Comments by "J Groovy" (@jgroovy1973) on "Fox News"
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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Assad and Saddam gassed their own people. People ask, "How can they do that?" It's because they don't consider them their own. Trump says the Chinese are more honorable than Chuck and Nancy. He said Putin was a better leader than Obama, a former US PRESIDENT, whose coat-tails Trump rode in on. (Did he say, "Thanks for the good economy, Obama. I'll keep up the good work"? No. He bashes Obama constantly. It used to be a no-no to even mention your predecessor!) To Trump, it's no big deal that Jamal Kashoggi was lured-out of his home and butchered by a tyrant. Maybe because Kashoggi was an Arab who worked for the "fake news"? Trump said, "The Saudis buy real estate from me. I'm supposed to hate them?" He considered sending a former US Ambassador to Russia TO Russia to fulfill Putin's vendetta. Michael Flynn tried to have a Turk, a US resident, kidnapped and delivered to Erdogan to take the fall for a failed coup attempt. Roger Stone said that the Democrats were worse than the Russians, AFTER it was well-known that Putin meddled in our election. It's well-known that Trump is, and has always been working hard to lift sanctions on Russian oligarchs DIRECTLY IMPLICATED IN THE MEDDLING.
But the national security emergency is on the border with Mexico?
Trump betrays his own people. He is loyal only to money, and he owes Russian banks. They're the only ones who would finance him after he failed with daddy's money in New York. (No? Then, let's see those tax returns).
Before you Trump cultists say I'm lying or brainwashed by CNN, Google it. Check multiple sources. If you think the entire MSM are deep state operatives working for the DNC, you're hopelessly ignorant. You'll see. The Mueller report is coming soon.
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When did conservatives become the anti-war, pro free speech crowd? Oh yeah, when Trump got elected. It's not genuine. They don't want to stand up to North Korea or Russia anymore, but they'll gladly support Trump if he starts a war with Iran or Venezuela. And what short memories. Now, we have conservatives saying, "The liberal media was pushing for the Iraq war." What? Are they too young to remember or just trying to revise history?
As for free speech, they're quick to condemn criticism of their own as "hate speech", but have no problem with Trump trashing the American free press in the presence of journalist killers like MBS, Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin. Ignorant, tribal, hypocritical double standards. They're simply anti-liberal, no matter what the facts are.
Just remember, Trump was for the Iraq war before he was against it, and he says we should have TAKEN THEIR OIL. And remember, Trump is the habitual liar who paid for fake polls and spent his life planting stories in the tabloids. "Fake news" is his specialty.
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Person, man, woman, camera, TV, covfefe, Larry, Curley, Moe, Shemp, Janet, Chrissy, Terry, Cindy, Jack...I got good smarts. Me good brain get extra poynts!
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What is the benefit of faking high poll numbers? What's the strategy? Whether you think Hillary's high poll numbers in 2016 were fake or not, they HURT her chances. High poll numbers had folks not voting because they thought she couldn't lose. By the same token, LOW poll numbers help turnout. You gotta show up for the team when they need you.
In a horse race, where there's money involved, one might want to DEFLATE the odds so the payoff is bigger when the longshot wins.
Now, if it's a POPULARITY contest, that's different. False positives might make people just want to be on the winning side. That's a bad way to choose your leaders. Do you vote based on popularity? But voting is PRIVATE. You're not betting on a football game, and even in football, people tend to bet on the team they believe in. If you vote just to be on the winning side, please don't vote.
Now, say you're an independent polling company, or take polls for CNN. Those companies and news outlets COMPETE for ACCURACY. They don't work for the "deep state." They're not slaves of the DNC. They work for SPONSORS. They're slaves of MONEY.
In a cost/benefit analysis, it makes sense to be as accurate as possible than to fudge the numbers at the expense of being the OUTLIER, and being seen as untrustworthy. Untrusted news outlets get fewer viewers, and fewer SPONSORS. That means MONEY.
Speed and accuracy are what the media COMPETE for. It's why they're always going on about being "trusted" and being "first with breaking news." When people say, "You can't trust corporate media," and also say, "Media is with the Socialist Democrats," they obviously don't see that those two things contradict each other. Capitalism thrives on competition.
Maybe I'm missing something. So, please, tell me how a fake poll helps a candidate.
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Is it because Trump used the slogan, "drain the swamp", you cult followers think he, himself, can't possibly be crooked? Is that it? His cabinet is as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Ryan Zinke, Scott Pruitt, Tom Price, Rob Porter, and Mike Flynn were ousted in scandal. Ben Carson is under suspicion. Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, George Papadopoulos, and Rick Gates pleaded guilty to felonies. Just wait and see how it goes with Don Jr, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, Jarred Kushner, and Ivanka Trump. Hell, even Eric "Short Bus" Trump is being looked at for charity fraud. "All the best people", right?
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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-The Trump Tower meeting was a QUID PRO QUO with members of the Russian GOVERNMENT to trade illegally obtained DIRT for SANCTION RELIEF. That's collusion as part of a conspiracy.
- Trump's campaign chairman, felon, and cooperating witness, Paul Manafort, was at the Trump Tower meeting. He offered polling data to a known Russian intelligence officer. 21 states' voter rolls were hacked. Manafort had been a lobbyist for Putin. He helped install a crooked, pro-Russian dictator in Ukraine.
- The Trump campaign requested one change to the RNC platform. At the convention, attended by Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer made this request. The staffer says he was asked to do it by senior campaign members. Manafort and Trump have publicly denied any involvement.
- Trump campaign self described "dirty trickster", Roger Stone, said he had contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange, the very hackers who hacked the DNC and the guy who weaponized the information.
- Trump's personal lawyer, convicted felon, Michael Cohen, has named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC case that involved bank fraud. Cohen was convicted of lying to investigators about his willingness to travel abroad to further a Trump Tower Moscow deal. Trump lied about pursuing the deal. Both lied about working on it during the campaign. The Steele dossier asserts that Cohen met with Russians in Prague. (Not willing to travel?)
- Trump foreign relations advisor and convicted felon, George Papadopoulos, suggested to the campaign that Trump should meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
- On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." Both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew.
- 16 Trump associates lied about 87 contacts with Russians after Trump said there were no contacts whatsoever. Mike Pence was asked if there was any contact. He replied, "Of course not. Why would there be?" Yeah, Mike. Why would there be?
- Trump's son-in law and Sr. advisor, Jarred Kushner, met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to discuss setting-up a back-channel to the Kremlin. They discussed a deal in which the US would provide sanction relief in exchange for help with Kushner's 666 5th Avenue money pit of a real estate venture.
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- The FBI had asked the Trump campaign to call if they saw anything suspicious, but nobody did. Later, Trump would say, (about the Trump Tower meeting), "I think anyone would have taken that meeting".
- During the campaign, former National Security Advisor, convicted felon, Michael Flynn went to Moscow for an RT event. (RT - Russia Today, aka, Russian propaganda), and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. He lied about his compensation. He failed to register as a foreign agent.
- Trump security advisor, Carter Page, went to Moscow and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. (Note that Page had gotten caught-up in a Russian spy ring in 2013).
- Trump said, "NATO is obsolete". NATO exists to protect Europe from Russian aggression.
- At a NATO summit, Trump refused to reaffirm Article 5, (The 'all for one' article only evoked once, by the US, after 9/11).
- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian, state-run, oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after Tillerson publicly criticized Putin.
- Putin did NOT want Clinton to become President. As Secretary of State, she was tough on him. Since taking office, Trump has defunded and refused to fully staff the State Department.
- "Russia, if you're listening..."
- Trump has NEVER criticized Putin.
- Trump has never expressed anger or disappointment with any of his people for dealing with Russians, supposedly behind his back.
- Trump has repeated Russian propaganda many times. Recently, he said the USSR occupied Afghanistan in '79 because of terrorists, and was "right to do it". (The US was instrumental in driving out the Soviets).
- Against the advice of the US military and Secretary of Defense, Trump ordered a troop withdrawal from Syria. (a day before Putin's annual press conference). Russia is in Syria to protect the Assad regime.
- Under Obama, the official US position on Syria was that Assad should go. Trump changed that to allow Assad to stay for now.
- Around the time Putin was running a disinformation campaign against Montenegro, Trump told FOX News he thought Montenegro might start WWIII.
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John Allen Lauridsen Jr. - Canada, France, the US, and half of Europe have socialist elements. Cuba is not France is not China. And China has been very successful. Democratic Socialism is NOT code for Communism. That's exactly what I'm talking about- If you slap labels on ideas in order to demonize, you shut down debate and new ideas don't get a chance. Socialist movements start at the grass roots, then a leader emerges who is NOT actually representing socialism. It's the habits and histories of those people and those countries, not the idea, that caused THOSE governments, (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela...), to fail.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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Try to understand, Trump followers: Spying on a campaign is bad. Surveillance on an enemy is good. So, when a campaign gets in bed with our enemy, it REQUIRES surveillance of that enemy.
Christophe Steele, former British spy, reporting his oppo research findings to the FBI was GOOD. The British are our allies. We have a COMMON GOAL - to reign-in the Putin regime. Putin wants to do harm to the US.
If Steele had given his findings, THOSE findings, to Clinton, it would have been wrong. But he DIDN'T do that. He went to the FBI instead.
Clinton didn't use the dossier in her campaign. She never saw it. MSM didn't even want to report it. It couldn't be verified, and might have been TRULY fake news. Only "cat video" Buzzfeed put it out. MSM is NOT working with the DNC and the FBI. There is no "leftist deep state". That's just paranoid, tribal, conspiracy theory, That's not the way things work.
On the other hand, Trump DID invite and accept help from a foreign GOVERNMENT - to help his CAMPAIGN, not to help his COUNTRY.
Do Trumpers not understand this?? The findings of the FBI's counterintelligence probe, as with ALL counterintelligence probes, weren't meant for public eyes, and certainly not for the eyes of political campaign operatives. The Mueller probe started later, because Trump was acting so shady and obstructiony that we needed an independent, non-political body to look into it.
And you can't have it both ways. If the Steele dossier was collusion with Russia, then the Trump Tower meeting was super-duper collusion. Got it? Tell me how it isn't.
Any questions?
