. It fell into the mid-Pacific exactly where aimed. I'm finishing my report on it and will post it shortly.
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  485.  @thomaslewis7883  -- Thanks for sharing your insights. Here's a short essay on that theme I recently wrote: The past half century has witnessed the greatest expansion in human knowledge of its universal neighborhood in thousands of generations, from the surface of one planet to awareness of the nature of objects throughout the Solar System [and discoveries of hundreds of worlds far beyond], and the first human steps off the planet. These explorations have created discoveries and new understandings of revolutionary significance, and equally revolutionary was how humanity as a whole – through new inventions in communications – could learn of [or often indirectly witness in real time] major milestones in this march, following each new mystery and the subsequent steps made to resolve and answer mysteries that earlier humans could only dream of. Our descendants will see us as the enviable human generation that experienced the transition in one human lifetime from a closed, planet-bound culture into an increasingly multi-planetary open array of societies, as the realization sinks in of our special vantage point in human culture, becoming more and more apparent thanks both to the relentless boldness of the outward urges and to the stark and unflinching transparency of the exploratory results and the ever-improving understanding of what we encountered out there. But these future generations may be baffled [as I am still baffled] by the realization that a significant portion of intelligent humans of this era, observing this mind-stretching mental process, still opted to totally misunderstand it, and instead chose to cling to now-obsolete human superstitions of non-human demonic beings with magical powers, or to fever-dreams of a human conspiracy of secret plotters committed to evil, each hidden from ‘common knowledge’ that only the renegade rejectionists could penetrate and fully understand [all the while, totally MISunderstanding major aspects of space flight technology and astronomy discoveries as they watched, blindly]. Unbelievably, these self-deluded fantasy-seduced sloppy thinkers defiantly CHOSE to miss the point of the entire era, perhaps to assume for themselves an empty pretense of superior knowledge and insights that provided temporary ego gratification. That appalling oversight [of galactic scale] may earn them, from future generations, both ridicule and condemnation, but more compassionately, pity, that such clueless human beings were physically but not mentally present in such an age of discovery, but closed their eyes and minds and souls to it, and unwisely and inexplicably refused to share in the joyful torrent of new knowledge that was freely offered to them, and in so choosing, averted their eyes from the universe and completely missed the epoch’s essence.
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  486. Hoax debunked in the last century, get a clue.
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  487. The reporter's wording was tacky, but even the astronauts called themselves 'the all-American boys'. Where is the blame on NASA in all this?
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  488. Molodets, Viktor. Sovsem soglasen. There were rumors about that in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf Ppt http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonot.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  489. I don't believe you. Real spaceflight historians recognized these stories as hoaxes by some Italian kids for fame, fortune, and hot dates with starlets.
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  490. Public-school educated, right? I guessed it.
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  491.  @osiric868  -- "I’m from a public school and I’m not retarted" == RetarTed?
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  492. Yes, the internet UFO hucksters lie to their target audience of gullible simpletons. What do you suggest be done about that?
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  493. Describing what?
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  494. Spot on -- the brothers' sister.
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  495. Please explain why you think the reentry story is implausible.
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  496.  @smoovoperata3242  == "You should be asking why Space X didn't give anyone any notice anywhere that they were doing their BS rocket testing." == You should make more effort in not looking like an ignorant idiot. The object's decay was widely discussed and its exact final path plotted in advance. Please try to get better informed before posing as a fake expert again.
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  497.  @smoovoperata3242  == Twenty years in Houston Mission Control makes me a real expert on human spaceflight operations. And decades of UFO nuts trying [and failing] to find factual/logical flaws in my debunking reports, verifies this. .You're welcome to take your turn at bat.
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  498.  @smoovoperata3242  == You still dodged the basic question: Please explain why you think the reentry story is implausible.
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  499.  @caav56  -- Good comments, guys.
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  500.  @caav56  --- Spot on. We're still finding new documents and diaries.
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  501. @Canon : -- "This isn't space debris." == Uh, why =NOT=, plz?
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  502. Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  503.  @87gob54  == ...and we can understand that any ETI active locally will be as detectable as they choose, not us. The analysis challenge for us is to isolate the observations that provide compelling evidence of non-human activities. My pessimistic assessment as of now is that the enthusiasts, the clowns, the mentally disturbed, the malicious pranksters, and the cynical con men currently setting the 'standards' of research are hopelessly incompetent in filtering the noise from the all-to-potential 'signal' == and most don't even seem to want to, they thrive in the current ambiguities that their methodologies encourage.
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  504. -- The smart people still ridicule you.
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  505. Or couldn't you just be a careless victim of an old, old hoax?
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  506. You've given it a lot of thought from many angles, well done. Here's my overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  507. Grown-ups.
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  508. The internet has rotted your brain with UFO hoaxes, get help.
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  509. It's 'fake history'. No male pilots with the same experience and test results would have been accepted either. The women and their supporters demanded that NASA lower the qualification standards for the women because... well, just BECAUSE. None of them had any jet time or test pilot experience. By the way, NASA had nothing to do with project not going forward because it was private study. NASA never 'stopped' it or cancelled it, it had never even started. The show is fake history built on the heartbreak of the women who were talked into a doctor's private medical experiments with the lure of becoming astronauts. More details on genuine routes to women’s achievements in space [solid skills versus symbolic stunts]:: “Two commanders meet” http://www.thespacereview.com/article/988/1
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  510. Why are you SO easy to dupe, the UFO hucksters just LOVE an audience like you?. All the pre-Vanguard orbital searches found NOTHING.
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  511.  @LucDevine  == You are extremely well read. We share a lot of overlapping interests, I'd be grateful to get your assessments of some of my own investigations on many of these genuinely fascinating mysteries. Give me a little time to see what you might be interested in first, please.
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  512. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  513.  @madcacher1119  -- Seems to happen with random AI monitors triggered by keywords, or too-frequent spamming, or just artificial nuttiness. Post again or email me at kosmograd@yahoo.com.
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  514.  @ASTERisk44946  -- No relation [although I used to get his mail when I worked at NASA-Houston] . I know his historical contributions to the birth of spaceflight.
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  515.  @damyr  They could well be visiting. I can't think of ANY reason it's impossible. It serves both our purposes to focus in on the most intriguingly inexplicable events and not become distracted by noise and garble. Watch the skies!
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  516.  @Elliott3333  -- Happy to meet you -- here's my basic outline [I didn't look back to see if I had posted it here in the past], we'll get specific as needed: The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen position, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same path. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU. Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  517.  @Elliott3333  -- Good eye re dump appearance. This is not a water dump in progress, the dump was some time earlier, a few leftover ice flakes were detaching and drifting off. There was no attempt to retrieve the tether, it would have been a hazard to the shuttle as it approached and flew around it. The tether was visible at dawn across mid-northern latitudes for a few weeks [I saw it myself twice], many visual sighting reports are on the satobs.net page.
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  518.  @Elliott3333  -- Tether was 20 km long, stretched out near vertically. The ice flakes are only visible when sunlit, and show up best briefly after sunrise -- exactly as in this video. Sunlight does cause sublimation from solid to gas, that slowly erodes the flakes. More details here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
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  519.  @mharro88  "he's paid to shut it all down. It's just damage control." == Sadly I’ve misplaced my charge number and the address to send my accumulating stack of invoices. If you can provide that, there’s a finder’s fee in it for you or the charity of your choice. Or you could help by pointing out factual or logical flaws in my reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html. But if the past is any predictor, you won’t be able to do either, alas.
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  520. The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the fraud about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Normal behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other cabin gas releases, affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the shuttle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine water dump. [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen position, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same path. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU. Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF. This information may be shocking to you. There's proof of it all. The reason it was withheld from you is obvious – to push you into an inaccurate assessment of the video. You and millions of other folks were victims of a deliberate UFO industry fraud. And it was so easy for them.
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  521.  @shawnm5860  -- I'll say it again. I get this reaction a lot from nutters who have no rational response to my debunking reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html, and I'm not offended -- considering the looniness and outright scams many of the tinfoil hatters promote, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T consider me their arch-enemy. Anybody willing to try and point out specific factual and logical flaws in these reports is graciously invited to have their say. Their decades-long silence on this simple challenge is eloquent indeed.
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  522. Amen!!
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  523. Did your brain die? It's scary how quickly so many kids these days can fall for such a clumsy hoax just because they saw it on the INTERNET.
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  524. ==  @MrJamesjustin  == Thanks for getting back, no rush, I'm hunkered down safely here in rural Texas Gulf Coast, for a while.
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  525.  @canyoushutup12 How about this? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  526.  @ViveekChaudhaary  -- He says there were no aliens, I believe him, here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  527. "has anybody even bothered to ask this simple question?" -- Yeah, all the simple-minded simpletons.
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  528. I did too, boy, it was cold. I was 24.
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  529.  @gmaneis  -- It's great to share your recollections. I was 24, had hitched a ride with a classmate to Florida, and moments after the launch I was at the side of the road with my prepared sign, "Hitch Hiker to NYC", and got my first ride within a minute. Maybe you saw my sign. www.jamesoberg.com
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  530. tommy, what do you know about this event that we don't?
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  531.  @Jan_Strzelecki  "Just because believing in the Moon landing hoax makes you feel good doesn't mean it's [the hoax story] real. " == Amen to JS. The 'hoaxeder' loonies seem to me to be whiny losers who hate how the genuine smart people get respect and they don't.
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  532. The Italian kids were lying while counting on gullible nitwits to fall for it.
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  533.  @tylerdurden629  -- Fifty years ago the real 'rocket scientists' figured out the kids were scamming, with their sister's clumsy Russian good enough to fool journalists. Today's internet hoaxers are relying on an entirely new and far more easily scammed target audience like 'John Smith'.. Here's why nobody over the mental age of 12 believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  534. They. Do. Please get a clue.
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  535.  @The1TheyCallFoo313  -- If the comment [actually, a question] is 'weak', it should be easy to answer. I've been asking it a lot these past few months, as you noted correctly. Nobody has been able to answer it. I'd call that a pretty STRONG question, then... wouldn't you?
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  536.  @marioarias9942  -- So you can't find ANY witness to that alleged Yeager quote either? Me neither. Maybe it was just gossip.
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  537. Also possible [more likely] the whole story was a hoax.
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  538. Anything useful here? http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  539. Who you talking about?
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  540. That's a weak brain you're operating there.....
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  541.  @kadoj  -- I'm curious why so many people can so sincerely cling to silly misinterpretations of modern spaceflight activities.
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  542. Carter's story appears connected with a NASA-launched barium-cloud experiment reported in the next day's local papers. http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html
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  543.  @HermanLoud  "whatever I find useful." -- Fair enough. We adopt the beliefs that make us feel smarter and better than other people. 'Black Knight' Is like that, even if it's not true. Suit yourself.
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  544.  @YameDreKudasai  == "Let people believe whatever they want" == I'm old fashioned in thinking that 'belief' should be based on 'evidence', and when the evidence is covered up by anybody, or even falsified as in these stories, somebody should point that out. Are you worried that if you can verify the claims that I've made about genuine facts, you will be ashamed of yourself for being conned, and you don't want to feel that way? For most 'beliefs' I'm happy to let people have their fun [it doesn't bother me at all that Johnston thinks he's the reincarnation of the king of the Annunaki's starship pilot] but when they slander people I personally knew as liars and deceivers, I believe those accusations need to be vigorously examined against ALL the evidence.
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  545. Internet UFO hucksters =- usually bullshitters. Internet UFO buffs -= sometimes gullible nincompoops
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  546. Give me a better date/time and I may be able to identify the rocket.
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  547. All to pimp a hoax program anyway.
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  548. This time it really WAS Venus, guys. Get a grip.
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  549. Space station cameras often capture unearthly views, literally, so the more people who monitor the feeds and log the date/time of particular puzzles, the better. I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent, knowledgeable, rational people who are fascinated by UFO stories and wonder what variety of things causes them, particularly on space missions. But these folks rarely frequent mind-junk websites by guys like Streetcrap, Tird-Face-of-Moon, Insecure-Teen13, and others, which seem to be just fishing for gullible nitwits who apparently use the internet for make-believe 'secrets', make-believe 'wokeness', make-believe sex, because real science, real logic, and real personal relationships are too difficult. In the real world [and OFF of it], live space video feeds are regularly cut off as relay satellites move out of line-of-sight. And the idea that there's a NASA dweeb with a finger on a 'kill switch' who ALWAYS hits it too late is just laughable. The NASA Mission Control team is always 'leaning forward' to detect external visual anomalies as clues to potential problems, even potential threats to the mission and the crew, that the whole team needs to focus on, so as to diagnose and determine the level of actual danger -- putting the lid on such indicators, hiding them, would be irresponsible, it could kill people. The official answer that there are many different things that cause such images is entirely correct, but identifying which cause was behind any one particular anomaly requires basic context information such as date/time/location and crew comments, and the internet's mind-junk industry carefully withholds such information, that would reasonably be needed to verify or explain one specific image. This is particularly important for known promoters of images which past practice has shown can be fabrications or misrepresentations of much older observations. By all means, watch for weird-looking scenes, log the time as accurately as possible, and discuss them on any forum you trust. Be cautious about the real actors out there who actively work to mislead you.
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  550. WOW! I completely believe you. I'm going to have to modify my FAQ: It’s a sad distinction that aside from the crew, I may have been among the first to realize what was happening when, that Saturday morning, at home south of Houston, sitting at my PC to monitor the approaching landing, I got an exultant note from a friend in Waco with the report, "Columbia just passed overhead with a magnificent fireworks display, awesome!". Since I'd watched several earlier shuttle fireball passes over Texas on its way to landing in Florida, I knew that was NOT the way it was supposed to look. I turned on NASA TV to hear the fruitless comm checks, and see Leroy’s face realizing what it meant. My immediate concern was whether the crew, in pressure suits with parachutes, could have been thrown free. My phone began ringing. Within an hour I was live on ABC-TV News national broadcast [by phone] assessing first impressions and the rapidly diminishing chances of finding any of them alive. Soon I had a new contract with NBC and a new career path. Please contact me. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  551. I'm a retired 'rocket scientist' with a fascination with 'space folklore" myths and legends. Any suggestions on my presentations would be appreciated.
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  552. +Danilo Passarini Fine Art wrote "jim o you are unbeliabable..." ==  Can you point to factual/logical flaws in my debunking of these Apollo-11 myths? Aldrin has been a colleague of mine for decades, we co-authored an article on Mars mission orbits for 'Scientific American' if you want proof.
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  553. ​ @guilhermerls2272  -- Don't let your mind by closed by the faking UFO hucksters. Aldrin speaks about ANYTHING he feels like speaking on, and the 'secret aliens' fairy tale is an insult to his integrity, just to boost the artificial self-esteem of the fable's gullible victims. . During his moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  554.  @sulkoma  -- Where do you get the idea he has secret 'beans' to spill? Where is there ANY credible evidence of such secret events?
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  555. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  556. my ‘moon race’ talk for the Apollo-11 50th last year… http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  557. So-o-o-o.... you somehow KNOW he did see UFOs in space and was forced to lie about it? Share with us the source of your insight, please.
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  558. Why do you doubt it was a rocket?
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  559. Common question -- you're just interpreting the image in pre-space terms. See http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Soyuz_launch_4.pdf
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  560. Very nice summary, only minor quibbles -- pronunciation is kuh - rull - YOFF, and Meesh -- een [no 'k', that's a Dostoyevsky novel's character. ] I was the amateur historian who first added up the clues and published that the moon race had been real, in 1974-5.
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  561. GifCo, any questions?
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  562. People with 'sunken treasure fever' do tend to tell any story necessary to secure backers with more cash than good sense. Cooper lost most of his own money on investment schemes, but he also used his prestige to talk other people into investing -- they lost altogether about two million dollars for trusting Cooper's advice. Sad story -- see http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  563.  @effortlessawareness8778  "There may have been a gadget that could've (with some type of advanced on screen display mechanism think of google glasses) detected nuclear sites or areas where there was high concentrations of platonium or active." -- If so, why wasn't it on subsequent space flights, or even on airplanes? And why didn't Russia, France, Australia, and Bangladesh invent it and exploit it too?
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  564.  @effortlessawareness8778  "I do believe that he had experiences with UAP and extra terrestial beings given his pilot credentials." == Can you be more specific on these encounters, and describe how the stories were validated independently?
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  565.  @effortlessawareness8778  "The man may nlt have been business minded vecause he had the epiphany and came to the realization of how unimportant that all is to the big picture" -- I have no intention of judging the man's investment acumen. My criticism was directed at people who lost their own money because they thought Cooper's words didn't need checking because he was an astronaut. The same attitude that is usually expressed about his dubious UFO stories.
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  566.  @effortlessawareness8778  == "He got the boot from Nasa because he came clean about ET species" = OK, show the cause-and-effect, where did he 'come clean' in public BEFORE he 'got the boot'? If it's cause-and-effect, as you assert, the CAUSE must precede the EFFECT. Please cite dated reports to prove it did occur in that sequence, or withdraw your nasty accusation against NASA.
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  567.  @effortlessawareness8778  "he wrote a book about aliens when he wasnt suppose to divulge the secret, and then they obviously fired him" == Neat trick, when he wrote the book in 1996 or so, and he's been retired in 1973. How is that an 'and then' consequence??
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  568.  @effortlessawareness8778  == Are you under the impression he revealed 'UFO secrets' about his time at NASA? Give an example.
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  569. Answer Sibrel like Buzz did!
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  570. Hoax, sorry you fell for it.
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  571. It turns out the UFO Jimmy Carter reported seeing back in 1969 was probably one of these too. http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/jimmy-carters-ufo-sighting-was-it-venus.html
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  572. In your dreams.
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  573. Unreal, in either case.
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  574. In 1973, an astronomy enthusiast/author named Duncan Lunan [then and now a friend of mine] did the INTERPRETING of a series of mysterious radio noise echoes over previous decades as showing a 'star map' of the Bootes constellation that had one star [Epsilon Booti] displaced by its motion over the last 13,000 years. Then he found out he'd misread some old radio logbooks and withdrew the suggestion. Too late, it had metastasized throughout the world of UFOria and walks on to this day, undead, a zombie theory repudiated even by its own father.
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  575. Sorry, more crockumentary hoaxes -- want the proof?
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  576. What about the story he saw aliens on his Mercury-9 space flight? Why should anybody believe THAT?
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  577. What do you believe about that story? Did he really report seeing a UFO on the flight?
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  578. You're one of those guys who think Cooper could take a photo out the spacecraft window and read a car license plate hundreds of miles away, and track down the owner? How is it possible for that to happen? Or for a grown-up to believe it?
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  579.  @r.6731  == "What he saw and experienced will NEVER change" == What he accomplished as a military pilot, and as an astronaut, will be honored for many years to come, and rightly so. But what does that have to do with Miklos's claims of 'secret treasure map', that Cooper himself never seems to have described in his own writing and interviews? Miklos claimed Cooper took thousands of photos on his Mercury-9 mission, the records show he only took a few dozen. Who should we believe? And on what evidence?
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  580.  @r.6731 -- Dream on.
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  581.  @r.6731  Please help me, then. Show me exactly where, with evidence, OK?
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  582.  @r.6731  -- Still waiting for factual evidence.
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  583. Even Cooper and Mitchell, who think the DoD has 'UFO secrets', made it clear they never saw any evidence of that at NASA.
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  584. more fairy tales for the kiddies
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  585. +jim oberg == The new worldwide excitement over formerly-secret 'alien music' during a moon mission  is another in a series of artificial 'news' items manufactured by an internet media industry devoted to generating website visits through sensational headlines that are created by stories based on deliberately incomplete and garbled versions of events connected with exploiting public interest in great achievements of the past.  I can't figure out the exact proportion of cynical misrepresentation and callous incompetence and smug character assassination in the editorial policy, but all seem to be involved. Since experience has shown it is a successful business model for making money off the Internet, we can expect more of it, and worse, in the future.   This particular panic is created by concealing fundamental features of the event, such as the highly significant fact that the 'space music' weird noises [described that way because of the eerie sound track of some science fiction movies of the 1960s] occurred during formation flying by the Apollo 'Command Module' and the 'Lunar Module' landing vehicle, as the astronauts talked by radio from ship to ship. The noises were clearly some sort of interference between the two radios separated by tens of kilometers, and they were heard again on the following mission, Apollo-11, as described by Michael Collins in his book 'Carrying the Fire' a few years later.   Allegations that information about the events was covered up by astronauts or by NASA is a dishonest editorial gimmick to excite readers with "new" insider information that was up until now "forbidden" by powerful officials. This is false. The noises were discussed in real time by the astronauts over radio links that were broadcast live, and in more detail by the crew during debriefings back on Earth -- as they should have been, as a fundamental safety principle of examining all anomalies for indications of threatening malfunctions. This is the same pattern as the crew carefully describing anything seen outside their vehicle, as potential in indicators of vehicle damage or leakage, and there were so many reports of insulation fragments, ice flakes from fuel and water spills, and debris from pyrotechnic jettisons, that engineers humorously named them 'moon pigeons' in a report on how to analyze them, published in 1970 [some media reports even at the time often suggested these were space aliens following the astronauts,  a view that has reached epidemic scale in the modern internet era].
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  586. Or you believe the cynical internet hucksters exploiting the gullibility of their target audience of nincompoops.
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  587. Darrell's Dad knew the Pinta location decades ago. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/6899031/roger_miklos_chased_out_of_turks/
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  588. +grass hopper writes "No sorry man, he's also not the only astronaut to come out about ufos"   ==  Sorry, bro, the 'space UFO stories' are all media myths and misrepresentations, every one of them, and you've been deceived by the UFO hucksters.
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  589. Please do NOT try to learn history from Hollywood.
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  590. Did that answer your question?
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  591.  @hennyvanrossum6059  -- Plz repeat original question and your intended response.
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  592.  @studiodevelopers2467  == "There is a video = Airplane goes through the sun"== What does that mean?
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  593.  @myusername3689  =???
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  594.  @averageamericangirl6819  -- They were, with plenty of authentic horrifying realities of racist hate and violence. The record also shows NASA was on the side of the angels on all levels of confrontation, so these accusations aren't just inaccurate, they're irresponsible. imho.
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  595.  @gnranger -- A tad obsessive, I don't deny it. But I'm a historian and I really think it's a fair question. So far, nobody has answered it.
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  596. Pay careful attention. In space, sky is black. Anything reflective will there fore be black. - http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  597. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  598. Huh? Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  599. Jack, I agree. He got old and sick and should have been left alone instead of exploitation by a parade of con artists. "Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories" -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  600. Nowhere near the level of internet hucksters....
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  601. Nitwits Always See Aliens, NASA.
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  602. in 2016 these airport employees in miami  00:51 had no idea what they were looking at
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  603. Obviously a routine rocket launch, what's wrong with you?
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  604. Says the 'National Enquirer'.
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  605.  @peter-radiantpipes2800  == All of them? What planet are YOU on? And you did hear that Carter was watching a NASA rocket 'barium cloud' launch from Eglin AFB, didn't you? If not, you need to get out into the real world more. The internet UFO hucksters have rotted your brain.
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  606.  @peter-radiantpipes2800  == The internet is full of 'astronaut space UFO secrets', it's made-up fairy tales for their gullible audience. Those sites sell ads to sellers looking for a captive audience who will fall for anything. Even Cooper and Mitchell agreed -- no UFOs ever encountered on space missions while they were there.
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  607. Hoax debunked in the last century, get a clue.
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  608. There's no gentle way to say this. You are an idiot and people on the internet LIKE it that way. Here's what rocket launches have ALWAYS looked like at twilight, I'm sorry you never had a clue, but now you do. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  609. Who is the white guy explaining the asteroid naming? A NASA scientist? He's not identified.
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  610. 'She' was the sister of the Italian kids who were faking it. Why are you so pitifully gullible?
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  611.  @MikeCaiazzo1  -- Any questions? The internet lies to you day and night because you let them get away with it.
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  612.  @MikeCaiazzo1  - Preponderance of evidence. In hindsight the technical claims of the Italian kids were physically impossible [read the links in my reports]. Post Soviet collapse, original records and photos/16-mm-cine and diaries have become accessible by Western investigators. You're gonna have to face the fact you let yourself get suckered -- it takes a mature human being to acknowledge such an embarrassing lapse. Show us what you got.
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  613. You do realize it was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you? Want evidence?
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  614. What's your top-credibility astronaut space UFO encounter story, and why, please?
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  615. As intended? Do you suspect there was more to the story that was left out?
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  616. Hoax by the Italian kids.
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  617. Gagarin was the first human in space. The other stories were confused rumors and outright hoaxes. Please catch up.
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  618. Ang mga kuwentong ito ay mga kathang-isip na pabula na naglalayong mga bata na walang muwang.
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  619. Yeah, that fairy tale was just as [in]credible as their other hoaxes.
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  620. [facepalm]
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  621. These moon-UFO fairy tales are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at helplessly gullible nitwits. Here's a lecture on these bogus tales that I delivered at Space Center Houston for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations last year. http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  622. Seems you are a gullible nincompoop.
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  623. Excellent analysis. Its a proven hoax aimed at gullible simpletons, sorry!
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  624. Edgar Mitchell to UFO convention, at time 10:35 “I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself except for the fact of meeting all these fine research people, many of whom are fine research people, many of whom are here today, who written books about it and spent decades digging out the facts, plus my own experience with the old-timers who told me their story of the Roswell. And that's why with my interest after my spaceflight and having an epiphany in the space about the connectedness of everything the interconnectedness of all things in the universe and life itself.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVOyXOmvk
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  625. Man, stay away from that samogen vodka.
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  626. I thought they had space rockets too. Duh?
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  627.  @raejackson5654  == "And Qld Australia too , so it's planet X debris 100%" == Eh, what? Not following you. Typical Falcon9 second stage reentry debris.
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  628.  @smrpatriot652  = MSM lies without even blinking. We're on the same page here. THIS event still is clearly a satellite reentry.
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  629.  @smrpatriot652  == look on your youtube home page DISCUSSION folder, i tried to post a link to a report there.
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  630. Only true thing here is you have been childishly gullible.
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  631. Please seek professional help.
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  632. So you just got your 'Junior Rocket Scientist' secret decoder ring in the mail?
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  633. Why couldn't THIS one have been a satellite reentry like they say?
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  634. Idiot child?
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  635.  @kenarnold9132  "Permanent resident of Russia" -- So you've just had breakfast? I'm getting ready for bed.
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  636. What Fred said. Amen.
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  637. John, respect my opinion by READING it and telling me where you think it's erroneous, please. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  638. Surviving fragments would have come down hundreds of miles farther east.
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  639. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  640. It's due to major delays in their new science module that was supposed to keep the third crewman busy.
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  641. Old National Enquirer hoax aimed at gullible nitwits. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  642. Basing a joke on a brave man's tragic death [Vladimir Komarov] reveals things about you that most people would prefer be kept hidden. Please wise up.
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  643. Seems like you've been duped by internet hoaxers who are contemptuous of your judgment, please get a grip.
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  644. You chose to be a victim of a clumsy hoax. Laika was smarter.
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  645. OK, who left the door open so a grown-up could get into the room???
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  646. Why would they?
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  647.  @kevinwalker3275  == You do realize that telescopes observe extremely small segments of the sky at great magnification?
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  648.  @kevinwalker3275  == "No telescope in Pacific northwest seen a rocket" == Why should any telescope have been watchin this reentry? What kind of telescopes can track a sky target moving at several degrees per second? What point are you trying to make?
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  649.  @kevinwalker3275  == What point are you trying to make?
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  650.  @kevinwalker3275  == " you cant convince a man that absolutely 100% knows what he saw an how many that his eyes are Lying!! " == OK, we're talking about the fireball swarm sightings, right? If it was a hundred mile away and somebody who saw it says he's sure it was only a mile away, how trustworthy is his guess since he has no reliable method to judge the distance, right?
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  651.  @kevinwalker3275  == How many examples do you need of people completely misjudging distance to a blurry light in the night sky?
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  652.  @kevinwalker3275  == Have you looked up my report that I linked to from the DISCUSSION folder on your youtube home page?
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  653. Uh, the shuttle program ended ten years ago. Why not start a fund to buy him a ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him  free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  654.  EmpireFall -- Don't ever believe ANY single source on 'what happened' in such inflammatory narratives. As a historian, what bothers me most about this story is that there are no first or second hand sources regarding the alleged Yeager comment, and that Dwight's subsequent training went through to successful graduation and reassignment. to test pilot responsibilities commensurate with his attained expertise. The two guys picked from Dwight's class of 16, by NASA, were at the top of their class, Dwight admits he wasn't, his excuse is all the weekend travel for speeches arranged by the White House, while the other students stayed on base studying and flying. Seems to me the White House put him in an untenable position that was going to be politically useful no matter what the outcome -- and it's still being used for political use, even today, as the NY Times shows.
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  655. sts-48?
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  656. You OK with the rocket story?
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  657. Even though he was 3 inches shorter than the vehicle's minimum height design spec? LM pilots flew standing up peering out a small window.
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  658. I guess that 'junior rocket scientist' decoder ring you got in the mail with all those breakfast cereal boxtops hasn't worked for you, eh? Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  659. I'm still looking for specifics on the Stage-2 separation -- how long the rockets fired, and what G-loads the crew endured.
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  660. You misspelled Judy's last name.
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  661. Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  662. In your dreams.
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  663. 'She' was the Italian kids' sister, and helped her brothers fake it.
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  664. "Secret dead cosmonauts' was a rumor in the 1960s but turned out to be fully mythical. Never actually happened
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  665. Same goes for poltergeist sightings.
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  666. Maybe "her"story? But bogus no matter what you call it. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/988/1
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  667. I saw his account, there were lots of rumors like that in those days. It took years to track them all down, they turned out to be misinterpretations plus few hoaxes. Want to see the full report on them?
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  668. The 1st stage return is new.
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  669. Hoax.
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  670. The Ilyushin story was a baseless rumor that became a media hoax aimed at gullible nitwits. Please catch up.
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  671. Why are you skeptical of the rocket explanation?
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  672.  @CanariasCanariass  -- The handheld 70-mm images show the dots even better as out-of-focus nearby small stuff. That's why the UFO hucksters conceal that evidence from their intended scam victims.
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  673. your questions answered here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  674. Hello?
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  675. Yep, those were the stories at the time. It turned out they were all misinterpretations or outright media hoaxes.
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  676. Here's some reports I've done on this puzzle: the Italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf  and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  677. How much jet time did any of them have? Tell us.
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  678. Anybody know? You can count their jet hours on the fingers of no hands.
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  679. Where's the evidence for NASA racial bias? While in the USAF "Aerospace Research Test Pilot" school [NOT an 'astronaut school'] Dwight came up before the NASA 'Group 3' astronaut review board in 3rdQ 1963, the top 2 students [of ~15] were picked by NASA [Dave Scott and Ted Freeman]. Dwight admits his evaluation scores weren't that high due to all the weekends away that the White House demanded he do speaking tours stead of studying / practicing. He thought he deserved a pass on his lower grades because the White House wanted him picked no matter what, for symbolic reasons, and because he insisted top-skill test pilots weren't needed anyway since the capsules were continuously remotely-controlled from Houston anyway [which wasn't actually accurate]. The class ended as scheduled in December and the students dispersed to test pilot related assignments, as always planned.
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  680. Daniel, find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  681. No argument with your overall view, but as a historian, I'm still troubled by the too-easy assumption that the Yeager comment was accurately described after a third-hand hearsay sequence. Nobody seems able to find any actual witnesses to the statement, nor any consequences of the alleged command, if it even ever existed. Dwight graduated on schedule with the rest of his classmates.
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  682. Cool story, thanks.
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  683. Do you have a locatable brain to BE 'washed'? The UFO story is an internet fairy tale aimed at gullible dimwits.
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  684.  @ctalina  -- [grin] Pleese uncover the factual/logical flaws in these reports: During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf ===
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  685. Stuart, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the process. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  686. Rocket. Get a clue.
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  687.  @thizzlemetimbrs8194  == "The crafts or particles we see are simply vapor? " == Npt vapor, but water ice that flash freezes in the vacuum, since Glenn's first flight.
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  688.  @upshiftgo  - "They are in FACT unknown objects" -- Unknown to YOU, no dispute. Here's how Story Musgrave describes them: http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave_ramble.pdf
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  689.  @upshiftgo  - OK, I'll bite, name your top four astronauts who have reported seeing UFOs in space, and your top four NASA employees revealing UFO secrets. Names, please.
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  690.  @upshiftgo  "this is not ice rotating reflecting the sun, "== You know better than the folks on the scene, the actual flight crews and mission controllers? How did you attain that superior knowledge?
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  691.  @BaronSaturday66  - Possible. I definitely think there are weird things being spotted in space, they just seem [accidentally or deliberately] to get lost in the noise and distraction of the bogus stories. I offer this example of a report by cosmonaut Kovalyonok from Salyut space station in 1981.... http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  692.  @Norwegianization  -- Alien origin, unambiguously? Can't think of any. But unexplainable in current knowledge -- here's Kovalyonok's report from 1980: http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  693. What 'other astronauts'? This was an AF training program, none of the students were astronauts. And none of the students ever seemed to have remembered such a comment by Yeager [who denies it], Dwight heard a third-hand hearsay of unverifiable accuracy. And he graduated from the course just fine.
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  694. Hole-in-head opening.....?
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  695. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  696. There's no longer ANY question among historians and investigative journalist. The Italian kids faked it, and modern internet hucksters revive the fakes for a new generation of credulous halfwits. Live with it.
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  697. -- About Captain Dwight?
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  698.  @smileandlaughs  == It may not have been that cynical, if he'd been picked it would be a campaign plus for the Dems, and if not picked, a motivation for renewed loyalty to the Dems from angry black voters. But nobody made a political issue like that, back then, so I just take them at their word, they wanted to let the best available candidate have a shot. Nowadays, the political connection of this narrative with the NY Times editorial campaign on '1619' seems very suggestive.
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  699. Face it -- the audio was a hoax.
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  700.  @colecoal1365  - Hey, 'Blood' -- how did they let a sane guy like YOU in here?
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  701. When cosmonaut-trainee Bondarenko was killed in a training capsule fire, even his gravestone was a lie. Story here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  702. The Italian kids faked it for fame, fortune, and hot dates with starlets. Some cosmonauts dies in training, in secret. None died on secret space flights. None. This has been confirmed by post-Soviet Western access to all records, diaries, and veterans. Want the details?
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  703. Komarov's death was revealed within hours.
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  704.  @i_luv_hecklefish == The idea that Komarov took the flight knowing it was doomed, to save the life of his friend Gagarin, the alternate pilot, is patently preposterous. The mission involved docking with a second ship, and transfer of two men from it into Komarov’s ship, to return to Earth with him. If he knew his ship would crash, he would have condemned his two in-flight additions to die with him. Not credible at all.
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  705. So how do we know if that was really said? As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  706.  @Alvin-1138  -- No argument. Lots of people made lots of stupid comments, did lots of stupid and evil things, and still do. NASA had a leading role in its workforce and its communities in the 1960s in beating back those ancient curses. But Dwight's major drawback in the school seems to have been the burden of three-day-weekend nationwide speeches for the White House while other students stayed on base studying and flying.
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  707.  @Alvin-1138  "Btw I get it, nobody likes hearing their Hero wasn't always heroic. But reality is reality." -- No, I don't think you get it. I'm a spaceflight historian interested in the full reliable facts of this particular incident. Why hasn't anyone ever found a first or second hand witness to the alleged comment? Perhaps a triple-hearsay mutation of some original remark got to Dwight. I'd like to know the reality, not just get my existing biases reinforced.
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  708.  @Alvin-1138  -- Thanks for the rational response to an inflammatory subject. 'Every time' isn't the issue, it's this one very well-documented and researched episode. The NY Times last July reported it talked with two contemporaries of his at Edwards, apparently neither of them had any recollection of such a comment. And the comment as it got to him by multiple hearsay didn't make any sense because he WASN'T ostracized [by his own words] and graduated as scheduled six months later [and was 'gone', but not because he was driven away, but because that was the end of the training program].
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  709. About NASA?
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  710.  @bluephantom6043  -- What did NASA do wrong?
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  711.  @bluephantom6043  -- Agree. He inspired a lot of further applications from black pilots, one of who later became NASA Administrator, so his honorable place in history is assured. Thanks for the reply. [his main problem seems to have been he was too SHORT to fly the Lunar Module, by about three inches!]
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  712.  @bluephantom6043  "o be denied after completing everything just because of your height, "== The school he completed was a general aerospace test piloting school, with NASA astronaut selection awaiting only a very small fraction of graduates. He completed the school and was given a top position in test flight operations at Wright Patterson AFB. He admitted his class standing was not top-drawer [like the 2 of the 16 who were picked by NASA] because he sacrificed study and practice flying time to fly across the country giving speeches for the White House every week-end. He wanted a waiver on flying skill level because he claimed the space capsules were all remote-controlled from Houston anyway -- but they weren't.
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  713. Campfire ghost stories to terrify the tenderfeet. Grow up.
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  714. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  715. What do you think this was?
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  716. Try this. Here's my attempt to get to the reality behind these stories [you may not like it]: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  717.  @pleasesubscribe7659  == How could it be made stronger?
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  718.  @erichill3128  -- Eric, my joke swam right over your head. [grin]
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  719.  @coronadog1708  -- Laika was on Sputnik-2, no previous orbital dog mission. Please catch up.
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  720.  @coronadog1708  -- Laika was the first dog in orbit, at least in the Earth timeline, don't know about your home planet.
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  721.  @Skymanfoob  -- Ilyushin? This is an old hoax that keeps being revived by internet hucksters to victimize new generations of gullible kids. It's embarrassing how many folks still fall for it.
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  722.  @Skymanfoob  -- I posted some links in the DISCUSSION folder on your youtube home page, and facebook-IM'ed them to Guy DeW---
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  723.  @Skymanfoob  = First, Ilyushin himself never claimed he'd been a cosmonaut, and hundreds of training photos and 16-mm cine film released over the decades show everyone else in that first class of 20 men, but never him. Nothing was tracked in orbit. There is zero evidence in support of that narrative, and massive evidence against it. You were scammed. Face it.
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  724. Public misinterpretations of the SpaceX launch on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/20181007-mass-reports_1128.pdf
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  725. -- The Internet UFO salesmen lie to you, and you LIKE it.
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  726.  @dudebroski9460  -- There were rumors about secret fatalities in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked [the Bondarenko fire immediately gave rise to misinterpretations it was on a secret launch]. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  727.  @dudebroski9460 -- Thank again for sharing your experiences and insights so well. The public needs to have access to more personal accounts like yours, reliable and clear. Sadly, most of what the internet is spreading is not just nonsense, but often deliberate fraud, and it seems to really have infected the minds of an awful lot of careless people. Since my lifetime vocation and avocation has been spaceflight operations, I'm particularly sensitive to the reality-abuse that I encounter on that subject. Don't be a stranger! www.jamesoberg.com
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  728. So how do you determine a NASA claim is untrue? What's your favorite such false claim, and where's the evidence it's false?
