Comments by "John Adam" (@johnadam2885) on "NBC News"
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@danfonzeMonkey An attack on one is an attack on all.
That the US could apply to Afghanistan because it is defenceless. It could take its collection of weak allies.
But fighting Russia ? The US will run away first. (It ran away first from Kabul, so you can imagine if confronted with nuclear war what it will do). Its spineless allies will prostrate themselves in front of Russia if the US left.
Kissinger had said the US would not fight a nuclear war with the USSR to save Germany or Europe. That will be the case now also : the US is not going to fight a nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine or Lithuania. That is self-evident in Biden's talk. When NATO was talking about a 'no fly zone', Putin warned NATO countries would face consequences they have not faced before. Biden quickly quelled the clamour for a 'no fly zone'.
Before you spout from hearsay like a layman 'An attack on one is an attack on all; I advise you to read the fine print.
According to the NATO website, Article 5 specifically lays out:
"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.'
The action 'as deemed necessary' leaves it open to individual parties; the principal in NATO, the US, may decide it does not want to go to war. And the rest of NATO will back down.
The statement 'including the use of armed force' is not the same as saying an attack on a NATO member 'will incur the use of armed force on the aggressor'.
These things are worded by crafty Anglo Saxon lawyers and they leave an escape clause open for themselves - in this case, the US. The ones who don't understand English go with simplistic notions as 'An attack on one is an attack on all'. The US can demand that NATO allies go to Afghanistan and the 30 weak allies will oblige. The reverse is not always true - the 30 allies cannot ask the US to oblige them. Why should the US have all its cities obliterated for Ukraine or Lithuania ?
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The obvious and inevitable happened. Ukraine got defeated because it acquired delusions based on the belief it had become western. Its 'partners' who were encouraging Ukraine to fight and were swearing to support it for 'as long as it takes' realise Russia cannot be defeated. The west ran out of arms and money; and Ukraine ran out of people. Sobre minds saw this long ago. But the supporters of Ukraine carried on out of false pride. Being defeated causes burning especially when you believe you are the most superior in the world. Now the US wants to cut its losses and leave. The vassals of the US are also going to do the same, albeit with pious promises of Ukraine's entry into EU and NATO at an undefined date.
Boris Johnson, a singularly wicked former British PM, said in 2021, that Putin should not be allowed to win, as that would end the 'rules based international order' (look at his bloody cheek - the UK and US invaded Iraq based on false claims). In 2024, Johnson said in a video, if Putin wins, it will be 'end of western hegemony'. That was a candid admission of what the west is fighting for : 'rules based international order' = western hegemony.
Since Russia has defeated the collective west, and the latter has to surrender Ukraine to Russian demands, following BoJo, we can say Russia has ended western hegemony. The rest of the world feels sorry for Ukraine's foolishness, but thanks Russia for ending western hegemony
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