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We know Trump and his people use every tool they can to dig up dirt on their opponents. And what have they ever found? Obama? We know how the birther thing worked out for them. Wire "tapps"? Nada. Good luck with the embedded spy thing. They found nothing when they tried to get dirt on the people involved in the Iran deal. Trump can't even prove that the Iran deal, DACA, or anything else Obama did turned disastrous. Hillary Clinton? They had the help of the Russian intelligence services - all of the DNC emails - and barely a thing. So, some DNC staffers once talked about going after Bernie Sanders over his religion and didn't even follow through. Created some scheduling conflicts for him? Ooooh, maajor corruption! Hillary's emails? Not one single instance of classified information getting in the wrong hands. Podesta's "spirit cooking" ?? Nonsense like "pizzagate" and the wholly debunked Uranium 1 thing? (Bribed ONE of NINE heads of agencies??). The notion that Clinton controlled the FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA, DHS, the entire mainstream media, the Obama White House, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence is absurd. Rosenstein has been giving Nunes more than he legally deserves, and found nothing but some vague texts about an "insurance policy". Yeah, that proves everything (sarcasm)... Now - What has the Mueller probe turned-up? And the Mueller probe hasn't even leaked!
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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Which one is it, Trumpers? Does everyone LOVE "Killery Cliton" so much that the "libturds" protect her enough to run the deep state, the DNC, the FBI, and the CIA, (Despite the fact that she hasn't worked in government since 2012, had to pump money into the DNC just to run in 2016, and Republicans control all three branches now), or is it, as Trump says, "Everybody knows" the Clintons are evil, murderous liars? I'm confused. Enlighten me.
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- Roger Stone and partner, Jerome Corsi "predicted" the DNC email hacks with astounding accuracy. Before Clinton campaign mgr., John Podesta's email account was hacked, Stone emailed an associate, saying, "It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel".
- 80% of the communication requests on a server in Trump Tower came from a Russian bank. (19% from Sec. of Education, Betsy DeVos, and her brother, former Blackwater chief, Eric Prince. The remaining 1% comprised all others).
- The Special Council's office has charged and jailed a suspected Russian spy, Maria Butina, in connection with money laundering through the NRA.
- The Trump Foundation charity has been dissolved. It is being investigated for what the New York AG says is a "shocking pattern of illegality". Donald Trump wrote a check, from the foundation's account, for $25k to then Florida AG, Pam Bondi, who then declined to move a lawsuit foward against Trump University. A donation from the charity was traced to a portrait of Trump hanging in a country club.
- Russian born gangster, felon, and Trump business partner, Felix Sater, is reputed to have been working to get Trump elected. Sater worked with Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Trump said he didn't know Sater well, and "probably wouldn't recognize him if I saw him". Sater was at Trump's election victory party.
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I'm no psychologist or psychiatrist, but I think Trump has ODD, Oppositional Defiance Disorder, a condition where someone refuses to take advice or suggestions simply because they can't stand to be told what to do. It's why he repeats behavior that reflects poorly on him, even though he is obsessed with his image.
A family member I know well has this condition. I always said, "If he was standing in the road, and I said, 'Car's coming. Move,'" he would stand there and get hit rather than move. When Trump got elected, I started noticing LOTS of similarities between them. I used to also think that if my family member had money or power, he'd be dangerous.
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-The Trump Tower meeting was a QUID PRO QUO with members of the Russian GOVERNMENT to trade illegally obtained DIRT for SANCTION RELIEF. That's collusion as part of a conspiracy.
- Trump's campaign chairman, felon, and cooperating witness, Paul Manafort, was at the Trump Tower meeting. He offered polling data to a known Russian intelligence officer. 21 states' voter rolls were hacked. Manafort had been a lobbyist for Putin. He helped install a crooked, pro-Russian dictator in Ukraine.
- The Trump campaign requested one change to the RNC platform. At the convention, attended by Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer made this request. The staffer says he was asked to do it by senior campaign members. Manafort and Trump have publicly denied any involvement.
- Trump campaign self described "dirty trickster", Roger Stone, said he had contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange, the very hackers who hacked the DNC and the guy who weaponized the information.
- Trump's personal lawyer, convicted felon, Michael Cohen, has named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC case that involved bank fraud. Cohen was convicted of lying to investigators about his willingness to travel abroad to further a Trump Tower Moscow deal. Trump lied about pursuing the deal. Both lied about working on it during the campaign. The Steele dossier asserts that Cohen met with Russians in Prague. (Not willing to travel?)
- Trump foreign relations advisor and convicted felon, George Papadopoulos, suggested to the campaign that Trump should meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
- On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." Both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew.
- 16 Trump associates lied about 87 contacts with Russians after Trump said there were no contacts whatsoever. Mike Pence was asked if there was any contact. He replied, "Of course not. Why would there be?" Yeah, Mike. Why would there be?
- Trump's son-in law and Sr. advisor, Jarred Kushner, met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to discuss setting-up a back-channel to the Kremlin. They discussed a deal in which the US would provide sanction relief in exchange for help with Kushner's 666 5th Avenue money pit of a real estate venture.
- In a private meeting with Putin, Trump took possession of the notes of his own interpreter, and instructed the linguist not to discuss what transpired in the meeting with administration officials.
- The FBI had asked the Trump campaign to call if they saw anything suspicious, but nobody did. Later, Trump would say, (about the Trump Tower meeting), "I think anyone would have taken that meeting".
- At the Helsinki Summit, Trump said he didn't see why Russia would meddle in our election. (Because US intelligence told him they did).
- During the campaign, former National Security Advisor, convicted felon, Michael Flynn went to Moscow for an RT event. (RT - Russia Today, aka, Russian propaganda), and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. He lied about his compensation. He failed to register as a foreign agent.
- Trump security advisor, Carter Page, went to Moscow and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. (Page got caught-up in a Russian spy ring in 2013).
- Trump said, "NATO is obsolete". NATO exists to protect Europe from Russian aggression.
- At a NATO summit, Trump refused to reaffirm Article 5, (The 'all for one' article only evoked once, by the US, after 9/11).
- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian, state-run, oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after he publicly criticized Putin.
- Putin did NOT want Clinton to become President. As Secretary of State, she was tough on him. Since taking office, Trump has defunded and refused to fully staff the State Department.
- "Russia, if you're listening..."
- Trump has NEVER criticized Putin.
- Trump has never expressed anger or disappointment with any of his people for dealing with Russians, supposedly behind his back.
- Trump repeated Russian propaganda many times. He said the USSR occupied Afghanistan in '79 because of terrorists, and was "right to do it". (The US was instrumental in driving out the Soviets).
- Trump ordered a troop withdrawal from Syria. (a day before Putin's annual press conference). Russia is in Syria to protect the Assad regime. This prompted the resignation of the Secretary of Defense.
- Under Obama, the official US position on Syria was that Assad should go. Trump changed that to allow Assad to stay for now.
- While Putin was running a disinformation campaign against Montenegro, Trump said he thought Montenegro might start WWIII. (Montenegro? Can Trump even find France on a map? Of all countries, he chose one with a multisyllabic name to use as an example? He's too lazy to finish most sentences when he speaks in public).
- Roger Stone and partner, Jerome Corsi "predicted" the DNC email hacks with astounding accuracy. Before Clinton campaign mgr., John Podesta's email account was hacked, Stone emailed an associate, saying, "It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel".
- 80% of the communication requests on a server in Trump Tower came from a Russian bank. (19% from Sec. of Education, Betsy DeVos, and her brother, former Blackwater chief, Eric Prince. The remaining 1% comprised all others).
- The Special Council's office has charged and jailed a suspected Russian spy, Maria Butina, in connection with money laundering through the NRA.
- The Trump Foundation charity has been dissolved. It is being investigated for what the New York AG says is a "shocking pattern of illegality". Donald Trump wrote a check, from the foundation's account, for $25k to then Florida AG, Pam Bondi, who then declined to move a lawsuit forward against Trump University. A donation from the charity was traced to a portrait of Trump hanging in a country club.
- Russian born gangster, felon, and Trump business partner, Felix Sater, is reputed to have been working to get Trump elected. He worked with Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Trump said he didn't know Sater well, and "probably wouldn't recognize him if I saw him". Sater was at Trump's election victory party.
- In January, 2019 Trump hired 17 new lawyers to work on how to evoke executive privilege. That means his strategy is all about CONCEALING what he has done and said. He obviously doesn't think the facts look good for him.
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People have a tendency to feel that, on any subject, they must have an opinion, they must form it immediately, and they cannot change that opinion, no matter what. It's a defense mechanism. It can help you win. It can help you get the best of your opponent. But it cannot help you solve a problem.
Trump has used this to create a virtual cult. Cult 45. But don't give him credit for strategy. He's like a little kid in tantrum, kicking and screaming for a cookie on the kitchen floor. Is that kid smart? No. He just knows it works. He has no concept of the fact that he will grow up later, and feel stupid about it. Trump never had to grow up and see his foolishness. He's been living on Daddy's money. Some rich people do great things with it, and some, especially the ones with inherited wealth, never grow up. They act like narcissistic douchebags their whole lives.
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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Try to understand, Trump followers: Spying on a campaign is bad. Surveillance on an enemy is good. So, when a campaign gets in bed with our enemy, it REQUIRES surveillance of that enemy.
Christophe Steele, former British spy, reporting his oppo research findings to the FBI was GOOD. The British are our allies. We have a COMMON GOAL - to reign-in the Putin regime. Putin wants to do harm to the US.
If Steele had given his findings, THOSE findings, to Clinton, it would have been wrong. But he DIDN'T do that. He went to the FBI instead.
Clinton didn't use the dossier in her campaign. She never saw it. MSM didn't even want to report it. It couldn't be verified, and might have been TRULY fake news. Only "cat video" Buzzfeed put it out. MSM is NOT working with the DNC and the FBI. There is no "leftist deep state". That's just paranoid, tribal, conspiracy theory, That's not the way things work.
On the other hand, Trump DID invite and accept help from a foreign GOVERNMENT - to help his CAMPAIGN, not to help his COUNTRY.
Do Trumpers not understand this?? The findings of the FBI's counterintelligence probe, as with ALL counterintelligence probes, weren't meant for public eyes, and certainly not for the eyes of political campaign operatives. The Mueller probe started later, because Trump was acting so shady and obstructiony that we needed an independent, non-political body to look into it.
And you can't have it both ways. If the Steele dossier was collusion with Russia, then the Trump Tower meeting was super-duper collusion. Got it? Tell me how it isn't.
Any questions?