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  729.  @clay3865 -- Not funny. Where is it 'proven', based on what verifiable evidence? Give me one good example of some UFO/ETI event being covered up at NASA?
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  730.  @clay3865  -- You claimed, so you owe the proof. Which of those hundreds of internet narratives do you think are most credible?
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  731.  @clay3865  -- Oh, I have, it's why I figure you have ZERO credible evidence on 'NASA UFO secrets' and are only bluffing.
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  732.  @clay3865  == The magic word is EVIDENCE. I called your bluff, bro, your make-believe game is over. Bye.
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  733. THANK YOU! We're almost done getting his name added to the astronaut memorial in Florida, as he deserved.
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  734. You do realize it was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you? Want evidence?
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  735. Why =NOT= a satellite reentry?
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  736.  @RexGoesFishing  = [grin] would you believe me? look me up on wikipedia.
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  737. She's Cuban.
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  738. Can you share a sketch of the details you saw in the shape?
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  739. Russian papers WHEN? I think you dreamed it.
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  740.  @tevx9670  -- fail
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  741. I posted links a year ago presenting the evidence these recordings were hoaxed, and were debunked decades ago. Scan down this comment thread for my name.
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  742.  @songoloamissi-z1d  - Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  743. The snapped tether and swarm video at 04:00 has been falsely promulgated for a quarter century by fraudsters and nincompoops as showing a fleet of somethings swooping in immediately to inspect the loose tether. The swarm video was actually taken FOUR DAYS LATER after the shuttle had resumed routine waste water dumps, which the crew could see were caused by the dump, since these dots were clearly small and close, because the astronauts had binocular vision with their two eyes. This four-day-gap was in a video that the UFO salesmen originally claimed was UNCUT. As long as their target audience keeps falling for such frauds, the internet will keep producing them. Genuine anomalies could be lost in the blizzard of nonsense and pretense.
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  744. Any chance you could make a sketch of what it looked like to you? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  745. Why hasn't anybody else managed to do it, since then?
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  746. The Italian kids were faking, it was their own sister mumbling in Russian, you're right.
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  747. Who of the 'real astronauts' has walked on the moon and 'officially' said they saw UFOs there? I suggest you are hopelessly gullible, or excessively imaginative if not totally delusional. Show us those statements.
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  748. Compare the observations to this Russian launch -- http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Soyuz_launch_4.pdf
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  749. "The Russians were known to have both sent lots of people that died that they covered up " -- lots of people suspected that, but it turned out there weren't any. The two flights were cosmonauts were killed were quickly announced.
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  750. The head of the space center is a Hispanic woman, so get a clue.
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  751. Gist, you're right, here are THOSE obervations: Ground observations of Zuma booster flares, Jan 8, 2018 http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  752. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  753. I watched these kinds of scenes live for years, in Mission Control, and in replay, and on youtube -- and came to realize how unearthly they were in terms of traditional visual cues that are valid on Earth under normal earth conditions, but no longer apply -- and even are misleading in zero-G bright-sun invisible-shadow vacuum with vehicles spewing and burping fluids at random intervals and directions. Nobody starts off knowing this. Those who close their eyes and minds to the visual consequences of the different environment will remain blind to it. Intelligent people can indeed be baffled by, and seriously misinterpret, these scenes. When they are motivated to examine their subconscious instinctive and learned perceptual methods compared to the first new environment of human perception in history, they should check out the advice of people who have already done it. Otherwise their visual cortex will remain earthbound and their judgments on the nature of these videos will be astronomically erroneous. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  754. As far east as El Paso.
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  755. The poor guy was thrown into the public spotlight for JFK's political advantages, and I don't doubt he was assured by the White House that they would get him selected. And he makes it clear that the publicity campaigns they scheduled him on did significantly distract from his studies and flight time [in his autobiography he blames his lower ratings on Yeager for giving permission to take most weekends off, supposedly with the malicious intent of having those trips lower his performance, which he admits they did]. He played an honorable role as an inspiration to the next generation, but that seems poor consolation for his dashed hopes
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  756. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  757. The notion the 'moon race' was a US budget ploy is widely believed== but not by men, here's why. Here's my overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  758. Don't let your mind by poisoned by the faking UFO hucksters. Aldrin always speaks openly about ANYTHING he feels like speaking on, and the 'secret aliens' fairy tale is an insult to his integrity, just to boost the artificial self-esteem of the fable's gullible victims. . During his moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  759. Where exactly did NASA get it wrong?
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  760. Fuel clouds and plumes: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  761.  @powersww1reset  == I'm always looking for corrections and/or clarifications for my reports, can you help me?
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  762. Sensible skepticism -- and it turned out to be an out-and-out fake recording.
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  763. You sent 'Gaia' money? You're a bigger sucker than the average bear.
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  764. Actually, NASA releases much higher-res photos and excellent videos of stuff like this. The UFO salesmen withhold the good stuff that would allow their target audience to have a more reality-based assessment of the subject, because they realize their victims will allow them to get away with it. You seem to have.
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  765. Open your mind. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  766. Good question, good answer.
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  767. "He’s gone on record saying they saw a UFO." Show me.
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  768. date/time please?
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  769.  @riley-d3036  == Did you check heavens-above for your location at that time for any bright satellite?
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  770. "Perhaps critique the ideas, not the ufo researchers themselves. " == Good plan. Stand by. General critiques here: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  771. Hucksters are folks who exploit gullible public interest with claims for which persuasive debunking has already been done, and in any fair presentation, would at least be mentioned. Another sign of a huckster is deliberate withholding of critical factual elements -- in this case, for example, how LONG after the tether break did the dot swarm show up? If you had to guess, what would you suggest?
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  772.  @madcacher1119  -- Interesting argument. Sticking to the subject of this video, which spaceflight report I've written reminds you of the approach that I had criticized by the UFO promoters? Like, the story that Apollo-11 encountered an alien ship on a crater rim where they landed -- is that the kind of story you find credible?
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  773.  @madcacher1119  -- " There are reports that the astronauts saw craft on the edge of the crater. " Exactly correct, there WERE such reports from early on. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  774.  @madcacher1119  == "Help me understand that." == That's what I try to explain in my '99 FAQs'. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  775.  @madcacher1119  == "How do you explain the moon “ringing like a bell” when stuck with the lander? " == You could easily have looked this up yourself if you were really desirous of an explanation. "Ring like a bell" was a metaphor when the first Apollo-emplaced seismometers detected seismic shock waves from deliberate lunar impacts [by US vehicles] and later large natural objects. It referred to the unexpectedly-long time duration of the resonance waves, not damping out as quickly as in Earth's crust. Geologists quickly figured out the lunar crust didn't damp out seismic signals as quickly as on Earth because of the much higher dryness [and brittleness] of the crustal rocks [not because it was metallic and hollow 'like a bell']. It was the lingering reverberations that prompted the scientist's phrase 'like a bell', not an acoustic similarity to what a bell actually sounds like to the ear.
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  776.  @madcacher1119  -- "And what were those “prosaic” explanations regarding the crater rim? Because there was reportedly more than one craft. " -- So you haven't bothered to study the link I gave above?
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  777.  @madcacher1119  -- Thank for making your reasoning clear. When you're ready to consider all the evidence rationally, get back in touch.
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  778.  @beelzeboo  Spectrum what? Any comments on flaws in my argument?
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  779.  @donovanhoover7265  -- I'd love to see any checkable logical or factual flaws, go ahead, please.
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  780.  @donovanhoover7265  - UFO nutter gimmick #6 -- when the case you proposed gets shaky, quick go and change the subject.
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  781.  @donovanhoover7265  -- Don't you believe astronaut Gordon Cooper? Astronaut Gordon Cooper, who was a big believer in UFOs, said that there were no alien ruins seen on the moon – “I went over every inch of the film””. In response to an interviewer's direct question about Fred Steckling's book, he says this at 01:00:30 into the video interview on youtube entitled ."Астронавт США Гордон Купер 26 августа 1995 г в Санкт-Петербурге" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWYHYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"&HYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"t=1943sHYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"
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  782.  @donovanhoover7265  ''' or astronaut Ed Mitchell? Edgar Mitchell to UFO convention, at time 10:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVOyXOmvk “I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself …"
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  783.  @donovanhoover7265  -- Are you OK with THIS video having a prosaic explanation?
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  784.  @donovanhoover7265  == My reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html took many hours and many lucky breaks to compile, so before picking a new target I'd just like some assurance you wouldn't blow it off like all my other proposed explanations.
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  785.  @donovanhoover7265  -- I've got nothing to add on that image. Imagery in the '60's was pretty sloppy, now half a dozen different nations have had much higher resolution imagers covering the entire moon, plus 9 Apollo missions. Unless they're all in the coverup together, the blip on the 1965 Soviet probe remains a blip.
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  786.  @donovanhoover7265 == The most notorious non-existent feature of that era was the 'Soviet Mountains' spotted in Luna-3 photos, that weren't mountains at all, just crater rays brighter than expected. Vidicon tubes and digital memories were still primitive, and both Soviet and American early imagers used physical film that was developed automatically in zero-G, and then scanned line by line for transmission. It was astonishing there weren't more emulsion droplets than actually showed up.
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  787.  @donovanhoover7265  -- Please read my response more carefully. That was an example of the kind of blips that the early missions recorded.
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  788.  @donovanhoover7265  -- By no means. Luna-3 and Zond-3 used the same first-generation mapping imagery technology. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
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  789.  @donovanhoover7265 -- The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  790. Again: The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  791. Obrigado!!
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  792. I think you are foolish to be so easily duped by internet strangers. Want to see the evidence these are fake?
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  793.  @Akabeche  == It's been a lifelong hobby, I called out that story as bogus in my first book in 1981,
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  794. It's possible you fell for an old hoax.
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  795. I get this reaction a lot from nutters who have no rational response to my debunking reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html, and I'm not offended -- considering the looniness and outright scams many of the tinfoil hatters promote, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T consider me their arch-enemy. Anybody willing to try and point out specific factual and logical flaws in these reports is graciously invited to have their say. Their decades-long silence on this simple challenge is eloquent indeed.
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  796. Bigger question, why does somebody as obviously confused as you expect anybody to bother to explain it to him?
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  797.  @thurston383 -- You need to , find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  798. =  @thurston383 == [grin] Still no evidence to offer? Good.
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  799.  @thurston383  -- I'm about the only player in this dialog who =DOES= grab for verifiable evidence, not ego-boosting make-believe from internet hucksters. If my reports were THAT erroneous and illogical, don't you think the UFO salesmen would have listed specific errors, in all these years? Instead, the only card they need to play is grade school playground insults to keep their target audience of gullible kiddies afraid to look at my stuff. What should that tell you?
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  800.  @thurston383  == Come on, what could it hurt to take a look at the aspects of these stories the UFO hucksters hide from you -- because they know they can usually get away with it. For example, during the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  801. He's been into space and you haven't.
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  802. Call it whatever you want, it still IS a rocket research program.
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  803.  @davidellis5135  -- David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  804. Your anti-hoax shield isn't so great.
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  805. Gagarin flight was announced DURING the mission. These tapes were exposed as a hoax fifty years ago. Want the evidence?
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  806. Open your mind. Russian missile test.
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  807. Not quite.
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  808.  @janea5898  -- Like this, for example? The White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting JFK policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying. His final class standing was 8th out of 16, NASA only picked #1 and #2.
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  809.  @janea5898  What is 'horrible' about what happened to Captain Dwight? He was in a group of about two hundred pilots in the running for astronaut selection, and NASA picked 14. How was he a victim?
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  810. You've been scammed.
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  811.  @grdovwd1589  -- Human nature has taught us that people who are scammed by hoaxers often are the last defenders of the hoax, in order to avoid coming to grips with their own original imprudent gullibility.
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  812. Aaron, how many previous examples do you want to see?
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  813. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  814. Thanks for sharing some reality.
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  815. The UFO hoaxers want you NOT to think, why are you so eager to fall for that?
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  816. That was a possibility. But it takes as long to manufacture a good museum mockup as it does to build a real one, and the exhibit needed one fast -- so the factory provided a production-run extra since several were built in case of launch failures, and it was left over.
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  817. "Falcon NEIN"?? LOL, good one. Now, exactly why do your experts justify rejecting the satellite reentry explanation for this event? 1. Object in question left in orbit du to malfunction 2. Tracked regularly as orbit decayed. 3. Reentry predicted for a particular time interval 4. Satellite passed over Oregon/Washington at the time of the sighting, in the same direction of motion. 5. Object motion was still largly horizontal as it skimmed upper atmosphere. 6. Fireball phase began about 55 mile up, lasted a minute or so as object descended to about 40 miles where it was slowed enough to extinguish incandescence. 7. Crossed entire sky of mot observer, horizon to horizon -- normal for reentering space objects. 8. Some sonic booms heard a few minutes AFTER passage, confirming it was HIGH.
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  818.  @chrys8048  == Комментарий о произношении был верным.
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  819. The 'Russian female' was the radio kids' sister, it was a hoax, all historians now agree, please catch up.
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  820. They tried to hide a lot, but it came out. THIS story originated as a hoax by the Italian kids.
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  821. Nitwits Always See Aliens
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  822.  @sweeflyboy  -- Rumor is Ilyushin, and debunked decades ago.
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  823. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  824. Brad, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the process. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  825. "everyone else who are like only planet earth has life" -- this is a classic example of argumentation fakery, look up 'straw man argument' to see how you are actively faking an opponent's position.
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  826.  @ETAisNOW-wn8wx  "we should get less stupid" == Good plan, you can start by not being such easy marks for Internet scammers with 'secret NASA UFO photos' hoaxes., like this site. Check out authentic explanations for such weird-looking videos here: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  827.  @causetheplumstasteyum7848  == Where is there verifiable evidence that NASA has ever covered up any ETI-detection evidence?
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  828.  @causetheplumstasteyum7848  Speculation is fun, but I'm trying to find any real evidence for these widespread stories, I sure would appreciate some help.
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  829.  @thoughtprovoked8030  : "There is tons of proof lol" == The comment was on 'NASA', how about an ounce or two of proof along those lines.
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  830. "There is tons of proof lol" == The comment was on 'NASA', how about an ounce or two of proof along those lines.
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  831. Dream on. Could be real ETI -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. These tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  832. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  833.  @phoebedraws852  -- I figured your HHP handle indicated a whimsical nature that the semantics of the silly term might be appealing to. You don't have to imagine what people call ME on these comment threads [grin].
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  834.  @phoebedraws852  == Guys, this could b the start of a beautiful friendship. Check out www.jamesoberg.com for weird stuff I've gotten into.
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  835. What does a wormhole look like?
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  836. … good idea, leave THIS channel to the credulous nincompoops who swallow these kinds of hoaxes.
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  837.  @pathegarty4757  "Walter Concrite was remarking on two large buildings that were accidentally shown as an astronaut walked by them." == In your dreams....
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  838. "A comment by the Russians was made that they to had lost a female cosmonaut before. After that was said people were questioning who this could of been and when it occurred. Now I am not saying that tape is real but in 1986 the Russians admitted to losing a female cosmonaut in space. " == Sure would be nice to see any proof such a comment was made. How about I offer a $100 bounty to the first person who posts a verifiable link or print citation?
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  839. He's truthful. No UFOs seen on that or any other moon flight.
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  840. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  841. They're Mercator projections of a round earth, over which the track is straight.
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  842. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  843. "it's a legit retelling of a very old tale... Why the hostility?" == Maybe because the stories he promotes were rumors at the dawn of the Space Age but were thoroughly debunked by EVERY spaceflight historian who investigated them in subsequent years, as further insights into Soviet space activities advanced. To misleadingly present them today as still-potentially-authentic claims is incompetent or dishonest. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  844. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  845. Do you WANT to understand why not?
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  846. Here's today's Russian story accusing a US crewmember. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3738617
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  847. He inspired a follow-on generation of African-American astronauts, one of whom became director of NASA. His experience suffered more from White House demands he take time away from his Edwards AFB training to travel and give political speeches, and he concedes his class standing was middling [only the top 2 of 16 got selected by NASA itself]. Apparently the White House promised him they'd make NASA take him anyway, but NASA didn't [all this, BEFORE Kennedy got shot], based on existing selection criteria, probably including [NOT mentioned in current news media coverage] he was three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo 'lunar lander' [the crew stood up to see out a small window, and used ceiling mounted navigation instruments he would have needed a footstool to reach].
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  848. Be proud of him. Your details are confused but the main theme Is spot on.
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  849. Thanks for the report, can you make and share a sketch of the details your eyes saw in the shape?
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  850. I posted links a year ago presenting the evidence these recordings were hoaxed, and were debunked decades ago. Scan down this comment thread for my name.
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  851.  @hselctrical  -- OK, opening salvos fired... now we can be friends. www.jamesoberg.com
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  852.  @hselctrical  -- Studying modern mythology....
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  853. Exactly.
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  854. It was crap. Good call.
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  855. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  856. Jacob, that's a fair question. The first stage powered return to Earth here [and on Oct 7, 2018] were definitely new and strange-looking. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  857. Could be real ETI -- just not the 'astronaut stories'.
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  858. Would you be interested in seeing answers?
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  859.  @castaofficial4624  -- The offer's still open.
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  860. The photos showed the shadow, not a profile, and the actual narrowness of the shadow-caster depended on the slope of the down-sun surface. Were you expecting some obelisk?
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  861. They DID erase failed candidates -- but never actual space travelers.
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  862. Sensible. See 'Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories' http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  863.  @brettrobinson521  [grin] Flim-flam is right, and the more fools he dupes, the funnier it gets. BUT my redline is when he tells insulting lies about space program folks I've known and respected -- that's when it's time to blow the whistle on the con.
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  864. Don't be so gullible. Real research [not internet googling] was effective in debunking all these stories decades ago. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  865. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  866. Competition was fierce. In my analysis as a space program veteran and spaceflight historian, Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting JFK policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying [his final class standing was 8th out of 16]. Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. The AF put him on their list of nominees for the 1963 selection but after consideration NASA did not even invite him to Houston for final interviews [only the top 2 of his ARPS class were finally selected, he had rated 8th]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision. In addition to his class standing, NASA’s decision may also have been based on physical stature: at 5'03" he was three inches shorter than the minimum design spec for pilot height for the Apollo Lunar Module.
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  867. Compassionate people can only pity the shriveled souls of life's losers who need fake ego-boosting by pretending through such it-was-faked gimmicks that, despite their day-to-day unhappy frustrations, THEY are smarter and tougher than the amazing folks who made the Apollo program work, and won not just the 'moon race' but the Cold War against communism [which soon collapsed]. Their 'killer questions' have been answered years ago, they don't have the sense to even understand the thorough explanations -- it's a waste of effort to try to break through their mental walls constructed not merely of innocent ignorance but of deliberately-crafted falsehoods.
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  868. Resnik.
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  869. ""LOL a couple of hundred thousand feet in the sky.. then why did you have witnesses saying it was so close"" == Because night-sky observers have no reliable clue how far away a blob of light might be. How many other examples from previous missile and space events do you need? Ten? A hundred? A thousand?
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  870.  @sharonpadey6460  == Source for your claim, please?
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  871.  @sharonpadey6460  == Fair questions, helpful leads, let me chase them down.
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  872.  @sharonpadey6460  -- I posted some reports on the DISCUSSION folder of your youtube home page.
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  873. Outer space connection, where?
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  874.  @almostserious75  = wouldn't he have been told about things like that? Idk, maybe not." == Refractions from what?
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  875. To use the bodies of brave men who died on a heroic quest, as a podium for vomiting toxic delusions, marks you as a particularly vile perversion of a human being.
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  876.  @Ivansgarage212  -- You are seriously confused. Aldrin punched a crackpot calling him a liar about the 'fake moon flight' and waving a Bible in his face demanding he swear on it.
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  877.  @Ivansgarage212  -- Th Apollo-11 'UFO encounter' stories are still bogus. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  878.  @Ivansgarage212  - The only aliens seen on the moon were from Earth. The UFO stories are media myths aimed at gullible nincompoops. Here's the evidence. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  879.  @Ivansgarage212  == " they don’t want you knowing about the stuff to scare the public" == And you know this HOW, exactly? From a dream? From some internet blogger who says it'll make you really SMARTER than everybody else for thinking that way? Are there any named. verifiable sources of this claim?
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  880.  @Ivansgarage212  -- Here's a talk I gave last year bout the Moon Race that might answer some of your questions. http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf And at the same conference, a summary of the crazy 'moon myths' that have infected the brains of so many gullible halfwits these days. http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  881.  @truepeacefromviolence9581  == "i dont know if they saw UFO or not but i do believe that intelligent life form exists out there." == Agreed, and we need to keep our senses sharp to detect clues, and not be distracted by camouflaging from bogus UFO stories.
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  882.  @alainportant6412  -- Thanks for confessing you can't identify a single factual or logical flaw in my report.
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  883.  @DinoxDps  == "if you think we are the only things to ever be created" = Enough delusions, pal, fantasizing a stranger's beliefs. It looks just like a mental gimmick to give you an excuse to avoid engaging in a grown-up discussion of evidence. There are claims of FACT about this specific event that I am challenging. If you can't provide verifiable evidence, just admit it.
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  884. The 'Russian female' was the radio kids' sister, it was a hoax, all historians now agree, please catch up.
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  885. All reliable proof is the UFO stories are bogus, aimed at credulous nincompoops, and as these comments indicate, WELL-aimed. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  886.  @hendilim4757  == [grin] Tahnks for confessing you have =ZERO= verifiable evidence.
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  887. -- Thanks for the account of the very common Soviet-era rumor. Turns out to be unreal. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more : http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  888. These 'secret dead cosmonaut' stories are old hoaxes, long-ago disproved.
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  889. == Where's reliable validation of the alleged comment? Captain Dwight said he heard it from a student who said he'd heard it from an instructor who said he'd heard it from Yeager. I don't doubt Dwight's account of what he personally heard. But any court of law or ethical scholar or competent journalist wouldn't TOUCH a third-hand hearsay allegation without more direct sourcing.
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  890. Kiss it goodbye, then.
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  891. The stories are bogus.
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  892. And the checkable evidence for this is, uh, WHERE?
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  893. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  894. His standing in the Aerospace Research Pilots course [run by the USAF, it was a 'prep school' for pilots in planned military as well as civilian spaceflight careers] was middling, his excuse was all the time he had to take away from base giving speeches for the White House rather than studying and practice-flying. He claimed being a top student like the two guys [out of a dozen] NASA picked for the '63 astronaut class wasn't really necessary since the capsules were all remote-controlled from Houston anyway [which isn't true, actually]. And at 5'03" he was 3 inches below the minimum pilot height that the Apollo lunar module was being designed for.
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  895. Why can't THIS video just be a satellite reentry?
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  896. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  897. You've given a lot of thought to this topic, and the subject is worth it. It was the first significant 'Soviet space mystery' that I sleuthed out as a youngster: http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html Following the collapse of the USR, access to personnel, documents, and gravesites verified that all these early rumors were spurious. This particular recording turned out to be a clumsy publicity-seeking hoax. See the italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf There's plenty more old and new space history mysteries still awaiting dogged investigation Please keep at it.
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  898. Bingo. It was the Italian radio kids' sister, they were all into space hoaxes in the 1960s, as it turned out.
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  899. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  900. Someday maybe the internet UFO hucksters will all admit they were just faking out their target audiences of eager-believer nincompoops, and you'll realize how foolish you've been.
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  901. "we're not stupid anymore, " == I doubt you ever were stupid, but just maybe a bit gullible to internet hoaxers.
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  902.  @kjghrtbdf0ea9pjmnzcmnwreas55  - So my friends who say they've been there are lying to me?
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  903. Exhaust velocity is specific impulse times 'g' [9.8 meters/sec/sec] and typical 3rd stage Isp runs 250 to 350 sec, so that averages 3000 m/sec with orbital velocity 8000 m/sec. So the particulates quickly drop back into the atmosphere.
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  904. So how do you determine a NASA claim is untrue? What's your favorite such false claim, and where's the evidence it's false?
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  905.  @cybergothika6906  -- The tic-toc video are pretty awesome. WTF do they have to do with the subject of THIS video? Are you dropping your accusations against NASA and changing the subject?
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  906.  @cybergothika6906  == "I'm not discussing about evidence on a public-bathroom low-quality place such as youtube." == So you won't cite evidence supporting your accusations against NASA. Shocker. I figured it was a bluff.
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  907.  @cybergothika6906  -- I'm trying to get EVIDENCE.
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  908. ==@Rob Rochon== "none of it has ever looked like that." == Sure it has. This is typical. How old are you?
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  909. Nobody seems able to find any witnesses to this alleged comment, just third-hand hearsay. Shouldn't we get better evidence?
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  910.  @Qwistie_ -- [grin] Very revealing response, thanks.
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  911.  @Qwistie_  -- Any imaginative excuse will do when you don't have evidence for a specific claim of fact. Let's leave it at that.
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  912. Why =NOT= a satellite reentry fireball swarm?
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  913.  @tjb4303  == Thanks for responding. What was there about what you saw that indicated to you it couldn't be a reentry? BTW -- can you make a sketch and share it, about what you saw in the detailed structure?
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  914. Fla folks freak out too.
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  915. Hello?
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  916. #4 from NASA was a routine external tank jettison from a shuttle launch. There frequently was a weird white object drifting by that was the ice sheath off the ET to Orbiter cryogenic fuel feed line, always soon after tank jettison.
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  917. Agree we all should be proud of him. But Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting Democrats, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying. In September 1963 the two top rated students in the class [Ted Freeman and Dave Scott] were among the 14 new pilots NASA selected for real astronaut training, but Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him as well on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision. Dwight's most significant positive impact [for which full honor and gratitude is due] was to create the national publicity that propelled even more fully qualified black pilots and scientists into subsequent spaceflight careers. Plus he was three inches too short to fly the Apollo moon lander vehicle. NOBODY that short was ever accepted for the Apollo program. NY Times neglected to tell you that, huh?
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  918. The anti-Dwight racism charge against Yeager is pretty shaky on historical grounds, want to see some other assessments -- including one from Dwight himself?
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  919. World is so dumb because people as dumb as you think they are so smart. Here's my overview lecture at the moon race and Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  920.  @maximpikalev9538 == He was calling people 'dumb' for not agreeing with him, I just held a mirror up. The 'Space Race' showed that in the political context of the time, competition accelerated progress far greater than a joint United Nations commission ever could have. But it's an EXCELLENT topic to discuss. Here are some thoughts on the cost/value of international space cooperation: http://www.jamesoberg.com/140809_international_strategies.pdf
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  921.  @maximpikalev9538  -- ..but I stand properly rebuked, in any case. Tiger tank, for the sake of future international cooperation, I apologize. It was =NOT= 'dumb' to raise this issue.
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  922.  @maximpikalev9538  == " if russia collaborated with litteraly any other nation now they would make a lot of progress really really quickly" == Sadly, the chance of this happening is growing smaller all the time, as the once-awesome spaceflight industry in Russia continues to rot away from neglect, corruption, and budget starvation. It is NOT a happy prospect, the world already misses the cooperation AND competition a powerful Russian space program could provide -- if it ever exists again.
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  923.  @tigertank7108 -- I've been a true friend of the Russian space team for a long time -- and to prove it, I've often told them things they didn't want to hear, but needed to. I've known cosmonauts, officials, diplomats, flight controllers, others. See www.jamesoberg.com
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  924.  @tigertank7108  -- No offense taken, no forgiveness needed. I frequent these threads deliberately to GET good arguments from folks with different opinions, and it really happens that they can make me change [or modify' my views. THANK you.
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  925. Science.
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  926. You're joking, right? ................right??
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  927.  @pyramid...58  -- He's quite a story-teller, no doubt. It's fun to believe, for awhile. After awhile you catch on how made-up the tale really is. Did you hear the tale of them seeing the alien ship on the edge of the crater when they landed? Want to know what actually sparked that tale?
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  928. What do YOU hear him saying?
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  929. Happily, it was only a publicity-seeking stunt, quickly exposed and debunked. Then cynically revived by shameless internet hucksters to sucker a new generation of gullible victims.
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  930. He deliberately aims for a stupid audience.
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  931. Thanks for this video from an airliner cockpit. It Is a typical SpaceX Falcon9 rocket launch at twilight.
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  932. Where did Aldrin say there were aliens? You heard him say it? Were you stoned? Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  933. Any chance you could make a sketch of what it looked like to you? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  934.  @loganmeeker9112  == Thanks. Want to see two drawings that witnesses to the Oct 24 Maui fireball swarm produced, after I pestered them [grin]? They actually contained critical information they themselves didn't realize they had noticed -- and correctly remembered!
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  935. Who else said they'd seen aliens on the moon? Some internet blogger CLAIMING an astronaut told him, doesn't count. Edgar Mitchell to UFO convention, at time 10:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVOyXOmvk “I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself .." Why don't you believe him?
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  936. What's that got to do with astronauts' experiences in space?
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  937. that was the general pattern, but this specific case it turns out these losses were misinterpretations and rumors only.
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  938. Were there possibly legitimate reasons NASA didn't pick him?
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  939. Agreed. And I have the evidence Sereda is a looney-toon.
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  940. Spasibo!
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  941. "This makes me angry " == The story is =SUPPOSED= to make you angry, why are your buttons so easy to push. Could there have been non-racist reasons why NASA passed on the chance to select Dwight as an astronaut? Reasons this film hid from you, on purpose?
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  942.  @sebastianniqvist3144  == My point is that coverage of this dramatic chapter seems deliberately one-sided. In my analysis as a space program veteran and spaceflight historian, Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting JFK policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying [his final class standing was 8th out of 16]. Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. The AF put him on their list of nominees for the 1963 selection but after consideration NASA did not even invite him to Houston for final interviews [only the top 2 of his ARPS class were finally selected]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision. In addition to his class standing and massive White-House-imposed public relations duties, NASA’s decision may also have been based on physical stature: at 5'03" he was three inches shorter than the minimum design spec for pilot height for the Apollo Lunar Module, requiring he carry a footstool onto any moon-landing mission he might have been assigned to.
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  943. Bingo!
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  944. -- "Destroyed"? Might there have been any legitimate non-racist reasons for NASA to pick other candidates over him?
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  945. YOUR BRAIN IS THE BIGGEST HOAX IN YOUR LIFE.
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  946. sts-48 video shows nearby sunlit ice flakes hit by brief steering thruster pulse -- want the evidence?
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  947. Yes, we do. The story is fake.
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  948. Fairy tales from the early days, debunked decades ago. Gagarin was first. Please catch up.
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  949. I'll take that bet. What's your wager, who holds the stakes?
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  950. How many previous examples do you want? http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/KYSS-12.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  951. He should have mentioned his telepathic UFO contact story [it really had been a Chinese rocket] http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10384345
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  952. David, you can watch satellites lit by the sun against a dark sky as seen from the ground, get predictions at www.heavens-above.com, enter your location.
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  953. Please read the reports which expose the recordings as hoaxes.
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  954. What's your top-credibility astronaut space UFO encounter story, and why, please?
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  955. ​ It’s Me == Where's reliable validation of the alleged comment? Captain Dwight said he heard it from a student who said he'd heard it from an instructor who said he'd heard it from Yeager. I don't doubt Dwight's account of what he personally heard. But any court of law or ethical scholar or competent journalist wouldn't TOUCH a third-hand hearsay allegation without more direct sourcing.
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  956. You do realize it was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you?
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  957. Peddled, or counterfeited?
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  958. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  959. [sigh] Your brain is fake.
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  960.  @kylegauths4718  -- What evidence for Aldrin's alleged spaceflight UFO experiences do you consider most persuasive?
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  961.  @michaelthomashill  == Thanks for the good humor, let me show you some of my own research o this....
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  962.  @GodHatesRedPeople -- So together we got it fixed.
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  963. Without disputing any of your theology, let me ask why you think this apparition could not have been that reentering satellite rocket. Looks like one to me.
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  964.  @GodHatesRedPeople  -- A propellant tank from the rocket has just been recovered. Doesn't that settle it?
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  965.  @GodHatesRedPeople  == Please tell me the evidence that led you to a different assessment of the event.
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  966. Ground observations of Zuma booster flares, Jan 8, 2018 http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  967.  @rockxstarx4945  -- Thanks, any suggestions for better explanations and links would be helpful. AND ... there =ARE= some =VERY= interesting unexplained cosmonaut sightings, here's my favorite, by Kovalyonok. have cosmonauts seen secret launches? http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  968. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  969. These 'spaceflight UFO' narratives are fairy tales fabricated by internet hucksters aimed at gullible nitwits. A lot of you guys seem to have bulls-eyes painted on your foreheads. Even astronauts who think there ARE real UFOs agree the NASA-related stories are spurious.
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  970. Did you HEAR anything?
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  971.  @makemap  == What 'nuclear debris' are you talking about?
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  972. Scary how easy kids today can be duped by internet resurrection of long-debunked hoaxes like the Italian brothers.
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  973. Didn't seem to work: "Over time, he slowly won over the other trainees: “The other students began to come around. 'Cause they figured out, ‘Say wait a minute now. They tell us to stay away from this cat. The real deal is that that cat is gonna be the only one of us that's gonna go to the moon. If the President has his way, he's the only one of us that's gonna go! So we better be his friend.’” " https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=astronaut%20ed%20dwight&epa=SEARCH_BOX
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  974. Nope, nobody else. The brothers hoaxed it for fun, fame, fortune, and hot dates with Italian starlets. Nowadays cynical internet posters revive the hoax for similar reasons.
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  975. In your dreams you heard that.
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  976. I'll take that bet.
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  977. Here’s the amusing story about what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon: http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  978.  @nicholasmaude6906  -- Excellent! High-temperature alloys make that possible.
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  979.  @nicholasmaude6906  == Awesome. I'd sure like more links to descriptions/images.
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  980. So how do you determine a NASA claim is untrue? What's your favorite such false claim, and where's the evidence it's false?
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  981. Recycle -- So all your friends and relatives giggle at you when you make that silly claim, so you feel safer coming to anonymous forums, using a fake name, to spout off?
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  982.  @recyclespinning9839  [finally catches on to the joke - slaps forehead] Oops, got me!
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  983. Claiming the flight CAUSED the relaxation of tensions may be one space bridge too far. Us and the Russians really got connected only after the collapse of the ideologically antagonistic Soviet regime. ASTP just represented the already in progress mid-1970s Brezhnev-Nixon détente period [it did NOT cause it, as the crews always insisted] that actually soon collapsed with the Afghanistan and Angolan invasions and incidents such as the KAL-007 massacre. The inspirational ASTP groundwork only bore fruit with ISS when an entirely new regime [not just a new leader at the top] took over in Moscow. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/413/1
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  984. No need to pay for it, the rocket explanation is free -- and best of all, it's correct. What's your problem with it?
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  985.  @abstractproductionz5734  -- Who ever said it was a failure? Help me out -- what are the factual errors in my event report? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  986. They did, these were hoaxes, here's the evidence: Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence.
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  987. IN YOUR DREAMS.
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  988. It's scary how quickly so many kids these days can fall for such a clumsy hoax just because they saw it on the INTERNET.
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  989. It seemed so at the time, but not for long. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence.
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  990. Where's the evidence it's anything more than a hoax?
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  991. It's all 'govno'.
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  992. Update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  993. Totally bogus premise, show jumped the shark with discovery of underwater alien spaceship in Season 2, then Season 3 cancelled, gullible nitwit audience heart-broken. Shocker.
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  994. Those misinterpretations AND outright hoaxes by the Italian kids were exposed back in the last century. Want the evidence?
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  995. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  996. Rocket, get a clue.
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  997. The Italian kids were faking, it was their own sister mumbling in Russian, you're right.
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  998. Maybe your own mind misinterpreted it based on your belief in aliens and astronauts. What evidence Is there, for that belief?
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  999. Why not a rocket?
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  1000. I want a few puffs of what YOU'RE smoking.
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  1001.  @danielwebster5748  "I'll trade".. Let's just trade opinions and evidence and we'll both benefit.
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  1002.  @danielwebster5748  -- "Everything I'm stating has already been stated by the government " == Please show me where.
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  1003.  @danielwebster5748  "All I'll say is I got that from the horse's mouth so to speak" == ...or possibly from its other end?
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  1004. == Wasn't that movie about the first Mercury orbital flight, not the moon flight?
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  1005. Thanks for the shout-out, here are some links: the Italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf  and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1006. Just looking for any real witnesses to the alleged Yeager racist comment. So far, NONE.
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  1007. NASA didn't select him or dozens of other test pilot applicants for the new astronaut class in Sep 1963. Why is his case 'racism'?
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  1008.  @missdee212 == Thanks for replying. I wish you would try to explain. The facts are, he finished the class 8th out of 16, and NASA took #1 and #2 [in the September 1963 class]. Dwight does not dispute his class standing but points out that his studies suffered from the White House requirement he take three-day weekends away from base, giving speeches [he was promised they'd fix it for him, but didn't]. And there is the troubling matter of him being 3" too short [5'03"] to safely fly the Apollo 'Lunar Module' [5'06" was the shortest guy to fly it, Pete Conrad], might that have been a factor?
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  1009. As an inspirational figure he fully deserves gratitude and honors, and I'd chip in at GoFundMe for a flight for him on a private rocket that could take place in a year or so.
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  1010.  @cl-kb7xy  -- Didn't mean to scare you off.
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  1011.  @cl-kb7xy  = Unusual, for sure. Trying to do original investigations of genuine space flight mysteries, and expose my results to skeptics who can identify holes in the facts or logic -- to improve my conclusions.
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  1012.  @kirbyjustine1  == I'm seeking explicit reasons that some people make such interpretations. Or as in the case of this comment thread, a question about sources that you seem to deliberately dodge: 'But where did they get a testable video of Ed Mitchell saying he had seen a UFO? I thought he always denied having a personal experience. '. Do you want to try and answer that? And if there ISN'T such a video clip, how would you assess the rationality of viewers who insist there WAS?
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  1013.  @kirbyjustine1  -- What evidence that you verified persuaded you about these astronaut-related stories?
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  1014. Fair question, and generously answered.
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  1015. What is 'it'?
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  1016. Ed Dwight gets an asteroid named after him -- NASA.
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  1017.  Chong Chong  -- STS-48 and its zig-zag UFO, just turned out to be nearby ice flakes hit by a thruster pulse. Live with it.
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  1018.  luxx_interior  == You quote me as calling them "'ice objects". Fake quote. I'll go 50:50 on tuition at a local community college class for you on "reading for comprehension". Deal?
