Comments by "John Adam" (@johnadam2885) on "Into Europe"
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@sababugs1125 'Not an inch forward was promised to Gorbachev during the ussr . After it collapsed west had every right to accept anyone it liked. '
You are a typical duplicitous westerner who wants his cake and eat it. So you think that what was promised to Gorbachov as Soviet Union does not apply to Russia. Even if legally correct, it was against the spirit of detente. Gorbachov has shown goodwill, but you stabbed Russia in the back. That is your culture and breeding. Yeltsin had been furious when he observed the first NATO expansion and saw it as a betrayal. He had said 'the Soviet Union is gone, but Russia will be back, you just wait'.
Russia is back. It had protested all NATO actions and seeing the west was ignoring it, Russia decided to take action against the remaining ex Soviet countries to stem NATO advance. Now you find Russia can take on 30 countries both militarily and economically.
'Ukraine being nato would mean it would be protected by article 5 meaning Putin couldn't take Crimea and donbass to boost popularity back home '.
First of all, Ukraine is not in NATO, so there is no Article 5. Secondly, you have not read Article 5. Article 5 offers no guarantee of armed counter. All it says is if one member is attacked, other members may/will take measures to defend that member, in various ways each one sees fit, including and up to armed attack. There is no compulsion nor guarantee that anyone will take armed measures. Thus, Lithuania blocked Kaliningrad claiming it was following the EU. That is a direct attack on Russia's internal business, then Russia could have pounced swiftly at some stage. If that happened, what would Lithuania do ? To invoke Article 5, NATO would have to call a meeting of 30 and get parliamentary approvals. It all depends on the US being prepared to fight. The US may decide it does not want a nuclear war, it will support Lithuania from the outside.
So don't fool yourself. Don't mess with Russia and don't over estimate about NATO's strength. When was the last time NATO won a war ? Afghanistan exit was a debacle.
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