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In a bizarre interview with Tucker Carlson, Trump launched into a tale about liberal cities being overrun with filth, and how people are pissing in the streets and making the cops ill. He made a point to say it was worse in sanctuary cities, and said it started two years ago. He said he is looking into it very seriously, (But he's not looking into abhorrent conditions in border facilities). He said that it hurts our country because it looks bad to foreign dignitaries. As usual, he used fragmented sentences, endless tangents, and vagaries. What the hell?? HIS BASE SEES NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS?? It was his own words with a FOX News host, but, no doubt, his followers will say it's the media making him look bad! Time to look seriously at the 25th Amendment. He is the PRESIDENT, and he talks like that all the time! We are living in the bizarro world, folks.
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When it comes to suspicions about Russia, Trump sure wants the presumption of innocence. He takes it further. Never mind that our security made it the DUTY of the FBI to investigate, Trump and his associates' many lies about Russian contacts were more than enough probable cause for a probe. But he insists the probe was criminal.
Yet, when it comes to the presumption of innocence of suspects in street crimes, Trump says cops should slam their heads on the roofs of cop cars when arresting them. Never mind that even the guilty have civil rights.
When it comes to press coverage, he CONSTANTLY uses the term, "fake news". He takes it further. He uses the Stalin term, "enemy of the people" to describe the American free press.
Yet, he lies CONSTANTLY.
When it comes to foreign governments offering information on his political opponents, he calls it oppo research.
Yet, when an American oppo research firm had information on him, he called it treason.
When someone criticizes him, he calls it an attack on America, and says critics should leave the country.
Yet, when he criticizes someone, no matter how nasty or unprovoked, he calls it a "counter punch".
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You people are really reaching. WAKE UP!! This is totally consistent with Trump's attitude and prior statements. The more you stay in denial, the harder it will be to leave the MAGA cult. Have you noticed that Trump followers won't criticize ANYTHING he does or says? He's perfect?
No. The weaker your case, the more you get defensive. But sure, EVERYTHING this obviously flawed, inexperienced man does is either the smartest thing in the world or a lie concocted by the Dems and the mecia, right? Everyone is lying but him, all the time? My God, then you take it further and play "gotcha" with every little thing you can spin up on a Democrat - usually false, but when true, almost ALWAYS something Trump, himself, has done WAY worse! Pure projection.
FACE FACTS. Trump is an unempathetic, inexperienced, elitist, cheating, habitually lying, narcissistic MORON with a major personality disorder.
ACCEPT IT AND LET HIM GO ALREADY!
Jeez, all you need to do is ask yourself, "If Obama or Hillary had done or said this, what would I think?"
Do I need to repeat that? If it was Clinton or Obama, what would you believe? Would you believe the media? Would you defend them?
Just ask YOURSELF, so you don't get all pissy and defensive from waging a losing argument with someone. Then wake up and grow up!!
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-The Trump Tower meeting was a QUID PRO QUO with members of the Russian GOVERNMENT to trade illegally obtained DIRT for SANCTION RELIEF. That's collusion as part of a conspiracy.
- Trump's campaign chairman, felon, and cooperating witness, Paul Manafort, was at the Trump Tower meeting. He offered polling data to a known Russian intelligence officer. 21 states' voter rolls were hacked. Manafort had been a lobbyist for Putin. He helped install a crooked, pro-Russian dictator in Ukraine.
- The Trump campaign requested one change to the RNC platform. At the convention, attended by Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer made this request. The staffer says he was asked to do it by senior campaign members. Manafort and Trump have publicly denied any involvement.
- Trump campaign self described "dirty trickster", Roger Stone, said he had contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange, the very hackers who hacked the DNC and the guy who weaponized the information.
- Trump's personal lawyer, convicted felon, Michael Cohen, has named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC case that involved bank fraud. Cohen was convicted of lying to investigators about his willingness to travel abroad to further a Trump Tower Moscow deal. Trump lied about pursuing the deal. Both lied about working on it during the campaign. The Steele dossier asserts that Cohen met with Russians in Prague. (Not willing to travel?)
- Trump foreign relations advisor and convicted felon, George Papadopoulos, suggested to the campaign that Trump should meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
- On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." Both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew.
- 16 Trump associates lied about 87 contacts with Russians after Trump said there were no contacts whatsoever. Mike Pence was asked if there was any contact. He replied, "Of course not. Why would there be?" Yeah, Mike. Why would there be?
- Trump's son-in law and Sr. advisor, Jarred Kushner, met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to discuss setting-up a back-channel to the Kremlin. They discussed a deal in which the US would provide sanction relief in exchange for help with Kushner's 666 5th Avenue money pit of a real estate venture.
- In a private meeting with Putin, Trump took possession of the notes of his own interpreter, and instructed the linguist not to discuss what transpired in the meeting with administration officials.
- The FBI had asked the Trump campaign to call if they saw anything suspicious, but nobody did. Later, Trump would say, (about the Trump Tower meeting), "I think anyone would have taken that meeting".
- At the Helsinki Summit, Trump said he didn't see why Russia would meddle in our election. (Because US intelligence told him they did).
- During the campaign, former National Security Advisor, convicted felon, Michael Flynn went to Moscow for an RT event. (RT - Russia Today, aka, Russian propaganda), and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. He lied about his compensation. He failed to register as a foreign agent.
- Trump security advisor, Carter Page, went to Moscow and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. (Page got caught-up in a Russian spy ring in 2013).
- Trump said, "NATO is obsolete". NATO exists to protect Europe from Russian aggression.
- At a NATO summit, Trump refused to reaffirm Article 5, (The 'all for one' article only evoked once, by the US, after 9/11).
- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian, state-run, oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after he publicly criticized Putin.
- Putin did NOT want Clinton to become President. As Secretary of State, she was tough on him. Since taking office, Trump has defunded and refused to fully staff the State Department.
- "Russia, if you're listening..."
- Trump has NEVER criticized Putin.
- Trump has never expressed anger or disappointment with any of his people for dealing with Russians, supposedly behind his back.
- Trump repeated Russian propaganda many times. He said the USSR occupied Afghanistan in '79 because of terrorists, and was "right to do it". (The US was instrumental in driving out the Soviets).
- Trump ordered a troop withdrawal from Syria. (a day before Putin's annual press conference). Russia is in Syria to protect the Assad regime. This prompted the resignation of the Secretary of Defense.
- Under Obama, the official US position on Syria was that Assad should go. Trump changed that to allow Assad to stay for now.
- While Putin was running a disinformation campaign against Montenegro, Trump said he thought Montenegro might start WWIII. (Montenegro? Can Trump even find France on a map? Of all countries, he chose one with a multisyllabic name to use as an example? He's too lazy to finish most sentences when he speaks in public).
- Roger Stone and partner, Jerome Corsi "predicted" the DNC email hacks with astounding accuracy. Before Clinton campaign mgr., John Podesta's email account was hacked, Stone emailed an associate, saying, "It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel".
- 80% of the communication requests on a server in Trump Tower came from a Russian bank. (19% from Sec. of Education, Betsy DeVos, and her brother, former Blackwater chief, Eric Prince. The remaining 1% comprised all others).
- The Special Council's office has charged and jailed a suspected Russian spy, Maria Butina, in connection with money laundering through the NRA.
- The Trump Foundation charity has been dissolved. It is being investigated for what the New York AG says is a "shocking pattern of illegality". Donald Trump wrote a check, from the foundation's account, for $25k to then Florida AG, Pam Bondi, who then declined to move a lawsuit forward against Trump University. A donation from the charity was traced to a portrait of Trump hanging in a country club.
- Russian born gangster, felon, and Trump business partner, Felix Sater, is reputed to have been working to get Trump elected. He worked with Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Trump said he didn't know Sater well, and "probably wouldn't recognize him if I saw him". Sater was at Trump's election victory party.
- In January, 2019 Trump hired 17 new lawyers to work on how to evoke executive privilege. That means his strategy is all about CONCEALING what he has done and said. He obviously doesn't think the facts look good for him.
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We know Trump and his people use every tool they can to dig up dirt on their opponents. And what have they ever found? Obama? We know how the birther thing worked out for them. Wire "tapps"? Nada. Good luck with the embedded spy thing. They found nothing when they tried to get dirt on the people involved in the Iran deal. Trump can't even prove that the Iran deal, DACA, or anything else Obama did turned disastrous. Hillary Clinton? They had the help of the Russian intelligence services - all of the DNC emails - and barely a thing. So, some DNC staffers once talked about going after Bernie Sanders over his religion and didn't even follow through. Created some scheduling conflicts for him? Ooooh, maajor corruption! Hillary's emails? Not one single instance of classified information getting in the wrong hands. Podesta's "spirit cooking" ?? Nonsense like "pizzagate" and the wholly debunked Uranium 1 thing? (Bribed ONE of NINE heads of agencies??). The notion that Clinton controlled the FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA, DHS, the entire mainstream media, the Obama White House, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence is absurd. Rosenstein has been giving Nunes more than he legally deserves, and found nothing but some vague texts about an "insurance policy". Yeah, that proves everything (sarcasm)... Now - What has the Mueller probe turned-up? And the Mueller probe hasn't even leaked!
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We already know Trump's debate talking points and comebacks.
Lie about Biden's tax plan, border policy, spying on his campaign, Ukraine, his son, China, his stance on police, and falsely call him a communist. He'll lie and say he's built 300 miles of NEW border, when really it's 3 miles.
Then, he'll paint a picture of "American carnage," where only liberals protest racism, and act like all protesters are rioting.
He'll tout that he cancelled some flights from China as saving millions of lives, neglecting to mention that he was praising China and calling COVID a Democrat hoax the same week. He'll neglect to mention that he has downplayed the virus the whole time while downplaying it...
He'll repeat everything he has been saying in his speeches.
But in a debate, Biden will be right there with the FACTS to correct him. Biden will eat his lunch.
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So, EVERYONE who disagrees with, or is critical of the Trump Administration is a RINO or a deep state operative, huh? John McCain, Justin Amash, Robert Mueller, Chris Wallace, Shep Smith...Complete blind loyalty to a leader who says, in AMERICA, if you criticize, you should leave. But it's crazy to compare Trump to dictators, right? Unbelievable.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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When it comes to suspicions about Trump and Russia, he sure wants the presumption of innocence. He takes it further. Trump and his associates' many lies about Russian contacts were more than enough probable cause for a probe. Never mind that our security made it the DUTY of the FBI to investigate. He insists the probe was criminal.