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  1019.  @MrPatriickzz  -- "And how large is an ice flake? 2-3 miles? Never knew that." === Hardly surprising. Most of the stuff you =THINK= you 'know' about spaceflight is nonsense. Crewmen could judge such stuff was nearby and small because of the same two-eyed depth perception used by baseball outfielders.
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  1020. Even with her name clearly visible you misspelled it.
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  1021. "Secret dead cosmonauts' was a rumor in the 1960s but turned out to be fully mythical. Never actually happened. Who was the dude who fell out of space?
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  1022. Here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1023. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1024. May not have been real at all.
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  1025. Thoughtful comments, thanks. Real research [not internet googling] was effective in debunking all these stories decades ago. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1026. People who make up these kinds of stories of personal loss for undeserved sympathy are pretty pathetic in my book.
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  1027. more opinion https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.4814452/space-station-sabotage-claim-is-bogus-says-former-nasa-engineer-1.4812995
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  1028. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1029. "his voice was captured in much the same way as this one" - Yep, those Italian brothers and their Russian-speaking sister kept turning out new hoaxes for years.
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  1030. my ‘moon race’ talk for the Apollo-11 50th last year… http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1031. Help us out, plz. Why =NOT= a rocket?
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  1032.  @kristiansrensen1938  -- Show me.
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  1033.  @kristiansrensen1938  -- Always looking for reasons to change my mind. With practice it gets easier every year.
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  1034. Only when viewed from the non-sunlit portion of the surface.
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  1035. Naw, just laughed at is fair enough.
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  1036. Idiots also often misspell Judy's name.
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  1037. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  1038.  Deutsches Brot - German Bread  == Blockaded Japan would have starved, even without the health impacts of the collapsed medical system. And Japanese armies were under orders to shoot all prisoners and their interned families.
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  1039.  Hernando Malinche  Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  1040. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  1041.  @mariagalleriaxi8632  == Nobody else seems to have heard that nasty third-hand-hearsay order attributed to Yeager. No witnesses ever have been found. Dwight graduated on schedule with the rest of his class. NASA picked the top two rated pilots out of the 16 students. Dwight admits he didn't rate highly because of all the time he had to take off away from school giving public speeches for the White House. And if anything's been erased, maybe it's the awkward fact that he was 3" too short to safely fly the Apollo 'Lunar Module'. Is there any need for other reasons not to select him for the Apollo program?
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  1042.  @mariagalleriaxi8632  == "why did they treat him like a lost cause after the Kennedy assassination?" == I don't see how the assassination had anything to do with it. NASA had made its 1963 astronaut class selection two months earlier. The test pilot class Dwight was in had always been scheduled to end in December, when all the graduates received their next assignments in flight testing. The next NASA pilot astronaut class wasn't selected until 1966. The whole idea that Kennedy's death doomed Dwight's selection by NASA fails the simple test of chronological sequence.
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  1043.  @mariagalleriaxi8632  == "The lack of eyewitness reports stating that yeager, or any other of his colleagues, made racist remarks towards Dwight, is simply because no one would have been inclined to report such a thing." == Three of the astronauts in the NASA selection that year -- Dave Scott, Walt Cunningham, and Mike Collins - have explicitly stated that they never heard or heard of any racist remarks about Dwight. Yeager denied it too. So what's the next excuse?
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  1044.  @mariagalleriaxi8632 -- "The fact that he was 3 inches too short. Where did you get that information? Unless it was in the video and I happened to miss it. I even looked at his wikipedia page, but I see no mentions of it" == Of course you wouldn't hear about it in the major media coverage. He was 5'03" tall, an inch shorter than the AF pilot minimum, but he was given a pass due to his enthusiasm. The Apollo Lunar Module [where the pilots stand on the floor during powered descent and on-moon and ascent] has a forward viewport and roof-installed navigation optical instruments, and it was designed to accommodate crew between 5'06" and 6'02", with Pete Conrad at 5'06" the shortest-ever flown crewman. It should be obvious why the NY Times and other reports would leave out discussion of such an issue.
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  1045.  @mariagalleriaxi8632  Thanks for the conversation. Dwight inspired a follow-generation of black astronauts who fully joined into the triumphs and tragedies of space exploration. Worth all gratitude and honor from all earthmen.
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  1046. moon race in hindsight,,, http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1047. Here’s the amusing story about what they really spotted out the window on the way out to the moon: http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf No aliens.
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  1048. Yeah, when Europeans kill six million people, it's on purpose.
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  1049. -- Satellite reentries are documented events, not blind guesses. They seem to be the cause of some major 'UFO mothership" flaps all around the world in recent decades. When will the UFO buffs figure it out?
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  1050.  @Jan_Strzelecki  -- Tony's right, the Western left hated the US victory in the moon race and did everything they could to discredit its global implications. Details here: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1051. spot on.
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  1052.  @scottcampbell6922  -- In my experience, real paranoids don't have a sense of humor. So you're cleared. But we still did the Apollo missions exactly as advertised.
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  1053. Re Komarov's sacrifice. That's still in doubt. Had Komarov known that, and since his flight plan included a space linkup and transfer of two other cosmonauts to his ship for landing on Earth together , he would have been intentionally dooming them to death as well. Not likely. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1054. SF, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the process. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  1055. He might be. Where are any real witnesses to his alleged nasty comment? A guy says that another guy said that another guy said HE said such-and-such isn't persuasive in a court of law... or common sense, seems to me.
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  1056. There's no gentle way to say this. You are an idiot and people on the internet LIKE it that way. Here's what rocket launches have ALWAYS looked like at twilight, I'm sorry you never had a clue, but now you do. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1057. Throw away your meds, then.
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  1058. This: Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1059. How exactly did racism at NASA block Dwight's walking on the moon during Apollo?
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  1060. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1061. It was thought possible in the early days, but it's been thoroughly debunked for half a century, please catch up and avoid modern hoaxers. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1062. For the planet.
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  1063. What's impossible about the reentering satellite story?
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  1064. Did Neil tell your Dad about the UFO he had seen on the moon?
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  1065.  @rockymatrix8105  -- I've lived there forty five years, and you sure nailed the culture. Thanks! BTW, I do not believe the 'astronauts saw UFOs' stories.
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  1066. Spot on. Very perceptive. The suspicion falls on the kids' sister. All their other clams of receptions turned out to be bogus, too.
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  1067. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  1068.  @ethics3  -- The last bitter defenders of hoaxers and forgers are their first victims, who revert to 'ego defense' to deny to themselves they could have been such easy suckers. You fit that pattern like a glove. Grow up. Overview discussions.. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1069. It's a sad story, but the treasure maps are spurious. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1070. Why can't it be a Trident missile, do you think?
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  1071. " For some reason some Americans do not check pronouns of words in foreign languages." == We knew what you meant to say. No problem.
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  1072. Shouldn't his story also include the part about him not meeting the standard for height [minimum allowable was 5' 4" so one's feet could exert maximum force on cockpit foot pedals in emergencies], which early in his career the officers overlooked because of his enthusiasm and dedication to becoming a pilot? But the design specs for NASA spacesuits and for the Lunar Module [where the crew stood on the floor to fly it] was a minimum height of 5'6" [which Grissom and Conrad barely met]. Heartbreaking and trivial, perhaps, but not arbitrary. That still wouldn't prevent him from getting a space tourist flight next year when they begin, and I'd be happy to pledge money towards the ticket.
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  1073. -- Dwight on NPR, March 2020: " I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on."
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  1074. During his moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1075. What's your beef with NASA on this issue?
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  1076.  @dennismorris7573  -- After the Dec 20 flub of Boeing's capsule, that's an even better idea! Check out Sierra Nevada's "Dreamchaser" vehicle, now being developed.
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  1077. What lies? You mean it WASN'T a rocket?
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  1078.  @kevinstrade2752  == " Its called an open mind" == Sometimes it's only a hole in your head.
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  1079.  @kevinstrade2752  == [grin] Always open to verifiable contrary evidence. Astonish me.
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  1080. Can I buy your car since you won't be needing it? $50?
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  1081. "it must be left to imagination." -- Don't be so fatalistic. Real research [not internet googling] was effective in debunking all these stories decades ago. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1082. Which astronauts said they'd seen aliens on the moon? Some internet blogger CLAIMING an astronaut told him, doesn't count. Edgar Mitchell to UFO convention, at time 10:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVOyXOmvk “I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself .." Why don't you believe him?
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  1083. Lots of folks suspected that, at the time, but it turned out to be misinterpretations, rumors, and some outright hoaxes by the Italian kids. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1084. That was Komarov, whose flight was announced. THESE stories are bogus from the get-go.
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  1085.  @reanetsemoleleki8219  == The AF min height is 5'04", but he was nearly an inch shorter, and got a waiver on that based on his enthusiasm, he claims. The limit is based on physical force and range needed in pressing cockpit foot pedals. Flight doctors had noted a correlation in accident rate based on shorter pilots dying more frequently in mid-air flight control crises. The LM limits were based on the two pilots flying it standing up in front of a small window [looking out and DOWN as they descended to the moon's surface], using ceiling-mounted optical navigation devices to get back to the main ship. He could have used a stool [his lighter body weight made adding the device feasible] but if symbolism was the driver for his presence, how would the need for him [alone of all the astronauts] to carry a stool onto the spaceship looked, to the world public?
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  1086.  @misiaazoska  == "why would they make him believe that he had a chance?" == I don't think the White House handlers had a clue about the height issue. But it sure seems they gave him the impression that if he kept giving speeches, his class performance wouldn't be important, they'd order NASA to ;pick him anyway. I've done a full court press for any NASA astronaut selection board records from 1963 and established to my satisfaction they were destroyed in a hurricane flooded warehouse in 1978, but one factor NASA would have noticed [besides the height question] would have been how the White House severely interfered with his USAF training for cross-country speeches, and how likely those distractions would have doubled had he been picked as an astronaut trainee. . And Yeager had nothing to do with any of that -- his 'shun him' order remains uncorroborated third-hand half-century-old hearsay.
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  1087. Mid-20121, and there's still no sign of a SINGLE first-hand or second-hand witness to the alleged Yeager command to test pilot class students to 'shun' Dwight. Sounds more and more like a half-century old third-hand hearsay garble.
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  1088. Here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1089. Yep. And here is the complete data set showing that persistent dropout that has been claimed by the ignorant to be a giant elongated UFO. http://www.planetary.org/explore/resource-library/data/phobos-2-vsk-data.html
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  1090. Your curse only works if you use your real name instead of a make-believe jerk-off pretend-name.
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  1091.  @kingmiura8138  -- You've done a LOT of good reading, and not one whit of sensible evaluation. All you're doing here is looking foolishly gullible. For history's sake, and your own, please try harder.
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  1092.  @kingmiura8138 == [grin] Lots of people say that, it doesn't bother me, nobody has actually disputed any of my factual material, they just don't like it. The last few years or so have seen a few new books about Gagarin with 'new revelations' usually just made up by the authors, to enhance sales.
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  1093.  @kingmiura8138  "Yuri's friend Marikov was sent on a suicide mission." -- You clearly meant to type 'Komarov' but got confused. The suicide mission story is bullshit from Western authors trying to sell books to gullible nincompoops who adore feeling fake-smart by grasping 'secret stuff' that the rest of the world supposedly is ignorant of. The last bitter defenders of hoaxers and forgers are their first victims, who revert to 'ego defense' to deny to themselves they could have been such easy suckers. You fit that pattern like a glove. Grow up.
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  1094.  @kingmiura8138  -- I wrote a whole book on the theme: "Uncovering Soviet Disasters'. We certainly have little disagreement on Soviet policies of lies and deceit. Focus. Please point to a single lie I've made on this thread.
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  1095.  @kingmiura8138  == "Yuri's friend Marikov was sent on a suicide mission" == Talking about failing the test -- you can't even get the name of the dead cosmonaut correct. It was Komarov. And the 'suicide mission' narrative was fake, by a British author looking for sensationalism. Siddiqi's new report on Soyuz-1 proves it.
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  1096. He was entertained.
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  1097. Because it wasn't. Scary how easy kids today can be duped by internet resurrection of long-debunked hoaxes.
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  1098. We don't need more reasons to make fun of UFOologists like you. You provide enough in your own words.
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  1099. What's wrong with the rocket reentry explanation?
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  1100. Here are some examples of how pilots, in properly trying to react to immediate hazards, can misinterpret an anomalous visual stimulus: https://web.archive.org/web/20030502043109/http:/www.zipworld.com.au/~psmith/pilot-ufos.html
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  1101. This characteristic of pilot interpretive biases was noticed almost a century ago, soon after night flying for air mail became widespread. 1936 REPORT ON WHY PILOTS ARE POOR OBSERVERS OF METEORS http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1936PA.....44...45L
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  1102. Well-deserved honor from the new 'US Space Command" == https://static.dvidshub.net/media/pubs/pdf_55597.pdf
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  1103. Based on a single uncorroborated third-hand rumor? Versus Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 ... and Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58
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  1104.  @pbailey68  == " ed freely talks about all the horrible things chuck said to him to get him to quit. " == Yeager wasn't their den mother, as it's been explained to me he tested every student's commitment to the very dangerous career. Other black pilots who flew with him didn't feel anything particularly racially-motivated, here's an excerpt from one of them: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  1105.  @pbailey68  == "what he said last week. " == Where was that. Here's what he wrote a few months ago: Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58
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  1106.  @pbailey68  -- The big historical dispute is the claim Yeager instructed the other students to shun Dwight, isolate him, so he'd quit in six months. Funny thing is, nobody's been able to find a single first-hand or second-hand witness to the claimed comment in fifty years.
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  1107. NASA passed on considering him for the 1963 astronaut class, can you imagine any non-racist reasons they may have done that? Class standing? Demonstrated study skills? Attitude to a pilot's responsibilities on a spaceship? Too short to see out the Lunar Module window?
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  1108. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  1109. ​ @litestuffllc7249  = "The so called debunkers relied on soviet archives, hardly a reliable source of information. " == Now I see the basis for your innocent errors, you live in world of made-up fantasy full of delusional non-facts designed to make you feel smarter. The real researchers relied on far broader sources, such as personal contacts with cosmonauts and top officials, on original documentation including diaries of managers, on declassified Western intelligence agency reports, all on a foundation of facility with Russian language and of intimate knowledge of 'rocket science' and the constraints and possibilities it affords. Resources you can't even imagine. But you seem enthusiastic enough and there's REAL research that need help ... want to learn?
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  1110.  @litestuffllc7249  -- Here's how we started: In the 1970s and 1980s, our small world-wide pre-internet sleuthing fraternity had enormous fun with these investigations, which required diligence, luck, grit, and patience, as well as some Russian language facility. And as I keep saying, the 'Golden Age of Russian Space Secret Sleuthing" is NOT over by any means. It remains a 'target-rich environment'. And new volunteers are always welcome as new lines of inquiry are uncovered. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  1111.  @iCore7Gaming  == How does this new event look different from satellite reentries throughout the Space Age?
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  1112.  @alanwilds721  -- Is that interview online anywhere?
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  1113. overview of that race..... moon race http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1114.  @rockymatrix8105  - wow, who was that?
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  1115. Any chance you can share a sketch you made of what the formation looked like to the naked eye? So much more detailed than videocams.
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  1116. "On the other hand, we do have the final words of cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov, who died when his faulty capsule re-entered. " == That was a long-standing rumor based on a guy who served at an NSA [not CIA] listening post in Turkey, 'Winslow Peck'. It was marginally plausible until very recently. Recent new Moscow-source verified documents have proven that the ‘Komarov self-sacrifice’ story is bogus, invented by a British author a few years ago to sell books. Komarov did not expect to die, and still go – it’s a made-up myth. Here’ the proof: https://www.amazon.com/Soyuz-1-Death-Vladimir-Komarov-ebook/dp/B08777Y32S/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=asif+siddiqi&qid=1594740942&sr=8-4 I’ve waited for more than half a century to read this report, and often despaired that, as memories and records rotted away, the secrets would be lost to history while the misleading myths and misrepresentations thrived across the internet. But a dogged, insightful researcher has found and properly exploited the critical records and recollections, and now has produced the long-awaited consummate authoritative report. That he also was once gracious enough in another book to credit a book of mine for sparking his original fascination with the historical specialization of ‘sleuthing Soviet space secrets’ [still a target-rich environment] is awesomely rewarding, personally. A dream come true – so let THIS report in turn serve as a shining example to ignite flames of dogged curiosity in a new generation of ‘space sleuths.’ The future of spaceflight deserves the truth about the past, and the past has taught us that we never should wholly depend on official voices to provide completely authentic narratives of past triumphs and tragedies. Without such experience-derived wisdom those who follow us may not be adequately equipped to measure up to the judgment needed to match the cosmic choices and challenges of future endeavors. Digging out these secrets and separating them from the popular but misdirecting fantasies and legends is not mere idle curiosity, it is the key to enabling the spaceflight future we all dream of. Help lay such a firm foundation, and even if you never leave the ground yourself, you will strengthen the launching pad of those that will. One of the most shocking revelations in the book is that the flaw in the parachute system was probably due to fabrication and installation errors in the space craft that had been duplicated in the second vehicle, Soyuz-2, that was to dock to Soyuz-1. Had the multiple unrelated failures on Soyuz-1 =NOT= caused the cancellation of Soyuz-2, it would have been launched, and BOTH crews on landing would have died. Imagine the horror of the remaining craft in orbit, with Bykovsky alone, AFTER the first had crashed, as the team had at least 24 hours to imagine what they might do to avoid the same fate -- and they couldn't.
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  1117. The 'Russian female' was the radio kids' sister, it was a hoax, all historians now agree, please catch up.
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  1118.  @firstlast9813  ==In my analysis, Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting JFK policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying. Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision.
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  1119.  @firstlast9813  -- He had an awesomely creative career as an artist, how is that 'broken'? Like 99% of applicants, he didn't get selected as an astronaut, was everybody else 'rejected'? He admitted his school performance was just 'average' but insisted he deserved selection for the inspirational propaganda value.
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  1120.  @firstlast9813 -- He said this himself. He blamed his failure on Yeager for allowing him to leave the base on weekends, on granting his request to go on the lecture ours arranged by the White House, knowing it would depress his school performance. He also did e4ntion the concerns over his below-allowable-minimum pilot height.
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  1121.  @firstlast9813  -- YOU didn't miss it, the people controlling the media narrative deliberately left it out. Everybody's got agendas, from all directions -- there ought to be a better way with internet search engines to find the what-AREN'T-they-telling-me about any controversial target. I dunno how to implement that.
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  1122. No. It was recorded in the back room by their sister.
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  1123. orbital s/c never 'bounce' off the atmosphere, that was a newspaper theme for reader excitement.
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  1124. Who?
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  1125. OK, who exactly has provided verifiable 'leaks' that NASA has concealed evidence of UFO encounters by astronauts in space? Not anonymous hall-whispers or nameless bloggers -- people who really were there, and know from personal experience?
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  1126. You got your Pentagon videos. So you can now concede the 'space UFO stories' are spurious? Yes?
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  1127. Evidence?
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  1128. 2009, that was a missile too, you do realize?
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  1129.  @PApro  == " so the soviets say." == Uh, no. So the world's spaceflight historians say, after decades of investigation. Do you pick and choose what you 'believe' in order to make you feel smart?
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  1130.  @PApro  == What the Soviet government desired isn't the issue. The origin of the widespread rumors could be tracked back to actual secret accidents on the ground [like Bondarenko's horrible death in the oxygen chamber], for example, or just over-eager misinterpretations of many mysterious events, or [as in the case of the Italian brothers] deliberate hoaxes. A lot of people with a lot more resources than you did dig deeply and widely trying to follow all the clues. You might profit by at least learning how hard and smart they worked before dismissing them as foolish dupes of Commie propagandists.
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  1131.  @PApro  "where as you believe what other people tell you to believe." == Nothing you could say better proves the world of ego-boosting self-delusion you have assembled. GENUINE research needs people with honest curiosity and it's a lot more fun, why not try it for a change?
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  1132.  @PApro  == It's not me telling you, it's the consensus of the world's leading spaceflight historians, plus cosmonauts, astronauts, military veterans from both sides -- and you're relying on some anonymous internet posters who make money off of attracting gullible kiddies to 'hit' their links? .
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  1133.  @PApro  == "There are a number of other cases that have yet to be confirmed one way or the other." == For example? You do realize the Italian brothers who were picking up cosmonaut signals in the 1960s were hoaxing it, right?
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  1134.  @PApro  "You just have a boxed in closed mind." == Maybe your mind is so open, your brain has fallen out? [wink] How about some verifiable evidence for the assertions you've made so confidently? Meanwhile, you might enjoy this line of Soviet space photo forgery exposure: http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  1135. Space station cameras often capture unearthly views, literally, so the more people who monitor the feeds and log the date/time of particular puzzles, the better. I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent, knowledgeable, rational people who are fascinated by UFO stories and wonder what variety of things causes them, particularly on space missions. But these folks rarely frequent mind-junk websites by guys like Streetcrap, Tird-Face-of-Moon, Insecure-Teen13, and others, which seem to be just fishing for gullible nitwits who apparently use the internet for make-believe 'secrets', make-believe 'wokeness', make-believe sex, because real science, real logic, and real personal relationships are too difficult. In the real world [and OFF of it], live space video feeds are regularly cut off as relay satellites move out of line-of-sight. And the idea that there's a NASA dweeb with a finger on a 'kill switch' who ALWAYS hits it too late is just laughable. The NASA Mission Control team is always 'leaning forward' to detect external visual anomalies as clues to potential problems, even potential threats to the mission and the crew, that the whole team needs to focus on, so as to diagnose and determine the level of actual danger -- putting the lid on such indicators, hiding them, would be irresponsible, it could kill people. The official answer that there are many different things that cause such images is entirely correct, but identifying which cause was behind any one particular anomaly requires basic context information such as date/time/location and crew comments, and the internet's mind-junk industry carefully withholds such information, that would reasonably be needed to verify or explain one specific image. This is particularly important for known promoters of images which past practice has shown can be fabrications or misrepresentations of much older observations. By all means, watch for weird-looking scenes, log the time as accurately as possible, and discuss them on any forum you trust. Be cautious about the real actors out there who actively work to mislead you.
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  1136. David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  1137.  @richardbello5732  -- Not me. Are you violating their speech code?
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  1138.  @omegaPhix  -- The pattern of bright lights and any subtle shapes possibly detectable behind them.
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  1139. What's impossible about the reentering satellite story?
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  1140. It's a sad story, but the treasure maps are spurious. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1141. Where's his factual errors? Dazzle us!
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  1142.  @bad71hd  == ".. any one of you can tune into w H.A.M.M RADIO. " == That would be super-cool, for sure. WHO has ever done it? What frequency should we monitor?
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  1143.  @bad71hd  -- Excellent! Has anyone else ever picked these up? Is there any periodicity or are they random? Did you check with ARRL SWLs to seek their impressions? Or are you the only one who's ever noticed these?
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  1144.  @bad71hd  == "Scientists have been getting readings from the 'disc' in saturns rings since the 1920's, " == Yeah, sure. Get a grip, take a deep breath, the UFO hucksters have just been making this silly stuff up for years [such signals would have been detectable in a dozen different countries -- there are no records of them, anywhere]. They've had contempt for the intelligence of their target audience, with justified confidence that such an attitude would be widely confirmed. It may hurt your feelings [and self-image] to realize how easily you were scammed, but it's part of growing up. Your real friends are those who will tell you truths you =DON'T= want to hear, but have to.
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  1145.  @bad71hd  -- Your Nobel Prize for Physics is in the mail. Watch for it.
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  1146. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  1147. Sad you're so easily duped.
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  1148. @Friday Goood -- Do you want to use your head and look at the evidence this story is bogus?
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  1149. It's a satellite reentry, predicted and pre-warned. Get a grip.
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  1150. [sigh] You've been duped by yet another internet hoax, when are you going to grow up? The hoaxers will keep lying to eager-believer nincompoops because you allow them to get away with it.
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  1151. Instead of being in-your-face my better strategy should have been to link to reports which debunked these stories. With your permission I can do that now, if you'd like.
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  1152. Any questions?
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  1153. Hello?
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  1154. Faked by the Italians, get a clue.
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  1155. What grade are you in?
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  1156.  @ronnybe7994  [sigh]
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  1157. That's what it looks like to the crew and to Mission Control. Are there any videos that seem particularly unexplainable to you? Here's one famous example. I served in Mission Control 20+ years [including for sts-48], and for a debate with Steven Greer at Purdue in 1999, prepared a presentation on this weird video with the overwhelming evidence that it shows ice hit by thruster plumes. I also debated it with Don Ecker on Larry King's CNN show. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  1158.  @kamikazeboats1122  == It's usually stuff shed by the spacecraft the camera and crew was on. Random 'space debris' criss-crosses other orbits at enormous speed, it would flash by in milliseconds.
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  1159. Why should he say that? That's all internet fairy tales.
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  1160. Nitwits Adore Space Aliens, that's not NASA. They'd be the first to announce if they did.
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  1161. You're not being clear, please reword.
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  1162. ivanez, thoughtful comments, thanks. Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1163.  @basedhumanofficial  -- I'm not following you. Do we have any disagreements over facts?
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  1164. Where are you?
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  1165. Why not, exactly? Look like a typical reentry fireball swarm to me.
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  1166. Right. And Khrushchev's son denounced the story rather than endorsed it. The narrator lied -- not the first time.
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  1167. I don't believe it. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1168. Confirmed, by your ouija board? What's wrong with the rocket reentry explanation?
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  1169.  @p1ayboy106  -- Hello?
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  1170.  @p1ayboy106  == @P1AYBOY XXX - ""spaceX said it’s not from their rocket"" == Where exactly did a SpaceX official say that? I'd like to learn that. A second tank has also been found, they both look exactly like the COPV tanks installed on the second stage and they both were recovered right long the predicted final ground track of the object. Let's learn the truth about this together, thanks for offering help, it is always appreciated.
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  1171. There were such stories since about 1960. Often were tall tales to impress girlfriends and newbies.
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  1172. The prank was by the brothers themselves, and THEIR Russian-speaking sister.
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  1173. Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  1174. ​ @zeryabkhan9087  -- You are a blessing to us all for your kind and clear reply. We are all fine with that belief. But our own prophets warned us to beware of false prophecies and signs, which could distract, or could discredit sincere believers who innocently pass them on. This ONE event had no requirement for divine causation, it was a feature of the electronic system the astronauts were using. To suggest otherwise is to accidentally invite and encourage cruel ridicule from non-believers who seek to mock any and all believers. .
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  1175.  @zeryabkhan9087  == "And even if it was ship to ship interference, why hasn't Nasa figured it out yet? " == Thanks for asking. NASA figured it out long, long ago, these websites just lie about it to their viewers. They make money by running commercial messages from companies who prefer viewers who are gullible and will believe anything they see on the computer screen. Be careful!
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  1176. Could you make and share a sketch of the details you saw by naked eye, please?
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  1177. Did he mention he was several inches too short to see over the pilot's window in the Lunar Module?
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  1178. Well, as Forrest Gump said, 'Stupid is as stupid does'. People who think a scrap of insulation or a loose bolt or an ice chip are actually cleverly camouflaged alien spacecraft don't seem to me to have elevators going all the way to the top, either.
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  1179.  @5pctLowBattery  -- Isn't this video about Ed Dwight's experience in 1963?
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  1180. Plenty of reliable research has dispelled the wonders and doubts -- no secret space fatalities, and Gagarin was first in space.
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  1181. " his racism tarnished all of his accomplishments and breaks my heart that he invoked "The Wrong Stuff" that prevented an exemplary human being like Ed Dwight from making a significant contribution to society." == This is a serious accusation and the historical support for it is mighty shaky. Here's some VERIFIABLE testimony with a starkly different view: Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58 Here's a Yeager profile by a black pilot who flew with him: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  1182. Daniel, find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  1183. The Smithsonian special 'Black in Space" let him repeat is story but concluded, according to Smithsonian curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Ed Dwight’s career. And historians have searched for evidence and haven’t found it.” No primary or secondary witness to the hearsay report has ever been found.
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  1184. True story.
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  1185. Why would you believe a word of it?
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  1186. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1187. No, I didn't catch that. And no, my pet rock doesn't talk to me either.
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  1188. Lots of times -- just never on cosmonaut flight fatalities.
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  1189. Foreign space historians also say she didn't exist. The Italian kids were faking, it was their own sister mumbling in Russian.
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  1190. Maybe if you knew what rockets looked like, you won't get so hysterical. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf The Trident was two years earlier.... MISSILE FREAK-OUT IN CALIFORNIA [NOV 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf Nov 07, 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/151107-cali_slbm_witness_analysis.pdf
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  1191. Re Komarov's sacrifice. That's still in doubt. Had Komarov known that, and since his flight plan included a space linkup and transfer of two other cosmonauts to his ship for landing on Earth together , he would have been intentionally dooming them to death as well. Not likely. @t
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  1192. ?? NASA = Nitwits Adore Space Aliens, I that YOU?
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  1193. When did CNN mention NASA?
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  1194. Why are you so gullible to long-debunked hoaxes?
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  1195. Also could have been an out-and-out forgery. Air-to-ground comm from a thousand miles away seems pretty unlikely.
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  1196.  @starmariejackson3747  == What's really new about it?
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  1197. Why not this rocket? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1198. Or the recording could be a total hoax, revived by unscrupulous youtube posters to dupe new generations of victims.
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  1199. Will you do any fact-checking first?
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  1200. Scariest of all is the possibility you are excessively gullible to internet scams. These Soviet-era rumors were debunked decades ago, modern internet scammers just revive them for a new generation of victim. Want evidence?
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  1201. The Italian kids were known hoaxers, please catch up.
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  1202.  @elFulberto  -- VERY well-informed and clear explanation. ! www.jamesoberg.com
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  1203. -- What did NASA or any of its employees have to do with this? He never was there.
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  1204.  @alizaidi8846  -- Not allowed? By NASA? Dwight admitted he wasn't at the top of his class, but he said he had a good excuse [too much time traveling for White House organized speeches] and that being a top test pilot wasn't really important anyway since the space capsules were all remote-controlled from Houston. Do you believe that?
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  1205.  @alizaidi8846  -- That might or might not be true, but rather than just assume it's true in order to bolster your own views, how about doing some historical research to determine the facts rather than the modern political spin on this dramatic episode? Why do you imagine NASA didn't pick him out of the two hundred serious contenders for astronaut election?
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  1206. Other countries have rockets too, jeez loo-weeez.
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  1207. You're a loser, again.
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  1208.  Scott Johnstone  -- So I've read all over the Internet. Any of those stories seem remotely plausible to you?
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  1209.  Scott Johnstone  -- Exactly who, please? How can somebody verify these claims?
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  1210.  Scott Johnstone  --So I'm guessing you would be astonished to learn what McDivitt and Borman themselves said about what the highly imaginative UFO websites claim they said? When sincere, enthusiastic folks like you get suckered by internet bunk-mongers, somebody needs to offer them alternatives closer to verifiable reality. Where have you ever seen a debunking of MY reports? Instead, the UFO hucksters just try to scare people away from even reading them, by calling me names.
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  1211. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1212. I watched these kinds of scenes live for years, in Mission Control, and in replay, and on youtube -- and came to realize how unearthly they were in terms of traditional visual cues that are valid on Earth under normal earth conditions, but no longer apply -- and even are misleading in zero-G bright-sun invisible-shadow vacuum with vehicles spewing and burping fluids at random intervals and directions. Nobody starts off knowing this. Those who close their eyes and minds to the visual consequences of the different environment will remain blind to it. Intelligent people can indeed be baffled by, and seriously misinterpret, these scenes. When they are motivated to examine their subconscious instinctive and learned perceptual methods compared to the first new environment of human perception in history, they should check out the advice of people who have already done it. Otherwise their visual cortex will remain earthbound and their judgments on the nature of these videos will be astronomically erroneous. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  1213. Hello?
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  1214. There's no longer ANY question among historians and investigative journalist. The Italian kids faked it, and modern internet hucksters revive the fakes for a new generation of credulous halfwits. Live with it.
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  1215. "join the airforce or NASA after college," -- I did both, it was AWESOME. Don't be a stranger.
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  1216. The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were incorrect long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1217.  @ethics3  -- Why should we trust that link?
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  1218.  @MrGrace  -- My website is hosted on a friend's computer which is offline, put the URL into the wayback machine and an archived copy will come up.
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  1219.  @iminfinite3412  -- I'll take that bet, what are your offered terms?
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  1220.  @iminfinite3412  == " They have no right to hide information" -- The UFO hucksters who enjoy camming gullible nitwits with fake UFO stories hide LOTS of information from their target audiences, is that OK with you, so you can pretend you're 'woke'?
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  1221.  @xxx.118  == Uh, WTF is "Puerto Rico's satellite"???
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  1222.  @xxx.118  == Thanks, I'll check it out.
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  1223.  @xxx.118  -- The link didn't mention a Puerto Rico satellite, did you mean to say ' the Arecibo radio telescope'?
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  1224.  @xxx.118  -- I dunno what to make about crop circles, I'm sticking to subjects I have profound person experience with, such as spaceflight operations. And the internet UFO stories in that area are pretty lame.
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  1225.  @xxx.118  == I know the feeling, the videos all merge into each other. I've tried to keep a rough log of each, with key words to allow me to return. My current sleuthing passion involves investigations of world-wide 'rocket spotting' experiences. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement I've been collecting public views of worldwide rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions by imprudently relying on time-tested but obsolete earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  1226. Why can't it just be a Trident missile?
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  1227. Italian accent. Turned out to be the sister of the brothers.
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  1228. "Edgar Mitchell said that he 03:11 saw something out there too right you're 03:13 Mitchell did " Total bullshit. Edgar Mitchell to UFO convention, at time 10:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFVOyXOmvk “I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself …"
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  1229. Regarding how witnesses grossly misunderstand rocket plumes in the sky. I’m drafting a major new section on my home page on ‘rocket spotting’ that puts two dozen of my recent launch/entry reports with many older reports and articles into a logical sequence, and am posting it piecemeal here for comments and suggestions. Please feel free to forward this to any and all who might find it interesting, amusing, or even usefully informative. And suggest related links from other writers on this theme. See draft here http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1216782/pg1
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  1230. What's your problem? There were a hundred videos of THIS launch posted on Facebook.
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  1231. No question these new rockets look bizarre. Does this report help? [page 9 shows the advance warning notice] Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1232. Black astronauts have died alongside their white colleagues on space flights, aboard Challenger and Columbia. Don't dishonor their memories, please.
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  1233. Yes, it skims the upper layers while being slowed down, in a shallow descent, and you're right, most folks expect it to be 'falling' straight downwards. By then the fireball phase has ended.
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  1234. The fireball phase is about 40 or 50 miles up, still going very fast and it can cross entire sky in a minute or two. Eyewitness estimates of 'over my house' and lower than airliners are all wild guesses. The Hawaii reentry last October 24 [google it] had its altitude precisely measured by triangulation at 40 miles [one observer saw it cross in front of Polaris, another observer a hundred miles north saw it directly overhead, do the trig]. .
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  1235. Interesting. Where is that reported?
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  1236. What should there be?
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  1237. Thanks for your service. Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1238. Bunk.
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  1239. Thank you. Can you imagine the contempt some of these deceptive programs must have for the intelligence of their target audience?
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  1240.  @unknownstalker2624  -- I know that channel! I totally agree!
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  1241.  @unknownstalker2624  - You might enjoy this report of mine! Soviet UFO wave! Ground observations of Soviet FOBS warhead tests in 1967: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/soviet_1967_wave.pdf
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  1242. You're mistaken.
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  1243.  @grandcalifornia8410  == Any 'secret agreements' would have to be binding on civilians, non-US citizens, and private persons who purchased space tourist tickets. Any government with such power, wouldn't need to use it. It's just an imaginary gimmick to explain testimony and evidence contrary to what you like to believe because it makes you feel smarter. Here's some reports I've done on the 'secret dead cosmonaut' myth... Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1244. Lots of rumors, all turned out to be spurious.
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  1245.  @agnesbutterbun - OK. Maybe I spoke too soon. One 'secret cosmonaut death' in the pre-Gagarin period WAS later confirmed, just not on any space mission. http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1246. The head of the space center is a Hispanic woman, so get a clue.
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  1247. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1248. No. It was a hoax by the brothers for fame, fortune, and hot dates from Italian starlets. Suspected from the beginning, confirmed decades ago, resurrected in the youtube age by cynical exploiters of gullible nincompoops. Want the evidence that Joe Scott is hiding from you?
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  1249. Who are we talking about, specifically, as the 'blockers'? Was NASA involved at all?
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  1250. proven hoax aimed at gullible simpletons, sorry!
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  1251. JD, actually, NASA releases much higher-res photos and excellent videos of stuff like this. The UFO salesmen withhold the good stuff that would allow their target audience to have a more reality-based assessment of the subject, because they realize their victims will allow them to get away with it. You seem to have.
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  1252. Rocket, get a clue.
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  1253. Did you HEAR anything?
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  1254.  @pamelapugh8846  -- Thank for the kind reply. These are an awesome new apparition of the Space Age. I've posted my report on the DISCUSSION folder of your youtube home page, for your entertainment.
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  1255. I do.
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  1256. I believe you are mistaken.
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  1257. On the other hand, the transmission might be a complete hoax, exposed decades ago.
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  1258. The Armstrong story is totally bogus, want the evidence?
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  1259.  @garrybaldy327  -- That's always possible, so paying sharper attention to standards of evidence is still needed to filter out the noise and locate/identify any true signals. Watch the skies.
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  1260. These moon-UFO fairy tales are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at helplessly gullible nitwits. Here's a lecture on these bogus tales that I delivered at Space Center Houston for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations last year. http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1261. YOU don't even have the friggin' QUESTIONS.
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  1262. Amen, Eric. Good.
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  1263. The Soviets did it to anybody they wanted forgotten.
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  1264. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1265. That was the gossip at the time from people who liked to pretend they were 'in the know'. In hindsight ALL those stories were bogus. Want details?
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  1266.  @Blanca12369  == "He was in a position to have access to state of the art technology." == So did I. Those stories were widespread based on ambiguous int4rcepts and gossip, and were plausible. Turned out, with more insights and resources, they proved untrue. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1267. -- You've fallen for decades-ago-debunked hoaxes, aimed at gullible kids. When you're ready to face the fact you made a major misjudgment, there's help out there to set you straight.
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  1268. Precisely. Good for you.
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  1269. So for so many other witnesses, why does the satellite reentry explanation fail? Looks like the fairly typical reentering satellite fragment fireball swarms that have been seen since the dawn of the Space Age. I'm always curious about the reasoning behind opinions different from my own, it's helped me see more clearly [and change my mind] all my life
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  1270. There WERE a lot of suspicions but they all turned out to be baseless.