Yet, when it comes to the presumption of innocence of suspects in street crimes, Trump says cops should slam their heads on the roofs of cop cars when arresting them. Never mind that even the guilty have civil rights.
When it comes to press coverage, he CONSTANTLY uses the term, "fake news". He takes it further. He uses the Stalin term, "enemy of the people" to describe the American free press.
Yet, he lies CONSTANTLY.
When it comes to foreign governments offering information on his political opponents, he calls it oppo research.
Yet, when an American oppo research firm had information on him, he called it treason.
When someone criticizes him, he calls it an attack on America, and says critics should leave the country.
Yet, when he criticizes someone, no matter how nasty or unprovoked, he calls it a "counter punch".
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steven Kombolis - Sad but true. If you watch a FOX News report, like this one, you notice how they project a lot of tone, but don't really offer any information. It's like they have a list of names they've demonized, and they just throw them out there as they conflate multiple stories.
Here, they call it a "bombshell" that Steele's sub-source wasn't too confident about his information, and wasn't "substantiated". Well, we already knew that. Steele gave the infirmation to the FBI so that THEY could see if it was substantial. That was the point. But FOX News practically implies that there was some crime.
Then, the other "bombshell" is that a NY Times article had nine errors in it, but never named one of them. Even if it did, so what? The NY Times isn't part of the government, but FOX News has its viewers brainwashed into thinking the media are always working for the Democrats, lime it's an arm of the DNC. By the way, the DNC, just like the RNC, is nothing. They are poorly funded groups of mid-level politicians who brainstorm election stuff - usually poorly - and do clerical work. FOX News wants people to believe they have more power than God.
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There are no good, strong arguments to defend Trump. When people have a weak argument, they get defensive. They dig in and double down. People feel they have to have an opinion, they have to form it immediately, and never back down. To Trump followers, it's not about solving problems. It's about winning the argument. They must know on some level that if Trump was a Democrat, they would take the exact opposite position.
Imagine if it was Hillary Clinton's daughter and top people who had met with a foreign government to trade dirt on Trump for sanction relief. Imagine if 16 Clinton associates had lied about it. Imagine if she had lied about pursuing a real estate deal in Moscow in 2016.
Imagine if Obama had lied 19,000 times in 3 years. If he accused Republicans of ridiculous, vast conspiracies every other day. Imagine if Obama had done nothing about reports of Russian bounties on US troops or a world pandemic. Imagine if he had spewed nonsense about COVID testing, hid White House visitor logs, called undocumented Mexicans rapists or the CIA Nazis, insulted war widows, tweeted daily insults, spoken like a rambling coot, asked China and Ukraine to investigate his rival, dangled pardons, fired people investigating him, complained constantly about Bush by name, accused the media of lying daily, surrounded himself with criminals, refused to release his tax returns, had record staff turnover, hired his family, talked like a racist...I could go on.
Obama caught heat for wearing a tan suit. He was branded a traitor for telling a Russian diplomat he would be more flexible after an election - flexible to do what? It could have been anything. But anyone who raises an eyebrow about Trump's shady behavior is branded a traitor.
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Person, man, woman, camera, TV, covfefe, Larry, Curley, Moe, Shemp, Janet, Chrissy, Terry, Cindy, Jack...I got good smarts. Me good brain get extra poynts!
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I'll never get over the fact that Trump has the worst grammar and spelling skills of any POTUS in history, yet he founded a "university". He can't spell "they're", "smoke", or "border", yet he can't stay off of Twitter. But furthermore, if a POTUS is going to text message the world every day, shouldn't he at least have someone on staff PROOFREAD his tweets? Even the Kardashians do that! This is the same guy who, as a candidate, said, "I love the poorly educated!" Cult 45 members, that was an INSULT, you dimwits! And you voted for him? Covfefe.
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A little exercise to test your own bias: Think of every time you've defended Donald Trump and every issue on which you've criticized his opposition - Russia, COVID 19, media coverage, false statements, foreign affairs...If you search Google or Youtube, what do you type into the box?
Now, on those same issues, replace his face with that of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Replace that R with a D. Do you find yourself rationalizing? I am confident that on 99% of those issues, you would take the OPPOSITE position.
If you doubt me, just wait. When a Democrat is in the White House again, you'll find yourself being hyper-critical of that Democrat for issues on which you previously excused Trump, or you'll be saying "what about?" about the "what about?" I guarantee it.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. He gave them polling data. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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When Trump says, "Mueller isn't looking at the other side", he shows how he fundamentally doesn't understand how things work. What "other side"? He is referring to Democrats - the "other side" in POLITICS. The other side in JUSTICE, in a potential case against him, is the Mueller team. Mueller is looking at what happened with Russia and the 2016 election IN GENERAL, whether it leads to the Trump campaign or not. He doesn't see that RUSSIA is on the other side of the US there. The US, you know, the country he is supposed to be defending! And why is he so sure Mueller is against him, anyway? Does it occur to him that Mueller could clear him? He clearly believes the report will be damning, so he is using the only defense he can - "witch hunt", even though he hasn't been charged with anything. At every turn, he does what a guilty person would do. It should bother everyone that he refuses to realize basic fundamentals, even after he has surely been advised of these things. Either he is incapable of understanding, or he doesn't care. Either way, he is incapable of doing his job.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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The media didn't lie to start a probe into Russian collusion. The probe started because Trump lied about collusion with Russia. Imagine if Clinton had won, and during the campaign we knew that:
- Clinton said, "Russia, if you're listening, if you can find Trump's deleted emails..."
- The Russians were meddling in her favor and hacked the RNC.
- Knowing about this meddling, Clinton had the DNC platform changed to favor Russia's war on Ukraine.
Then, after Clinton won - but lost the popular vote, it was revealed that:
- New President Clinton appointed a man to head the State Department who had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. (This goes too deep to summarize in this post. Funny, Tillerson was one of Trump's most qualified cabinet picks - until Trump fired him the day after he publicly criticized Putin).
- During the campaign, Chelsae Clinton, John Podesta, and Uma Abeden had met with Russian government surrogates to discuss trading sanction relief for dirt on Donald Trump.
- Clinton's son-in-law/top advisor was working on lifting sanctions imposed for the very offense of meddling, plus those imposed for illegally invading Ukraine.
- After denying ANY Russian contacts by ANY associates, it turned out that 16 of them had Russian contacts during the campaign.
- One associate, a Watergate figure, and self-described "dirty trickster", bragged about contacts with the VERY HACKERS of the RNC, and the VERY WEAPONIZERS of the hacked information.
- Clinton's White House Security Advisor was caught discussing sanction relief with a Russian Ambassador during the transition.
- Clinton fired the FBI Director and said that she did it "because the Clinton/Rusher thing is a 'hoax'".
- President Hillary Clinton continued to cast doubt on the fact that Russia meddled at all, against the findings of the FBI and CIA, and continued to resist imposing sanctions for that very meddling.
- More was revealed about Clinton's financial ties to shady Russian banks known to be involved in money laundering. (The analogy gets a little crazy here, since Clinton was a New York Senator and resident. You get the point, right? Lots of Russian money is laundered through New York real estate - Trump's home state and lifelong profession).
NOW, WOULDN'T YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION?? If you say no, you are a liar!
But wait, there's more...During the investigation, imagine that we found out that:
- After saying she had no deals pending in Russia, Clinton was revealed to have been working on opening a huge hotel in Moscow during the campaign.
- John Podesta was offering insider polling data and briefings on the campaign to a Russian intelligence officer to whom he owed money.
- Podesta is convicted of multiple felonies, including Conspiracy against the United States.
- Clinton's lawyer pleads guilty to multiple felonies and implicates President Clinton, herself, as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC violation involving bank fraud and tax evasion. The feds cite her as "Individual 1".
- Clinton's disgraced National Security Advisor pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about those sanction discussions with the Russians.
- Clinton's "dirty trickster" is arrested for multiple felonies.
- Yet another Clinton staffer, a campaign National Security Advisor she swears was just a "coffee boy" pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about suggesting a meeting with the Russians for their help with the election.
- I'll just throw out a few more names here: Carter Page, Rick Gates, Hope Hicks, Jeff Sessions...all tied to the Russia thing in varying degrees...
If Mueller declined to recommend indicting Clinton - who was unindictable anyway...If Mueller declined to indict Chelsae and her husband, who President Hillary would surely pardon, WOULD YOU SAY, "NO HARM, NO FOUL. GEE, I GUESS IT REALLY WAS ALL JUST A WITCH HUNT AFTER ALL. WE OWE CLINTON AN APOLOGY"?? I didn't think so.
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Tater Puddin
Donald Trump lied when he said he was unaware of those hush money payments. That has been proven. He became an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving bank fraud that sent his personal lawyer to prison.
Trump lied when he said he had no dealings with Russia during his campaign. He was trying to build a Trump Tower in Moscow that required approval from Putin himself. Trump was SEEKING FAVOR FROM RUSSIA WHILE RUSSIA WAS ATTACKING A US ELECTION IN HIS FAVOR. The Russians knew he was lying to us, and could use that to BLACKMAIL him.
Does anyone really believe Trump was unaware that his son, son-in-law, and campaign chairman were meeting with Russian government surrogates for the purpose of obtaining stolen material on their opponent?
Trump continues to lie by saying the Mueller Report concluded there was no collusion and no obstruction.
These are only 4 of the 11,000 lies Trump has told in the last 2 1/2 years. To give this some perspective, Obama lied 148 times in 8 years. Bill Clinton was IMPEACHED over a lie about his personal life, and if you say, "Clinton lied under oath", I'll point out that Trump refused to go under oath, and has blocked dozens of his staff from testifying, citing statutes that literally do not exist. What should that tell us?
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Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude. with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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Law enforcement 101: If the cops have REASONABLE SUSPICION that a crime has occured, they do an INVESTIGATION. If they find further evidence of a crime, they bring that evidence to a prosecutor, who then decides whether or not to indict. If the prosecutor doesn't indict, it doesn't mean there was no wrongdoing. It means there was not enough evidence to prosecute. If a crime is prosecuted, and the defendent is not found guilty, the defendent is found NOT GUILTY of a CRIME. They are not found INNOCENT. It doesn't mean there was no reason for an investigation. It doesn't mean the cops and/or prosecutor, themselves, committed a crime.
There was plenty of reason to suspect that the Russians committed a crime, hence reason to investigate. Common sense said that the Trump campaign may have been involved, since they were the BENEFICIARIES of that crime. The beneficiaries LIED to the cops. 16 Trump associates lied, and denied ANY involvement with the Russians. Trump, himself, lied about dealings with the Russians. Trump's people WERE SECRETLY CONTACTING THE MAIN SUSPECTS - THE RUSSIANS. That is REASONABLE SUSPICION.
Any questions?
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I'm no psychologist or psychiatrist, but I think Trump has ODD, Oppositional Defiance Disorder, a condition where someone refuses to take advice or suggestions simply because they can't stand to be told what to do. It's why he repeats behavior that reflects poorly on him, even though he is obsessed with his image.
A family member I know well has this condition. I always said, "If he was standing in the road, and I said, 'Car's coming. Move,'" he would stand there and get hit rather than move. When Trump got elected, I started noticing LOTS of similarities between them. I used to also think that if my family member had money or power, he'd be dangerous.
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The media didn't lie to start a probe into Russian collusion. The probe started because Trump lied about collusion with Russia. Imagine if Clinton had won, and during the campaign we knew that:
- Clinton said, "Russia, if you're listening, if you can find Trump's deleted emails..."
- The Russians were meddling in her favor and hacked the RNC.
- Knowing about this meddling, Clinton had the DNC platform changed to favor Russia's war on Ukraine.
Then, after Clinton won - but lost the popular vote, it was revealed that:
- New President Clinton appointed a man to head the State Department who had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. (This goes too deep to summarize in this post. Funny, Tillerson was one of Trump's most qualified cabinet picks - until Trump fired him the day after he publicly criticized Putin).
- During the campaign, Chelsae Clinton, John Podesta, and Uma Abeden had met with Russian government surrogates to discuss trading sanction relief for dirt on Donald Trump.
- Clinton's son-in-law/top advisor was working on lifting sanctions imposed for the very offense of meddling, plus those imposed for illegally invading Ukraine.
- After denying ANY Russian contacts by ANY associates, it turned out that 16 of them had Russian contacts during the campaign.
- One associate, a Watergate figure, and self-described "dirty trickster", bragged about contacts with the VERY HACKERS of the RNC, and the VERY WEAPONIZERS of the hacked information.
- Clinton's White House Security Advisor was caught discussing sanction relief with a Russian Ambassador during the transition.
- Clinton fired the FBI Director and said that she did it "because the Clinton/Rusher thing is a 'hoax'".
- President Hillary Clinton continued to cast doubt on the fact that Russia meddled at all, against the findings of the FBI and CIA, and continued to resist imposing sanctions for that very meddling.
- More was revealed about Clinton's financial ties to shady Russian banks known to be involved in money laundering. (The analogy gets a little crazy here, since Clinton was a New York Senator and resident. You get the point, right? Lots of Russian money is laundered through New York real estate - Trump's home state and lifelong profession).
NOW, WOULDN'T YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION?? If you say no, you are a liar!
But wait, there's more...During the investigation, imagine that we found out that:
- After saying she had no deals pending in Russia, Clinton was revealed to have been working on opening a huge hotel in Moscow during the campaign.
- John Podesta was offering insider polling data and briefings on the campaign to a Russian intelligence officer to whom he owed money.
- Podesta is convicted of multiple felonies, including Conspiracy against the United States.
- Clinton's lawyer pleads guilty to multiple felonies and implicates President Clinton, herself, as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC violation involving bank fraud and tax evasion. The feds cite her as "Individual 1".
- Clinton's disgraced National Security Advisor pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about those sanction discussions with the Russians.
- Clinton's "dirty trickster" is arrested for multiple felonies.
- Yet another Clinton staffer, a campaign National Security Advisor she swears was just a "coffee boy" pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about suggesting a meeting with the Russians for their help with the election.
- I'll just throw out a few more names here: Carter Page, Rick Gates, Hope Hicks, Jeff Sessions...all tied to the Russia thing in varying degrees...
If Mueller declined to recommend indicting Clinton - who was unindictable anyway...If Mueller declined to indict Chelsae and her husband, who President Hillary would surely pardon, WOULD YOU SAY, "NO HARM, NO FOUL. GEE, I GUESS IT REALLY WAS ALL JUST A WITCH HUNT AFTER ALL. WE OWE CLINTON AN APOLOGY"?? I didn't think so.
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@ianbuchanan4243 Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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John Ward - There are absolutely assertions that Kushner met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to set up a back channel to the Kremlin to trade help with his money pit at 666 5th Ave. for sanction relief. Kushner does not deny it. He was ambiguous about whether he did it as a rep for the incoming administration or in his capacity as a real estate broker.
It is not denied, and Jeff Sessions confirmed, that Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians. Their defense was that he was a "coffee boy", not that it didn't happen. It's what started the FBI probe. It was NOT the dossier.
You can say all you want that the DNC emails were leaked and not hacked. So, it was just coincidence that 16 Trump campaign staff were reaching out to Russia and lied about it? Did the DNC make Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort attend the Trump Tower meeting? It wasn't just the DNC hacks, you know. The Russians ran a code-named operation that involved hacking 21 states' voter rolls, buying ads on Facebook, trolling all major social media outlets, targeting Trump associates, and too much more to name here.
It defies common sense that both sides were reaching out to each other, but just couldn't achieve any "synergy". But I see you're one of those irrational conspiracy theorists since you've gone full MAGA and think Soros funds everything and the DNC emails were leaked, so you'll probably never be open to the truth.
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On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." It's noteworthy to add that both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew. Is that cause for suspicion? ----- Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi "predicted", with astounding accuracy, that Wikileaks was to release hacked DNC emails "later in the summer". (Don Jr. had told the Russians that if it was what he thought it was, he'd "love it", especially later in the summer). Stone said he had communicated with both Assange and Guccifer 2.0. Now, Stone and Corsi are contradicting each other. Suspicious? ----- At the RNC convention, attended by Russian Ambassador/spy, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer requested one change in the RNC platform - to end material support for the Ukrainian resistance against Russia. He says he was told to request this by senior campaign members. Both candidate Trump and chairman, Paul Manafort, deny having anything to do with it. Really? Some other "senior" member did that without the approval of the candidate or the chairman? Is there reason to be suspicious yet? These are only a few of MANY things that raise eyebrows about what these people knew and when they knew it.
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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When media bashers say "The media lie," they can almost never name a specific lie. When outlets report a fact, 99% of the time, it is accurate. It would be a little closer to the truth to say the media DECEIVE. That's far from deliberately mis-stating facts.
Usually when I ask a media basher to name some lies the media have told, I get, "Trump colluded with Russia, Nick Sandmann, and Jussie Smollett." Those replies are nonsense. First, Trump DID collude with Russia. Collusion means COOPERATION, which he clearly did. It's not a legal term. Collusion does not mean "found guilty of criminal conspiracy." But set that point aside.
The facts made Trump look guilty. When it was reported that three of Trump's top people met with surrogates of the Russian government to trade dirt for favors, that was a FACT. No reporter said, "Don Jr took a flash drive from a Russian agent." That would be a lie. The facts looked bad, so naturally the opinions in editorials were negative.
Let's say media report that a man's wife is missing and her husband had blood in his car, gunshot residue on his hands, and lied to police. Editorials about domestic violence would cast the husband in a negative light, and nobody would say the media were lying.
Jussie Smollett lied to police, and media simply reported the facts. The suggestion that somehow the media know the truth about things nobody else knows is absurd. Believing that they deceive us every time a story makes a liberal look bad is ridiculous, especially when the liberal isn't even a politician, and the story has nothing to do with politics.
Nick Sandmann is the exception that proves the rule. The media didn't lie. They mis-characterized. It was a mistake, and they paid for it. If deception was standard practice, news outlets would have been sued out of existence long ago. Also, there is no objective truth in that story. It's based on what was going on in Sandmann's head, and what his intentions were.
There are many news outlets, many stories, and many reports every day. Media bashers love to say "the media" as if it's one homogeneous, connected group. So, even when a reporter makes a mistake or even lies, to paint the entire industry as liars is as absurd as saying "Starbucks cheats you" because a barista once over-charged you for a scone. The same type of conservative who says, "It's just a bad apple" when a trigger-happy cop shoots an unarmed person will call the entire media a group of serial liars when a single reporter makes a mistake.
There is a LOT I don't like about news media, and I don't believe everything I hear. But I assume simple facts are accurate unless there's real reason to believe otherwise. On rare occasions when the facts they report are inaccurate, I first assume they made a mistake before I start conjuring up wild conspiracy theories.
People should simply recognize the difference between FACT and OPINION. "16 Trump associates lied about their contacts with Russia" is a FACT. "All of their lying makes them look like they're hiding something" is an OPINION, but it's also a reasonable opinion to have.
News outlets compete with each other, often by way of sensationalism. They aim to get the facts right because if ABC gets it wrong, CBS will get it right. Sponsors are their masters, not the DNC. (That idea is laughable. Media have WAY more money and power than the DNC, which is made up of mid-level politicians who can't get elected to office). For the same reason, media don't block stories about dirty politicians just because they're Democrats. They're not the sole gatekeepers of information. Notice that the "liberal" media promptly reported on the Hunter Biden investigation. It's a sensational story. They work for sponsors. It makes no sense to limit themselves to half of the market.
It's ironic that the biggest media bashers nowadays are fervent Trump supporters who complain about bias. Trump coordinates with FOX News, and he habitually lies. Those people are hypocrites at best, but usually it's flat-out projection. Hypocrisy is accusing others of what you also do. Projection is accusing the innocent of what you do. It's notable that during Trump's first month in office, he actually told the press corp, "If you're going to hold us to getting every little thing right, I'm just going to stop having these press briefings." Yes, he actually said that.
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Facts:
This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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You people are really reaching. WAKE UP!! This is totally consistent with Trump's attitude and prior statements. The more you stay in denial, the harder it will be to leave the MAGA cult. Have you noticed that Trump followers won't criticize ANYTHING he does or says? He's perfect?
No. The weaker your case, the more you get defensive. But sure, EVERYTHING this obviously flawed, inexperienced man does is either the smartest thing in the world or a lie concocted by the Dems and the mecia, right? Everyone is lying but him, all the time? My God, then you take it further and play "gotcha" with every little thing you can spin up on a Democrat - usually false, but when true, almost ALWAYS something Trump, himself, has done WAY worse! Pure projection.