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  1271.  @elta6241  -- Fair question. Me and my associates did extensive investigation, based on professional familiarity with spaceflight technology, the Russian language, Soviet culture, post-Soviet memoirs and interviews [and cemetery headstones] and diaries of top officials and cosmonauts, and published our results for critiques. It was immensely fun. There's a book about our efforts: http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  1272. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  1273. Sad, if he did. In half a century, nobody's found a first-hand or second-hand witness to the comment in the version that was relayed to Dwight through several anonymous retellings. Third-hand hearsay without any corroboration has no place in academia, jurisprudence, or journalism, but it seems to flourish on the Internet. What am I missing?
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  1274.  @djh2633  -- So what do YOU think these folks were seeing, if not the Falcon-Heavy trans-Mars burn? FH [falcon heavy] escape burn to Mars Feb 06, 2018 observed from SW USA http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/180206_fh_s2_burn3_d2.pdf
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  1275. Spot on.
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  1276. Good advice. In this case, plenty of evidence did survive. The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were incorrect long ago, possibly a deliberate hoax. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1277. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  1278.  @colecoal1365  = Ditto what bloody said. It's a satellite reentry, predicted and pre-warned. Get a grip.
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  1279.  Mudkip909  == Hitting the atmosphere caused it to break up and burn, yes. Very high deceleration crushed and broke it, and super-compression of air on the leading edge of the debris tore air molecules apart that when recombining, glowed [not really 'fire' but looked like it].
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  1280. Please show some respect and at least SPELL THEIR NAMES CORRECTLY.
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  1281.  @neilmacleod5371  -- Spell them right next time, no excuses. BTW, Huntsville as the von Braun team home was often deliberately misspelled without the 'T' [grin].
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  1282. Did some astronaut abandon your mother before you were born, or something?
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  1283. La Paz said the UFO nutters just made that up.
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  1284. It's even sadder seeing so many gullible nincompoops falling for a half-century-old hoax.
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  1285. He's a hero because he was first. These earlier flight claims were hoaxes by the Italian kids. Want to see the evidence?
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  1286. How soon after the tether broke do you think the swarm showed up? Seconds? Minutes? hours? Longer?
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  1287. @makesnosense -- The astronauts did spacewalk training in a big pool, but these views are from the external cameras in the shuttle cargo bay. That's what stuff in space really looks like.
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  1288.  @MrPatriickzz  -- Seen the new vids, intriguing for sure. Well worth examining. I've only got enough time for cases involving my professional experience, spaceflight, but if [as it seems] you refuse to accept my proposed prosaic explanations for those famous events, why bother with others of your choosing? If these newest cases really are [at LAST] the ultimate proof, why still cling to all the old cases any more -- just concede a lot of them were misinterpretations, imaginations, and outright media fabrications, and focus on the new and as-yet unexplained ones? How would that hurt your case?
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  1289.  @shawnm5860 -- Where is this report not cler? The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  1290. @RalphNader -- Can you at least concede the FACT that the swarm sequence occurred FOUR DAYS after the tether broke away? NOT right after, as a consequence of the break?
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  1291. @RalphNader -- "Ice flakes aren't miles wide, " -- Wouldn't something that wide be as big and bright in the sky as the full moon, moving cross regions where millions of people lived? Have you ever found single ground witness?
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  1292.  @spacecatboy2962  -- But a Russian invented Lunar Orbit Rendezvous. Then they had him shot.
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  1293.  @spacecatboy2962  -- A Russian engineer born in 1897 later using the name 'Yuri Kondratyuk'first developed the math that showed sending a small scout ship down to the moon while leaving the return ship in lunar orbit made more sense than direct flight. He had kept his real identity [Aleksandr Shargey] secret from the Bolsheviks because of his anti-communist origins. He was drafted in WW2 and either security forces discovered who he really was, or the Nazis shot him, but he wound up dead like so many others.
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  1294. Which of the stories about astronauts seeing aliens in space do you find convincing?
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  1295. Here's my research results -- any questions? www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  1296. How are you so sure? Getting coded messages from your tooth fillings and from bowls of alphabet soup?
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  1297. Where did the datum on the supposed location come from? All the declassified released versions deleted that particular geographic information?
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  1298. ??
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  1299.  @glenncater1  -- Why should I go there? What do you claim it proves?
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  1300. The recordings were hoaxed, live with it.
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  1301. I can tell you all the real evidence is that it WAS the rocket: And I can SHOW you: Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1302.  @jasonpeters9865  -- I can always use help. What am I not seeing about the Apollo-11 'UFO narrative' that has so impressed you?
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  1303.  @jasonpeters9865  == Do you get pleasure out of baselessly accusing national heroes of being liars? If you had ANY evidence, you ought to show it.
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  1304. [facepalm]
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  1305. Nyet. Never happened, it was an old hoax, long ago debunked, resurrected by internet hoaxers to sucker a new generation of gullible nitwits.
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  1306. When did THAT happen? In your dreams?
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  1307. Why not this rocket? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1308. This is a fake-news post.
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  1309. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Norway_Spiral_--_15_FAQS_final.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/KYSS-12.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/tomsk_spiral_ufo_2006.pdf
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  1310. [facepalm]
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  1311.  @RTJ-xs3ur  == "Feeble and meaningless!" -- Your brain? True!!
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  1312. Amen.
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  1313. You are impressively well informed. The fatality toll is still unknown and could range from a few people, to hundreds.
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  1314. Darrell found gold from TV program advertisers seeking an audience of gullible simpletons who will fall for ANYTHING they see on screen.
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  1315. ...and totally bogus [I hope you're not disappointed].
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  1316. Good selection and overview, but you have the wrong crew aboard Soyuz-11 [but the correct crew photo]. Keep practicing.
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  1317. Did you =HEAR= anything during or after?
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  1318. 6 AM wasn't the reentry [it was at 9 PM] , instead maybe a starlink train. Check satellite schedules [you can enter past dates] for your location at heavens-above
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  1319. Can you imagine the contempt some of these deceptive programs must have for the intelligence of their target audience?
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  1320. Here's the paper he and I wrote on this subject for 'Scientific American': http://www.jamesoberg.com/00mar-SciAm-bus_between_planets.PDF
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  1321. This story is still bogus.
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  1322. When did THAT ever happen? THESE signals were =ONLY= reported by the Italian kids.
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  1323. Probably true, but which side of the argument do you suggest is stupid; rocket or UFO?
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  1324. Usually also rockets, like the spiral in Norway in 2009.
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  1325. No question it was an ordeal on him, but he was as much [or more] a victim of cynical White House electioneering manipulation as of non-existent ''astronaut racism'' [as Wikipedia and contemporary political exploiters called it].
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  1326. I'll take your bet.
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  1327.  @4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt  -- YOU show us where.
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  1328.  @helikos1  == Why dos ANYBODY claim it =WAS= cut?
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  1329. NASA didn't pick him for the 1963 astronaut class. Might there have been any non-racial reasons?
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  1330. 20 and 40, you mean.
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  1331.  @sydneyleggett6276  -- IIRC the Soviets deliberately chose the ham-accessible bands to allow people worldwide to hear the signals to confirm the satellite was real.
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  1332. Use your brain next time.
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  1333. Your victimhood to the old hoax is heartbreaking.
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  1334. Sadly, Cooper was well along into Parkinson's by then, a terrible malady often accompanied by delusions and false memories. The guy was a true hero and earned his adulation, and he deserved his late-in-life privacy -- but the con men and exploiters circled like vultures to make money off his weakened mind and his desperate loneliness. Shameful.
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  1335. I've talked with witnesses [reps of the US payload customer] and the villages probably WERE evacuated ahead of time, mostly. But still a mystery.
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  1336. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1337. What's wrong with the rocket reentry explanation?
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  1338. Re Dwight, where in the NASA selection process do you think unfair criteria were applied? Class standing? Physical condition? Attitude? In my analysis as a space program veteran and spaceflight historian, Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting JFK policies, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying [his final class standing was 8th out of 16]. Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. The AF put him on their list of nominees for the 1963 selection but after consideration NASA did not even invite him to Houston for final interviews [only the top 2 of his ARPS class were finally selected]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision. In addition to his class standing, NASA’s decision may also have been based on physical stature: at 5'03" he was three inches shorter than the minimum design spec for pilot height for the Apollo Lunar Module.
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  1339. == There were rumors about that in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf Ppt http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonot.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1340. Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1341. " how he was denied the chance " == Did you ever wonder, were there other reasons besides skin color that might have made him less desirable for selection? His class standing was 8th out of 16, NASA picked #1 and #2, he himself admitted his studies suffered by the White House requirement he take three-day weekends off base, giving speeches around the country.
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  1342. = Dwight had too many too heavy loads to struggle with that had nothing to do with bigotry, since the White House required him to take three day weekends DURING the 'aerospace research pilot' training in 1963 for national speaking engagements promoting Democrats, while the other pilots spent full time on classes, books, and flying. In September 1963 the two top rated students in the class [Ted Freeman and Dave Scott] were among the 14 new pilots NASA selected for real astronaut training, but Dwight's expected White House backing failed to persuade NASA to pick him as well on public relations grounds [he admits he did not rate high enough on technical merit but blames this on the impact of his White-House-demanded publicity campaigns -- a plausible explanation]. Kennedy's death the following month obviously had nothing to do with the already-made NASA decision. Dwight's most significant positive impact [for which full honor and gratitude is due] was to create the national publicity that propelled even more fully qualified black pilots and scientists into subsequent spaceflight careers.
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  1343.  @GigitheTrader  -- Thanks for the exchange, let's honor the guy for the inspiration he's passed on to others.
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  1344. Original 'fake news' was your HS Diploma they accidentally gave you, maybe?
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  1345.  @MrPatriickzz == So calling the astronauts and NASA Mission Control operators, who try to honestly explain what this video shows [no UFOs], liars and deceivers of 'true UFO' encounters, is YOUR idea of 'nice'? The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  1346.  @plantxvibe9571  --Thanks for the helpful info!
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  1347.  @꽃.디아  -- This particular 'music' was normal ship-to-ship radio interference. Other stuff -- I express no opinion.
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  1348. The Italian kids were faking, you're right.
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  1349. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1350.  @ruthlessadmin  [grin] The fun is that in a world of clueless clowns, you and I have a verifiable anchor in reality.
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  1351. Thanks! Aldrin speaks about ANYTHING he feels like speaking on, and the 'secret aliens' fairy tale is an insult to his integrity, just to boost the artificial self-esteem of the fable's gullible victims. . During his moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1352. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  1353. Where exactly did NASA get it wrong?
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  1354. Why are you so gullible to long-debunked hoaxes?
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  1355. The Italian kids were faking, you're right.
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  1356. You're right, here's the evidence: http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1357. Any chance witnesses could make a sketch of what it looked like to them? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  1358. You're really a KKK hacker pretending to be an insane black person, right?
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  1359. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  1360. Tad Szulcz's article was practically dictated by the Moscow 'disinformation bureau'.
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  1361. What 'scientists'? Those were Italian teenagers faking it for fame, fortune, and hot dates with Italian starlets. Exposed decades ago.
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  1362. Date/time please, where were you, what direction were you looking?
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  1363. jim oberg 1 month ago (edited) Here are two reports on the wildest grocery store weekly tabloid fairy tales about the mission, that folks might want to share around and post links to on forums where they pop up to mislead kids. The first is the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf The Apollo missions were flown just like they said, and these fairy tales are aimed at a target audience of eager-believer nincompoops by website operators making money off of hits from a victim crowd whose intelligence they have contempt for, and justifiably so.
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  1364. The trail was lit by SUNLIGHT. There's no gentle way to say this. You are an idiot and people on the internet LIKE it that way. Here's what rocket launches have ALWAYS looked like at twilight, I'm sorry you never had a clue, but now you do. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1365. Remember what, exactly? These Italian claims all turned out to be hoaxes.
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  1366. Ilyushin always [correctly] insisted that story was bogus.
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  1367. @Борис Попов -- Here's my overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1368.  LaQureosBetsy -  "it’s common knowledge it couldn’t have been faked" -- Yes, and the most common-sense proof was in Norman Mailer's 1969 book on Apollo, ‘Of A Fire on the Moon” -- “The event was so removed, however, so unreal, that no objective correlative existed to prove it had not been an event staged in a television studio - the greatest con of the century - and indeed a good mind, product of the iniquities, treacheries, gold, passions, invention, deception, and rich worldly stink of the Renaissance, could hardly deny that the event, if bogus, was as great a creation in mass hoodwinking, deception, and legerdemain as the true ascent was in discipline and technology. Indeed, conceive of the genius of such a conspiracy. It would take criminals and confidence men mightier, more trustworthy and more resourceful than anything in this century or the ones before. Merely to conceive of such men was the surest way to know the event was not staged.”
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  1369. It was REALLY really hard to make the USSR look =WORSE= than it really was.
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  1370. Please don't breed.
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  1371.  @katrinaglassmyer1351  -- If you teach your kid this, he and you will both be mocked as nincompoops and it'll be your fault.
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  1372.  @katrinaglassmyer1351  -- Seriously, you ought to seek counseling before some concerned relative steps in. Having opinions is one thing, insulting the world in all-caps is several stages higher. Don't change your opinions, but maybe you need to modify your public image. And yes, I recognize the same advice can be applied to me [grin].
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  1373.  @katrinaglassmyer1351  -- The greatest exploratory epoch in human history, and you just couldn't wrap you mind around it, it was just an idea TOO BIG to fit into your mind and you denied it. I pity you.
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  1374. It's a sad story, but the treasure maps are spurious. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1375. Alex??
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  1376. Have no doubt you act like a gullible simpleton.
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  1377. Yes, it is literally not believable.
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  1378. -- Have you looked at the blanket videos from sts-88?
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  1379. These moon-UFO fairy tales are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at nitwits. Are you a target? http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1380. But where did they get a testable video of Ed Mitchell saying he had seen a UFO? I thought he always denied having a personal experience. I small a rat in the UFO here.
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  1381.    -- "Where did they get a testable video of Ed Mitchell saying he had seen a UFO? " == Still waiting for an answer.
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  1382.    -- Thanks, I was just concentrating on this particular story and trying to find out if there was any checkable evidence that it was true.
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  1383.    -- Please keep in mind the possibility that it's a media con job for fun and profit, and that there might not BE any secrets of the Apollo program, but because lots of people love to think they know stuff other people don't, there will always be money to be made inventing phony 'secrets' for a target audience. And as Is common with art forgeries throughout history, once somebody has been tricked, their own ego rejects any chance they were imprudent or just easily tricked, and they energetically reject any contrary advice or evidence.
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  1384. Their sister spoke Russian, poorly.
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  1385. -- To keep Dwight from flying into space?
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  1386. Yes. Cooper took only few dozen photos, not 'thousands' [that was a faked quote from dubbing unrelated sentences he spoke]. You couldn't even see city blocks, much less shipwrecks.
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  1387. In your dreams.
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  1388. ...and fake news.
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  1389. 3rd thing... you're dreaming.
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  1390. Several secret training deaths, but as it turned out, none on actual space flights.
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  1391. I need your help on my 'Rocket Spotters" website. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1392. I think you are too gullible.
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  1393.  @Steger13  -- Here's the background on the italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1394. 您为什么认为这不能成为火箭？ 火箭也出现在中国的天空。
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  1395. Could also be ice flakes. You do realize the 'swarm' sequence was FOUR DAYS after the tether broke and drifted away. Oh, wait? Were you tricked by the video editing to think the swarm showed up right away? Sucker.
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  1396.  @MrPatriickzz  == Martyn Stubbs called his mailed-out VHS tapes 'uncut'. So you agree he was misrepresenting them? Good first step.
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  1397. Correct diagnosis, for YEARS there wasn't enough information to tell --- but eventually, we found out these stories were all spurious.
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  1398. Russia did, to the genuine casualties. These stories are old hoaxes.
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  1399. Huh? What did Slayton do that looks racist?
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  1400. They didn't have to decide to declassify -- as the USSR collapsed, starving family members of top space officials put their files and diaries and letters up for sale at Sothebys and elsewhere. We've seen all their manned spaceflight goodies, it's been amazing -- and definitive.
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  1401. Still just human rockets.
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  1402. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1403.  @loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397  -- Careful throwing around words like 'stupid', they tend to bounce back in the speaker's face. What would it take to persuade you this WAS a rocket? I'd like to try.
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  1404.  @loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397  -- Great! I'm actually a jen-you-WINE 'rocket scientist', now retired, with a hobby of trying to explain the really WEIRD-looking stuff we were involved with. It contradicted every instinct and experience that served so well on the ground. Here are some reports on these particular kinds of launches, and I have a draft blog [link below] that I need people to look at critically and constructively. Rocket activity reports are more and more common [along with pocketcams and internet] and there are important things the reports can tell us about secret government and corporate activities [and problems], well worth studying. And understanding the 'normal' stuff can help the ABnormal stuff stand out better [and there IS some of that, too]. Please pass this invitation to other buddies who share your fascination with such stories, a fascination I find =ENTIRELY= justified. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf Observations of the SpaceX launch on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/181007-spaceX_1208.pdf Observation of the SpaceX deorbit burn on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/181007-stage2_deorbit.pdf Public misinterpretations of the SpaceX launch on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/20181007-mass-reports_1128.pdf I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  1405.  @Janellabelle  -- Are you satisfied these California sightings -- and the 2009 'Norway spiral' and similar worldwide sightings -- really are just twilight rocket plumes?
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  1406.  @Janellabelle  == I'm asking again: Are you satisfied these California sightings -- and the 2009 'Norway spiral' and similar worldwide sightings -- really are just twilight rocket plumes?
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  1407.  @Janellabelle  == "and you'd think after 23 years now the type of aircraft activity they were participating in that evening that produced such an effect would be divulged by now by someone," == I'm with you on that, unless the Canucks were breaking some flight safety protocol their gummint doesn't want to fess up to. Still an open question -- along with several hi-qual witness reports with binoculars SEEING separate airplanes, and ground video that shows the lights shifting relative positions.
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  1408. The other conceptual barrier that I think my research can help with is the entirely legitimate question, how is it even possible that witnesses would see a swarm of lights in the night sky and IMAGINE they were one big object with lights mounted on it? Initially, it really does defy common sense and it's easy to just say "it could never happen". But quite by chance, a specific spaceflight phenomenon [atmospheric breakup of falling satellites ] has been creating exactly such a visual stimulus all around the world. And guess what, MANY witnesses describe exactly the same perception as at Phoenix. "Giant motherships" of misperception: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf
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  1409. There were such rumors, and it took years to track them all down and debunk them, want details?
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  1410. -- Aside from third-hand hearsay, where's any evidence [like, from a witness] he ever said that?
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  1411.  @rogerscottcathey  : "That's tantamount to calling Cpt. Dwight a liar. " == No, it's not at all. He reported on a rumor he'd heard second hand. I have no problem accepting that he reported what he'd been told truthfully.
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  1412. "Over time, he slowly won over the other trainees: “The other students began to come around. 'Cause they figured out, ‘Say wait a minute now. They tell us to stay away from this cat. The real deal is that that cat is gonna be the only one of us that's gonna go to the moon. If the President has his way, he's the only one of us that's gonna go! So we better be his friend.’” " https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=astronaut%20ed%20dwight&epa=SEARCH_BOX
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  1413.  @rogerscottcathey : At 05:45 - [Ed Dwight] “If there was any discrimination, I thought it was cause I was short and not cause I was black (laughs). So it wasn't until later when I really saw the depth of it and how dastard it was when I started reading all this black history. And I said, "Oh my god." “ https://youtu.be/-RoPyVycNmE
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  1414.  @rogerscottcathey  "I take the man at his word." == I do too. He heard what he reported, but how accurate was what he'd been told? Even the NY Times, who sent a reporter out there, apparently couldn't find anybody else who remembered such a comment.
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  1415.  @rogerscottcathey  -- Thanks, you did the right thing. Meanwhile, we all appreciate Dwight's contributions on Earth, to inspire, to enhance awareness, to make us redouble commitment to live up to our professed ideals... good stuff.
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  1416.  @rogerscottcathey  -- If your looking for a pattern for me, please include these data points: I consider it an honor that I was allowed to helped publicize the astronaut trainee status of USAF Capt Robert Lawrence in 1997 so he could be added to NASA's astronaut memorial in Florida. I attended that ceremony shortly after I quit my NASA job over safety issues. Robert Lawrence http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7018497/#.W7SlJmhKg2w my 1996 letter to amf http://www.jamesoberg.com/96nov11-to-desantis.pdf 1997 story about him and me http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-10-27-9710270194-story.html
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  1417.  @rogerscottcathey  - Yeager explained that he objected to being ordered to include a good pilot who hadn't risen to the level Yeager's team defined. Dwight and supporters argued that those criteria were unnecessarily high, based on Dwight's claim that actually anybody could fly in space since the capsule was always remote-controlled from Houston.
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  1418. Any chance witnesses could make a sketch of what it looked like to them? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  1419.  @spicex4k901  ????
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  1420. Any chance he could make a sketch of what it looked like to him? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  1421. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation.
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  1422. OK, here: the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1423. NASA didn't select him or dozens of other test pilot applicants for the new astronaut class in Sep 1963. Why is his case 'racism'?
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  1424. So you think a thirdhand uncorroborated hearsay claim is solid enough to base an entire film on?
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  1425.  @jollybee515  -- Nobody else ever recalled hearing Yeager say anything like that. Dwight recalls somebody telling him that somebody else said they'd been told that Yeager had said it.
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  1426.  @jollybee515  - Dwight has described hearing the account of Yeager's comments from a fellow student [unnamed] who told him he'd heard it from an instructor [unnamed] who claimed to have heard Yeager say it. That level of uncorroborated multi-step hearsay would be laughed out of academia, jurisprudence, or journalism and never published as 'evidence' for anything. What's changed?
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  1427. Spot on. Eisenstern, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the mission. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  1428.  @goku-fb3nt  -- What Ajax said, ditto.
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  1429. The more we compare notes, the better. I'm a retired 'rocket scientist', fascinated with the kinds of stories that rocket launches spark all around the world, here's one of my recent reports: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1430. A rocket, just like this one -- California missile freak-out [nov 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf
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  1431. What dwarfedgiant said -- spot ON!
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  1432. In your dreams. Here's my attempt to get to the reality behind these NASA-related stories [you may not like it]: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  1433.  YouTube Türkiye Müdür  == It's a public opinion polling effort.....
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  1434. Excellent point -- I'm astonished they did NOT send a guy up on a rocket before the South Korean flight to the ISS.
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  1435. -- your questions answered here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  1436. Hello?
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  1437. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  1438. check out Starlink, use heavens-above website
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  1439.  @nicknickson3650  -- What exactly does his comment imply?
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  1440.  @nicknickson3650  -- "[Aldrin] ... got to see what lies behind the veil of government secrecy." I see no compelling reason to suspect that, since we =KNOW= where these fables originated from, they were misunderstandings of real comments or fabrications by falsifiers to sell copy, then welcomed by an audience that realized it couldn't understanding the reality of the actual events and preferred an imaginary scenario where =THEY= were he smarter, braver witnesses and the actual people who performed these astounding deeds were falsifiers and pretenders. That's really sad.
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  1441.  @nicknickson3650  == "the word NASA translates to treachery/deception." -- It's not, though. The Hebrew word that we pronounce as "NASA," (correctly; na-sar), is the slightly different, "נָשָׂא," which is an archaic verb root meaning "to lift, bear up, carry, or take." There are claims that the word is used in the Bible, and that much is true. It is used 654 times in 611 verses, none of those is related to deception. You're being cheated out of the awesome reality of the authentic Apollo missions.
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  1442. Nope, you've been duped by internet hoaxers who are contemptuous of your judgment, please get a grip.
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  1443.  @no_handle_required  == Oh? What history book have you ever seen that asserts there were secret space flights before Gagarin? I'd love to see one. Show me, please.
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  1444.  @hobsdigree2  -- How could NASA have pulled that off, with US schedules public, so the Soviets could just rush their own stunt and win again.
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  1445.  @hobsdigree2  Easy for you to say. But NAS's astronaut program was built from the start to be open to public view, and the facilities were teeming with civilians who blabbed to family members and neighbors. Somebody would have noticed women undergoing training.
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  1446.  @hobsdigree2  -- The topic is still controversial and worth discussing from all angles, thanks for your input.
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  1447. Pretty standard satellite reentry/breakup, live with it.
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  1448.  @06carbon61  -- My comment was to 'IgnoranceGuy'.
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  1449. Still living in delusion, I see.....
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  1450.  @davidellis5135  -- You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
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  1451.  @davidellis5135  [facepalm]
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  1452.  @davidellis5135  == "an entity moving tadpole like out of the earths atmosphere" == You know its earth-centered direction of motion how, exactly?
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  1453. = "NASA would rather we didn’t see them" -- Then why did NASA rebroadcast them on the public-access 'NASA channel' where Stubbs recorded them, judiciously edited them from snippets actually many days apart, and mailed out VHS cassettes falsely labeled 'UNCUT'?
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  1454.  @davidellis5135  -- How did you guess which way was 'up'?
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  1455. It's been known to happen. Be specific, please.
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  1456.  @davidellis5135  -- That was the story in the 'Weekly World News' about twenty years ago -- the weekly supermarket tabloid published by the 'National Enquirer' for tales too weird to meet 'National Enquirer' standards. Right down your alley?
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  1457.  @davidellis5135  == Cosmonauts have reported seeing some really weird shit, here's one story I believe, and can't explain -- Kovalyonok's, from forty years ago. http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf
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  1458.  @davidellis5135  = Can you be more specific about the program Pope was on?
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  1459.  @davidellis5135  Must be true, then.
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  1460.  @davidellis5135  -- Your fantasy-driven imagination has run light-years ahead of your meagre knowledge of spaceflight [most of which is wrong anyway] and you're way behind my ability to save you.
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  1461.  @davidellis5135 == [sigh]
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  1462.  @davidellis5135 -- You're dodging. @David Ellis -- How did you guess which way was 'up'? You jut ASSUMED the top of the frame was 'up', didn't you? That's what's called half-assuming.
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  1463.  @davidellis5135  == "" I thought they put it nose down to protect it from debris, " -- So your guess was good enough to base your conclusion on? When you have attained basic level of knowledge of the shuttle operating procedures, and fixed all your imaginary expertise, get back in touch.
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  1464.  @davidellis5135  -- What color is the sky on =YOUR= planet, David?
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  1465.  @davidellis5135  -- Do you need a cat to talk to?
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  1466.  @davidellis5135  -- And the connection of Einstein and Teller to these videos of ordinary stuff drifting around outside the shuttle is what, in your opinion?
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  1467.  @davidellis5135  - The tether video dots are still just ice flakes, learn to live with that.
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  1468.  @davidellis5135  == " Nasa doesn't seem to keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge." == [sigh] Sharp observation, whose stunning implication you've totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  1469.  @davidellis5135  = "still doesn't explain why they won't let us see the dark side of the earth " == Why does a statement that isn't true even NEED an 'explanation'?
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  1470.  @davidellis5135  - " why since the early days of the space program nasa uses a 20 min time delay" == Why should any rational human being actually believe that?
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  1471.  @davidellis5135  == What 'clumps' of ice? We've always been talking about snowflake-sized objects the crew could see out the windows, nearby and small. They could SEE they were close because they had two eyes to provide depth perception.
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  1472. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1473. Tochno tak.
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  1474. Correct. It was the Italian kids' sister helping in the hoax.
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  1475. Don't let your mind by closed by the faking UFO hucksters. Aldrin speaks about ANYTHING he feels like speaking on, and the 'secret aliens' fairy tale is an insult to his integrity, just to boost the artificial self-esteem of the fable's gullible victims. . During his moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. Not aliens. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1476. Tell me why.
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  1477.  @Elhamsayed2559  -- nope
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  1478. First stage recovery using engine thrust is a new development by SpaceX. Launch time can vary throughout the clock, it's just most highly visible at dawn/dusk.
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  1479. Date/time please?
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  1480.  @tonismith5932  == Dates/times please?
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  1481. Can you share a sketch of the details you saw?
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  1482. No. And they were even totally out of range of other signals they claimed to have herd.
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  1483. Other reports of thunder have also come in.
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  1484. It's the central theme of this: Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1485. Brian, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the process. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  1486. The brothers hoaxed it for fun, fame, fortune, and hot dates wit Italian starlets. Nowadays cynical internet posters revive the hoax for similar reasons.
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  1487. The difference in duration might be entirely an issue of geography. From the Cape you see stuff directly heading away from you, pretty quickly. This view was from a point way downrange of the launch site, so it had a lot more time to approach, pass, and depart. Does that make any sense to you?
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  1488. Can you share a detailed eyeball sketch of the details inside the shape, please?
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  1489. Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  1490. Rocket, right?
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  1491. It was SpaceX, live with it.
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  1492. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  1493. His standing in the Aerospace Research Pilots course was middling, his excuse was all the time he had to take away from base giving speeches for the White House rather than studying and practice-flying. He claimed being a top student like the two guys NASA picked for the '63 astronaut class wasn't really necessary since the capsules were all remote-controlled from Houston anyway [which isn't true, actually]. And at 5'03" he was 3 inches below the minimum height the lunar module was being designed for.
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  1494. Lots of people know a lot more about this than you do, live with it.
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  1495. There's no gentle way to say this. You are an idiot and people on the internet LIKE it that way. Here's what rocket launches have ALWAYS looked like at twilight, I'm sorry you never had a clue, but now you do. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1496. So what did I get wrong, please? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1497. I've heard those moon UFO stories too. What's wrong with the theory that hack writers just made them up to dupe their target audience of credulous nitwits?
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  1498. Tochno tak, spasibo. This particular scenario was based on a deliberate publicity-seeking hoax by some Italian kids: http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1499. Why can't it be a Trident missile, do you think?
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  1500. Also could have been an out-and-out forgery. Air-to-ground comm from a thousand miles away seems pretty unlikely.
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  1501. Pretty obvious you've been scammed by the old hoax. 2007: Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1502. Been plenty black people in space on many missions.
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  1503. Please seek professional help. Why can't these be Musk's Starlink satellites?
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  1504. The disgrace is the Italian kids faking it all for fame, fortune, and hot dates with starlets.
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  1505. Neither. Never happened.
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  1506. Scary you're so gullible.
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  1507. Have you run out of real historical racism atrocities that you've got to invent new ones?
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  1508. And that made you think the Castro regime was morally superior?
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  1509.  @5pctLowBattery  ????
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  1510. It was 3 hours before sunrise, the flame of the engine in the sky should have been visible for hundreds of kilometers.  Did anybody see it? Perhaps they thought it was a meteor or a UFO.
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  1511.  @Choxchip63  -- Do we actually have any witnesses to the nasty Yeager comment?
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  1512.  @Choxchip63  -- Dwight reported [and I believe him] that he heard a guy tell him that another guy had told HIM that Yeager had said that. I just wish we had somebody who claimed to have actually heard Yeager say it.
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  1513.  @Choxchip63  -- The thing is, black pilots who actually flew with him reported he had zero racism issues: Here's the view of a black pilot colleague of Yeager's: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  1514. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1515. Here's the math: your IQ is 60.
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  1516. … or your counterfeit HS diploma.
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  1517. Once he was well into Parkinson's he showed more and more indications of delusional dementia. Want other examples?
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  1518.  @r.6731  - [Yawn]
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  1519. What's your top-credibility astronaut space UFO encounter story, and why, please?
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  1520. I'm curious why some folks were unsatisfied with the satellite reentry explanation. That's a pretty typical fireball swarm from a predicted reentry, along the path of the object for which the warning was issued. What's the problem?
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  1521.  @susanbarnhart7230  == "Check out what astro people are saying that doesn't reach mainstream media." == Good idea. What's your technique to accomplish that?
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  1522. == Dwight's behavior inspired follow-on black astronauts to reach the highest levels in orbit and in the NASA infrastructure, so all honor to him for that. But your claim " infact you were the most qualified candidate to go to space" is not a fact, even Dwight admitted his studies in the test pilot school [NOT 'astronaut training'] suffered due to the White House demands that he spend three-day weekends flying round the country giving speeches while all the other students did extra studying and flying. It was also awkward that, at 5'03" tall, he was several inches too short to fly the Apollo Lunar Module then under development [the crew stood up to fly it, looking through a small forward window and using ceiling mounted navigation instruments, and the shortest guy to ever fly it was 'Pete' Conrad who was 5'06"].
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  1523. Man, I want a wad of what =YOU'RE= smoking.
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  1524. Internet -- the web of a million lies.
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  1525. Sensible skepticism, good for you.
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  1526. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  1527.  @ethics3  == "And NOT a link to some document that YOU YOURSELF wrote" == Heh. That can be awkward when one is the acknowledged 'world expert', alas. But how about recognized authorities quoting me? [grin] The authoritative Russian spaceflight historian was Yaroslav Golovanov, but he only wrote in Russian -- would that do? Let's see what Siddiqi's book from NASA says....
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  1528. The central core of the argument is that there is ZERO evidence =FOR= the Ilyushin spaceflight. Zero. Numerous images -- photo and cine -- of the first cosmonaut trainees have come out since the end of the USSR and all twenty of the first team are known, and not one of the images show Ilyushin.
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  1529. Photoshop wasn't invented yet. But YES! they did airbrush a lot of photos to remove cosmonaut candidates who were expelled from the training corps. Want to see actual examples?
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  1530. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1531. I second this idea! Why not start a fund to buy him an up-down ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  1532. That's why the blanket fell back into the atmosphere in a few days.
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  1533. Your keyboard 'full stop' key is broken.
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  1534. Fake stuff.
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  1535. Rarely. Usually NBC and MSNBC during the shuttle program. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1536. This particular scenario was based on a deliberate publicity-seeking hoax by some Italian kids: http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1537. In his later, unhealthy years, Cooper described how he saved the shuttle program from a lethal design flaw by relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens, and how he packed a travel bag for a UFO ride but it was canceled at the last minute by political difficulties on the home planet, and how he wielded a magic camera in space that took photos so sharp you could read auto license plates and he even tracked down one car owner that way who confirmed he had really been in the location Cooper had photographed. Compassionate people left him in well-deserved and honorable private retirement, but cynical exploiters flocked to him for his latest imaginary adventures to suck off his well-earned earlier heroism. I saw that claim in his book, and as with dozens of other wild stories he told in those twilight years, it has no basis in fact. Some cosmonauts died in training, in secret. None died on secret space flights. None. This has been confirmed by post-Soviet Western access to all records, diaries, and veterans. Want the details?
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  1538. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  1539.  @angelotero7729  -- I think Apollo was one of the world's greatest accomplishments, with positive repercussions both immediately and far into the future. The media coverage last summer was grudgingly deferential but snarky with repetitive asides, like 'Don't forget the nazis' and 'NASA was mean to women and minorities."
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  1540.  @angelotero7729  - Here's my view, as a spaceflight historian and program veteran, of Dwight's rightful, honorable place in history, and the dishonorable way today's political propagandists have been distorting it: For the NY Times, they highlighted a story of how a black USAF pilot named Ed Dwight was denied his rightful place on a moon landing mission by fierce racist mistreatment, and ultimately by the assassination of his sponsor, JFK. Along with that story, which was reprinted worldwide, they issued a string of self-congratulatory analyses of their own journalistic awesomeness in finding and spreading the story. But the historic record contradicts the NY Times on every particular. Dwight was a talented, charismatic young pilot who had had a smooth early career [including being allowed to train as a pilot even though he was an inch below the minimum height requirement] and got into a pair of six-month test pilot classes in 1962-3, from which astronauts for the USAF and NASA were often selected. Somebody in the Kennedy Administration [most accounts point to Robert Kennedy] leaned on the USAF to get a black pilot into the astronaut corps and these classes were the first step. In later years Dwight complained he had been viciously opposed by the school commandant, the legendary Chuck Yeager, who according to Dwight [based on third-hand hearsay] had instructed the other students to shun and isolate Dwight to drive him out. But not even the NY Times could find a single actual witness to this order, nor any actual actions to implement it [Dwight graduated on schedule]. Yeager vigorously denied ever saying it. The top two pilots of that class were picked by NASA for its 1963 astronaut group. Dwight indicated to the NY Times that his class standing wasn't so high but he had a legitimate excuse in that the White House wanted him to take three-day weekends all that year to fly around the country giving speeches, while all the other students stayed on base studying and flying [In Dwight's autobiography he blames Yeager for permitting him to go, as a mean trick to sabotage his studies]. According to the NY Times, quoting Dwight, selecting for the highest demonstrated skill levels wasn't really important anyway since the spacecraft was continuously under remote control from Houston and the astronaut was only a passive passenger anyway [which was most emphatically NOT true, something the NY Times failed to notice]. Nevertheless the NY Times implied a cause-and-effect by reporting that after JFK was killed, 'within a month Dwight's career at Edwards AFB was over" [and he was transferred out] when he wasn't picked as one of the candidates that NASA wanted. But that selection had already been made two months BEFORE the assassination, and Dwight's class at the school at Edwards had always been scheduled to end in December. At that point, all the graduates were assigned to test pilot duty in important positions [Dwight was sent to Wright-Patterson AFB as 'Deputy for Flight Test' for the US Bomber Command, hardly a punishment]. But the media representations, taking their cue from the NY Times, carried the fictitious version where Dwight had been all set for NASA astronaut selection and ultimately assignment to a subsequent moon landing mission until racists squashed his chances. It was reported that Deke Slayton, the chief of the astronaut office, "learned that some of the white astronaut candidates had refused to fly with Dwight, and Slayton pushed him out of the program" [no evidence this ever happened, or COULD have happened]. Wikipedia [and other websites] had referred to 'racist hostility from NASA astronauts' although Dwight never even got to NASA or as far as is known ever even visited the astronaut center in Houston. The NY Times story was full of other technical errors about spaceflight that indicated they had never even tried to fact-check the text with subject-matter experts. For example, it claimed he had an astounding 9000 hours of flight time, which was three times as much as any other pilot accepted by NASA in 1963, when he actually had about 2200 hrs when accepted at the test pilot school, a respectable amount at that point in his career. The opening paragraph presents the preposterous image of ‘gravitational forces’ ripping out a pilot’s eyeballs, when the misunderstood effect of “G forces” are acceleration stresses [measured in units of gravity, but not true gravity]. Clearly, nobody with the slightest familiarity with flying aircraft was ever giving the task of reviewing the manuscript before publication [the author’s bio shows no previous treatment of spaceflight, science, or any sort of aviation, and her Twitter account bio suggests she was actually a free-lancer]. Surveying the media coverage of this story, and the hundreds of reader comments posted that expressed outrage at 'white privilege' and 'whitesplaining' when confronted with verifiable facts contrary to the narrative, was extremely dismaying. But I didn't realize until reading news on the NY Times “1619” editorial policy that such reader reaction was evidently the only real goal of such [mis]reporting. And if respected institutions such as NASA, and respected heroes such as Chuck Yeager and Deke Slayton, need to be falsely smeared to accomplish this, seemingly that's acceptable to them. Sad, and shameful to the media outlets who promulgated these false accusations.
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  1541. Here's a link to the videos of the object outside the shuttle windows. It's clear what it was, which is why the UFO hucksters don't let you see them.  -  http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  1542. And it forty years later it happened again, twice, with Americans aboard: https://web.archive.org/web/20100119021212/http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/space-flight/internal-nasa-documents-give-clues-to-scary-soyuz-return-flight
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  1543. I'd sure like to hear more about that, email me at kosmograd@yahoo.com please
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  1544. Too late, it's already happened.
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  1545. In this particular incident, can you imagine any rational reasons why Dwight might not have been selected by NASA? Class standing? Physical limits like height? Why would you expect the NY Times to give you the full and fair story considering their '1619 Project' editorial strategy?
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  1546. How are you so sure? Getting coded messages from your tooth fillings and from bowls of alphabet soup?
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  1547. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1548. Actually, maybe not. The 1960 pad explosion was a military ICBM, not part of their space program. Fifty more pad workers DID die in a satellite rocket pad fire at Plesetsk in 1980, they should count
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  1549. Why not a satellite reentry fireball?
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  1550. We can start a GoFundMe account, I pledge $100.
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  1551. @Ponga Pandit "The injustice cannot be undone." When NASA didn't pick him for the 1963 class, do you suppose they considered his test pilot class standing? Dwight himself admitted his ratings suffered because of all the time away from the school giving speeches for the White House.
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  1552. @Ponga Pandit == Not convenient at all. It's how Dwight himself described it : "“The other students began to come around. … The real deal is that that cat is gonna be the only one of us that's gonna go to the moon. If the President has his way, he's the only one of us that's gonna go! So we better be his friend.’”
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  1553. @Ponga Pandit -- "ostracized by... his boss." == Yeah, that's the famous story of Yeager ordering the other students to shun him. In fifty years nobody's found a single witness to that statement, or even a second hand witness ['I heard from a guy who heard him say it"]. Third-hand hearsay, totally unsubstantiated, would be laughed out of court, out of academic halls, out of professional newsrooms. Why is it now good enough for the Internet?
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  1554. "They said the exact same thing last time something occurred in the sky like this." == Maybe that was true then, too. Which story was that -- the Hawaii 'mothership; last October?
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  1555. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf The Trident missile was two years earlier.... MISSILE FREAK-OUT IN CALIFORNIA [NOV 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf Nov 07, 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/151107-cali_slbm_witness_analysis.pdf
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  1556. Cooper never mentioned the map in his own autobiography, and the new program has used a documented forgery of Cooper sound-bites, so that's possible. But Cooper's late-in-life tales did get weird, see Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1557. Impossible. The kids made it up. Please catch up.
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  1558.  @bulelanilindokuhle2461  == " yess I did.... I saw it" ==These apparitions are seen by thousands of people across hundreds of kilometers, so please show links to other reports of what you are claiming to have seen. Thank you!
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  1559. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1560. whatsyurprob, crawl back into your hole and pull the opening in after you.
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  1561. And here is the complete data set showing that persistent dropout that has been claimed by the ignorant to be a giant elongated UFO. http://www.planetary.org/explore/resource-library/data/phobos-2-vsk-data.html
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  1562. Has your view of NASA's Apollo program changed?
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  1563. You do realize it was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you?
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  1564.  @FoxylilVick  == I'd appreciate you pointing out errors in my report on these kinds of apparitions, I posted a link in the DISCUSSIONS folder on your youtube page.
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  1565.  @jennifero789  == "Traveling sideways not downwards.." == Which is EXACTLY how satellites reenter the atmosphere, on a very shallow descent path.
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  1566. You have to be really gullible.
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  1567. Brian, I'll take that bet. What's the wager, the odds, who decides?
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  1568. my ‘moon race’ talk for the Apollo-11 50th last year… http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1569.  @blidge8282 -- THANK YOU. This is a VERY thoughtful response about seeking a productive strategy for dynamically optimizing phases of international competition versus cooperation. There are some serious Facebook pages such as 'space hipsters' where you could make significant contributions to the discussions. Here's a pitch I gave some time ago on the multiple surprising advantages of the ISS partnership. http://www.jamesoberg.com/140809_international_strategies.pdf
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  1570. I've heard those stories too. What's wrong with the theory that hack writers just made them up to dupe their target audience of credulous nitwits?
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  1571. But seriously, why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1572.  @MoSteel2  == [facepalm]
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  1573. If the audio clip is a long-debunked hoax, what emotion do you think you'd feel to this site owner?
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  1574. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  1575. Nonsense. The 'space UFO stories' are made-up fairy tales for gullible halfwits.
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  1576. Oswald still killed JFK.
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  1577. Vladimir Komarov was killed when the capsule parachute failed, there was a fire after impact. A photo of his charred corpse is on the Internet.
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  1578. Nonsense. The 'space UFO stories' are made-up fairy tales for gullible halfwits.
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  1579. Could have been a hoax aimed at foolish nincompoops, too.
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  1580. your questions answered here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  1581. You =DO= know it was a satellite launch, right?
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  1582. Dushas, there really were a lot of rumors about that, in those days -- later, all debunked.
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  1583. All I could see from my grandparents' home in Flatbush was the lights of Ebbetts Field on the brownstones across the street -- but up in Westchester we saw the flashing, tumbling launch rocket crossing the sky [the satellite was too small to see without binoculars]. These days, get visible predictions at www.heavens-above.com, the ISS is as bright as Venus. BTW, Iridium flares were great but the satellites have been decommissioned and no longer are oriented for reflecting back to Earth.
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  1584. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  1585. No.
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  1586. These are rocket probes carrying tracer gas for ionosphere studies, please try to catch up to the rest of the class.
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  1587. Mind closd to reality, eh? And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1588. Happily, it was only a publicity-seeking stunt, quickly exposed and debunked. Then cynically revived by shameless internet hucksters to sucker a new generation of gullible victims.
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  1589. In your dreams.
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  1590. People around the world have been seeing this spectacle since the dawn of the Space Age -- get a friggin' CLUE.
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  1591.  @trigigiga  -- So what did I get wrong, please? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1592. Russia, China, Australia -- it's the 'Space Age' all over the planet: Here’s the type of missile test in Russia that makes spirals: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/171226_kyss.pdf
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  1593. Stop and think -- maybe it was a fake. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1594. The snapped tether and swarm video at 04:00 has been falsely promulgated for a quarter century by fraudsters and nincompoops as showing a fleet of somethings swooping in immediately to inspect the loose tether. The swarm video was actually taken FOUR DAYS LATER after the shuttle had resumed routine waste water dumps, which the crew could see were caused by the dump, since these dots were clearly small and close, because the astronauts had binocular vision with their two eyes. This four-day-gap was in a video that the UFO salesmen originally claimed was UNCUT. As long as their target audience keeps falling for such frauds, the internet will keep producing them. Genuine anomalies could be lost in the blizzard of nonsense and pretense.
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  1595.  @chrishewson1559  "Just one problem here, when rockets are launched from Florida "take note Broccoli,32 " they take a parabolic curve from west to east, correct. So why is this one going east to west then down?" == Problem is only of viewing angle. Rockets heading into orbit follow practically the same ascent path anywhere in the world in any direction. Videos from Florida and California LOOK different because rockets from Florida head straight out to see and are viewed from behind, while in California the rocket's flight is seen from downrange in profile, side view, because of different geographical relative positions of the observers. Do you want to see some pictures?
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  1596.  @francisgordonludwig7777  -- Which 'you' are you talking about, and why?
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  1597. and not secret.
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  1598. Sad indeed, if true. But based on third-hand gossip [Dwight didn't hear the comment, he was told that somebody else heard from another person that Yeager had said it]? How fair is that?
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  1599.  @edwardhill9620  -- He wasn't going to weekend social events because the White House had him flying cross-country giving speeches from Friday through Sunday [which he complained was hurting his studies and flying practice, and he blamed Yeager for giving him permission to be off base so often, in order to sabotage his classwork]. He also said [URL if you want it] other students chummed up to him because they expected he had White House influence.
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  1600.  @edwardhill9620  "What about a White House investigation that concluded Yeager said, in a group meeting with the other test pilots, what Dwight said he was told?" == I'd love to see that report. All we have is Dwight's claim there was such report, as far as I can determine. But there's more to learn. Ditto any correspondence or notes from the JFK presidential library concerning the push for a black astronaut -- so far, I've seen zilch. But I was able to FOIA his USAF assignments record -- he left Edwards in December 1963 on schedule when the class ended, it had zero connection with the JFK assassination.
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  1601.  @edwardhill9620  Good references, thanks. "he says in his own biography he resented what he saw as White House interference in his operation." == He saw it accurately. It =WAS= political-inspired interference in his area of responsibility, associated with life-and-death decisions of personnel assignment.
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  1602. ​ @edwardhill9620  -- Thanks for the detailed response. Dwight admits his class ranking wasn't top drawer, but he explicitly ascribes it to the three-day weekends he was asked to take by the White House making nationwide speaking tours during the training program, when the other students were doing extra flying and studying. He actually blames Yeager for allowing him to make those tours instead of confining him to base, to study [imagine the complaints if Yeager HAD done that -- he couldn't win, either way]. Dwight also claims that NASA's selection of the top 2 [or the dozen or so] students for the 1963 astronaut class [made two months before the JFK assassination] used an improper skill criterion since actually anybody could fly in space since the vehicle was always remote-controlled from Houston anyway, no piloting skills required [not true]. In the end, Dwight innocently wound up an expendable pawn in the White House political game [if picked, make black voters thank the Dems -- if NOT picked, make black voters hate the Republicans]. Dwight's own performance was skillful and honorable and he did serve as a shining inspiration to others like Robert Lawrence, Guy Bluford, Mae Jemison, and Charlie Bolden [who would up as NASA Administrator], and many other black astronauts too numerous for anybody on this comment thread even remembering their names. Dwight helped immensely to get us all to this point. He deserves all the honor -- and a free 'space tourist' hop next year -- that is flowing his way.
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  1603.  @edwardhill9620  == It's from his autobiography. Let me look up the page citation, it's in my notes. Which other students took speaking tours every weekend? Is that just an assumption of yours or is there a public record supporting it?
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  1604.  @edwardhill9620  -- Quick response, from NY Times last July: Emily Ludolph: “First of all, there’s purely logistics. He’s off doing all of these tours all weekend, but he’s still got to come back and do his flight exams on Monday just like all of his peers who have been studying all weekend for them do. "
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  1605. If true. Where are any witnesses to the reported comments by Yeager?
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  1606. I am skeptical you are more than 12 years old [mental age].
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  1607. More likely it's a hoax and you've been tricked.
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  1608.  @jcm028  == It can happen, thanks, I'll fix it == where?
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  1609. The new Smithsonian program 'Black in Space' pays well-deserved tribute to the African-American pioneers of the space program, and to NASA which enabled such pioneering by its own energetic measures in its workforce and in the often reluctant surrounding communities. Some minor factual quibbles suggest the producers were focused on the big picture and didn’t allocate sufficient attention to fastidious fact-checking [like promoting the program by calling astronaut candidate Ed Dwight ‘an ace combat pilot’]. My main ‘big picture’ disagreement is the concept that there was a deliberate ‘race’ to get minorities into space, or even should have been. The Soviets ran with the propaganda strategy of pre-empting spectacular stunts based on knowledge of existing US plans, starting with the ‘woman-in-space’ one-off mission in 1963 and then a new sequence of pre-emptive stunts based on NASA’s announced plans for the new Space Shuttle crew selection in 1977 [to involve women and minorities and international partners]. So another Russian woman was launched, and when a plan for an American woman’s spacewalk was announced by NASA, suddenly the Soviets made one lasting five minutes longer than NASA’s disclosed plan. The ‘one-each’ flights by Soviet bloc nations also began as the Space Shuttle was gearing up for missions, and the gimmicky nature of those missions was demonstrated by the second group being launched in alphabetical order of country. As soon as it was announced in Moscow that Cuba was included on that roster, the opportunity to fly a black pilot was recognized by US space experts and predicted in print three years before it actually happened, since the Soviet go-for-the-gimmick strategy had been so openly followed for many years, with great success among impressionable Westerners who never noticed that each feat was usually done just once and then the barriers dropped back down again. That’s the major difference between Russian and American approaches and the US side deserves a lot more credit for its methodical and skill-based approach and the permanent openings it created. The nasty racism-accusation about Chuck Yeager needs particular attention, even though Smithsonian curator Smithsonian curator Cathleen Lewis candidly and correctly was seen to say: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Ed Dwight’s career. And historians have searched for evidence and haven’t found it.” Uncorroborated third-hand hearsay has no place in jurisprudence or journalism, and in my view its inclusion here was both unfair and cynically pandering for contemporary political motives. There is no first or even second hand corroboration of the shunning command, and no indication it was even followed. Instead, Dwight’s training at Edwards AFB was inadvertently but seriously hindered by White House demands he take three-day weekends traveling the country giving speeches [while other student spent that time studying and flying] and his own attitude at the school could have been harmfully influenced by White House assurances he was a shoo-in for astronaut selection and didn’t really need to get high ratings from instructors [he graduated 8th out of 16, and NASA only picked #1 and #2]. At 5' 03" he was also several inches too short to see out the Lunar Module windows where the pilots stood while flying it down onto and then back up from the moon. Dwight’s honorable role as a space program pioneer was to inspire future black pilots and scientists, which parallels the role of Lt. Dayton Ragland, the black pilot from the Korean War whose newspaper photo Dwight vividly recalls had sparked his own passion for aviation. That’s more than enough valid reason for recognition and gratitude to him. Other news media coverage included different factual flaws. Russell Contreras’s AP story, very widely reprinted, at first erroneously claimed that “U.S. Air Force officer Robert Henry Lawrence Jr. was chosen. NASA selected the Chicago-born Lawrence as the first African American astronaut, and he may have made it to the moon.” A very few subsequent reprints accurately corrected ‘NASA’ to ‘US Air Force’ but left in the false ‘may have made it to the moon’, untrue since the USAF astronauts were only transferred to NASA in 1969 after all the Apollo crewmen had already been trained and assigned. Other egregious factual errors in recent press stories include the spurious claim first seen in the NY Times last July that Dwight had an astounding 9000 flight hours [he had 2200, a respectable but not outstanding amount].
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  1610. The flight WAS announced while it was in progress. But your overall point Is true, so many fake claims were coming out, and real accidents were being suppressed, that wild rumors weren't identifiable from real but secret events.
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  1611. Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” So why the parade of nasty comments here?
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  1612. Do you suppose the NASA selection board paid attention to the awkward fact he was three inches below the minimum height design for the Lunar Module? He was 5'3", the shortest pilots that could fly the LM were 5'6". Why is this fact ignored and omitted by the grievance-fanning industry?
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  1613. You're confusing two separate explosions, Nedelin's team in October 1960 [ICBM] and the N-1 moon rocket [no casualties], mid-1969.
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  1614. Good comments, thanks. Ground observations of Zuma booster flares, Jan 8, 2018 http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  1615.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- Would a pre-entry alert message help convince you?
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  1616.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- You misread my tone. I can link you to public websites where the entry was predicted in advance.
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  1617.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- I'm happy to get technical criticisms of my reports in =ANY= tone if it helps steer me closer to reality.
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  1618.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- If so, it's only under pressure of folks who want to correct me, have the tools and know how to use them, and have successfully done so in the past! [grin]
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  1619.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- I've taken my turns testifying to Congress about top NASA officials management mistakes, too.
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  1620.  @frankcancelliere8851  == [grin] There's no cost, no need to 'buy' anything, it's free. Do you want to see the predictions of the reentry, and alert messages released, and how the path of the object was tracking directly over the area where it eventually began fireballing? I'd be curious how you would account for such advance awareness. I might even buy a theory that made sense and was consistent with known facts.
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  1621.  @frankcancelliere8851  == "there's too much debris from just parts of rocket, it looks like a larger object had already disintegrated." == OK, how do you make that guesstimate? Based on what real-world evidence?
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  1622.  @frankcancelliere8851  = "there's too much debris from just parts of rocket, it looks like a larger object had already disintegrated." == There have been dozens of satellite reentries videotaped in recent years, by hundreds of observers. Is it your theory that ALL of them were actually much, much bigger objects?
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  1623.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- They have, for decades... just not so widely videoed, or internet-published....
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  1624.  @frankcancelliere8851  -- The fireball evolution in such swarm videos is dynamic, over a period of several minutes. It doesn't start, run identically, then stop. The middle period has bright fireballs with tails, but early and late, the tails are much smaller, even not noticeable. The 'formation flying' is most striking, as are flashing fireballs as irregular debris tumbles. This stuff is literally unearthly, never before seen by humans, and not even remotely predicted at the dawn of the Space Age.
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  1625. You were tricked into believing that by creative editing and cutting by UFO salesmen.
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  1626. Right, since the UFO hucksters hide the hi-res 70-mm handheld views from their victims. And the fact that the dots video was made four days after the tether broke and drifted away.
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  1627. What CAN be proven is that the 'tether UFO' incident is a hoax started by Martyn Stubbs dubbing video sequences from DAYS apart into a sensational sequence [uncut'] that was misleading from the get-go.
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  1628. There are real mysteries out there, that need filtering out, and focusing on -- and ETI evidence remains a reasonable possibility [one of many], now and in the future. Watch the skies, and write down anomalies quickly -- memory doesn't just fade, it can mutate over time. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1629.  @imhuemankeepURcolorsforcrayons -- "But don’t state that someone’s lying because you don’t like what they have to say" === Please don't accuse me of accusing that anybody was lying, by simply asking for a direct witness to the alleged quotation which accuses Yeager of racism. I'm sorry that such a reasonable approach to historical verification can appear to be a white-black issue.
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  1630.  @neghiethervil5606  -- Please teach me how to acquire the insight to determine that in a few minutes of video, I sure could use that skill. We all could. Meanwhile, I guess you concede there aren't any witnesses at all to the Yeager comment -- which Dwight just repeated the third-hand rumor about. .
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  1631. ​ Matshidiso Sekgampu  == Thanks for taking the time for an excellent response. I know perfectly well that general situation, I was living in that era. Please don't generalize me or anybody. This specific historical event, the subject of THIS video, was my focus. As a historian I wish there were actual witnesses to the rumored Yeager comment. I don't doubt Dwight recalled the version he heard correctly -- but was the double hearsay version originally accurate?
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  1632.  Matshidiso Sekgampu  -- As quickly as I can, when I can find it. Can you repeat it for me so we can be sure my bot detects it and flags it for me?
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  1633. ​@LetsPlayInFire "i feel like you did ask that in a baiting way though" == Thanks for the constructive observation. As a historian of space flight I saw that question as a legitimate one and I do appreciate the sensitivity of its apparently confrontational nature, especially in light of the scattered nasty responses from other drive-by snipers. Can you suggest a softer way to word it, in the future?
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  1634. ​ @Sveltdre  "Let me guess, clean bill of health, no racism to claim?" -- Guesses based on personal biases usually turn out wrong, and yours has. In a deep-search records check, I found that my ancestor John Reed in Massachusetts in the mid-1700s, owned two slaves [which the document mentioned because he treated them humanely, scant comfort]. My great-grandfather Gottlieb Grams fought and bled with the 54th New York at Gettysburg, and family oral tradition includes his words of pride at freeing the slaves. We all have dark and light chapters, we need to try to live up to the brighter ones.
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  1635.  Matshidiso Sekgampu  -- Re BEZBZ1's question, I searched this thread and couldn't find it, would you paraphrase it for me, please?
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  1636.  @luv4ever101  -- You were perfectly clear. And BTW, no problem with ALL CAPS for such messages.
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  1637.  @luv4ever101  -- OK.
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  1638.  @jahadom1885  -- I've tried and failed. Please help me. Last July’s PBS “Chasing the Moon” three-parter had a sloppy edit job on Frank Borman comments [Apollo-8 commander, and developer of the Aerospace Research Pilot course Dwight was in] in a long quote on the moon race with Russia, interspersed with Ed Dwight's racism complaint about Chuck Yeager, making it sound like Borman was corroborating Dwight's original allegation -- if you didn't listen to the voices carefully. Here’s the program: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/chasing-moon/?fbclid=IwAR0uVOT8CLoDLl8kjWdkb6q9Nt9HZ5TSKd96Xj11HoWE_cdqImqAjyj1_7w part 1 beginning at 1:17:46. It turns out that PBS for some reason put Dwight’s own recorded accusation right in the middle of a long clip of Borman’s recollections, even though their voices sound pretty similar, enough to have misled many listeners. But PBS’s own transcript of the program [it’s online near that original URL] clearly identifies the speaker of the Yeager story as Dwight, who still remains the only source of the quote ever found so far [and only at third hand]. I don’t doubt Dwight recalled the hearsay he heard accurately, but how about the other unknown retellers of the original gossip? Such a weak provenance of the claim would be enough to keep it out of any court of law, any professional historian’s book, any principled newspaper. Here’s a screen grab of the transcript and the correct attribution to Dwight: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/xn5dfc138b.jpg
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  1639.  @slimtouche  == Proving one is innocent of a nasty accusations seems a touch 'un-American' to me, especially when the entire basis of the accusation seems to be a third-hand piece of gossip. Here's first person testimony of Yeager's racial attitudes from a black pilot who flew with him http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  1640.  @playablue  -- Where precisely did NASA reflect racism in its role in this affair?
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  1641. I still have not been able to find out if SpaceX alerted its California employees to go outside to see the trans-mars burn in the southwestern sky. FH [falcon heavy] escape burn to Mars Feb 06, 2018 observed from SW USA http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/180206_fh_s2_burn3_d2.pdf
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  1642. Never happened, it was an old hoax, long ago debunked, resurrected by internet hoaxers to sucker a new generation of gullible nitwits.
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  1643. Which date was that? Thanks for sharing. Folks in California have had a series of sky-spectacle from rockets recently.
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  1644.  @josephhoward7992  - That rings a bell, you've got MY benefit of the doubt. There were LOTS of such secret dead cosmonaut stories in those days [mid-1960s]. Those were the first subjects of my initial Soviet space history investigations: Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with... 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1645. Show us the picture.
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  1646. It's even sadder seeing so many gullible nincompoops falling for a half-century-old hoax.
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  1647. About 30 years ago, late one night?
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  1648. Yes, he was. Get a grip.
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  1649.  @timnor4803 - Indeed, they knew how to put on a show for the press. And they inspired other SWLs to try space receptions too.
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  1650.  @timnor4803  http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1651.  @timnor4803  -- Apollo contact cards. AWESOME. Make sure he's logged all that for your family. I'm busy doing that at my age, making notes and stories about my own space souvenirs.
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  1652.  @timnor4803  -- Some have expired, but you can find many 'dead links' by loading them onto Google's 'wayback machine' catalog of dead URLs. Let me try and fix my page....
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  1653.  @timnor4803  -- Definitely an irresistible temptation for teenaged boys.
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  1654. Can you share a sketch of what your eyes saw in detail?
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  1655. Sketch, please?
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  1656. No question it was an ordeal on him, but he was as much [or more] a victim of cynical White House electioneering manipulation as of non-existent ''astronaut racism'' [as Wikipedia and contemporary political exploiters called it].
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  1657. Chris, that's an excellent question. Cooper did his NASA duties on his flights, the treasure map narrative was made up years later for publicity and money. The show had a totally bogus premise, then it jumped the shark with discovery of underwater alien spaceship in Season 2, then Season 3 cancelled, gullible nitwit audience heart-broken. Shocker.
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  1658. Earth getting smaller, oxygen running out? Your imagination has long ago escaped the bounds of real space flight. Find some 14-year-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  1659. Can you share a drawing of the details you saw on it?
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  1660. Here's my attempt to get to the reality behind these NASA-related stories [you may not like it]: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  1661. "Their minds were systematically hypnotized and semi cleaned of many facts " --Sounds like you're speaking from personal experience. Why else would you fall for this old hoax so easily?
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  1662.  @PlanetaryProtector  == These are chemical rockets. They've been seen for decades. Examples: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1663. He said he didn't know WHICH part of their booster they were seeing. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  1664. ​ @rantinghippie6796  -- Thanks for giving me the chance to clarify. The existence of ETI, or even its presence locally, is impossible to disprove, and it remains a very real possibility that should always be on a preliminary list of candidate explanations. With reasonably-postulated technology, they can be as detectable, or as camouflaged, as they choose. The unavoidable need for ETI to exist, in order to explain some unearthly-looking spaceflight experiences and observations, remains zero, in the many spaceflight-related events that I have personally investigated. That's Aldrin's explicit assessment, and based on my lifetime of professional involvement in manned spaceflight operations, mine as well. The "UFO experts" who reach contrary conclusions do so, in my view [and his] based on fundamental ignorance of actual spaceflight features and context data.
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  1665. Nobody else who actually checked, did.
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  1666. "His footprints cannot be found on the moon. " -- Might the fact that he was three inches shorter than the minimum design height for Apollo LM pilots, have something to do with that?
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  1667. Kiss your a$$ goodbye, because that's what it was.
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  1668. Date/time of that one? Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  1669. Press reports won't tell you the full story, including potential non-racial reasons why NASA chose other pilots. But his presence in the two USAF test pilot schools in 1962-3 inspired a wave of follow-on fully-qualified black pilots such as Robert Lawrence, picked for USAF astronaut status in 1967, and others who became shuttle astronauts. Some died alongside their white colleagues on fatal missions [their names deserve special honor, too], and one became NASA Administrator who always honored Dwight for being his initial inspiration. We got where we are today because of pioneers such as Dwight, who deserve all the honor they earned.
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  1670. Can you share a sketch of the details you saw in the shape?
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  1671.  @foxforcerecon7770  -- check your youtube home page DISCUSSION folder
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  1672. Were there possibly legitimate reasons NASA didn't pick him?
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  1673. Here's my report on ground observations of the second stage performing the deorbit burn in an unusual manner, http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  1674. BTW, I'm the only Western 'rocket scientist' ever allowed to visit [and return alive from!] NorKor's 'Sohae' satellite launch pad. http://www.jamesoberg.com/norkorsat-retrospective.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/nk/nk1.pdf
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  1675. How are you sure? Getting messages from your tooth fillings?
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  1676. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1677. Kiss your ass goodbye, the stories are unequivocally bogus. UFO hucksters have scammed you and you made it so easy.
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  1678.  @Kinobambino  -- The Apollo-11 UFO stories are bogus, people who were tricked into believing them are eager-believer victims of a modern myth. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  1679.  @bapestaman6197  == My explanation of why I conclude the Apollo-11 UFO stories are bogus: http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf :
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  1680.  @bapestaman6197  == You're evading the question. Astronauts speak true -- the spaceflight UFO stories are media fairy tales aimed at gullible nitwits. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf PS -- you're equally delusional about what I think about possibilities of other intelligent civilizations in the universe -- you just imaged my view, about that, too. Please don't spread false claims about my opinions.
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  1681.  @bapestaman6197  -- Regarding Apollo-11, I'd be curious to learn what you regard as verifiable evidence of alien encounters on that mission? Blogs by internet strangers don't count very highly In my research. Dazzle me.
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  1682.  @bapestaman6197  == Here's what my research tells me, what do you dispute? http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1683.  @bapestaman6197  -- Reminder: Regarding Apollo-11, I'd be curious to learn what you regard as verifiable evidence of alien encounters on that mission? Blogs by internet strangers don't count very highly In my research. Dazzle me.
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  1684. Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  1685. Someday maybe the internet UFO hucksters will all admit they were just faking out their target audiences of eager-believer nincompoops, and you'll realize how foolish you've been.
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  1686.  @calzonie5763  --I don't remember ever saying that. The threat is that too many false alarms, innocent misinterpretations, and outright hoaxes together create enough 'noise' to mask any signal that we might detect. Crying 'wolf' is an old fable, but remember, the wolf finally DID come.
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  1687. Aren't you wandering far off-topic?
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  1688. -- So where are ANY first or second hand witnesses to this alleged comment?
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  1689. You're referring to the 'Nedelin disaster' of October 1960, a military missile explosion that had nothing at all to do with their moon program. Pretty horrible though, and covered up for many years, as you say.
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  1690.  @sunrisings292  - they are very interesting and i look forward to where investigations will lead!! stay tuned!
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  1691. What exactly do you think NASA did wrong?
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  1692. Old hoaxes long debunked, reborn for a new generation of judgment-deficient nitwits.
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  1693. Why do you think so? What exactly did you see?
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  1694. Thanks for replying. I'm utterly fascinated by the way people perceive this phenomenon, and I'm trying to determine how they reached certain interpretations. I'm a retired 'rocket scientist' and this has become my new hobby.
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  1695. Are you referring to the real 'Loot Lake' located in Moreno Valley, CA, or the fortnite game's version?
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  1696. Spot on. It probably was the boy's sister reading a script. They faked a lot -- maybe even all -- their famous 'intercepts', but in a few years all the real space historians realized it.
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  1697. We need verifiable facts first. Where are any witnesses to the reported comments by Yeager?
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  1698. Precisely. He inspired a follow-generation of black astronauts who fully joined into the triumphs and tragedies of space exploration. Worth all gratitude and honor from all earthmen.
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  1699. NASA didn't pick him for the 1963 astronaut class. Might there have been any non-racial reasons?
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  1700. In your dreams.
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  1701. Those spurious stories have lately gotten a new lease on life from internet scammers exploiting a new generation of credulous nitwits. Decades ago it was an unsolved mystery. In hindsight, it was a stupid hoax for fame, fortune, and hot dates with Italian starlets. Today it is a nitwit-aimed internet scam. The Kettering Group publicized the new cosmodrome in 1966 by using unclassified tracking data mailed out by NORAD, which knew about the base for YEARS.
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  1702. Canuck horseshit, what's your mental age?
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  1703. Why not start a fund to buy him a ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  1704. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1705. She' was the sister of the Italian kids who were faking it. Why are you so pitifully gullible?
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  1706. You're joking, right? [saw the emoticon]
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  1707. They faked it. There were rumors about secret Soviet space flights [and fatalities] in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked [the Bondarenko fire in March 1961 immediately gave rise to misinterpretations it was on a secret launch]. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  1708. That's the Ilyushin myth, it started in the 1960s from some genuine misunderstandings, but was bogus. Today's Internet scammers are dusting off all the old long-debunked 'spaceflight legends' to scam new generations of gullible victims. The Italian kids faked it for fame, fortune, and hot dates with starlets. Some cosmonauts dies in training, in secret. None died on secret space flights. None. This has been confirmed by post-Soviet Western access to all records, diaries, and veterans. Want the details?
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  1709. Neither. The story is fake.
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  1710.  @ronsindric4241  == How come this site gets so many hits? Where is it linked from?
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  1711. What kind of Yeager stories did you hear?
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  1712. Has your view of NASA's Apollo program changed?
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  1713.  @TheWeirdoChannel100  - Thanks for responding. It seemed to me that the 'Dwight narrative' might reflect badly on NASA, which I don't think would be fair. While in the USAF "Aerospace Research Test Pilot" school [NOT an 'astronaut school'] Dwight came up before the NASA 'Group 3' astronaut review board in 3rdQ 1963, the top 2 students [of ~15] were picked by NASA [Dave Scott and Ted Freeman]. Dwight admits his evaluation scores weren't that high due to all the weekends away that the White House demanded he do speaking tours stead of studying / practicing. He thought he deserved a pass on his lower grades because the White House wanted him picked no matter what, for symbolic reasons, and because he insisted top-skill test pilots weren't needed anyway since the capsules were continuously remotely-controlled from Houston anyway [which wasn't actually accurate]. The class ended as scheduled in December and the students dispersed to test pilot related assignments, as always planned.
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  1714. What connection with Yeager, please?
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  1715. Update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1716. I think you are foolish to be so easily duped by internet strangers. Want to see the evidence these are fake?
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  1717. Why =NOT= a satellite reentry?
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  1718. Explain, please.
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  1719. I don't believe it. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1720. For your interest, I'm the only Western 'rocket scientist' ever allowed to visit [and return alive from!] NorKor's 'Sohae' satellite launch pad. http://www.jamesoberg.com/norkorsat-retrospective.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/nk/nk1.pdf
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  1721. Bingo.
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  1722. If true.
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  1723. How many previous examples do you want? http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/KYSS-12.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf http://www.jamesoberg.com/ISS_crew_spots_second_russian_rocket_rev_c.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf
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  1724. Can you share any more details, like date, time of day, where you saw it from, and in what direction, please?
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  1725.  @kristinahoerler  - Sister of the Italian kids promoting faked space recordings.
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  1726. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  1727. moon race in hindsight,,, http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  1728.  @bardistass  -- Could be. Let's try to find out which it is. Which stories about secret recordings of dying cosmonauts do you find most intriguing?
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  1729.  @bardistass  -- Once and awhile you also meet people with deep backgrounds in the relevant technical fields, who write about these topics for the public, and want to find better ways of expressing and explaining their own evidence, and get enthusiastic disagreements from people of opposing views, so as to modify their own as needed, and better describe them. They produce and post for discussion reports such as these: "Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia radio-eavesdropping brothers any more" http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1730.  @bardistass  -- suit yourself. Knee-jerk ego-defense is strongest among those with the poorest judgment. When you want to confront counter-arguments like a grown-up, drop me a line.
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  1731.  Rios Salvajes  [chuckle] Thanks. You want to see fireworks, drop in on some other youtube sites promoting this crap and post my links, see the firestorm of outrage of people whose egos are in full defense mode against the notion they were eager victims of long-ago-exposed scam. . [grin]
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  1732.  Rios Salvajes  -- I get lot of help, and alert warnings, from friends old and new, known and unknown.....
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  1733. Tom -- It was another test in this series -- weird-looking for sure. : http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/171226_kyss.pdf
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  1734. Whatever. This was still a satellite reentry.
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  1735. Where are any real witnesses to his alleged nasty comment? A guy says that another guy said that another guy said HE said such-and-such isn't persuasive in a court of law... or common sense, seems to me.
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  1736. Sad part is, in his later years he began telling wilder and wilder stories to recreate the media attention he had come to need after he washed out of Apollo training. This 'treasure map' is far from the weirdest story he would tell anybody who would listen.
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  1737.  @r.6731  -- Please help me, then. Show me exactly where, with evidence, OK?
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  1738.  @kevinpittman2517  -- [sigh] I'll say it again. I get this reaction a lot from nutters who have no rational response to my debunking reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html, and I'm not offended -- considering the looniness and outright scams many of the tinfoil hatters promote, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T consider me their arch-enemy. Anybody willing to try and point out specific factual and logical flaws in these reports is graciously invited to have their say. Their decades-long silence on this simple challenge is eloquent indeed.
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  1739. new book about the controversy: very nice review here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/02/18/what-really-kept-american-women-from-going-to-space-for-so-long/#5ae2fbc25e8a
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  1740. Tragic loss of innocence as you get duped so easily.
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  1741. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1742. If you found out thisstory was deliberate manipulation of dubious rumors, not actual history, would you also be a little peeved to have been played?
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  1743. Tiff, so what did I get wrong, please? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1744. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1745. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  1746.  @stephenkeebler732  -- Wow, where was that being built? Thanks! I'd never heard of a Nazi plan for their own aircraft carrier.
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  1747. Are you confusing that with Nedelin dying because of the ICBM blast in 1960?
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  1748. Lights on the ocean surface, get a friggin' clue.
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  1749.  @nguxurr9667  }. How. Do. You. Know?
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  1750.  @nguxurr9667  = "..ask any person with knowledgĺe about this topic. .." = You're claiming that includes you, I'm inquiring on what basis you have demonstrated such knowledge. Do you even know what Earth's escape velocity is?
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  1751.  @nguxurr9667  -- So where did you get your expertise? The 'Junior Rocket Scientist' decoder ring that you got in the mail after sending in two breakfast cereal box tops?
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  1752. The signals were pretty much all hoaxes by the Italian kids.
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  1753. Why not start a fund to buy him a ticket on a Virgin Galactic or Bezos spaceship flight next year, or even petition them to offer him free ticket as a publicity stunt? I'm good for a $100 pledge, let's get this rolling.
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  1754. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  1755. #4 from NASA was a routine external tank jettison from a shuttle launch. There frequently was a weird white object drifting by that was the ice sheath off the ET to Orbiter cryogenic fuel feed line, always soon after tank jettison.
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  1756.  @ThilakSenavirathna  -- Cool. The video in question still shows an ice sheath detached from the fuel line port in the shuttle's belly.
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  1757.  @deepthoughts8393  -- Did you see that, or just dream it?
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  1758. Check again It doesn't say ResniCk.
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  1759. That's still in doubt. Had Komarov known that, and since his flight plan included a space linkup and transfer of two other cosmonauts to his ship for landing on Earth together , he would have been intentionally dooming them to death as well. Not likely. And Russian cosmonaut funerals often don't have open caskets, especially Komarov's and Gagarin's. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1760. Missile. Get a clue.
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  1761. Where can we see that report?
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  1762. Dwight's presence in the test pilot school was an inspiration for many black pilots to follow his lead, and one of them, Charles Bolden, became NASA Director after serving as an astronaut. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction. As for the claimed comment by Yeager, Dwight says he heard it from a fellow student who said he heard it from an instructor who said he heard it from Yeager [who denies making it] -- the kind of multi-hand hearsay that would never be allowed in court or in a principled newspaper], nobody seems to have found any first or second hand witnesses, and Dwight went on to graduate with his classmates before getting a major test pilot leadership command in his original military branch. He set a sky-high standard that motivated many follow-on black pilots to strive to excel and surpass, so we're all grateful for his service and his post-service cultural contributions.
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  1763. Greed and malice, probably.
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  1764. The poor guy was thrown into the public spotlight for JFK' political advantages, and I don't doubt he was assured by the White House that they would get him selected. And he makes it clear that the publicity campaigns they scheduled him on did significantly distract from his studies and flight time [in his autobiography he blames his lower ratings on Yeager for giving permission to take most weekends off, supposedly with the malicious intent of having those trips lower his performance, which he admits they did]. He played an honorable role as an inspiration to the next generation, but that seems poor consolation for his dashed hopes
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  1765. Ground observations of Zuma booster flares, Jan 8, 2018 http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  1766. It was the Italian kids' sister helping in the hoax.
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  1767. You mean SNAILS?
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  1768. And couldn't you just be a careless victim of an old, old hoax?
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  1769. these reentries are warned in advance but exactly where along the final track is impossible to predict because the descent path is so shallow. The 'Aerospace Corporation' in the US puts out alert messages.
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  1770. Landing on the moon and getting back alive was abnormal Golly, the missions were real, get a life. .