FACE FACTS. Trump is an unempathetic, inexperienced, elitist, cheating, habitually lying, narcissistic MORON with a major personality disorder.
ACCEPT IT AND LET HIM GO ALREADY!
Jeez, all you need to do is ask yourself, "If Obama or Hillary had done or said this, what would I think?"
Do I need to repeat that? If it was Clinton or Obama, what would you believe? Would you believe the media? Would you defend them?
Just ask YOURSELF, so you don't get all pissy and defensive from waging a losing argument with someone. Then wake up and grow up!!
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For Trump fans saying, "What does it have to do with collusion?": With Papadopoulos, everything. With Cohen, Manafort, and Gates, it's very possible, and they're all cooperating. What Don Jr, Manafort and Kushner did in Trump Tower goes right to collusion. Best case, Don Jr ADMITTED to attempting it, and definitely lied about it. Worst case, the law will find it was, indeed, collusion, (Conspiracy), and that means also Obstruction of Justice, for him and Trump Sr, because they hatched a cover story together. (BTW, a Trump associate quit over that cover story, saying he didn't want to be part of an Obstruction case). What's more, there are other avenues - Flynn is also cooperating. What he did has everything to do with collusion. Kushner tried to trade Russian sanction relief for special financing for his associates with a sanctioned Russian bank. Then, there's Carter Page, Jeff Sessions, and Roger Stone. Questions surround the hiring and firing of Rex Tillerson that point to Russia. A Russian spy was arrested in connection to funnelling money to the Trump camp through the NRA. Reputed Russian gangster, Felix Sater, has made statements implicating Trump. There have been 78 falsely denied Russian contacts among the bunch.
But forget collusion for a minute. If Trump is found to have evaded taxes, laundered money, obstructed justice, abused power, broke campaign finance laws by hiding hush money, and/or perjured himself, would that be acceptable? If you're okay with it, then you must be okay with Bill Clinton's perjury and all of the things you accuse Hillary of. If not, you are a biased hypocrite. For those who absurdly say, "Hillary colluded with the Russians", I'll point out that, if what you say she did was "collusion", then you are also saying what the Trump campaign did was collusion. The "whataboutism" makes no sense.
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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When Mike Pence was asked if anyone in the campaign had any contacts with Russians, he said, "Of course not. Why would they?" Yeah, why would they? Are high level meetings with surrogates of powerful, adversarial, foreign governments a normal part of a Presidential campaign? No. It's unheard of. Trump, like all candidates, was warned about foreign meddlers and asked to call the FBI if they saw anything suspicious. Instead, Don Jr said, "If it's what you say, I love it".
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@raymondloya175 Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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"If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed". That's not true. If you watch, you are under-informed. If you confuse the NARRATIVE and EDITORIAL with the FACTS, you are misinformed. Sure, the media make mistakes, but mistakes aren't lies. I'd rather know half a story that's spun the wrong way than to know nothing. Yes, MSM is sensationalized. Yes, they use narratives to sell the story. They have to. I cringe whenever I hear "BREAKING NEWS!" about every little thing. Take it with a grain of salt. Extract the facts. Wikileaks is not news. Youtube hack videos are not news. They just talk about what MSM reports. Trump's Tweets are not news. Saying it gets him around the "fake" media is absurd. It gets him around due scrutiny. (with grammar errors no college educated man should ever make - "their" is not "they are"). FOX News isn't even news. Sean Hannity coordinates stories with Trump. And his followers say the "liberal" media is biased? FOX has no competition on TV. Competition is what keeps them honest. If CNN gets it wrong, ABC, NBC and PBS will get it right and get higher ratings. Free market Capitalists should know that. You MSM bashers are so much more biased than they are, and it's obvious.
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We know Trump and his people use every tool they can to dig up dirt on their opponents. And what have they ever found? Obama? We know how the birther thing worked out for them. Wire "tapps"? Nada. Good luck with the embedded spy thing. They found nothing when they tried to get dirt on the people involved in the Iran deal. Trump can't even prove that the Iran deal, DACA, or anything else Obama did turned disastrous. Hillary Clinton? They had the help of the Russian intelligence services - all of the DNC emails - and barely a thing. So, some DNC staffers once talked about going after Bernie Sanders over his religion and didn't even follow through. Created some scheduling conflicts for him? Ooooh, maajor corruption! Hillary's emails? Not one single instance of classified information getting in the wrong hands. Podesta's "spirit cooking" ?? Nonsense like "pizzagate" and the wholly debunked Uranium 1 thing? (Bribed ONE of NINE heads of agencies??). The notion that Clinton controlled the FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA, DHS, the entire mainstream media, the Obama White House, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence is absurd. Rosenstein has been giving Nunes more than he legally deserves, and found nothing but some vague texts about an "insurance policy". Yeah, that proves everything (sarcasm)... Now - What has the Mueller probe turned-up? And the Mueller probe hasn't even leaked!
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Assad and Saddam gassed their own people. People ask, "How can they gas their own people?" It's because they don't consider them their own, or even people at all. Trump says the Chinese are more honorable than Chuck and Nancy. He said Putin was a better leader than Obama, a former US PRESIDENT, whose coat-tails Trump rode in on. (Did he say, "Thanks for the good economy and for cutting unemployment in half, Obama. I'll keep up the good work"? No. Devoid of any class or respect, he bashes Obama constantly. It used to be a no-no to even mention your predecessor!) I guess, to Trump, it's no big deal that Jamal Kashoggi was lured-out of his home and butchered by a tyrannical monarch. Maybe because Kashoggi was an Arab who worked for the "fake news" Washington Post? Trump said, "The Saudis buy real estate from me. I'm supposed to hate them?" Trump actually considered sending a former US Ambassador to Russia TO Russia to fulfill Putin's vendetta. Michael Flynn tried to have a Turk, a US resident, kidnapped and delivered to Erdogan to take the fall for a failed coup attempt. Roger Stone said that the Democrats were worse than the Russians, AFTER it was well-known that Putin meddled in our election to install Trump as President. It's well-known that Trump is, and has always been working hard to lift sanctions on Russian oligarchs DIRECTLY IMPLICATED IN THE MEDDLING.
But the national security emergency is on the border with Mexico?
Trump is a traitor, loyal only to money, and he owes Russian banks. They're the only ones who would finance him after he failed miserably with daddy's money in New York. (No? Then, let's see those tax returns).
Before you FOX News junkies and Trump cultists say I'm lying or brainwashed by CNN, Google it. You Russian trolls already know. Check multiple sources. If you think the entire MSM are deep state operatives working for the DNC, you're hopelessly ignorant. You'll see. The Mueller report is coming soon.
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In 2000, when the Court gave the Presidency to George Bush when it came down to a state where Bush's brother was governor, did Dems go nuts? Did they refuse to accept the results and start a smear campaign against Bush as "an excuse for a lost election"? When the Republicans obstructed Obama's SCOTUS pick with a bullshit excuse about a year away being too close to an election? When Trump let a far-right group, the pick Neil Gorsuch for what should have been Garland's seat, and refused to consult with Dems beforehand, as is traditional, did Dems go nuts? No. Now, another far-right group has made a list, from which Trump picked the guy most likely to protect him from the Russia probe, and a guy who could very well help overturn Roe V. Wade, (which only 29% of the public supports). They withheld 100,000 documents needed to properly vet this man, finally releasing 42,000 of them 15 hours before the confirmation hearing. Now, Dems are showing their anger. Dems don't do that until they are pushed and pushed. It's about time.
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Donald Trump lied when he said he was unaware of those hush money payments. That has been proven. He became an unindicted co-conspirator in a case involving bank fraud that sent his personal lawyer to prison.
Trump lied when he said he had no dealings with Russia during his campaign. He was trying to build a Trump Tower in Moscow that required approval from Putin himself. Trump was SEEKING FAVOR FROM RUSSIA WHILE RUSSIA WAS ATTACKING A US ELECTION IN HIS FAVOR. The Russians knew he was lying to us, and could use that to BLACKMAIL him.
Does anyone really believe Trump was unaware that his son, son-in-law, and campaign chairman were meeting with Russian government surrogates for the purpose of obtaining stolen material on their opponent?
Trump continues to lie by saying the Mueller Report concluded there was no collusion and no obstruction.
These are only 4 of the 11,000 lies Trump has told in the last 2 1/2 years. To give this some perspective, Obama lied 148 times in 8 years. Bill Clinton was IMPEACHED over a lie about his personal life, and if you say, "Clinton lied under oath", I'll point out that Trump refused to go under oath, and has blocked dozens of his staff from testifying, citing statutes that literally do not exist. What should that tell us?
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Average Joe - Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. NEITHER THE DOSSIER, NOR THE FISA WARRANT on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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In 2000, when the Court gave the Presidency to George Bush when it came down to a state where Bush's brother was governor, did Dems go nuts? Did they refuse to accept the results and start a smear campaign against Bush as "an excuse for a lost election"? When the Republicans obstructed Obama's SCOTUS pick with a bullshit excuse about a year away being too close to an election, did Dems go nuts? When Trump let a far-right group, the pick Neil Gorsuch for what should have been Garland's seat, and refused to consult with Dems beforehand, as is traditional, did Dems go nuts? No. Now, another far-right group has made a list, from which Trump picked the guy most likely to protect him from the Russia probe, and a guy who could very well help overturn Roe V. Wade, (which only 29% of the public supports). They withheld 100,000 documents needed to properly vet this man, finally releasing 42,000 of them 15 hours before the confirmation hearing. Now, Dems are showing their anger. Dems don't do that until they are pushed and pushed. It's about time.
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In 2000, when the Court gave the Presidency to George Bush when it came down to a state where Bush's brother was governor, did Dems go nuts? Did they refuse to accept the results and start a smear campaign against Bush as "an excuse for a lost election"? When the Republicans obstructed Obama's SCOTUS pick with a bullshit excuse about a year away being too close to an election, did Dems go nuts? When Trump let a far-right group, the pick Neil Gorsuch for what should have been Garland's seat, and refused to consult with Dems beforehand, as is traditional, did Dems go nuts? No. Now, another far-right group has made a list, from which Trump picked the guy most likely to protect him from the Russia probe, and a guy who could very well help overturn Roe V. Wade, (which only 29% of the public supports). They withheld 100,000 documents needed to properly vet this man, finally releasing 42,000 of them 15 hours before the confirmation hearing. Now, Dems are showing their anger. Dems don't do that until they are pushed and pushed. It's about time.