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  1771.  @Jan_Strzelecki  - very likely. and if they had ANY foresight about how many idiots as yet unborn would wind up accusing them of faking what they've just laid their lives on the line to risk, they would have looked even MORE glum.
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  1772. Evidence? Dreams don't count.
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  1773.  @AboxofMonsters  [grin] You made the claim so the 'onus probandi' is on =YOU= unless you want to withdraw the claim and slink away.... That often happens.
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  1774.  @AboxofMonsters  --!!!!!!! ?
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  1775. Old rumors, debunked decades ago. Please don't trust internet myth-mongers.
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  1776. It's super sad how easily people can be tricked into believing that against all the evidence.
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  1777. NASA and its team members have been epochally OPEN AND HONEST explainers of what they do and what they discover, so the nutters hate them for not playing along with the UFO fairy tales that internet hucksters are pushing into feeble brains of their target audience of eager-believer nitwits. You're a stranger in the Space Age, unaware of its authentic marvels, clueless, oblivious, and ignorant, just pretending you’re smarter than others but clearly painting yourself as a foolish self-deceiver -- I feel sorry for YOU. Do you want help or do you LIKE it that way?
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  1778.  @2009heyhow  == I was the author.
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  1779.  @2009heyhow  "We can never know what goes on in someone's head or replay what he or she saw. " == Not on an individual basis, yes. But in terms of a population of witnesses, we can assess how known stimuli generate a wide range of perceptions. Along those lines, I think that unexpected missile/space apparitions can accidentally provide an effective 'double-blind test' to calibrate perceptual processes. Here are some example results: The perception of a structured object with a sharp silhouette and glowing windows is a repeatable, common reaction to a night-time fireball swarm which moves horizontally. Examples: a meteor disintegrating or several aircraft with landing lights. The compelling proof of this possible explanation has been provided by satellite reentries that sometimes serendipitously create the same visual stimulus -- and the same witness misinterpretation -- all around the world, as shown here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf MISSILE FREAK-OUT IN CALIFORNIA [NOV 7, 2015] http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf Nov 07, 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/151107-cali_slbm_witness_analysis.pdf
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  1780.  @2009heyhow -- Aw, shucks. It's been a specialized career field with a few exotic adventures, but hardly heroic. Glad to share what I found out..... and what I can only suspect. [grin]
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  1781. Please seek help.
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  1782. What covered-up NASA failed mission[s]?
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  1783. Hello?
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  1784. What did NASA do wrong, exactly?
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  1785.  @Brixxter  - Exactly. Why don't they teach this basic stuff in school?
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  1786.  @eeefox1  -- Have you caught on yet? We can keep trying.
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  1787. [message garbled?]
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  1788. I dedicated my 1981 book 'Red Star in Orbit' to him. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1789. Other SWLs would also have heard it. Face it -- the audio was a hoax.
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  1790. We understand what you are saying, and we understand you are lying. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1791. That's still in doubt. Had Komarov known that, and since his flight plan included a space linkup and transfer of two other cosmonauts to his ship for landing on Earth together , he would have been intentionally dooming them to death as well. Not likely. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1792. Another possibility is it was a hoax and you're the dupe.
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  1793. == So why would you believe it?
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  1794. I call it 'space dandruff' because it's stuff flaking off the space vehicle itself, otherwise its criss-crossing speed would be far too great to even be seen zipping past. That's what I try to explain in my '99 FAQs'. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html
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  1795. Exactly, after USSR collapsed. spaceflight artifacts/documents were sold by everybody.
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  1796. Your ALLCAPS key is stuck.
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  1797. Good for you. You're heart's in the right place, but you misspelled Judy's name, and the rocket explosion in October 1960 was a military ICBM, not a space vehicle. I've been to the disaster site. But you're well on your way to real insights into these amazing stories, please stay with it.
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  1798. Re Komarov's sacrifice. That's still in doubt. Had Komarov known that, and since his flight plan included a space linkup and transfer of two other cosmonauts to his ship for landing on Earth together , he would have been intentionally dooming them to death as well. Not likely. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1799. Sorry, just another satellite reentry.
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  1800.  @8Anya8  -- iI'm genuinely curious -- what is there abut this video that you think does NOT fit a human spaceflight event explanation?
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  1801.  @8Anya8 -- Thanks for the detailed response, let me get back to you in detail. Definitely a weird video -- but actually more common than you might think.
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  1802.  @8Anya8  -- Debris from the satellite has been recovered.
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  1803.  @8Anya8  == "An explosion would have scattered the pieces in every direction for one thing" == Why? Nobody has claimed there was an explosion, the object broke up as it hit the upper atmosphere, all the separate pieces were moving in the same direction. What gave you the idea there was an explosion?
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  1804. Now Miklos claims Cooper's mythical maps have led him to a crashed UFO on the sea bottom. I'm not making this up. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6035613/Discovery-Channel-treasure-hunter-claims-hes-evidence-extra-terrestrial-visit.html#newcomment
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  1805. 'Laika' MEANS 'barking' in Russian.
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  1806.  @kevinwalker3275  -- Clearly you are worse than clueless – you are delusional – about the motion of orbital objects and the illusions that parallax can create on cameras. There are plenty of websites with introductory-level explanations of this, would you like a few suggestions? All you’re doing now is embarrassing yourself and attracting mockery toward theories of government secrets, many of which strike me as entirely reasonable.
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  1807. Any questions?
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  1808.  @jonjokovich476  -- Большую часть жизни я привыкла к русскому языку. Я всемирно известный историк советской космонавтики. Я всегда ищу новые источники и новых критиков. Мне было 12 лет, когда Спутник определил мой дальнейший жизненный путь.
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  1809. Funny, nobody there saw any landing.
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  1810. Sean, do the math. There's no near-earth-based optical system with the resolving power to detect stuff that small. The fact that you can't seem to realize this, or calculate it yourself, indicates you are pathetically innumerate and were failed by your public school education. Why would you want to show off this incompetence in public?
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  1811.  @seanokeefe703  -- So you can't do the math? There's no Earth-based system even under consideration that has the required resolution power. Lunar orbiters DO, and they HAVE shown the landing sites.
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  1812.  @seanokeefe703  - No.
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  1813. Where did you get the spiral video at 1:00, I've never seen it? Some of the other scenes were Soyuz launches.
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  1814. "In the longer clip of which this is a a snippet, Houston tells the viewing audience that this is the first time use the IR camera. " == There was a unique IR camera at the base of the tether mast, aimed upwards to observe nighttime plasma glows along the tether. These other specific views are in daylight and are from the steerable payload bay monitoring cameras, which were visible light. There were also handheld 70-mm high res photos made by the crew out a window. THOSE images are hidden by the UFO huckster industry because, as the best views available, they undercut the phony fairy tale the UFO hucksters promote. My background and motivation are discussed here, since I realize it’s not intelligence that is the major barrier to public authentic assessment of these scenes – it’s lack of effective awareness of really how unearthly, alien, and counter-intuitive counter-instinctual the new visual space environment really is. That’s why I wrote my “99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos” essay several years ago, based on my 20+ years inside Mission Control in Houston, and my personal fascination with bogus UFO stories associated in the media with space flight. See it here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html:
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  1815.  @ant3334  == Why can't it be ice flakes from a routine waste water dump? That's what the crew and Mission Control believed. How are you smarter?
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  1816.  @ant3334  == I go with the real evidence, not with imaginary friends and miracles. And I always seek evidence where I got it wrong. Thanks for trying.
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  1817.  @ant3334  == Regarding the dots on the tether video -- it's important to realize that this scene was captured four days after the tether broke. That may surprise you because the original poster [Martyn Stubbs] claimed the sequence was uncut. But it's important. Do you believe that four-day-gap fact?
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  1818.  @ant3334  -- Hello?
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  1819.  @ant3334  == Well, please let me know if you come across any really reliable 'space UFO' videos that defy conventional explanation, and I'll give it a shot.
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  1820.  @madcacher1119  -- The dots were small and nearby, as confirmed by the crew eyeballs and by the hi-res 70-mm handheld photos [you have seen those, haven't you?]... If the dots had been two miles across, they would have been seen by millions of people on Earth, as big and bright as the full moon, passing across the day or night sky. They weren't. The 'masking appearance' was a feature of the ruggedized monitoring camera pixels. Ice flakes pulse as they tumble in the sunlight [they were not glowing themselves]. The sun was out.
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  1821.  @madcacher1119  -- Do you accept that the 'swarm' sequence was videotaped four days after the tether snapped and drifted off?
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  1822.  @madcacher1119  -- You've lost me.
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  1823. http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
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  1824.  @madcacher1119  -- Do you accept that the 'swarm' sequence was videotaped four days after the tether snapped and drifted off?
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  1825.  @madcacher1119 -- The facts about the tether/swarm have been available for more than twenty years [spoiler alert -- the dots WERE out-of-focus ice flakes]: http://www.rense.com/general/stsd.htm The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully woefully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Not unusual behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other vehicle gas releases [airlock, waste water dump, sublimator spray, coolant leak, and more], affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the vehicle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine waste water dump [excess water from the fuel cells, mostly] . [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. The handheld images, and videos of the tether in the hours before and after the ‘swarm’ appearance, can be found at links here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU . Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the nearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  1826.  @MrPatriickzz  -- "You talk down on people." == Telling folks they've been easy marks for internet scams [and providing proof] is 'talking down'? " Hurt your feelings? Get back at me by finding and documenting any logical/factual flaws In my reports.
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  1827.  @MrPatriickzz  == "All your answers are also very similar. " == Typical assertions by UFO buffs tend to be pretty similar. Universe is so big! All contrary testimony is lies! We only need to be correct ONCE! Yawn.
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  1828.  @MrPatriickzz  == "And how would we be able to see it from here? The moon ain't 2 miles wide. And all those "particles" next to each other wouldn't get close to the size of the moon. 3500 km? 2 miles is nothing compared to that." == Sorry, I'm not following your argument.
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  1829.  @MrPatriickzz  == "What's wrong with believing in UFO's? " Nothing at all, it's believing that people in the space program are liars, deceivers, terrified tongue-tied mouth-gagged pawns? Planetary traitors. I know these people, I was one of them. That's beyond simply 'wrong', untrue or unfair, in my view it's vicious libel without any supportive evidence, maybe just to make eager-believers feel intellectually and ethically superior to 'rocket scientists'. Shame on you.
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  1830. Linda Moulton Howe? Linda Moulton Howe????????????? 'Nuff said.
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  1831. Cooper got old and sick, people should have left him in his privacy instead of exploiting his loss of faculties.
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  1832. Where's the evidence for NASA racial bias? While in the USAF "Aerospace Research Test Pilot" school [NOT an 'astronaut school'] Dwight came up before the NASA 'Group 3' astronaut review board in 3rdQ 1963, the top 2 students [of ~15] were picked by NASA [Dave Scott and Ted Freeman]. Dwight admits his evaluation scores weren't that high due to all the weekends away that the White House demanded he do speaking tours stead of studying / practicing. He thought he deserved a pass on his lower grades because the White House wanted him picked no matter what, for symbolic reasons, and because he insisted top-skill test pilots weren't needed anyway since the capsules were continuously remotely-controlled from Houston anyway [which wasn't actually accurate]. The class ended as scheduled in December and the students dispersed to test pilot related assignments, as always planned.
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  1833. Only at twilight -- want examples?
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  1834. In the 'National Enquirer', maybe.
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  1835. Just maintain high levels of situational awareness, like spotting money dropped on sidewalks. Opportunities will keep offering themselves, but you have to notice. And act.
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  1836. Paris, hello?
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  1837.  @christineparis5607  : "I actually know a couple of astronauts and people that work at NASA," == Are you gonna share what they told you about 'UFO secrets' or were you just bluffing?
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  1838.  @christineparis5607  ==Thanks for establishing your credibility. You've probably seen a few dozen folks on these comment threads boasting that some never-to-be-named astronaut had whispered UFO secrets to them in some dark hall somewhere. I remember his mission well, when during launch one of the three main engines was shut down by a faulty sensor and they had to limp into a lower [but still safe] orbit. Flight controller Jenny Howard, one of my friends, saved the mission [and probably their lives] by preventing the same sensor fault from shutting down a second engine. How does what he told you contribute to the subject of the video under discussion, which I've concluded is bogus, and insulting to the astronauts it accuses of falsifying and concealing their flight experiences.
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  1839.  @christineparis5607  -- Back at you..... too many people are getting to twisted up in internet spats these days. Watch the skies, and share all the strange stuff you see... I try to, also.
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  1840. Low angle entries can look the same, see 'Chelyabinsk meteor".
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  1841.  @looije66  -- No. Satellites skim the upper atmosphere at Mach 25 as their orbits decay, they fly nearly horizontally as they burn, at least at first, for several minutes. Definitely freaks out viewers who expect 'falling stuff' to fall DOWN.
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  1842. Why are you so easy to scam? During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf There could be real ETI observing -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1843. Bad guess. #4 from NASA was a routine external tank jettison from a shuttle launch. There frequently was a weird white object drifting by that was the ice sheath off the ET to Orbiter cryogenic fuel feed line, always soon after tank jettison.
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  1844.  @simon-zh3qb  -- The other ones are cloaked? Whose are they?
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  1845. Thanks for sharing. I'm a spaceflight historian and the astronaut Cooper angle is bogus, the old guy was deep into Parkinson's dementia and told any story he knew his visitors wanted, for the company, after losing all his money on bogus investment schemes he'd fallen victim to. . My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1846. So what did I get wrong, please? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1847. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation.
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  1848. "Nah same thing happened over Russia last week" -- I thought they had space rockets too. Was I misinformed?
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  1849.  @AV-so1du  == " this should be a common sight by now right?'" == Surprise! It's been seen since the early Space Age, sorry you're so clueless.
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  1850. Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  1851. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  1852.  @jaedynnnn  -- Thanks. Anything to make us all appreciate that struggle [and the participation of people of good well of all races] better seems proper to me. Exact incidents and context sometimes get garbled, but the overall picture Is still as awful as it ought to look.
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  1853. According to what verifiable historical source, please? What about his height?
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  1854. ​ @itsme7819  == "the source is the man speaking himself." == Not the 'source'. Dwight said he heard it from a student who said he'd heard it from an instructor who said he'd heard it from Yeager. I don't doubt Dwight's account of what he personally heard. But any court of law or ethical scholar or competent journalist wouldn't TOUCH a third-hand hearsay allegation without more direct sourcing.
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  1855.  @itsme7819  -- I'm a big fan of jokes, even irreverent ones, but this narrative has encouraged more toxic inter-racial attitudes to a daunting degree so I'd rather see it treated seriously, not emotionally as the purveyors of the story clearly intend by their delivery style.
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  1856.  @imblue9839  -- If you can't supply the name of a real witness to Yeager's alleged comment, just admit it, don't cover your inability to do so with personal attacks of your own. It might really undermine your credibility among readers.
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  1857. Maybe not dumb, but plenty ignorant, perhaps?
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  1858. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  1859. https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/14/nasa-debunks-another-ufo-video/
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  1860. We should dismiss it as a fake for far better reasons.
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  1861. Here you are: http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1_e_WYbrB2FE6eR14UPQa3g-AsJ-wM7ys2owJFyqnE4g_JgvUysBoay-k
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  1862. You're kidding, right?
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  1863. Fake.
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  1864. Cooper said a lot of weird stuff when he got old and sick, are we supposed to believe it all? Sadly, he was well along into Parkinson's by then, a terrible malady often accompanied by delusions and false memories. The guy was a true hero and earned his adulation, and he deserved his late-in-life privacy -- but the con men and exploiters circled like vultures to make money off his weakened mind and his desperate loneliness. Shameful. Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  1865. We've never been able to verify that anybody was killed in the N1 program, want to help with deeper research?
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  1866. In your dreams. your questions answered here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  1867. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  1868. Please try to catch up with the debate: 2007: Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more //www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1869. As you pointed out, the key feature is =NOT= the chaser flying faster, but in having a shorter catch-up distance to cover. Further context:: http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/27/17491180-space-station-shifts-its-orbit-to-make-speedy-crew-rendezvous-possible?lite http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/28/17503284-revised-ride-to-space-station-may-be-faster-but-its-also-less-comfortable?lite http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Soyuz_launch_4.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/181203-soyuz_launch.pdf
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  1870.  @scottmanley  -- Exactly. In Mission Control , the rule of thumb, the rate per orbit is 10 X the difference in altitude, first hack.
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  1871.  @scottmanley  -- I get by with a lot of help from friends old and new
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  1872. Has your view of NASA's Apollo program changed?
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  1873.  @guilhermerls2272  -- What does that video claim to show?
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  1874.  @guilhermerls2272  == Documentary? If Greer was involved, it can be better described as a 'crockumentary'. Sad.
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  1875.  @guilhermerls2272  -- He has a great imagination. From my own experience, I conclude his stories about spaceflight UFO events are delusional. I've met him. Seems entirely sincere.
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  1876.  @guilhermerls2272  -- Always subject to revision or abandonment based on new facts and logic. I'm actually HAPPY to be found to be mistaken so I can fix it. And it's happened.
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  1877. @Rangus == I get this reaction a lot from nutters who have no rational response to my debunking reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html, and I'm not offended -- considering the looniness and outright scams many of the tinfoil hatters promote, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T consider me their arch-enemy. Anybody willing to try and point out specific factual and logical flaws in these reports is graciously invited to have their say. Their decades-long silence on this simple challenge is eloquent indeed.
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  1878. ​ @hubertcumberdale2570  -- What about the subject of THIS video, please stop dodging. The Apollo-11 moon UFO stories are bogus, why can't you face that? Re your own experience: "How would you explain that?" == I wish you had reported it to some national registry, it's important to document such experiences quickly. Any attempt explanation now is utterly hopeless. Now I've answered your question, please answer mine about the Aldrin story.
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  1879.  @AaronShuppDotCom  -- You can get what you wish for, if you can point to specific factual flaws in these reports. But facing this reality-based challenge, you'll probably be the one to shut up and slink away quietly. During the Apollo-11 moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf ===
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  1880.  @bennyd8343  -- surfing internet UFO huckster website doesn't count as 'research'. Why are you so pitifully gullible to their hoaxes?
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  1881.  @bennyd8343  = ""Can you please explain that?"" == Don't change the subject. Aldrin's supposed story is the topic of this video. Suddenly you don't want to have to provide evidence for that?
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  1882.  @bennyd8343  == "you are speaking as if alien life doesn’t exist based off this video and all I’m doing is disagreeing." -== By no means. I am arguing that the narrative of Aldrin seeing UFOs on A;pollo-11 is totally bogus, has been debunked decades ago, and is still being spread on the internet by hucksters to delude gullible simpletons. His comment on the rock on Phobos was reference to surprises that space exploration delivers. I hope this makes it more clear.
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  1883.  @bennyd8343  == ""there are multiple astronauts who have seen weird shit like that not just buzz"" == Yes, that's what the internet hucksters claim, but they mostly make it up because they know their target audiences will swallow it. Even astronauts like Mitchell and Cooper who believed some stories were real, were very cler, NOTHING like that was encountered on space missions. Videos of ice flakes outside shuttles also don't qualify as alien visitors. You've been scammed.
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  1884.  @bennyd8343  == "not just buzz" == Not =EVEN= Buzz, please get a grip.
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  1885.  @bennyd8343  == "this one documentary" == You mean the video on this youtube post?
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  1886. == "they tried to debunk it " == Pleese be specific, WHAT did they try to debunk? What claim?
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  1887.  @bennyd8343  == "I still believe buzz". As do I. I just don't believe the internet UFO hucksters who have distorted or entirely fabricated 'quotations' attributed to him. Buzz does not think he -- or ANY astronaut -- encountered UFOs in space. Nor does he think NASA is hiding secrets of alien structures on Mars or anywhere else. How hard is that to understand?
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  1888.  @bennyd8343  == "multiple claims and multiple videos." == Which specific spaceflight-related UFO stories are you referring to?
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  1889.  @bennyd8343  == How about we discuss the specifics over on that video link?
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  1890.  @bennyd8343  == I'm always looking for folks to provide evidence that indicates I need to modify my assessments on particular events.
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  1891. ...created by the Mach 20 atmospheric impact of the descending rocket stage, all totally normal.
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  1892. Is illusion, actually.
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  1893. Big 'if'.....
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  1894.  @spacecatboy2962  -- How about you read what a black pilot wrote about his service with Yeager? : http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  1895.  @StaySqueezy12  -- OK, you're gonna judge him by the color of his skin, go right ahead. But don't forget the entire reason West Virginia is a state -- they seceded from confederate Richmond to fight on the Federal side of the Civil War.
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  1896. The new worldwide excitement over formerly-secret 'alien music' during a moon mission  is another in a series of artificial 'news' items manufactured by an internet media industry devoted to generating website visits through sensational headlines that are created by stories based on deliberately incomplete and garbled versions of events connected with exploiting public interest in great achievements of the past.  I can't figure out the exact proportion of cynical misrepresentation and callous incompetence and smug character assassination in the editorial policy, but all seem to be involved. Since experience has shown it is a successful business model for making money off the Internet, we can expect more of it, and worse, in the future.   This particular panic is created by concealing fundamental features of the event, such as the highly significant fact that the 'space music' weird noises [described that way because of the eerie sound track of some science fiction movies of the 1960s] occurred during formation flying by the Apollo 'Command Module' and the 'Lunar Module' landing vehicle, as the astronauts talked by radio from ship to ship. The noises were clearly some sort of interference between the two radios separated by tens of kilometers, and they were heard again on the following mission, Apollo-11, as described by Michael Collins in his book 'Carrying the Fire' a few years later.   Allegations that information about the events was covered up by astronauts or by NASA is a dishonest editorial gimmick to excite readers with "new" insider information that was up until now "forbidden" by powerful officials. This is false. The noises were discussed in real time by the astronauts over radio links that were broadcast live, and in more detail by the crew during debriefings back on Earth -- as they should have been, as a fundamental safety principle of examining all anomalies for indications of threatening malfunctions. This is the same pattern as the crew carefully describing anything seen outside their vehicle, as potential in indicators of vehicle damage or leakage, and there were so many reports of insulation fragments, ice flakes from fuel and water spills, and debris from pyrotechnic jettisons, that engineers humorously named them 'moon pigeons' in a report on how to analyze them, published in 1970 [some media reports even at the time often suggested these were space aliens following the astronauts,  a view that has reached epidemic scale in the modern internet era].      http://www.jamesoberg.com/moonpigeons.html http://news.discovery.com/adventure/explaining-the-apollo-10-astronauts-space-music-160222.htm
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  1897. It was the Italian kids' sister helping in the hoax.
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  1898. Satisfied now? Program cancelled. The whole 'space treasure map' story was bogus from the start. Total hoax aimed at nitwits, and you guys seem to have bulls-eyes painted on your foreheads.
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  1899. -- The analysis wasn't to copy the design, it was to assess the fabrication technology [alloys, electronics, fuels, etc] which also went into military missiles and warheads from the same factories, to provide reliable estimates of how powerful the ICBM warheads might be. .
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  1900.  @jeff-wo6mm  == Let's find out what facts we agree on, and then examine where we disagree, based on what verified evidence. There =WAS= a rocket stage left in orbit after the successful launch a few weeks ago, right? And it did not perform the normal 'death dive' into the open ocean like usual. And it was being tracked every day by US radars. OK so far?
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  1901.  @jeff-wo6mm  -- Thanks for your thoughtful insights. Sounds like we're closer than first appeared, and that whatever provisional assessments we've each reached, we agree that more investigation of some still-unexplained events is needed. Being distracted by dead ends needs to be minimized. Don't be a stranger, bro.
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  1902. Nincompoops Adore Space Aliens, is that you? Could be real ETI -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. These tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1903. Help me out -- what are the factual errors in my event report? Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  1904. You do realize it was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you?
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  1905. Here's the full report on why the Apollo-11 UFO stories are bogus. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf
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  1906. Ты согласен? Это была ракета. У тебя они тоже есть.
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  1907. Which astronaut space aliens story do you like most?
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  1908. They're not around the tether, they're right outside the shuttle.
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  1909. Why NOT?
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  1910. If you mean 2009, yes -- and that was a rocket too, want the evidence?
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  1911. "since that voice on your recording is definately a woman in distress i myself do not think there's much doubt about that - the question is WHAT WAS IT'S CIRCUMSTANCES. " == Thoughtful comments, but you might better check your assumptions since the source of the recording is universally considered bogus by spaceflight historians. And the Soviets flew women occasionally but only for specific propaganda stunts to impress gullible westerners…. These are wonderful topics both for speculation AND for genuine citizen-researcher investigations.
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  1912. Falcon9 second stage demise [steered deorbit burn failed]. Also video from Khabarovsk and Harbin. https://youtu.be/N9xBBVjGbIg
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  1913. Old hoax, debunked decades ago.
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  1914.  @fatbuddycat  - [grin] Always ask, 'cui bono'. That's a good start for ANY source [including me].
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  1915.  @fatbuddycat  -- How come this site gets so many hits? Where is it linked from?
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  1916. @Keanu Threeves -- Think again. South America is halfway around the globe from China, it's where Chinese and Japanese rockets OFTEN relight their engines to stair-step into a higher orbit. Please catch up.
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  1917. o-jack, thanks for the very helpful and well-informed contribution.
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  1918. Another possibility is it was a hoax and you're the dupe.
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  1919.  @Papershields001 -- Fair enough. Fortunately we didn't have to trust Khrushchev or the CPSU, we had access to the personal papers of top officials such as Mishin and Kamanin when their families, bankrupt and starving in the post-USSR mid-1990s, sold them via Sotheby's for survival funding.
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  1920.  @Papershields001  -- "His story and the decades upon decades the Soviets tried to hide it l".... But it's NOT 'HIS story', it a story ABOUT him that sprang up from the swamp of Moscow rumors of that era. As more and more photographic and cine records came out, it was a laborious but straightforward process to identify all he original 20 space trainees, spot the ones who dropped out [and why], and where their images had been erased from released propaganda photos. There was no ROOM for a 21st trainee like Ilyushin or anyone else. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  1921.  @Papershields001  -- Nobody working deeply with Soviet-era sources has any right to be confident about anything. Everybody's taken their turn at guessing wrong. There are still discussion groups about historical mysteries, on the internet, seems like you'd be a good recruit to pitch into the pot.
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  1922.  @Papershields001  -- Here's where it started: http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf The old guys are dying off. Your kind of passion is needed.
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  1923. Rockets rise a few tens of miles and then tilt over horizontally to reach orbit, find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  1924.  @oraciorobles3328  -- Get a clue.
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  1925. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex.
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  1926. jim oberg 1 month ago (edited) Here are two reports on the wildest grocery store weekly tabloid fairy tales about the mission, that folks might want to share around and post links to on forums where they pop up to mislead kids. The first is the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf The Apollo missions were flown just like they said, and these fairy tales are aimed at a target audience of eager-believer nincompoops by website operators making money off of hits from a victim crowd whose intelligence they have contempt for, and justifiably so.
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  1927. Dramatic event, secret for many years - - well explained, thanks!
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  1928. New gullible victims to this old hoax keep showing off their 'fake insight' all over the internet. How old are you?
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  1929.  @wsbill14224  == ""We may never know"" == Don't be so pessimistic, learn to use your brain. The Ilyushin story was fabricated from the start and is reborn in the internet age by cynical hucksters relying on a new generation of gullible nitwits eager to fall for the latest faked 'secrets'. .. and 'taught' [I use the word loosely] in schools that promote the idea that if anybody's feeling are hurt by being wrong [like in math], the universe should accommodate an infinite number of conflicting realities, one or more per person, each one who can always feel 'right'.
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  1930. Debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  1931. Miklos was laughing all the way to the bank.....
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  1932. We now know. There actually weren't any. Please don't be disappointed.
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  1933.  @MrJdsenior  [grin] Free expertise is worth every kopeck you pay for it.
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  1934.  @MrJdsenior  -- You might still find this worth the read: http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  1935. There were lots of rumors, some plausible. In hindsight, none checked out -- as historians had showed by 1975.
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  1936. Some rumors were consistent with ground observations of the second stage performing the deorbit burn in an unusual manner, see my report http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/zuma_vs_falcon9-stage2_clouds_plumes_overview.pdf
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  1937. The astronauts never met aliens out there, that's a good reason not to mention it. Those are fairy tales fabricated by internet hucksters aimed at gullible nitwits. A lot of you guys seem to have bulls-eyes painted on your foreheads. Even astronauts who think there ARE real UFOs agree the NASA-related stories are spurious.
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  1938. Brunot, my 1999 article in IEEE Spectrum on this failure won a national science journalism award, and I'm reworking it as a book chapter. I'd love to talk with you about your personal insights into the process. jameseoberg@comcast.net
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  1939. Blimp, get a clue, criminy!
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  1940. Another possibility is it was a hoax and you're the dupe.
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  1941. Fair point.
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  1942. Thoughtful response, thanks. After Soviet collapse, with the space industry in ruins and veterans starving, they came forward to sell everything -- artifacts, documents, diaries, all the previously hidden stuff. ALL of it -- Sotheby's even had two big auctions of space hardware. Everybody wanted to sell their stories, to save their families from starvation or medical crises. Private historians got to go to places and see hardware and read logbooks once hidden for the entire duration of the USSR -- which collapsed in 1990. I was there. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  1943.  @kyleamerica5522  == You seem eager to believe the lying internet UFO hucksters.
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  1944.  @kyleamerica5522  == "Slow moving"? How far away do you think they were, and how did you measure it?
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  1945.  @kyleamerica5522  == "looks to be a few thousand feet possibly but not much more" == How have you actually validated the "looks-to-me" method of range determination?
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  1946.  @kyleamerica5522  == "living next to an airport and having friends that are pilots they agree" == That's just perfect. So everything artificial you've ever seen in the sky is at the range of airplanes? Pilot experience is to assess potential hazards from nearby objects, it's how they're trained -- and how they SHOULD interpret ambiguous objects. . Better safe than sorry.
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  1947.  @kyleamerica5522  == I tried to post links to a recent report of mine, on your youtube home page DISCUSSION folder.
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  1948.  @kyleamerica5522  == Triangulation from the Oct 24 Maui fireball swarm showed it was 40 miles up. That's the normal altitude of satellite reentry fireballs.
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  1949.  @kyleamerica5522  -- I tried, but youtube has a quota of allowed URL postings....
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  1950. 'Facts' aren't part of this video's message to voters.
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  1951. I've done it, it was ice flakes hit by a thruster pulse.
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  1952. Correct about the cause. But don't underestimate the looniness of many fellow Floridians: Florida Twilight Phenomenon of Atlas V 551 Rocket Launch of MUOS-4, Sep 2, 2015, 6.22 AM: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/190502-ksc-2015sep02.pdf
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  1953. Spasibo. Sovsem pravilno.
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  1954. Does Russia ever launch space rockets?
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  1955. I posted links a year ago presenting the evidence these recordings were hoaxed, and were debunked decades ago. Scan down this comment thread for my name.
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  1956. No, we're reality-based.
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  1957. It's even possible you're a nitwit falling for a long-debunked hoax.
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  1958. It seems you are gullible nincompoop for Internet hoaxes.
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  1959. Erik, what's the prob?
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  1960. Maybe. These videos are still just normal non-alien spaceflight scenes.
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  1961. Hoax, indeed. the italian brothers and their dubious claims http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  1962. Why can't it be a Trident missile, do you think?
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  1963.  @widget3672  -- Can I use the entire essay as a FAQ response? What credit line?
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  1964.  @widget3672  -- btw you might enjoy this: "Giant motherships" of misperception: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf
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  1965. So how do you determine a NASA claim is untrue? What's your favorite such false claim, and where's the evidence it's false?
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  1966.  @IcyBandicoot  == I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement [I was a real 'rocket scientist'] I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  1967. These moon-UFO fairy tales are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at nitwits. Are you a target? http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1968.  @dickfitswell3437  == In this case, not stupid at all. If you've fallen for the moon UFO fairy tales and the 'NASA aliens coverup' meme. maybe just a little foolish. These moon-UFO myths are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at helplessly gullible nitwits. Here's a lecture on these bogus tales that I delivered at Space Center Houston for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations last year. http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1969.  @harveyquinn3535  == "uh huh sure bud" == What are you disagreeing with me about? I can offer evidence if you'd like.
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  1970.  @harveyquinn3535  -- What do you imagine Aldrin did say?
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  1971.  @itss_edits9868  == So what? This is an entirely different story, which is still NOT a 'UFO'.
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  1972. Also fake, aimed at credulous nitwits. Bulls-eye!!
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  1973. = " We are not stupid nasa." -- Well, as Forrest Gump said, 'Stupid is as stupid does'. People who think a scrap of insulation or a loose bolt or an ice chip are actually cleverly camouflaged alien spacecraft don't seem to me to have elevators going all the way to the top, either.
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  1974. The tapes were exposed as a hoax fifty years ago. Want the evidence?
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  1975. https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/14/nasa-debunks-another-ufo-video/
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  1976. It's always possible, but THESE stories were contrived stunts by the Italian kids, from the start.
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  1977. Dushas is correct. That was just one fairy tale from the early days, debunked decades ago. Please catch up.
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  1978. There could be real ETI observing -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  1979. Day versus night videos.
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  1980.  @neilhamill318  == "You think their going to expose the systems capabilities over space junk." == Earth to Neil! Satellite imminent reentries are forecast in advance by space tracking teams, all the time. This one was, too.
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  1981.  @neilhamill318  -- Don't you believe me?
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  1982.  @neilhamill318  == You need to familiarize yourself with the real-word uncertainties of satellite reentry prediction. Even an hour before reentry the exact point can't be predicted because of short-term variation in upper atmospheric density and more important, wide variation in air drag as the object randomly tumbles. .It could come in tens of thousands of miles short of, or long past, even the latest possible predicted point. Very unlike military warheads which come in at a far steeper angle in known orientation.
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  1983.  @azncs11  -- The first one was the satellite reentry. Anything later was just unrelated bonus.
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  1984. - How? At the school, Dwight made no secret of his attitude that the President personally wanted him picked as an astronaut. On weekends when all other students were doing practice flying and studying and make-up labs, Dwight was on commercial flights all over the country giving speeches on behalf of the White House. Dwight's exact words in an interview: " [other students said to themselves] . The real deal is that that cat is gonna be the only one of us that's gonna go to the moon. If the President has his way, he's the only one of us that's gonna go! So we better be his friend.’” https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=astronaut%20ed%20dwight&epa=SEARCH_BOX
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  1985. Nasty hoax, though.
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  1986.  @purplehaze2250  -- Thanks for explaining. The issue that seemed to bother Yeager was that the justifiable criteria that were performance-related were to be set aside. Dwight was caught in the middle, with White House demands for national speaking tours while he was still a Test Pilot School student., which he admits did lower his performance scores relative to the other students. And another factor -- which I think you'll notice was totally omitted in recent press coverage -- was that he happened to be three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module [where the crew flew it standing up while looking out a small face-level window, and used ceiling-mounted navigation instruments]. Sure, he could have used a stool, but what sort of public image would that have portrayed? Soon after he was passed over by NASA, another black pilot, Robert Lawrence, passed all the criteria and was formally selected as an astronaut for the USAF. Besides, Dwight has recently made it clear he is NOT blaming Yeager. Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Also: Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58 Maybe the issue is less black-and-white than the media seems to want to make it look? PS -- I was in uniform in those days, here's me [the tall guy] with my AF officer candidate class and astronaut Gordon Cooper in Feb 1963. http://www.jamesoberg.com/image/cooper-oberg-feb-1963.jpg
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  1987.  @rein2430  -- You need to open your eyes and mind to the reality of what rockets flying normally really look like, otherwise your silly ravings will keep inviting mockery onto truly religious people. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  1988. Where did you get the idea that aliens accompanied the Apollo flights to the Moon, the 'National Enquirer'?
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  1989. Science Fiction Theatre?
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  1990. Yes, and all the originating states acknowledged responsibility and paid compensation. Until now. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  1991.  @conclaveluminis  -- Thanks for the reply and the reasonable questions. As for compensation, it would cover expenses of the emergency services which responded as well as funding for a more thorough search to locate and retrieve additional debris, especially from agricultural regions where it could interfere with harvesting machinery.
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  1992.  @conclaveluminis  -- Your question opened a very productive and informative process, thank you again. From https://www.aerosociety.com/news/space-debris-the-legal-issues/#:~:text=The%20activity%20of%20removing%20space,be%20liable%20for%20damage%20caused. The [launching state] could be held to be liable for damage caused by the [debris] under Article VII of the Outer Space Treaty: “Each State Party […] that launches or procures the launching of an object into outer space […] and each State Party from whose territory or facility an object is launched, is internationally liable for damage to another State Party to the Treaty […] by such object or its component parts on the Earth, in air space or in outer space.” Article VII is elaborated in the Liability Convention of 1972. This sets up a liability regime according to which “launching States” are liable for damage caused by debris generated by private entities for which such States are responsible. The liability regime is two-fold depending on where the damage occurred. (a) If the damage is caused on the surface of the Earth or to aircraft in flight, the simple proof of causality of damage is sufficient, regardless of proving fault. (b) If the damage is caused to the space object of another State in outer space, the fault of the entity for whom the launching State is responsible must be proven. NOW -- the legal liability is limited to signatories to the treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty … and Ivory Coast did NOT sign the treaty. So liability is only moral, but not legally binding. Thank you for allowing me to clear this up. www.jamesoberg.com
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  1993.  @conclaveluminis  -- Thoughtful comments, deserving serious consideration, thank you.
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  1994. -- What's your link's connection to this video of a rocket launch from the Cape?
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  1995. The whole 'space treasure map' story was bogus from the start. Total hoax aimed at nitwits, and you seem to have a bulls-eye painted on your forehead.
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  1996. Please get a real life.
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  1997. Why would anybody suspect that? Seriously?
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  1998. Erroneous Thinking ?
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  1999. What' your certified mental age?
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  2000. A hoax by the brothers for fame, fortune, and hot dates from Italian starlets. Suspected from the beginning, confirmed decades ago, resurrected in the youtube age by cynical exploiters of gullible nincompoops. Want the evidence that Joe Scott is hiding from you?
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  2001. Thanks for the insightful observations. There were rumors about secret Soviet space flights [and fatalities] in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked [the Bondarenko fire in March 1961 immediately gave rise to misinterpretations it was on a secret launch]. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  2002. Amen.
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  2003. Spot on. Historians recognized it as a hoax in the last century. The Internet is the 'worldwide web of lies.
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  2004. So how do you determine a NASA claim is untrue? What's your favorite such false claim, and where's the evidence it's false?
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  2005.  @carloswilson44  -- Absolutely. Our side has successfully used 'UFO reports' from the USSR for valuable technical intelligence assessment, in the past. Example: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/soviet_1967_wave.pdf
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  2006. I'm sure you like make-believe internet 'secrets' to fake feeling smart.