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Hey, MAGA World, pretend it was Biden who, while leaving office, took 15 boxes of documents from the National Archives while insisting the election was stolen, refusing to ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF 61 JUDGES, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, and inviting an armed mob to STORM THE US CAPITOL. "Let's have trial by combat!" said Trump's lawyer, to the mob on 1/6.
Pretend Biden also took those documents while under multiple investigations.
Would you be okay with that? If Barack Obama did that? Bill Clinton? Would you DEFEND that?
And speaking of your devil, what about Hillary's emails?? Trumpers have this blind eye for the massive, intentional mishandling of classified information by the Trump Administration.
You can't have it both ways. If you think she should be locked up, so should he and for longer.
You thought Hillary was reckless with information ten years ago. SHE WAS INVESTIGATED. She admitted doing it. It's over.
And Hunter Biden is also being investigated, so what more do you want? It seems you people never try to understand the process of things.
This is about Donald Trump. If ANY other actual US President did what he did, do you seriously think there wouldn't be an investigation? That one wouldn't be absolutely called for? What If it were Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan?
All of those things Trump did and said as President that "we just hate him" for - If Biden did or said them..?
What about Obama?
If Hillary had become President?
All you have are whataboutisms and accusations about the "deep state".
WHO are you talking about? You're saying the only way to explain it is this shadowy, evil left-wing network of political crooks who have invaded every agency including the military, the CIA, the FBI, and the National Archives.
All this "election stealing" on every level from Biden to the Chinese to regular Dem voters...any ACTUAL SUSPECTS? Other than your President harassing and defaming three female generations of volunteer poll workers in Georgia. I hope they sue Trump for every dime.
Anyone who cries about the "deep state" doesn't understand the basics of separation of powers or even the fundamentals of how the US government works.
How many more REPUBLICAN TRUMP WORLD INSIDERS have to all paint the same picture of him before you get it? They're ALL lying? They're all "out to get him" and "just don't like him"? They all wanted to put themselves through hell? Think.
Until you can say you would defend any other President acting this way, any arguments you make to defend Trump are simply tribal, mindlessly biased, in bad faith, and therefore moot.
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There are only two possible reasons the Obama Administration would have spied on the Trump campaign. 1)- To prevent his election, or 2)- To smear him in case he got elected.
You can eliminate the first one. No information gathered by US intelligence was used during the campaign.
The ONLY possibility would have been to smear Trump in case he won. That WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. Why would Clinton, with a 94% chance of winning, bother to prepare for that 6% chance?
For a 6% chance, would Obama, FBI, and CIA officials in non-political agencies - most of whom were Republicans - risk their careers and their freedom? Would they engage in a MASSIVE conspiracy involving dozens of people across multiple agencies, right under the noses of Republicans among them, just to make Trump look bad?
If the FBI was so desperate to ensure a Clinton victory, why did Comey re-open her email case and HURT her chances? Why DIDN'T he announce that there was a probe into Trump's possible ties to Russia? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The FBI was trying to safeguard the election from Russian attack. In the process, they uncovered many Trump campaign ties to the Russian government, WHICH THEY LIED ABOUT.
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A Russian who helped Don Jr set up the Trump Tower meeting wrote in an email that it was about Russian "GOVERNMENT support for your father". Why would he write that, knowing US intel might see it? Blackmail. When Don Jr went along with it, the Russians then knew what we didn't.
When Trump lied about having deals with Russia during the campaign, the Russians knew he was lying about the Trump Tower Moscow project. That could be used as blackmail.
Acting AG, Sally Yates, tried to explain to Trump that Michael Flynn's intercepted conversations with the Russian ambassador about sanctions could be used as blackmail. Trump did not understand that. He didn't fire Flynn immediately. He resisted. He later fired Yates.
James Comey tried to explain to Trump that a rumored "pee tape", IF it existed, could be used as blackmail. Trump did not understand that. He took offense to it. Then, he fired Comey.
Now, we find out Trump has been hiding transcripts of his meetings with Putin - even from his own administration. No, he doesn't have to release those transcripts to the public. Yes, he has to KEEP A RECORD.
There are good reasons why new Presidents release their tax returns and divest their businesses. Now, we have a President we know has had dealings with Russia, but we don't know much more than that. But the Russias know. You Trump followers need to wise up.
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It comes down to PROBABLE CAUSE and REASONABLE SUSPICION. The FBI had reasons to investigate Russian meddling, whether or not Trump was involved. Mueller had good reasons to investigate Trump. It made sense that the Trump campaign might have been colluding with Russia. It made NO sense that the DNC would have been colluding with Russia. There's no probable cause to look into the Bidens, much less to ask foreign countries to do so, ESPECIALLY when the subject is an American elder statesman, AND Trump's chief political rival.
The Clinton email thing has been adjudicated. The 2016 election is over, and it is a FACT that the Russians interfered in Trump's favor. The Biden non-issue has been looked into by TWO prosecutors in Ukraine, not to mention it was the COMPANY Hunter Biden worked for that was under suspicion, not Hunter Biden, and not his father.
On the other hand, 16 Trump associates lied about 140 Russian contacts during the election. Trump lied about pending deals in Moscow, in a country that was actively trying to get him elected. Trump's top people met with Russian government surrogates to trade illegally obtained information for sanction relief. Trump still refuses to admit Russia even interfered, and he's still doing all he can to lift sanctions imposed on them for that very interference. In 2016, Trump publicly asked Russia to interfere, and after all of the problems that caused, he is doing it AGAIN. This isn't a "deep state" conspiracy. Trump's wounds are self-inflicted, and he is BEGGING to be probed and impeached.
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@beaulin5628 It was Peter Strzok, not McCabe, who texted about stopping Trump. There was ZERO evidence that was part of some conspiracy. They had a right to their personal opinions about politics. They just shouldn't have used work email to talk about them. Hillary did NOT expose the highest level of communications. Trump's own daughter and son in law have been caught doing the same thing. YOU are in a bubble if you ignore all of the PROBABLE CAUSE for the Russias probes. Trump and 16 of his associates lied about 140 Russian contacts. Trump lied about Trump Tower Moscow. You don't see the danger in that?? His people met with Russian government surrogates to trade illegal dirt for sanction relief. Are you just going to ignore that? Oh, THAT shouldn't be looked into, but a few text messages that lead nowhere are proof of a deep state conspiracy involving the FBI, CIA, White House, and the Clinton campaign? A grand jury will "indict a ham sandwich", but won't indict McCabe. Why not? Because he did nothing illegal. The "witch hunt" is being perpetrated by Trump and the Republicans. Nothing came out of those House hearings against any of them, and you people can't let it go. Notice, in this video, how Hannity is conflating about four unrelated things - the dossier, FISA warrants, Comey, McCabe - and speaks in vagaries. FOX News is trash. Wake up.
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Beaulin
Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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Neither the FBI counterintelligence probe, nor the Mueller probe was illegal or political. There was plenty of probable cause for both. It's so hypocritical for Trump loyalists to say, with NO probable cause or proof, that "Clinton sold uranium to Russia...Clinton colluded with Russia...The Clintons ran a hit squad...Strzok and Page were part of a deep state conspiracy..," yet when there is real suspicion surrounding Trump, and when he and 16 of his people were caught LYING about 140 Russian contacts, it's not only NOT cause for suspicion, but it's TREASON to investigate it! WHAT?!? There is no deep state conspiracy. If you think the DNC, the media, the FBI and the CIA are somehow in cahoots to take down Trump, you are hopelessly ignorant.
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Hey, MAGA World, pretend it was Biden who, while leaving office, took 15 boxes of documents from the National Archives while insisting the election was stolen, refusing to ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF 61 JUDGES, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, and inviting an armed mob to STORM THE US CAPITOL. "Let's have trial by combat!" said Trump's lawyer, to the mob on 1/6.
Pretend Biden also took those documents while under multiple investigations.
Would you be okay with that? If Barack Obama did that? Bill Clinton? Would you DEFEND that?
And speaking of your devil, what about Hillary's emails?? Trumpers have this blind eye for the massive, intentional mishandling of classified information by the Trump Administration.
You can't have it both ways. If you think she should be locked up, so should he and for longer.
You thought Hillary was reckless with information ten years ago. SHE WAS INVESTIGATED. She admitted doing it. It's over.
And Hunter Biden is also being investigated, so what more do you want? It seems you people never try to understand the process of things.
This is about Donald Trump. If ANY other actual US President did what he did, do you seriously think there wouldn't be an investigation? That one wouldn't be absolutely called for? What If it were Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan?
All of those things Trump did and said as President that "we just hate him" for - If Biden did or said them..?
What about Obama?
If Hillary had become President?
All you have are whataboutisms and accusations about the "deep state".
WHO are you talking about? You're saying the only way to explain it is this shadowy, evil left-wing network of political crooks who have invaded every agency including the military, the CIA, the FBI, and the National Archives.
All this "election stealing" on every level from Biden to the Chinese to regular Dem voters...any ACTUAL SUSPECTS? Other than your President harassing and defaming three female generations of volunteer poll workers in Georgia. I hope they sue Trump for every dime.
Anyone who cries about the "deep state" doesn't understand the basics of separation of powers or even the fundamentals of how the US government works.
How many more REPUBLICAN TRUMP WORLD INSIDERS have to all paint the same picture of him before you get it? They're ALL lying? They're all "out to get him" and "just don't like him"? They all wanted to put themselves through hell? Think.
Until you can say you would defend any other President acting this way, any arguments you make to defend Trump are simply tribal, mindlessly biased, in bad faith, and therefore moot.
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MSM critics, stop attacking the messenger. Yes, they use narratives. They do it to make sense of the raw facts for you. Everything isn't politics. They don't work for the DNC or the "deep state". They work for ratings to get sponsors, so they sensationalize to get your attention. That doesn't mean they're lying. If they were, their competitors would call THEM out to take their ratings and sponsors. Competition is a cornerstone of capitalism. MSM want big, corporate sponsorship, so why would they be pushing far-left socialism? You "fake news" parrots haven't thought this through.
Think of it as fast food, but instead of burgers, they sell information. They have to offer a quality product faster than the other guys. CNN is the McDonalds of news. There's some pink slime, but it's mostly beef. It's not gourmet, but it does the job. If you don't want a lot of garnish, watch PBS, but you'll get the same FACTS that CNN reports.