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  2007.  @chrisguillen1495  -- Dunno about Roswell, but I know the full background on these astronaut stories and none of them are even remotely impressive. What evidence impressed you the most regarding 'NASA UFO secrets'?
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  2008.  @chrisguillen1495  -- Why would anyone think NASA had "extraterrestrial [i.e., UFO] evidence". There are lots and lots of wild stories. Do you suspect any of them might be authentic... which ones, and why? I'm genuinely curious.
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  2009. They were quickly exposed as hoaxers.
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  2010. Plenty of intriguing unsolved UFO stories out there, just the spaceflight ones have always been bunk, made up by internet hucksters.
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  2011. I know who you mean. Please tell more. kosmograd@yahoo.com
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  2012. Thanks, you are pretty well informed. Here are two reports on the wildest grocery store weekly tabloid fairy tales about the mission, that folks might want to share around and post links to on forums where they pop up to mislead kids. The first report is the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what the crew spotted out the window on the way out to the moon: http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  2013. Old myth, long ago debunked, please catch up.
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  2014. Where is this hoax video linked from, that it got a million victims in half a year?
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  2015.  @Airwave2k2  -- The 'secret Soviet space deaths' all turned out to be myths, but it took awhile to confirm that.
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  2016. #6 space tether -- scam: The bizarre-looking tether and swarming dots video continues to fascinate viewers, particularly those who have been deliberately kept ignorant of fundamental context features of the event. The UFO community has been willfully incomplete in its internet descriptions of the event, with the apparent intent to mislead their audience. A fuller set of relevant contextual information can be found at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the fraud about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off. Normal behavior of these small particles, entrained by thruster plumes or other cabin gas releases, affected by the slight but still measurable air drag [when out of the shuttle’s slipstream], and possibly pushed by micro-jetting from sun-side sublimation, can be seen in this video of a routine water dump. https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA The crew had time on the fly-by to get really good 70-mm handheld photography of the tether, and there were some dots in the images too. These views showed the tether hair-thin, and the dots as fuzzy out-of-focus objects that must have been within a few feet of the overhead window. Since there is no connection between the tether break and the dot swarm sequence, the obvious question would be why the dots waited to show up until the shuttle caught up with the lost tether -- because if they had been there all along and were really as big as some UFO promoters claimed, they would have been big and bright enough to have been seen in the daytime skies of Earth as they passed across hundreds of millions of witnesses. Do the math, they would have been as big as the full moon. Nobody saw them. That's because the dots were associated with the mearby SHUTTLE, not the distant tether. The crew saw that the dots were close [and thus small] with their own two eyes. Binocular vision is an accurate range determinator out to tens of feet, perhaps as far as a hundred – as any baseball outfielder can demonstrate every game. Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF. This information may be shocking to you. There's proof of it all. The reason it was withheld from you is obvious – to push you into an inaccurate assessment of the video. You and millions of other folks were victims of a deliberate UFO industry fraud. And it was so easy for them
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  2017. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  2018. Rachel, find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  2019. Interesting idea. If Americans and Russians could end the Cold War by shaking hands in space, why can't some 'space tourist' company send Dwight and Yeager into space together, to shake hands! I'm good for $100 to 'gofundme'. If they're too old, how about they sit together to watch the launch carrying a grandkid of each.
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  2020. Thanks for the account, and for your father's service. About when was this supposed to have happened? Multiple cosmonauts? There were LOTS of such stories in those days [mid-1960s]. Those were the first subjects of my initial Soviet space history investigations: Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with... 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2021. Delusional, you need to find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  2022. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  2023. The Italian kids hoaxed all that. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  2024.  Dominic Thian  - He described the weekend travels in the PBS 'Chasing the Moon' program last summer. Also, the deeply-flawed NY Times story on him last July had more quotes from him. I also FOIA'ed his USAF assignments records, ask me more at kosmograd@yahoo.com
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  2025. Good thoughts. More context here: Here's my overview lecture at the Apollo-11 50th last summer: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  2026. Hello?
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  2027.  @Norwegianization  - Dunno. Interesting......
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  2028.  @TonyG718  -- Happy to, because you can help me out by pinpointing what aspects of spaceflight are easily misunderstood, that interfere with accepting the credibility of the superficially-silly explanation. I'm rewriting the presentation as a book chapter as we speak and really want to learn what aspects of the explanation are hard to believe. I served in Mission Control 20+ years [including for sts-48, different shift], and for a debate with Steven Greer at Purdue in 1999, prepared a presentation on this weird video with the overwhelming evidence that it shows ice flakes hit by an autopilot-triggered thruster plume, just after sunrise. I also debated it with Don Ecker on Larry King's CNN show. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  2029.  @ant3334 == Legbug, I hope you wrote up your report and filed it with a private report registry. I saw my first UFO when I was 15.
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  2030.  @TonyG718  -- Did I post my STS-48 zigzag report on this comment thread?
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  2031.  @TonyG718  == " I don’t think an unidentified craft intercepting their shuttle, scanning it, then letting it travel on its way is an illusion exactly." -- Who exactly has ever reported that on a spaceflight?
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  2032.  @TonyG718  -- the subject is by no means 'all nonsense', there's interesting phenomena hidden in some reports that make it worth identifying and focusing on them, here's one example from space flight: a report by cosmonaut Kovalyonok from Salyut space station in 1981.... http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonauts-see-launches.pdf and another activity that explains why the CIA really should study UFO reports from Russia: Ground observations of Soviet FOBS warhead tests in 1967: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/soviet_1967_wave.pdf ;
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  2033.  @TonyG718  -- Gordon Cooper told some pre-NASA UFO sightings, after leaving NASA....
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  2034.  @TonyG718  -- There' plenty of pioneering investigations to do, don't despair. I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So in retirement [I was a real 'rocket scientist'] I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  2035.  @ant3334  -- "people know the truth dude go back inside" == Joke's on you, bug. The 'space UFO stories' are internet fairy tales to freak out the kiddies for fun, profit, and malice.
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  2036.  @ant3334 == Nor am I, I'm just a veteran of NASA Mission Control trying to explain what these videos actually show, and it ain't UFOs.
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  2037.  @ant3334  -- Your first step back towards reality is to acknowledge there was a FOUR DAY gap between the tether break and the 'swarm' scene. The second is to realize that the crew took far clearer photos of the tether using hand-held 70-mm cameras, and the UFO hucksters hid them from you for a purpose you need to figure out.
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  2038.  @TonyG718  -- Those and other context data is at http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
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  2039.  @TonyG718 == LegAnt, did you do the math tp show that if the circles were real and were as far away as the tether, then from Earth's surface they'd be as big and bright as the full moon? A dozen full moons passing rapidly across hundreds of millions of people and nobody noticed?
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  2040.  @TonyG718  == "all these specs of ice have the same design, with an omission in the center...I’m just having a hard time finding it to be ice or debris." == Good eye. Those circles also have notches. They prove the images are created by the internal optics of the camera. The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images [another reason the UFO hucksters hope you don’t find out about them]. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen point, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same point on the screen. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU .
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  2041.  @TonyG718  please report it in detail to NUFORC or MUFON. More later.
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  2042.  @avataroftheblue  == The apparent masking of the circles passing ‘behind’ the tether is occurring in the camera optics, not in reality. First, the rugged payload bay monitoring TV cameras are lo-res and suffer from 'pixel bleed' from bright pixels onto nearby black ones, making the hair-thin tether look really wide, when it's not. You can get a much better impression of true sizes by looking at the 70-mm hand-held photos the crew took out the windows -- the photos the UFO hucksters do NOT show you, for that very reason [they're on my website]. Further, you can tell the notches are also camera artifacts because the 'clocking' depends on exactly where they pass in the field-view. Lastly, if they were as big as they 'look', they would have been moon-sized circles passing across the daytime skies of Earth, naked-eye visible to millions. Another way: Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  2043.  @avataroftheblue  = Do you concede these swarm scenes were four days after the tether broke free and drifted off? Not right away, as implied in the video?
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  2044.  @avataroftheblue  -- "so would not be visible as 'Large moons' as you put it. " == Creative imagination, for sure. The objects were visible in the shuttle CCTV and in the 70-mm handheld photos, what would make them invisible to the naked eye?
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  2045.  @avataroftheblue  == "But the larger discs would not suffer the same problem and would clearly look to be in front of the tether if they were." = Have you looked at the TV camera console operations handbook to see what it says, or are you satisfied with just imagining what it should be like, based on your earthside experience?
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  2046.  @avataroftheblue  -- We all tend to interpret new perceptions in terms of past experience, that seems normal. Do you think these entities are self-luminous, or just sunlit?
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  2047.  @avataroftheblue  == The notches on the disks is another proof they are a camera artifact. First, they don’t appear at all on the much sharper 70-mm film images. Second, the notch ‘clocking’ [orientation around the rim] is always the same for ALL disks passing through the same on-screen position, and shifts exactly the same way for every disk passing the same path. So it’s an internal camera optics effect. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU.
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  2048.  P I  .."obvious microbial life swimming in liquid" == "Looks like"...? LOL!
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  2049. Closed mind? Look in your bathroom mirror.
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  2050. 1619 Project?
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  2051. And once done a single time as an impress-the-audience stunt, not needed again. The next Russian woman was launched to upstage a planned US woman-astronaut mission, and a spacewalk. It hasn't happened again in years.
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  2052. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  2053. During the moonwalk one of the astronauts DID say [it's on the transcripts]: "“I did see a suspiciously-small white object. It's right on the southwest rim of a crater”. That comment was widely heard and in some circles was excitedly embellished with each retelling over the years. Sadly for alien buffs, what it turned out to be was prosaic -- but tracking it down and following its evolution in popular culture over subsequent decades is illuminating and entertaining. See http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf And here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  2054. Which date was that? Thanks for sharing. Folks in California have had a series of sky-spectacle from rockets recently.
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  2055. Any chance you could make a sketch of what it looked like to you? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  2056. That was a 'crockumentary', actually, aimed at gullible nitwits.
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  2057. "Cheated"? He was a candidate. Like two hundred other guys. He admits himself that his class standing was middling, while just the top two got picked by NASA. He thought the White House would get him picked anyway because his concept of an astronaut was somebody looking out the window while the spaceship is remote-controlled from Houston, so he spent almost half his time in the school, away giving speeches for the White House. He couldn't have flown the lunar module anyway, he was three inches shorter than the minimum height it was designed for. His candidacy inspired follow-on black pilots and scientists who DID make the grade within a few years [Robert Lawrence, for example].
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  2058. -- Seen the movie, it's got great SFX. And it's a little paranoid, even by Russian standards.
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  2059. More reentering satellites?
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  2060. These are rockets. Take your meds.
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  2061. How much money has Greer suckered =YOU= out of.
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  2062.  @andrewchirot9998  == David Ellis, a devoted critic of the ‘ice flake’ theory has just provided, by accident, an even stronger proof of it. On Feb 1, 2021 he posted, “Nasa doesn't seem too keen on letting us see any fresh ice footidge” in ISS live TV. That was a sharp observation, whose stunning implication he totally missed. The ice flakes on shuttles came from waste water dumps [mostly from fuel cells, which the ISS doesn’t use] and occasional thruster leaks [hydrazine ice]. The ISS doesn't dump water, it converts it to oxygen and waste hydrogen which is invisible when it's dumped. And ISS uses gyrodynes for attitude control, not thrusters, so there's nothing to leak there either. Thanks, David, for developing ANOTHER argument that the shuttle videos show ice flakes -- the change in technology eliminated the cause, and their noticeable absence on ISS validates the ice flake explanation for shuttle. . Congratulations. I intend to quote you.
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  2063.  @mariobrother4406  -- So now you're onto a Feb 15 event and have given up on the old 'tether UFO' video?
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  2064. = "crazy how once kennedy was assasinated..they took him off the program " -- The recorded chronology doesn't support that cause-and-effect. His aerospace research test pilot course ended exactly as always scheduled in December 1963. NASA had picked the top two men from the dozen or so class students, as astronauts, in September. Dwight acknowledged he wasn't rated that highly, his reasonable excuse was all the weekends he spent away from school when the White House had arranged nationwide speaking tours. Kennedy wasn't killed until two months AFTER the NASA selection. Passing the school program qualified all the students for top test pilot jobs [few became astronauts] and he got one, Director of Flight Test Operations for the US Bomber Command at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio. Isn't that what happened?
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  2065. So what happened to this guy 55 years ago that should affect this year's election?
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  2066.  @dertbom  -- Thanks for replying. I'm always looking for help. It's why I asked. As a historian of space flight, I'm wondering what specific bad choices NASA made in 1963 that are so important to be remarkable in 2020.
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  2067.  @dertbom  -- Thanks for the details. Since the two women on the space station just finished their third spacewalk together [replacing some external battery packs], having the right-sized spacesuits was never the problem. The media flap last year was bogus, sparked by the need for a fast repair job and the week or so needed to reconfigure a second suit to fit the taller woman [Ann McClain] who had stretched a bit after a few months in space and felt the new sizing would be more efficient, but the assigned task couldn't wait so a guy went in her place that time -- but as I said, she made more spacewalks. She's back on Earth but was replaced by another woman, who took part in the third both-women walk just a few days ago. This raises the issue that concerns me as a retired space program veteran -- media passion to find political-motivated whines about anything, including spaceflight, to appeal to their customer base.
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  2068.  @dertbom  'Ignorance' is the wrong word to use, implying shirked responsibility [or deliberate avoidance] to find out stuff -- definitely not your problem. 'Unfamiliarity' seems a more proper term, since 'rocket science' really is 'unearthly' and weird-looking for people in ordinary life. 'Unfamiliarity' is my own status in many aspects of modern culture, as I am starkly reminded every time I watch 'Jeopardy' on TV!
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  2069. Re Captain Dwight: NASA never spent a dime on him, he was in the Air Force taking two back-to-back six-month courses in aerospace test piloting. He finished them both and got assigned as chief of test piloting for the branch he' served in, the US Bomber Command. In later years Dwight complained he had been viciously opposed by the school commandant, the legendary Chuck Yeager, who according to Dwight [based on third-hand hearsay] had instructed the other students to shun and isolate Dwight to drive him out. But not even the NY Times could find a single actual witness to this order, nor any actual actions to implement it [Dwight graduated on schedule]. Yeager vigorously denied ever saying it, and black pilots who actually flew with him vigorously denied he'd shown any indications of racial bias -- want a link?]. The top two pilots of that test pilot [NOT 'astronaut'] class were picked by NASA for its own 1963 astronaut group. Dwight indicated to the NY Times that his class standing wasn't so high but he thought he had a legitimate excuse in that the White House wanted him to take three-day weekends all that year to fly around the country giving speeches, while all the other students stayed on base studying and flying [In Dwight's autobiography he blames Yeager for permitting him to go, as a mean trick to sabotage his studies]. According to the NY Times, quoting Dwight, selecting for the highest demonstrated flying skill levels wasn't really important anyway since the spacecraft was continuously under remote control from Houston and the astronaut was only a passive passenger anyway [which was most emphatically NOT true, something the NY Times failed to notice]. Nevertheless the NY Times implied a cause-and-effect by reporting that after JFK was killed, 'within a month Dwight's career at Edwards AFB was over" [and he was transferred out] when he wasn't picked as one of the candidates that NASA wanted. But that selection had already been made two months BEFORE the assassination, and Dwight's class at the school at Edwards had always been scheduled to end in December. At that point, all the graduates were assigned to test pilot duty in important positions [Dwight was sent to Wright-Patterson AFB as 'Deputy for Flight Test' for the US Bomber Command, hardly a punishment]. So there's serious political spinning going on in this sad story, too, I'm afraid.
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  2070.  @dertbom  -- Whether teasing or making fun, or sincerely, people educate me in the best ways to explain some really weird 'rocket science'.... stuff it took me a long time to catch on to. It makes sense, but it really is 'unearthly'. And we bring all our human foibles up there with us [grin].
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  2071. "because they don’t want u to know tooo much "v== No need for gummint agents -- you ALREADY don't know too much.
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  2072. Any chance witnesses could make a sketch of what it looked like to them? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  2073. It's upsetting how easy a mark you are for internet hoaxes.
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  2074.  @OzymandiasWasRight  -- Minor hiccup, it just always seems wasteful to see undeserved, useless compassion for non-existent suffering.
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  2075.  @itarH  -- Dwight was a fine pilot but his USAF test pilot studies were sabotaged by the White House demands for three-day-weekend cross-oountry speaking tours while the other students studied and practiced. So he wound up 8th in his class of 16, and only the top 2 were picked for the 1963 NASA class [a month before the JFK assassination]. NASA was never going to pick him anyway, probably because first he was three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module, and second because he made no secret of his philosophy that pilot skill wasn't needed since the spacecraft were all remote controlled from Houston anyway [but they weren't]. No white pilot of that height and that attitude came anywhere near even interviewing in Houston, much less being picked.
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  2076. 10 -- Feb 2020, the ISS jettisoned a piece of excess equipment ad it drifted off, while UFO buffs freaked out. 9 -- STS48, fully proven to be ice flakes from a waste water dump hit by thruster pulse. 87654321 - why bother.
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  2077. spasibo.
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  2078. What if it's a clumsy hoax and you're too gullible?
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  2079. What do YOU hear him saying?
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  2080.  @johannesswillery7855  This audio is still a hoax.
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  2081. Why =NOT= a satellite reentry this time?
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  2082. wash, these reentries are warned in advance but exactly where along the final track is impossible to predict because the descent path is so shallow. The 'Aerospace Corporation' in the US puts out alert messages.
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  2083. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  2084. Don't you mean, 'A guy who CLAIMED he was a friend of Cernan's.."? There are lots of nutters making such boasts because they know they'll have an audience: YOU.
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  2085. None of those erased guys ever flew into space. We had great fun tracking them down.
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  2086. Never happened, it was an old hoax, long ago debunked, resurrected by internet hoaxers to sucker a new generation of gullible nitwits.
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  2087. Total hoax.
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  2088. [snore]
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  2089.  @Jan_Strzelecki  -- Ditto EVERYTHING JS wrote.
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  2090. "Mother ships" are signs of a deranged imagination, sorry....
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  2091. Early January event, right? Not a rocket, more likely a boat-towed LED kite.
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  2092. [facepalm]
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  2093. What's that got to do with astronauts' experiences in space?
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  2094. NASA didn't pick him for the 1963 astronaut class. Might there have been any non-racial reasons?
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  2095.  @anthonygray2671  - Thanks for your service. Here's a photo of me [the tall geek] as an officer cadet in Feb 1963 with fellow cadets and astronaut Gordon Cooper. I was there too, and don't dispute your accurate recollections of genuine experiences. The question remains -- most candidates NASA considered were not selected, for a wide variety of rational reasons. Dwight was ranked 8th in his test pilot class of 16, the top 2 guys were picked by NASA. Dwight does not dispute the fairness of that ranking, with the reasonable excuse that his performance suffered because the White House required him to spend weekends flying to speeches all over the country while the other guys were studying and practicing. He claimed NASA should have given him a break. In addition, at 5'03" he was three inches shorter than the minimum height required to safely fly the Apollo lunar module, where the pilots actually stood up looking through a tiny window in front of them and used ceiling mounted nav optics. http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ol5e77b524.jpg
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  2096. This was the Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf Please give more info on your recent sighting. Where were you, what direction were you looking?
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  2097. " As it is stated in the NASA flight transcripts. As it is stated by the other Apollo astronauts during the following missions. " == Where, please? Original sources, please, not some UFO website's gossip.
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  2098. proven hoax aimed at gullible simpletons, sorry!
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  2099. Could be real ETI -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. These tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes.
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  2100. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  2101. Amen!!
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  2102. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  2103. China has rockets, too.
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  2104. Huh?
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  2105.  @cantthinkofaname7525  -- too subtle an analogy, I guess.
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  2106. How do you know that?
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  2107.  @sandyjones353  == No, we can observe these satellites in space with our own eyes, and see where they are going. There are private observers all over the world linked on the Internet.
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  2108. The new worldwide excitement over formerly-secret 'alien music' during a moon mission is another in a series of artificial 'news' items manufactured by an internet media industry devoted to generating website visits through sensational headlines that are created by stories based on deliberately incomplete and garbled versions of events connected with exploiting public interest in great achievements of the past. I can't figure out the exact proportion of cynical misrepresentation and callous incompetence and smug character assassination in the editorial policy, but all seem to be involved. Since experience has shown it is a successful business model for making money off the Internet, we can expect more of it, and worse, in the future. This particular panic is created by concealing fundamental features of the event, such as the highly significant fact that the 'space music' weird noises [described that way because of the eerie sound track of some science fiction movies of the 1960s] occurred during formation flying by the Apollo 'Command Module' and the 'Lunar Module' landing vehicle, as the astronauts talked by radio from ship to ship. The noises were clearly some sort of interference between the two radios separated by tens of kilometers, and they were heard again on the following mission, Apollo-11, as described by Michael Collins in his book 'Carrying the Fire' a few years later. Allegations that information about the events was covered up by astronauts or by NASA is a dishonest editorial gimmick to excite readers with "new" insider information that was up until now "forbidden" by powerful officials. This is false. The noises were discussed in real time by the astronauts over radio links that were broadcast live, and in more detail by the crew during debriefings back on Earth -- as they should have been, as a fundamental safety principle of examining all anomalies for indications of threatening malfunctions. This is the same pattern as the crew carefully describing anything seen outside their vehicle, as potential in indicators of vehicle damage or leakage, and there were so many reports of insulation fragments, ice flakes from fuel and water spills, and debris from pyrotechnic jettisons, that engineers humorously named them 'moon pigeons' in a report on how to analyze them, published in 1970 [some media reports even at the time often suggested these were space aliens following the astronauts, a view that has reached epidemic scale in the modern internet era]. http://www.jamesoberg.com/moonpigeons.html http://news.discovery.com/adventure/explaining-the-apollo-10-astronauts-space-music-160222.htm
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  2109.  @CosmicPen  -- Anything's possible so any such effort seem justified. Go for it.
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  2110. Why =NOT= a reentering satellite?
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  2111.  @althepsyphros3314  == Rockets high enough off Cali are regularly seen in western Texas, how many examples do you want?
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  2112. Your going-in instinct is entirely justified. But In THIS specific case, the stories were exposed decades ago as a hoax, and the current postings are by cynical hucksters out to dupe a new generation of naïve victims.
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  2113.  Mudkip909  -- Yep, even Isaac Newton knew that three hundred years ago.
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  2114. Yep, a lot [but not most] of NY Times readers, go watch and laugh at their comments here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/us/chuck-yeager-dead.html
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  2115. They tried. There were rumors about that in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf Ppt http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonot.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2116. The 'knew it would kill him' version was made up by an author of a recent book to show off a 'new angle', that was imaginary. But you've got the rest of the basic outline pretty close, good for you. The one photo was not an open casket, his charcoalized torso on stretcher [from a fire on crash landing] was shown to other cosmonauts before full cremation, and the funeral involved only the urn of his ashes. www.jameseoberg.com
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  2117.  @itsokaytobeclownpilled5937  -- JayJay rules. Believe JayJay. Seriously, he understands the physics much better than 'science degree guy'.
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  2118. Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  2119. Chinese rocket test near midnight of Aug 7-8 2019 should have been visible from India, looking northeast. Anybody see anything strange?
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  2120. Simple answers are for simpletons. Like you?
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  2121. yes
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  2122.  @sonicboom2723  -- That's the Oregon one.
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  2123.  @sonicboom2723  "there on you tube' - plz give urls.
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  2124.  @sonicboom2723  == Nothing of that name shows up. You didn't mean "Yakutia". did you?
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  2125.  @sonicboom2723  == I'll be happy to follow up tonight.
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  2126.  @RickDirt11  "it just didnt make the media" == Weren't those some missile tests and SpaceX 'Falcom-9' launches? Get me the exact dates and maybe I can tell you which ones were which.
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  2127.  @raejackson5654  == "being shot down" == In your dreams. What's the hard evidence?
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  2128.  @raejackson5654  == ""common sense to smart people , there are too many of these same videos going on that show the same thing worldwide , "" == Problem with the UFO explanation is that when exact place/date/time is given, by golly there usually was a known missile/space event going on. What a coinci-dink!
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  2129.  @raejackson5654  == What's the exact date/time of the Russian event? And Queensland-Australia?
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  2130. So if NASA didn't pick him as an astronaut in 1963, they did him wrong? I can understand his disappointment, but why blame NASA?
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  2131. Could be, but how about some checkable evidence? Amaze us.
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  2132. Where's the alleged evidence about seeing aliens in craters? Show me something checkable, not moron-bait on the Internet.
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  2133. China lies. They dumped a rocket stage on Ivory Coast [West Africa] last year, parts with Chinese ID codes were recovered, they never admitted it was theirs.
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  2134. "crashed into the Atlantic Ocean " -- Dimwit internet 'news' providers, recent J-school graduates stuffed with ideological platitudes Instead of professional standards. . The rocket slipped into the upper atmosphere over the  Atlantic still moving 18,000 mph eastwards. Pieces have now been recovered in West Africa.  What ever became of professional journalists with subject-matter familiarity?  www.jamesoberg.com
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  2135. Who are you talking about?
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  2136. Interesting theory, absolutely unconnected with this rocket launch.
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  2137. They are all explained fully, just not by this video scam. Someday maybe the internet UFO hucksters will all admit they were just faking out their target audiences of eager-believer nincompoops, and you'll realize how foolish you've been.
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  2138. No argument, in tragedies both known and unknown -- but this might not be one of those cases. The narrative may have far outran the original facts.
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  2139.  @LH-mn3cc  == He has made it clear that he felt the White House would see to it that he was picked as an astronaut no matter what class standing he earned, and he spent three-day weekends touring the country giving speeches instead of studying and flying. like all the other students did. Also, he said quite clearly that since the other students assumed he was a certain pick for astronaut, many actually sucked up to him to earn his favor. Do you want the links to those quotes? By the way, do you suppose NASA also noticed he was three inches too short to safely fly the Apollo Lunar Module? .
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  2140. Need corroboration. NASA didn't pick him for the 1963 astronaut class. Might there have been any non-racial reasons?
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  2141. The first step back to the real world is to establish that the pictures from sts-88 show a dropped insulation blanket. See if this presentation, and the two videos it links to, can persuade you of that, and if not, please tell me why not – So where did I get it wrong, please? - http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXqw6NpCwIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omlycVMOcw
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  2142. I'm talking about spaceflight reality, not make-believe space-porn.
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  2143. I was trying to address the photos from STS-88 that some folks think show an alien spacecraft.
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  2144. That was their excuse, but it was bogus. Here's a public presentation with lots of pictures on the theme that I gave at 'Space Center Houston' for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations: http://www.astronautix.com/data/thesovietmoonprogram.pdf
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  2145. Here's my attempt to get to the reality behind these stories [you may not like it]: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html
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  2146. Common interference on ship-to-ship radio transmissions, get a clue.
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  2147. Right, from their sister's bedroom right next door. http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  2148.  @AlexHuberdeau  -- Charles raised a very legitimate question and you respond like an insulted cultist? Do you want a dialog with grown-ups or just a podium to lecture the less-woke sheeple?
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  2149. Here's why these new ones look so unusual: Public misinterpretations of the SpaceX launch on October 7, 2018: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/20181007-mass-reports_1128.pdf
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  2150. In your dreams.
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  2151. Us and the Russians really got connected only after the collapse of the ideologically antagonistic Soviet regime. ASTP just represented the already in progress mid-1970s Brezhnev-Nixon détente period [it did NOT cause it, as the crews always insisted] that actually soon collapsed with the Afghanistan and Angolan invasions and incidents such as the KAL-007 massacre. The inspirational ASTP groundwork only bore fruit with ISS when an entirely new regime [not just a new leader at the top] took over in Moscow. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/413/1
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  2152. Somebody ought to have controlled your grade-school education better.
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  2153.  @marklion315  -- Tune down your outrage dial, please. Where is disagreeing or asking for evidence the same as 'attacking'? As to the journalist's insensitively-worded question, why don't you take it up with him or his employer, what does it have to do with NASA? And by the way here's the view of a black pilot colleague of Yeager's: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  2154.  @passion4posh  -- So track down that newsman and make him apologize. What did NASA have to do with any of this outrage?
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  2155.  @passion4posh  -- Back up a bit. So where's there any first or second hand witness evidence Yeager even made that nasty comment?
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  2156. Quick? Years of research proved these stories fakes. Want to see the evidence?
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  2157. They have rockets too. Duh!
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  2158. What 'UFO secrets' from NASA do you believe have been exposed by veterans? Both Cooper and Mitchell believe other stories but explicitly stated that nobody at NASA ever had such encounters.
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  2159. Correct. It was the Italian kids' sister helping in the hoax.
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  2160. Did you see it FROM your backyard, or think it WAS in your backyard [or over it]?
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  2161. Good catch, obrigado!!
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  2162. There's a real possibility this is a hoax debunked in the last century, and you need to get a clue.
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  2163. Obrigado!!
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  2164. They should knock on your door personally?
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  2165. People did, just without pocketcams. http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/tomsk_spiral_ufo_2006.pdf
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  2166. What space program heroes blocked him due to prejudice? First-hand evidence, please, not third-hand hearsay.
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  2167.  @5pctLowBattery  == What space program heroes blocked him due to prejudice? First-hand evidence, please, not third-hand hearsay.
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  2168. Thank you for your service as family members of a service member, they also served. These were real rumors way back then but turned out to be misinterpretations and hoaxes. Want the details?
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  2169. Whatever. Why can't =THIS= just have been a satellite reentry?
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  2170. That's just France's excuse for being a second-rate space power.
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  2171. The anti-Dwight racism charge against Yeager is pretty shaky on historical grounds, want to see some other assessments -- including one from Dwight himself?
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  2172. The more important question is why you are such a gullible eager-believer to internet scams?
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  2173.  @sbeav1105  == Where would you like to start educating me?
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  2174.  @lindacaldwell6251  -- have you considered the possibility that the story is a myth spread on internet sites to generate website traffic? Or that NASA has released detailed videos of the 1998 object [from shuttle mission sts-88] years ago, that the UFO sites keep from you?
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  2175. There could be real ETI observing -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  2176.  @wolfsworkshop9095  -- Why are you so easily scammed?
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  2177.  @wolfsworkshop9095  == "I don't see" is a long way from "there ain't any". It looks like you're basically basing your views on being proud of your own ignorance. You can't mean that, and you can do better. Get a free download from NASA of Siddiqi's authoritative "Challenge to Apollo" to see the chronology that real historians have worked out. In the 1970s and 1980s, our small world-wide pre-internet sleuthing fraternity had enormous fun with these investigations, which required diligence, luck, grit, and patience, as well as some Russian language facility. And as I keep saying, the 'Golden Age of Russian Space Secret Sleuthing" is NOT over by any means. It remains a 'target-rich environment'. And new volunteers are always welcome as new lines of inquiry are uncovered. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  2178.  @wolfsworkshop9095  -- "aren't the most reliable kind of source" == Compared to internet strangers out to make money off selling ads to gullible readers? As I've said, the last defiant defenders of hoaxers and forgers are their first victims, who revert to 'ego defense' to deny to themselves they could have been such easy suckers Can you consider that possibility?
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  2179.  @dx1450  -- "how dangerous"?? The widespread rumors of secret cosmonaut mission deaths all turned out to be bogus, but they had killed a trainee in a pre-Gagarin pressure chamber run that caught fire, sadly.
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  2180. In your dreams. Seriously, show me REAL evidence.
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  2181. What is the color of the sky on =YOUR= planet?
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  2182.  @brrrayday  -- I'm always interested in unusual interpretations of weird-looking stuff. In this specific case, the images shown in the video are from a shuttle flight when a spacewalker dropped a thermal blanket he was installing. I've seen the videos of the blanket, and talked to the astronaut who dropped it. Your suggestions may well be realistic, but in this case, aren't needed.
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  2183. We her lots of things on the Internet, they all need double-checking. How about these comments: That was a serious accusation and the historical support for it is mighty shaky. Here's some VERIFIABLE testimony with a starkly different view: Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58 Here's a Yeager profile by a black pilot who flew with him: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  2184.  @jusliving7977  == "I'll take Dwight at his word. He said Yeager encouraged an environment conducive to his demise. He (Yeager) instructed other candidates to ostracize Dwight." == Well, that's the crux of the historical debate, did Yeager actually make such an order and was it carried out? Dwight says he heard that from a fellow student who said he'd heard it from an instructor who said he'd heard it from Yeager. Dwight himself said the other students actually kissed up to him because they figured he had White House sponsors [link available]. What about these quotes [check the links]? Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58
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  2185.  @jusliving7977  == " I'll take Dwight at his word" == I don't doubt he heard the third-hand rumor. How accurate it was remains an open question, and in context of other descriptions, pretty dubious. And yes, Yeager verbally bullied every other student to quit if they didn't have full commitment, he was not a huggy-feely commander.
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  2186. Don't you mean "Dwight"?
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  2187. That was Komarov in 1967, fully announced when it happened.
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  2188. Sputnik going first was almost certainly an unintentional accident but it was a major blessing for the US, as libnerd points out, because it set the precedent of unimpeded overflight through other countries' national 'air space' if you were high enough.
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  2189. Lots of folks suspected that, at the time, but it turned out to be misinterpretations, rumors, and some outright hoaxes by the Italian kids. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  2190. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. So be GRATEFUL the von Braun team diverted Hitler from far more effective weapons [Speer in his memoirs confirms this ‘mistake’]. I’ll take any such happy result, inadvertent or not – and we don’t have to forget the V-2’s victims in London and the slave cave factories. The non-existence of the V-2 wouldn’t have saved such losses, it would have multiplied them. Every V-2 built was a dozen fighter jets not built, a hundred anti-aircraft rockets not built, a squad of Tiger tanks not built. The cold-blooded calculus of casualties is morally complex. We should take every opportunity to express boundless admiration and gratitude for the workers in those slave workshops, whose names we will never know, but who saved many lives at the cost of their own by recognizing the criticality of the instruments they were building and then by developing hard-to-detect sabotage techniques that created a significant launch failure rate of the V-2 attacks.
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  2191. I want to match the Topol against the UFO reports in Siberia. What TIME was the missile launched?
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  2192. Can you share a sketch of what you saw naked eye?
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  2193.  @iAzwrath  -- Finer details then smeary videos.
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  2194. your questions answered here -- http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  2195. That's the brothers' own version. NASA said they'd never met them. The antenna-measurement fairy tale relied on a splashdown photo of an antenna that only deployed after the parachute opened. You've been scammed.
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  2196. sts-48 video shows nearby sunlit ice flakes hit by brief steering thruster pulse -- want the evidence?
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  2197. It's in sunlight. Like the moon is also lit up in the night sky.
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  2198. Strange, just a year after a major 'UFO mothership' sighting there: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/Oberg/940914-africa-pdf1.pdf It turned out to be anther 'classic' satellite reentry fireball swarm that often are misinterpreted by startled ground witnesses, here's one of the first cases [1963]: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf ... and here's the most recent, last Oct 24, from Hawaii: http://jamesoberg.com/ufo/fireball.pdf
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  2199.  @smoovoperata3242  == Go look up 'james oberg' on wikipedia, email a message to his home page, and I'll answer here.
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  2200. You march on arm-in-arm with allies of all colors. Re the Dwight story, why do you suppose the NY Times is pushing the racism-resentment angle this electoral season? Where exactly did 'racism' derail Dwight's supposedly deserved path into space?
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  2201. You're joking, right?
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  2202. We all could use some laughs these days [grin]. Laughing at the poor kids who so easily get scammed by these internet 'space UFO' fairy tales would be too cruel, however.
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  2203. Come on down to Houston, I'll introduce you, he can impress upon you the reality of his fist. The UFO story about him was a hoax that collapsed in a few weeks, back in the last century. Please catch up.
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  2204.  @KellySmith-lc5lw  -- Clarification accepted, apology offered. Too easy to confuse clever humor with genuine nuttiness, my bad.
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  2205. Uh, what did NASA have to do with this?
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  2206. It's clear you're hopelessly gullible. Scary how easy kids today can be duped by internet resurrection of long-debunked hoaxes.
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  2207. These moon-UFO fairy tales are fabrications by internet hucksters aimed at helplessly gullible nitwits. Here's a lecture on these bogus tales that I delivered at Space Center Houston for the Apollo-11 50th celebrations last year. http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  2208. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  2209. What's that got to do with astronauts' experiences in space?
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  2210. Any links to conference details?
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  2211. How high do you think it was?
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  2212.  @danielwison7106  = "It makes no sense to go 1000 miles sideways when space is supposedly 90 miles or so, straight up" " == Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  2213.  @danielwison7106  == So why wasn't this LA sighting just a rocket? How is von Braun connected to it in any way?
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  2214. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  2215. Face it -- the audio was a hoax.
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  2216. - If you believed those fairy tale of UFO encounters by astronauts, you've wasted more than a few minutes of your life.
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  2217. Spot on, Tom!!
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  2218. Interesting claim. Where can the rest of us see the evidence?
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  2219.  @andreasvogler1875  = Thanks, I don't recall any contemporary Western media mention of it that quickly, and I was in HS keeping a spaceflight scrapbook. I'll check Siddiqi's authoritative 'Challenge to Apollo' tome. You do know that Wikipedia is user-written?
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  2220.  @andreasvogler1875  = "but I read it on other sites as well and also saw documentaries about the flight." == The internet is the cosmic echo chamber of fable and folklore. They just steal from the last video THEY saw and jazz it up. Get a free copy from NASA of Siddiqi's "Challenge to Apollo" for reliable spaceflight history.
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  2221. In the 1970s and 1980s, our small world-wide pre-internet sleuthing fraternity had enormous fun with these investigations, which required diligence, luck, grit, and patience, as well as some Russian language facility. And as I keep saying, the 'Golden Age of Russian Space Secret Sleuthing" is NOT over by any means. It remains a 'target-rich environment'. And new volunteers are always welcome as new lines of inquiry are uncovered. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  2222.  @ethics3  == You should give my views some credibility because decades of folks in many countries have tried to prove my work inaccurate, and provided arguments to that effect, and failed. People who actually knew a lot more than you about real spaceflight. ALL historical work is subject to revision as new info comes out, so anything's possible.... if you have any actual contribution to the on-going debates, please join in.
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  2223. Fireball phase is between about 60 and 40 miles on the way down.
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  2224.  @ronhaworth5808  "They didn't announce Gagarin's flight until after it happened and he was safely back on the ground." == Nope. It was announced while he was still in flight. There was a rush to get the TASS report out to avoid exactly the appropriate suspicion you mention. Certainly there were secret failures, but the country was full of wild rumors, too, and overseas satellite watchers could get some idea [sometimes very wrong ideas] of stuff once it got into orbit. But all that stuff came out post-Soviet collapse, and there weren't any undisclosed spaceflight deaths, not one.
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  2225.  @ronhaworth5808  -- Thanks for your note and your interest, it was a fascinating time to try to figure stuff out in all the shadows and gossip. Some of the same techniques are in use today to figure out China or SpaceX secrets. http://www.jamesoberg.com/space-sleuths-book.pdf
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  2226.  @gaborrajnai7914  -- Good point. SOME space-related disasters never leaked, for decades. There WAS a launch pad disaster at the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 1980 that killed fifty workers that was successfully kept secret for decades.
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  2227. Good research and fine sentiments, thank you!! www.jamesoberg.com
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  2228. Is that me [shuffles feet modestly]… [grin]??
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  2229. Lots of folks suspected that, at the time, but it turned out to be misinterpretations, rumors, and some outright hoaxes by the Italian kids. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  2230. Or the recording could be a total hoax, revived by unscrupulous youtube posters to dupe new generations of victims.
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  2231.  Longface Ted  == For sure you're a gullible nincompoop to fall for that 'National Enquirer' fable.
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  2232. Usually when they're seen, they are mistaken for UFOs.
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  2233. … of internet hucksters exploiting the gullibility of their target audience of nincompoops.
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  2234. Seriously, those old stories were debunked in the last century. Please catch up.
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  2235.  @mysticnomad3577  - LOL.
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  2236. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  2237. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2238. Some background on the target region, one of the most interesting scientific AND resource-utilization regions on the moon, as US scientists realized years ago  == Aitken Basin mission, “Astronomy” magazine, Dec 2005
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  2239. new2: There are fact-based debunkings of those space-UFO fairy tales out there, please consider reading them.
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  2240. Francisco is correct. The only 'evidence' is fables from media falsifiers and stories from make-believe 'space team veterans' who usually were janitors, if anything, in the real program.
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  2241. @acidpunx == Thanks for replying. Indeed I have seen the STS-48 1991 video, actually I was on duty for that mission [different shift]. The UFO version was wildly popular due to unfamiliarity of the enthusiasts with real spaceflight motion and illumination principles. The full array of the overwhelming evidence for the prosaic explanation [which a panel of NASA experts first came up with, not me] is all on my home page here, and I'd appreciate critical feedback – http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  2242. @acidpunx -- I agree there are a lot more interesting UFO reports down here on Earth. BTW The Mars cloud has been discussed a lot in the real world, away from the UFO blogs -- it appears to be an annual feature of clouds off the top of a high mountain. Note it wasn't 'kept secret', the pictures came out right away.
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  2243. @acidpunx == " i did take the word of a site that NASA had not shown the pictures of Mars" == If so, please explain how anybody else saw them?
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  2244. @acidpunx == Your English looks fine to me. My response was intended to point out that accusations that 'NASA is hiding stuff' are fictional hoaxes designed to excite the target audiences of the internet scammers.
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  2245. @acidpunx == Fair question. They seem to be eager to publicize their strangest photos. Keep watching! Especially the 'Ultima Thule' encounter in a few weeks.
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  2246. @acidpunx .."why they question everything with suspicion" -- You might yourself display a little more suspicion towards the internet hucksters and fakers. And back to the original subject -- where's your suspicion of these kinds of stories?
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  2247. In your dreams.
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  2248. Russ, thanks for your insights. It's an old hoax by the Italian kids and their sister. Want evidence?
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  2249. Kinda scary and sad how gullible kids are these days.
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  2250. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  2251. There's more to the NASA angle that the NY Times didn't report. Edward J. Dwight [March 2, 2020] == “I never accused Chuck Yeager of causing my failure to fly in space. It was the political environment of the day that transcended anything that Chuck Yeager had an impact on.” https://www.facebook.com/NPR/posts/10159027154926756 Smithsonian "Black in Space" documentary, Feb 23, 2020, curator Cathleen Lewis: “We don’t know if Chuck Yeager derailed Dwight’s career. And historians searched for evidence, and haven’t found it.” https://youtu.be/I7jJ8jEh608 at time 10:58
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  2252. Faking it was EASY with credulous victims like you.
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  2253. This? Florida Twilight Phenomenon of Atlas V 551 Rocket Launch of MUOS-4, Sep 2, 2015, 6.22 AM: http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/190502-ksc-2015sep02.pdf
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  2254. Miguel goudeau, I guess that 'junior rocket scientist' decoder ring you got in the mail with all those breakfast cereal boxtops hasn't worked for you, eh?
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  2255. June 10 update to story -- many large metallic fragments hit the ground [NOT the ocean] in West Africa, and were found by villagers. A month later, Beijing still refuses to acknowledge responsibility or offer compensation to the affected areas. The US Space Command said the object entered the atmosphere over the eastern Atlantic, but it was still traveling eastwards at great speed, which bought it over dry land. It NEVER said the object came down over the ocean. Another Ivory Coast video of debris https://youtu.be/rStfHuSBQ7E
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  2256. fair question, go to your youtube home page DISCUSSION folder for the answer.
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  2257. You're obviously about 12 years old -- mentally, at least.'
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  2258. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  2259.  @legionjames2.091  == Out of curiosity, what school system did you graduate from?
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  2260.  @legionjames2.091  -- Reentering satellites still come in very shallow, skimming the thin upper atmosphere, and in the fireball phase [40 to 50 miles up] cross the sky from horizon to horizon. They've been observed doing that since the very beginning of the Space Age. They do not 'fall in flames' like a shot-down warplane.
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  2261.  @legionjames2.091  = "Drivel" == How about a grown-up response?
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  2262. So for so many other witnesses, why does the satellite reentry explanation fail? Looks like the fairly typical reentering satellite fragment fireball swarms that have been seen since the dawn of the Space Age. I'm always curious about the reasoning behind opinions different from my own, it's helped me see more clearly [and change my mind] all my life
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  2263. Yep, that's what reentering satellites =DO=, where did you get the idea they 'fall' straight down?
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  2264. Has your view of NASA's Apollo program changed?
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  2265. Aside from third-hand hearsay, where's any evidence [like, from a witness] he ever said that?
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  2266.  @ArchFundy  -- But it's NOT just "Mr. Dwight's story", it's also the story of the other guys who one-by-one relayed oral versions of it TO him. Without any corroboration, isn't there room for an element of doubt in THEM?
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  2267. You should sue your teachers for failure to educate you.
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  2268. The more false-alarms you knee-jerk jump to, the less credibility are the rightful cases you champion. NASA's record on non-discrimination has been exemplary, ask Mae Jemison, she talks to the public on exactly that theme. Please know who your friends are.
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  2269. Google my name and 'astronaut Robert Lawrence', while you're at it.
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  2270. Here's an idea. Read your fn mail. [they did announce]
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  2271. Unknown to YOU, maybe. But as Forrest Gump said, 'Stupid is as stupid does'. People who think a scrap of insulation or a loose bolt or an ice chip are actually cleverly camouflaged alien spacecraft don't seem to me to have elevators going all the way to the top, either.
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  2272. It's a sad story, but the treasure maps are spurious. All evidence is there never was such a sensor on Cooper's flight, and his 'treasure map' was an imaginary story he told in his lonely old age, with Parkinson's dementia, after he'd washed out of the Apollo program for losing his mojo. Sad fate, sadder still by letting his fame be exploited by an unending parade of charlatans and con men. My debunking of the ‘secret sensor’ and ‘five thousand photos’ -- http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3224/1 Loss of Faith -- Gordon Cooper’s post-NASA stories http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3228/1
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  2273. No, there aren't, and THIS isn't, either.
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  2274. They do say, clearly: there never were any UFO encounters on space flights. These are fairy tales fabricated by internet hucksters aimed at gullible nitwits. A lot of you guys seem to have bulls-eyes painted on your foreheads. Even astronauts who think there ARE real UFOs agree the NASA-related stories are spurious.
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  2275. What should NASA have done differently?
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  2276.  @LucDevine  == Why do you think they didn't?
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  2277.  @LucDevine == Dwight came up before the NASA 'Group 3' astronaut review board in 3rdQ 1963, the top 2 students [of ~15] were picked by NASA. Dwight admits his evaluation scores weren't that high due to all the weekends away that the White House demanded he do speaking tours stead of studying / practicing. He thought he deserved a pass on his lower grades because the White House wanted him picked no matter what, for symbolic reasons, and because he insisted top-skill test pilots weren't needed anyway since the capsules were continuously remotely-controlled from Houston anyway [which wasn't actually accurate]. The class ended as scheduled in December and the students dispersed to test pilot related assignments, as always planned.
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  2278.  @LucDevine  == Emily Ludolph: “First of all, there’s purely logistics. He’s off doing all of these tours all weekend, but he’s still got to come back and do his flight exams on Monday just like all of his peers who have been studying all weekend for them do. …" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/21/podcasts/the-daily/moon-black-astronaut-ed-dwight.html?showTranscript=1
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  2279.  @LucDevine  -- Your turn. What's your source for the Yeager 'shun him' comment? A real witness, not third-hand hearsay, please.
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  2280.  @LucDevine  = "Yeager knew that Dwight couldn't ignore a decree from the White house to attend those engagements so he used it to drum him out of the program."== That was exactly Dwight's rationalization in his autobiography. He blames Yeager for fiendishly PERMITTING him to leave base over the weekends for the White House speeches. Of course, applying the 'flip-side rule' [what would the complaint have been if the OPPOSITE had happened?] easily conjures up Dwight's supporters complaining he was being muzzled. But back to the thrust of my question -- any direct or even indirect witnesses to the specific instruction from Yeager to have the other students shun him socially. You seem to agree there really IS no such witness, but the comment can be inferred from subsequent actions, am I understanding you correctly?
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  2281.  @LucDevine  As for being actually shunned, see https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=astronaut%20ed%20dwight&epa=SEARCH_BOX “The other students began to come around. 'Cause they figured out, ‘Say wait a minute now. They tell us to stay away from this cat. The real deal is that that cat is gonna be the only one of us that's gonna go to the moon. If the President has his way, he's the only one of us that's gonna go! So we better be his friend.’”
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  2282.  @LucDevine  - "Dwight is the witness Jim." == He heard a story from a guy who said he heard it from another guy who said he'd heard it from Yeager. Is that what 'witness' really means? Would such a 'witness' ever be allowed to provide evidence in a trial, or to a historian or journalist? .Emmett Hatch [a black pilot who flew with him] was a direct witness to Yeager's racial attitudes, here is HIS testimony: http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  2283.  @LucDevine  -- I'm looking for real evidence in a very culturally incendiary meme, as a historian. … in exactly the threads where strong believers congregate and engage in productive debate [and thank you for doing so]. As for journalists, the original NY Times story last July was shamefully sloppy, which was regrettable. Probably the worst howler there was endorsement of Dwight's erroneous assertion that test piloting skill and experience really wasn't relevant to astronaut selection, since the capsules were fully remote-controlled from Houston anyway, so the passengers could easily have been picked for symbolic reasons, not technical capabilities. So... are there no direct witness accounts of the third-hand hearsay about Yeager's shunning advice? I'm still looking -- perhaps the most reasonable theory is he made same comment of tolerating Dwight until the course finished nd then he'd be gone. The one-on-one in-your-face suggestions of quitting, BTW, was pretty standard with Yeager's approach to every student, and it's the same in Navy SEAL training. Hand-holding and soothing and participation trophies may be what kids want today, but it's not good prep for professions with death peering over your shoulder.
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  2284.  @LucDevine  -- Sticking to THIS video's subject, to summarize my view: While in the USAF "Aerospace Research Test Pilot" school [NOT an 'astronaut school'] Dwight came up before the NASA 'Group 3' astronaut review board in 3rdQ 1963, the top 2 students [of ~15] were picked by NASA [Dave Scott and Ted Freeman]. Dwight admits his evaluation scores weren't that high due to all the weekends away that the White House demanded he do speaking tours stead of studying / practicing. He thought he deserved a pass on his lower grades because the White House wanted him picked no matter what, for symbolic reasons, and because he insisted top-skill test pilots weren't needed anyway since the capsules were continuously remotely-controlled from Houston anyway [which wasn't actually accurate]. The class ended as scheduled in December and the students dispersed to test pilot related assignments, as always planned. Show less
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  2285. I'm curious, folks -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  2286. A bit too far east, maybe. what time did you see it?
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  2287. Lots of people =DID= think that, very few were dumbasses. It was =THAT= amazing.
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  2288. WTF did NASA have to do with any of this?
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  2289. In general true -- but the liars this time were the Italian kids.
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  2290. The Italian kids lied.
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  2291. Why can't they be ice flakes from the waste water dump?
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  2292.  @madcacher1119  == Ice particles do so start, stop, change directions, turn around. Are you curious how, or do you consider yourself already an expert?
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  2293.  @madcacher1119  -- This same page, for a starter. Important stuff is being reported as 'UFOs'. Filtering it out from the mass of innocent misinterpretations and cynical media hoaxes is a major challenge.
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  2294.  @madcacher1119  " - those “debris that travel with [them]” are not ice crystals. They are anomalous objects" == Not to the flight crew or to Mission Control. What do you know that they didn't? Or -- what might THEY have known, that YOU don't?
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  2295.  @madcacher1119  == Why would you think these are IR images? They are from the payload bay cameras which operate in visible light.
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  2296.  @madcacher1119  == Shuttle water dump ice flakes changing course... [Debris with curved trajectories] https://youtu.be/npSrbQSmjQA
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  2297.  @damyr  -- "living creatures" == Interesting idea. How do you imagine they caught up with the shuttle moving at 18,000 miles per hour?
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  2298.  @damyr  -- How do they GET that fast? Do they have their own rocket engines? What do they use for fuel? Speculation is a worthy activity, but it needs to be matched with plausible, testable models.
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  2299.  @damyr  -- Why can't the dots just be ice flakes from the shuttle's routine waste water dumps? Seems more likely than dreamed-up magical powers.
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  2300.  @damyr  "even sudden materialization into existence (or maybe aftereffect of teleportation) are perfectly visible. UFOs are real and they are of extraterrestrial origin. " … Or how about, they light up at sunrise like everything else in the world?
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  2301.  @Elliott3333  -- Fair questions, gimme a little time, plz. Did you look this over? http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo-sts-75_tether_swarm.html
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  2302.  @mharro88  == "not everything in space uses human made rockets idiot " == That would be great to find proof of. Keep looking, please.
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  2303.  @mharro88  -- Thanks for admitting you can't point out singe factual or logical flaw. Name-calling isn't grown-up debating. Grow up and then get back to me.
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  2304. @zang bazzanga -- The tether was only as thick as a telephone cord, so how could it eclipse anything going behind it? Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF. If the objects WERE they far away, they would have been as big and bright as the full moon from the surface on Earth, moving rapidly cross the daytime sky -- but nobody in the ground saw them. How does your theory explain that?
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  2305.  @omgz8876  == Thanks for the detailed response, the details you describe help explain why you are so mistaken about interpreting these bizarre videos. You wrote: "Even if your impossible theory would be dreamingly true the astronauts wouldn't call it debris but ice as you say, and why would they do this water dump during an experiment? everything you say makes no sense at all." That would indeed make no sense, absolutely. But what really happened was that FOUR DAYS after the experiment ending with the tether snapping,. a TV view of the distant tether showed dots [foreground or background, open to debate]. The water dump was done four days after the experiment was over. The video claims it was 'uncut'. That's false. How can I prove to you there were four days between the tether snap and the appearance of the dot swarm?
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  2306.  @omgz8876  -- If those circles were really BEHIND the tether 70 miles away, how BIG would they have looked when observed from the ground? I figure full moon size and brightness. Do you agree?
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  2307.  @omgz8876  -- Basic fact, swarm sequence was four days after tether break. Can you concede that?
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  2308.  @omgz8876  "You don't even explain how this ice mirage theory of yours produces the exhibition of doughnuts with notches cut out when no one piece of ice is the same shape or how a 12.5 mile object is blocking out a mirage. lol but im mistaken hahahahaa." Actually, I can. Note that the notches on the moving dots rotate to match exactly the same clocking in the same locations of the screen. That shows it's a feature of the camera internal optics. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU.
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  2309.  @omgz8876  -- The tether thickness is about the same as a clothesline rope [I have a sample], and after the shuttle returned, the tether remained in orbit a few more weeks and lots of amateur satellite observers around the world [including me] saw it passing overhead at dawn. It was a very thin line hanging vertically. Do you want a link to their observation reports?
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  2310.  @omgz8876  "The notches are NOT at the same angle jim" == Never said they were. They vary all over the screen. But whenever a circle passes through a particular point, all other circles passing through THAT point show identical clocking. That's what tells us the notches are artifacts of the camera optics. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4e_e72fiU
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  2311.  @omgz8876  == First and most important, the swarm sequence occurred four days -- FOUR DAYS – after the breakaway [the fake impression that the edited version clearly intended to make was that the swarm showed up quickly in response to the break]. This was after the tether had fallen behind the shuttle in its orbit, and the faster shuttle pulled so FAR ahead that like a fast race car on an oval track, it 'lapped' the slower tether and overtook it from behind. During this time, the shuttle crew started other experiments and resumed normal orbit housekeeping activities, such as routine waste water dumps. THAT is what the deception about the length of the interval was meant to conceal. Proof of the four-day separation can be seen in these daily video reports of the mission: Flight Day 4 Video Highlights [Tether Deploy] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU9SGJV4ZA Flight Day 5 Video Highlights [Tether Break/Flyaway] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU9q1N9B-MM Flight Day 9 Video Highlights [Tether Fly-Under with debris] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM As the shuttle overtook the tether, there were hours of observation time as they neared it and passed below [and off to the side] of it. Occasional blizzards of dots can be seen in this interval as ice flakes from that day’s water dump broke free and drifted off.
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  2312.  @omgz8876  Nothing went BEHIND the tether. The video cameras observing it were ruggedized external units designed for monitoring crew spacewalk activities in the payload bay, in normal visible light. Because of the enormous range of brightness that would be encountered, the pixels were designed to protect the cabin TV displays by using a ‘max out’ limit of brightness, and peg ‘high’ at light gray. So anything bright crossing a zone that’s ALREADY ‘overbright’ isn’t going to change the pixel max level, it’s already as high as allowed. Hence the illusion of being eclipsed by a far-fatter-than-reality tether image. Also, in the camera itself, very bright pixels would bleed over to neighboring ones, making all bright objects [stars, satellites, cities, lightning, anything] slightly wider on screen, as seen by the artificial ‘fatness’ of the tether image [which was sunlit, NOT ‘glowing’ on its on]. The Mission Control console operating manual of this camera is shown at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV1.PDF.
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  2313.  @omgz8876  "One even appears out of nowhere"-- Naturally, as small ice flakes drift out of the shuttle's shadow, into sunlight, they suddenly become visible. The crew would see that a lot on other missions.
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  2314.  @omgz8876 -- FOUR DAYS between tether snap and 'swarm' video. Admit it.
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  2315.  @omgz8876  = 'Worst' for your ego-inflating delusions, certainly.
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  2316.  @omgz8876  -- Would you like to learn how tethers actually act in space? Here's the NASA 'Flight Procedures Handbook' section on tethered operations. You really need to understand the new reality on this unearthly topic, rather than just fantasizing what it MUST be like based on your imagination. . http://www.jamesoberg.com/fph-Tethered_ops.PDF
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  2317.  @omgz8876  -- Joke's on you. You're bright enough to realize the real evidence is now eating away in your brain about the scam you've fallen for, and some dark night you'll sit bolt up and slap your forehead and face the reality that you'd been duped by some UFO huckster. It's already happened to a lot of folks who started out as delusionally cocky as you, and subsequently I make a lot of new friends this way. You'll live through it and be glad of it.
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  2318.  @shawnm5860 … "on a factual basis....." == So you say. WHICH facts, for example? The swarm video was made FOUR DAYS after the tether broke, isn't that a fact? If the dots were really behind the tether, they'd have been bigger and brighter than the full moon viewed by millions of potential witnesses on Earth's surface, but nobody reported seeing them -- another fact?
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  2319.  @DunhillCylharz  -- No deceptive intent. Please specify what you see as untrue, and show me your evidence.
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  2320. Press reports won't tell you the full story, including potential non-racial reasons why NASA chose other pilots. But his presence in the two USAF test pilot schools in 1962-3 inspired a wave of follow-on fully-qualified black pilots such as Robert Lawrence, picked for USAF astronaut status in 1967, and others who became shuttle astronauts. Some died alongside their white colleagues on fatal missions [their names deserve special honor, too], and one became NASA Administrator who always honored Dwight for being his initial inspiration. We got where we are today because of pioneers such as Dwight, who deserve all the honor they earned.
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  2321. You prolly 12 years old? There could be real ETI observing -- just not the 'astronaut stories'. Those internet tales are naive misinterpretations all the way to cynical media hoaxes. Re Aldrin: http://www.astronautix.com/data/apollo11mythtakes.pdf
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  2322. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence.
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  2323. The first step back to the real world is to establish that the pictures from sts-88 do show a dropped insulation blanket. See if this presentation, and the two videos it links to, can persuade you of that, and if not, please tell me why not – So where did I get it wrong, please? - http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXqw6NpCwIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omlycVMOcw
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  2324. Right. Totally bogus premise, show jumped the shark with discovery of underwater alien spaceship in Season 2, then Season 3 cancelled, gullible nitwit audience heart-broken. Shocker.
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  2325. So why =CAN'T= it be the satellite reentry?
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  2326.  @cantthinkofaname7525  == "lil nas dropped a pair of satan shoes" ... WHERE, please? Show us.
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  2327.  @cantthinkofaname7525  == Do you want to see the predictions of the reentry, and alert messages released, and how the path of the object was tracking directly over the area where it eventually began fireballing? I'd be curious how you would account for such advance awareness.
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  2328.  @cantthinkofaname7525  == I'm a historian fascinated by public misconceptions and misinterpretations of spaceflight events. It's what they call a "target-rich environment". [grin]
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  2329.  @buddybaldur768  == Thanks for the clear confession you have found zero provable flaws in my reports, and realize you are intellectually impotent to dispute any points I've made, but hope your target audience is stupid enough to fall for 8th grade playground name-calling.
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  2330. A propellant tank from the rocket has just been recovered. Doesn't that settle it?
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  2331. The kids lied, and this website lied.
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  2332. . People who think a scrap of insulation or a loose bolt or an ice chip are actually cleverly camouflaged alien spacecraft don't seem to me to have elevators going all the way to the top, either.
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  2333.  @MrJamesjustin  == "Since the early 1970s NASA/military could park a satellite over a predetermined person sitting in a predetermined park, and read the newspaper over his shoulder. " == Your only hope is that your world of delusions gives you fake pleasure and bogus status, but maybe at some point you'll realize the counterfeit basis for your conceit. There's an awesome world of genuine space exploration and discovery going on out there, and so far it's all been literally and metaphorically over your head. That's kind of sad.
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  2334.  @MrJamesjustin  -- Your point is well taken, I stand rebuked. Here's a well-aimed explanation of one of the most famous 'NASA UFO videos', from STS-48 in 1991, see if it makes any sense to you. It should be an example of my research, not my comments on people's mental attitudes. I served in Mission Control 20+ years [including for sts-48], and for a debate with Steven Greer at Purdue in 1999, prepared a presentation on this weird video with the overwhelming evidence that it shows ice flakes hit by an autopilot-triggered thruster plume, just after sunrise. I also debated it with Don Ecker on Larry King's CNN show. http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
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  2335. Parkinson's dementia, more likely.
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  2336. plz correct your misspelling.
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  2337. What is it with you, a science fiction and fantasy buff?
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  2338.  @CloneDaddy  -- No pardon needed, I was teasing that the stories were fables, not factual. They were debunked decades ago but keep being used on the internet to attract the kinds of viewers the commercial advertisers prefer, gullible eager-believers who can't do independent research themselves.
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  2339. "crashed into the Atlantic Ocean " -- Dimwit internet 'news' providers, recent J-school graduates stuffed with ideological platitudes Instead of professional standards. . The rocket slipped into the upper atmosphere over the Atlantic still moving 18,000 mph eastwards. Pieces have now been recovered in West Africa. What ever became of professional journalists with subject-matter familiarity? www.jamesoberg.com
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  2340. You do realize the 'dying woman' was a publicity-seeking hoax by the Italian kids, don't you? Want evidence?
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  2341. The Italian kids were faking, it was their own sister mumbling in Russian.
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  2342. See my long scolding I posted a half hour after you did.
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  2343. Just teasing. I'm genuinely curious about various myths many intelligent people believe about the Apollo program. Where is this evidence that convinced you that Aldrin saw a genuine UFO during the trip out there, or on the moon, or both? There are lots of internet stories, why should non-nincompoops trust them? Apollo astronaut UFO encounters, I mean.
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  2344.  @upshiftgo  == I get this reaction a lot from nutters who have no rational response to my debunking reports at www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html, and I'm not offended -- considering the looniness and outright scams many of the tinfoil hatters promote, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T consider me their arch-enemy. Anybody willing to try and point out specific factual and logical flaws in these reports is graciously invited to have their say. Their decades-long silence on this simple challenge is eloquent indeed.
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  2345.  @upshiftgo  "Sorry mr keeper of all facts (you asked me to list astronaut names out to you so you can approve them or not), but this phenomenon is much bigger than you and you what you think is possible to exist" -- I don't see myself as the KEEPER of facts, just the opposite. The facts that we can assess as credible keep US steered true. So you won't even name the astronauts you say you believe, because you want to KEEP the non-facts that bolster your own self image? Shocker.
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  2346.  @upshiftgo  -- Anyhow, thanks for the thoughtful, extended remarks, let me cogitate more deeply on them, they deserve it. I expect to learn from and benefit from all these interactions. I wish you would too.
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  2347.  @upshiftgo  = "Your explanations for this video are what's irrational" == It's possible. Can you cite a few specific assertions of fact that I made that you believe are false, to pinpoint areas where the report need adjustment?
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  2348. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  2349. Here’s the amusing story about how an innocent remark during the first moonwalk mutated into the weirdest UFO myth of all time, alien ships lined up on the crater in front of the astronauts. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-white-spot-150415.pdf and here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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  2350. Bingo!
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  2351. Could you work up a sketch of what it looked like, to the naked-eye? So much better fine detail then overbright videocams at night. jamesEoberg@comcast.net
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  2352. [sigh] You've been duped by yet another internet hoax, when are you going to grow up? The hoaxers will keep lying to eager-believer nincompoops because you allow them to get away with it.
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  2353. Repost them.
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  2354. UFO salesmen promote 'fake UFOs'.
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  2355. Any chance you witnesses could make a sketch of what it looked like to you? The eye/brain sensory mechanism is far superior to automated instruments.
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  2356. Why can't it just be a reentering satellite making a fireball swarm, like over Hawaii last October 24?
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  2357. For sure you're a careless dabbler . Those misinterpretations AND outright hoaxes by the Italian kids were exposed back in the last century. Want the evidence?
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  2358. Great site. Here's a related event from Nov 7, 2015 -- California missile freak-out http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/misperceiving_missiles.pdf
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  2359. Historians recognized it as a hoax in the last century. The Internet is the 'worldwide web of lies.
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  2360. Amen, bro!
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  2361. Poor management creates bad results. Fatality RATES are about the same.
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  2362. Sorry you fell for the hoax.
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  2363. Dec 22, 2017 Falcon 9 VAFB launch http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Dec_22,_2017_falcon-9_Vandenberg_launch.pdf
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  2364. " NASA gets 5000 reports a year about seen UFO" == Wow! Did that information come to you in a dream, or can we see the source, too?
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  2365.  @pisky5067  -- You claimed it, =YOU= back it up.
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  2366. Please rephrase in English.
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  2367. I'm curious -- how has this narrative changed your attitude toward NASA's Apollo program?
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  2368. Horrifying how gullible you are.
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  2369. Are you his mother?
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  2370.  @Chihayamoon  -- If you're gullible nincompoop, that's exactly the kind of fans he's looking for. http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf
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  2371. Excellent question. Apparently at the end of the world tour the unit went back to the vendor, and later when somebody opened it to cannibalize some components, found it emptied. Nobody could even figure out in which county the snatch had occurred. So they told me.
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  2372. Plz explain why, they've got me bamboozled, can you help me?
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  2373.  @michaelsamuel9917  -- That's a reasonable speculation. Dwight says he actually WASN'T ostracized, but that students who knew he was the White House darling sucked u to him to piggyback on his privileged status. And he graduated on time, and got a great assignment fitting the training he'd received, as Director of Flight Test Operations for the US Bomber Command.
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  2374.  @The1TheyCallFoo313  - Thanks, 'silly' is the kindest thing I've been called on this debate [grin]. I was a serving USAF cadet in that same period so I had some exposure to the evolving culture. It still would be nice if there was some way to tell if the third-hand account he recalls hearing got distorted in the multiple retellings. Dwight says he actually WASN'T ostracized, but that students who knew he was the 'White House darling' sucked up to him to piggyback on his privileged status. And he graduated on time, and got a great assignment fitting the training he'd received, as Director of Flight Test Operations for the US Bomber Command. Dwight's own studies at the test pilot school in 1963 were hampered mostly by the White House demand he take three-day-weekends off traveling the country on lecture tours, which he admits was a significant distraction from his studies. He never disputed that his class standing suffered from that distraction.
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  2375.  @aimmortalslegacy2189 = "I read this comment several times" -- I've posted several comments here, please be more specific. Looks like this could be a productive conversation. Thank you.
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  2376.  @aimmortalslegacy2189  -- I was trying to say that the popular culture in 1963 was quite as awful as examples indicated. But it was spotty, and in many areas, starting to improve. To 'generalize would have been to say that the alleged Yeager quote was legit because that's what all white people were saying, is what I have questioned. As for the specific case of Yeager, here's a profile by black pilot who flew with him http://victoriayeager.com/emmett-hatch/
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  2377.  @slimtouche  "Is there any guarantee Yeager isn't racist??" == Sad we have to resort to such rationalizations to preserve out own points of view. The basis for the accusations of racism that I've heard seem based on harsh verbal behavior Yeager applied to all his students in the school, expressing doubt about their ability to get through, as a gimmick to spur them to greater efforts [and uncover those who wanted to rely on the 'pull' of their sponsors rather than their own skills]. .
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  2378.  @slimtouche  - No intent to deflect, pose it again and let me tackle it again.
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  2379.  @slimtouche == "you can't guarantee that Yeager never had a racist moment or phase then what's your point???" == The point is the baseless accusation that WITHOUT Yeager's alleged racism [which you seem to tacitly concede has no verifiable validation] Dwight would have been picked as an astronaut in 1963 and possibly been on an Apollo moon mission.
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  2380.  @slimtouche  == OK, I will.
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  2381. Where did it claim that? In your dreams?
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  2382. - How did you measure the distance, please?
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  2383. Old hoax, debunked decades ago, recycled by unscrupulous internet hucksters.
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  2384. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2385. … once again confirming that 'hoaxeder' loonies are delusional, ignorant morons.
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  2386. He inspired a follow-generation of black astronauts who fully joined into the triumphs and tragedies of space exploration. Worth all gratitude and honor from all earthmen.
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  2387. Actually, some California launches fire rocket engines again over Europe.
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  2388. Why couldn't THIS one have been a satellite reentry like they say?
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  2389. True, in general. This case - the recordings were judged to be hoaxes many, many years ago.
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  2390. Thanks for the citation. Krikalev's uniqueness is that he is the first space traveler who was a native citizen of the Space Age [born after Sputnik]. http://www.jamesoberg.com/image/hstn-sergey_krikalyov2005.jpg
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  2391. What's your top-credibility astronaut space UFO encounter story, and why, please?
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  2392. The issue of a 'secret sensor' on Mercury-9 in 1963 is controversial, folks in the spaceflight community think it's preposterous for a number of reasons. Miklos hasn't yet provided enough details of the story he says Cooper told him to check it all out, but a lot of the initial claims are dubious [and Cooper WAS telling a lot of wild stories in his later years]]. For example, there were only a few dozen ground photos taken, none over the Caribbean area [the 'thousands' claim is a misinterpreted comment about counting something else entirely]. The idea of a secret sensor trailing on a tether fails any number of 'reality checks'. There was no known way to determine latitude/longitude by eyeball out the window, and the idea of Cooper keeping a secret logbook that NASA never was shown DOES sound like a SciFi movie. The finds DO look impressive, whether they were from a 'secret map' or other research Miklos and his Dad have been doing for decdes is still unclear. Using the 'space map' story to get funding for the dives might have been a clever sales ploy, more power to him.
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  2393. There were rumors about secret Russian fatalities in the 1960s. When checked out -- especially with access after the USSR collapsed -- ALL those stories were totally debunked [the Bondarenko fire immediately gave rise to misinterpretations it was a secret launch]. Nowadays many internet huckster sites have revived the fairy tales but conceal the research that disproved them -- spreading hoaxes aimed at gullible nincompoops. Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf Ppt http://www.jamesoberg.com/cosmonot.pdf 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2394. If you just rely on the version in the NY Times, maybe you still don't know important parts of the whole story.
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  2395. Test question: what's your military rank?
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  2396. Nitwits Adore Space Aliens
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  2397. Fun phony, actually.
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  2398. The boys were SWLs -- shortwave listeners -- but not 'hams' [not licensed to transmit]. and they did hoax these recordings. But Gagarin was first, and the other stories turned out to be myths as well. Very confusing -- and EXCITING -- times, as I recall! www.jamesoberg.com
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  2399. Thanks for that reference. Kaminski denies it, the brothers probably made that up like all their other stories. Nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf
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  2400. Great discussion of a genuinely weird actual plan.
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  2401. TWA800 missile story was bullshit. I've walked through the reassembled debris at the NTSB. Internal explosion.
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  2402. Find some 14-yr-old Boy Scout with the 'Space Exploration' merit badge to explain it to you.
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  2403.  @remolalougarou6512  -- You don't want real answers, you want to be acknowledged by your mocking relatives to have been right all along. And you weren't.
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  2404. -- You LIKE being duped with nonsense myths?
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  2405. Tesla was amazingly real. The 'Black Knight' is a fairy tale promoted by internet hucksters, IMHO.
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  2406.  @cathyk9615  == We had spurious UFO books and club newsletters, worked the same way only slower.
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  2407.  @cathyk9615  -- Are you looking for truth, or just proof you weren't foolish enough to be so easily scammed?
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  2408. SicSem, somebody ELSE benefits politically from heightened inter-racial resentment as promoted by the NY Times '1619 Project', but accurate history is the loser. Yeager had nothing to do with 'astronaut applicants', it was a newly-established 'Aerospace Research Pilots" course follow-on for the standard USAF Test Pilot course [which Dwight had already completed]. Once the White House focused attention on him for get-out-the-vote purposes, he was obligated to leave the base for three-day-weekends doing nationwide speaking tours on behalf of the White House, and he made it clear that it was that time-away politically-imposed distraction that kept his ratings middling good, but not top drawer [and not any alleged career sabotage from Yeager, whose racist directive is only a third-hand hearsay without ANY primary or secondary witnesses]. The two top guys [Scott and Freeman] were picked by NASA in September 1963, and the class ended as scheduled in December with the remaining students disbursed to senior test pilot duties throughout the USAF [Dwight was named Director for Flight Test Operations at Wright-Patterson AFB, a senior assignment]. Kennedy's assassination in November had zero influence on the September selection OR on the long-scheduled December end of the training course. One additional factor NASA would have considered that is usually omitted in media accounts is that Dwight [at 5'3"] was 3" shorter than the design minimum piloting height for the Apollo Lunar Module [designed for 5th to 95th percentile male height for that time].
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  2409. Ilyushin story debunked in the last century, please catch up.
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  2410. Russians didn't try until June 1963, and succeeded -- Seagull.
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  2411. Kiss it goodbye!
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  2412. Why nobody believes the Judica-Cordiglia brothers any more http://www.jamesoberg.com/judica-cordiglia.pdf and http://www.jamesoberg.com/udica-cordiglia-2.pdf The serious historians of space flight concluded that the boys were faking it long ago. It is a pity that modern internet authors revive the nonsense, in order to trick a new generation. Here is the evidence. 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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  2413. In your dreams. Show us a checkable link.
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  2414. Astonish us with what you think you know.
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  2415. Those spurious stories have lately gotten a new lease on life from internet scammers exploiting a new generation of credulous nitwits. Decades ago it was an unsolved mystery. In hindsight, it was a stupid hoax for fame, fortune, and hot dates with Italian starlets. Today it is a nitwit-aimed internet scam.
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  2416. It was plausible in those days, and there were lots of rumors of secret space deaths. As it turned out, none actually happened. Want the details?
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  2417. Why are you so gullible to long-debunked hoaxes?
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  2418. Why not? Why can't it just be a satellite reentering and breaking up?
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  2419. Those were indeed the stories at that time. Turns out they were a mixture of distorted rumors of cosmonaut trainee Valentin Bondarenko's death hyped by media passions to get a story out ahead of rivals. Researched, debunked, and documented here: 1975 http://www.jamesoberg.com/phantoms.html 1988 http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html Finding deleted cosmonauts [illustrated chapter] http://www.jamesoberg.com/vanishing_cosmonauts_with_photos.pdf
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  2420. And you =BELIEVED= it? How old are you?
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  2421.  @LBCB94025  == Wish I was!! [grin]
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  2422. Any reputable source? How would it be detected that far out? And what kind of booster did they have in that era to even get it there?
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  2423.  @LBCB94025  == Every variation ought to be considered., for sure. It was an amazing time and nobody seemed to have a clear picture. Hindsight -- and disclosure of secret Soviet records - cleared up a lot after the USSR collapsed. I go to hold in my hands the personal diaries of top Soviet space officials whose families later had to sell them to Western auction houses, to earn enough money to survive. Me at Sotheby's with secret diaries: http://www.jamesoberg.com/image/jim-mishin-diaries_thumb.jpg
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  2424.  @LBCB94025  == That would be impressive evidence. But are you sure that some anonymous blogger just didn't make it up? L1 isn't a stable point, after all.
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  2425.  @LBCB94025  == Thanks -- I get a lot of helpful suggestions from strangers out there... www.jamesoberg.com Current interest: I've found that most people get their impressions of what a rocket should 'look like' from brief unrepresentative video clips, video games, and Hollywood SFX. So I've been collecting public views of rocket-related events and examining why intelligent, rational, sober people often reach unusual conclusions using time-tested earthside mental processes. I'm developing a blog on that subject, a rough draft is here, and your suggestions would be very helpful to me. https://rocketspotting.blogspot.com/2019/01/introduction.html
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  2426. Can you share a sketch of the details you saw in the shape?
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  2427. He went into space himself, right? With the aliens on their saucer, I heard him say.
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  2428. Here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. NOT a UFO, sorry. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
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