FOX News can't pass the health inspection. It has no competitors. It labeled MSM "liberal" simply by standing to the right of the them, and pretending it isn't also mainstream media. FOX News isn't conservative. It's ALTERNATIVE media.
It's up to YOU to know the difference between FACT, OPINION, and ANALYSIS. The term, "fake news" is designed to blur those differences, and to make you think opinions are outright lies. Do you MSM critics who cry "BIAS!" even realize how biased YOU are?
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No, it's Trump who accuses others of doing what he does, and it's A LOT of things. Colluding with foreign governments, lack of transparency, lying, lacking plans, betraying his country, incompetence, racism, senility, playing too much golf, being radical...I could go on for an hour.
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Should these things not arouse suspicion?
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates made 140 contacts with Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Stone bragged about being in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- Trump's top people met with surrogates of the Russian government to trade stolen information on their opponent for sanction relief.
-- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon had lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after he publicly criticized Putin.
-- Trump's campaign requested a change in the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump pursued a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. It was a deal that required approval from Putin, who was attacking our election to help Trump. Conflict of interest and blackmail potential at the highest levels.
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA and FBI.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin - to get around US intelligence.
-- Michael Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions imposed on them for the very election interference meant to help elect Trump.
-- Both Michael Flynn and Carter Page traveled to Moscow to make speeches disparaging US policy. Flynn lied about his compensation and failed to register as a foreign agent.
-- At Putin's request, Trump invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- In a private meeting with Putin, Trump took possession of the notes of his own interpreter, and instructed the linguist not to discuss what transpired in the meeting with administration officials.
-- Nobody in Trump's campaign ever called the FBI.
Did Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. They KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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Wow, that's one hell of a conspiracy. It involves Gowdy, Rosenstein, McCabe, Comey, Mueller.., those guys are Republicans! Also Clinton, Obama, the CIA, FBI, NSA, DNI, DHS, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence, Facebook, Twitter... DO YOU IDIOTS DRINK WHISKEY FOR BREAKFAST?
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@MuggsyTM Trump is trying to conflate several issues. VANDALISM AT PROTESTS IS SEPARATE FROM OTHER CRIMES!
It's obvious he wants to lump them into the same category and blame all crime on Dems. He wants us to think they ALL support every BLM demand, rioting, anarchy, and communism. The most bizarre suggestion is that those who oppose police brutality and racism are racists themselves. Really? Anyone who opposes racism must be a Democrat?
It's absurd to say all vandals are Dems. Most don't care at all about government or politics.
Has Trump tried to find out WHY crime is spiking? What are they supposedly doing wrong in Dem cities as opposed to Republican cities?
Crime always spikes in the summer. COVID is causing economic distress, and crime spikes. Authorities are trying not to fill the jails and spread the virus. That's EVERYWHERE, not just in "Dem cities." That's a ridiculous term in the first place. "Dem cities"? Where the Mayor is a Dem? What about the Governor? The state AG? Congressmen? Senators? The PRESIDENT? Republicans cry, "You can't keep your [city, district, state, county] clean and safe!" to attack any Dem lawmaker. There are MANY factors.
Murders require detectives. Gang crimes, gang units. Riots, riot police. There are criteria for charging state and federal crimes. Has Trump addressed ANY of this?? He's not even asking what these mayors and local cops need. THIS IS A LOW-DOWN POLITICAL PLOY. It smacks of fascism and it's reminiscent of the civil unrest of the 1960s.
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FactCheck.org®
FACTCHECK POSTS
Trump Tweets Conspiracy Theory About Deleted Votes
By Rem Rieder
Posted on November 13, 2020
In a tweet, President Donald Trump on Nov. 12 pushed the baseless theory that voting systems deleted millions of votes for him and switched thousands of votes cast for him to his Democratic rival, President-elect Joe Biden.
No evidence has been produced to support that assertion.
Hours after Trump’s tweet, a group of federal, state and local officials overseeing the nation’s voting system said that in the recent election, “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.” The joint statement, by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees, described the recent voting as “the most secure in American history.” The statement was distributed by the federal government’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security.
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For Trump fans saying, "What does it have to do with collusion?": With Papadopoulos, everything. With Cohen, Manafort, and Gates, it's very possible, and they're all cooperating. What Don Jr, Manafort and Kushner did in Trump Tower goes right to collusion. Best case, Don Jr ADMITTED to attempting it, and definitely lied about it. Worst case, the law will find it was, indeed, collusion, (Conspiracy), and that means also Obstruction of Justice, for him and Trump Sr, because they hatched a cover story together. (BTW, a Trump associate quit over that cover story, saying he didn't want to be part of an Obstruction case). What's more, there are other avenues - Flynn is also cooperating. What he did has everything to do with collusion. Kushner tried to trade Russian sanction relief for special financing for his associates with a sanctioned Russian bank. Then, there's Carter Page, Jeff Sessions, and Roger Stone. Questions surround the hiring and firing of Rex Tillerson that point to Russia. A Russian spy was arrested in connection to funnelling money to the Trump camp through the NRA. Reputed Russian gangster, Felix Sater, has made statements implicating Trump. There have been 78 falsely denied Russian contacts among the bunch.
But forget collusion for a minute. If Trump is found to have evaded taxes, laundered money, obstructed justice, abused power, broke campaign finance laws by hiding hush money, and/or perjured himself, would that be acceptable? If you're okay with it, then you must be okay with Bill Clinton's perjury and all of the things you accuse Hillary of. If not, you are a biased hypocrite. For those who absurdly say, "Hillary colluded with the Russians", I'll point out that, if what you say she did was "collusion", then you are also saying what the Trump campaign did was collusion. The "whataboutism" makes no sense.
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There are only two possible reasons the Obama Administration would have spied on the Trump campaign. 1)- To prevent his election, or 2)- To smear him in case he got elected.
You can eliminate the first one. No information gathered by US intelligence was used during the campaign.
The ONLY possibility would have been to smear Trump in case he won. That WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. Why would Clinton, with a 94% chance of winning, bother to prepare for that 6% chance?
For a 6% chance, would Obama, FBI, and CIA officials in non-political agencies - most of whom were Republicans - risk their careers and their freedom? Would they engage in a MASSIVE conspiracy involving dozens of people across multiple agencies, right under the noses of Republicans among them, just to make Trump look bad?
If the FBI was so desperate to ensure a Clinton victory, why did Comey re-open her email case and HURT her chances? Why DIDN'T he announce that there was a probe into Trump's possible ties to Russia? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The FBI was trying to safeguard the election from Russian attack. In the process, they uncovered many Trump campaign ties to the Russian government, WHICH THEY LIED ABOUT.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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Neither the FBI counterintelligence probe, nor the Mueller probe was illegal or political. There was plenty of probable cause for both. It's so hypocritical for Trump loyalists to say, with NO probable cause or proof, that "Clinton sold uranium to Russia...Clinton colluded with Russia...The Clintons ran a hit squad...Strzok and Page were part of a deep state conspiracy..," yet when there is real suspicion surrounding Trump, and when he and 16 of his people were caught LYING about 140 Russian contacts, it's not only NOT cause for suspicion, but it's TREASON to investigate it! WHAT?!? There is no deep state conspiracy. If you think the DNC, the media, the FBI and the CIA are somehow in cahoots to take down Trump, you are hopelessly ignorant.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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@morethinkingneeded2112 Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. NEITHER THE DOSSIER, NOR THE FISA WARRANT on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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The media didn't lie to start a probe into Russian collusion. The probe started because Trump lied about collusion with Russia. Imagine if Clinton had won, and during the campaign we knew that:
- Clinton said, "Russia, if you're listening, if you can find Trump's deleted emails..."
- The Russians were meddling in her favor and hacked the RNC.
- Knowing about this meddling, Clinton had the DNC platform changed to favor Russia's war on Ukraine.
Then, after Clinton won - but lost the popular vote, it was revealed that:
- New President Clinton appointed a man to head the State Department who had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. (This goes too deep to summarize in this post. Funny, Tillerson was one of Trump's most qualified cabinet picks - until Trump fired him the day after he publicly criticized Putin).
- During the campaign, Chelsae Clinton, John Podesta, and Uma Abeden had met with Russian government surrogates to discuss trading sanction relief for dirt on Donald Trump.
- Clinton's son-in-law/top advisor was working on lifting sanctions imposed for the very offense of meddling, plus those imposed for illegally invading Ukraine.
- After denying ANY Russian contacts by ANY associates, it turned out that 16 of them had Russian contacts during the campaign.
- One associate, a Watergate figure, and self-described "dirty trickster", bragged about contacts with the VERY HACKERS of the RNC, and the VERY WEAPONIZERS of the hacked information.
- Clinton's White House Security Advisor was caught discussing sanction relief with a Russian Ambassador during the transition.
- Clinton fired the FBI Director and said that she did it "because the Clinton/Rusher thing is a 'hoax'".
- President Hillary Clinton continued to cast doubt on the fact that Russia meddled at all, against the findings of the FBI and CIA, and continued to resist imposing sanctions for that very meddling.
- More was revealed about Clinton's financial ties to shady Russian banks known to be involved in money laundering. (The analogy gets a little crazy here, since Clinton was a New York Senator and resident. You get the point, right? Lots of Russian money is laundered through New York real estate - Trump's home state and lifelong profession).
NOW, WOULDN'T YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION?? If you say no, you are a liar!
But wait, there's more...During the investigation, imagine that we found out that:
- After saying she had no deals pending in Russia, Clinton was revealed to have been working on opening a huge hotel in Moscow during the campaign.
- John Podesta was offering insider polling data and briefings on the campaign to a Russian intelligence officer to whom he owed money.
- Podesta is convicted of multiple felonies, including Conspiracy against the United States.
- Clinton's lawyer pleads guilty to multiple felonies and implicates President Clinton, herself, as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC violation involving bank fraud and tax evasion. The feds cite her as "Individual 1".
- Clinton's disgraced National Security Advisor pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about those sanction discussions with the Russians.
- Clinton's "dirty trickster" is arrested for multiple felonies.
- Yet another Clinton staffer, a campaign National Security Advisor she swears was just a "coffee boy" pleads guilty to lying to the FBI about suggesting a meeting with the Russians for their help with the election.
- I'll just throw out a few more names here: Carter Page, Rick Gates, Hope Hicks, Jeff Sessions...all tied to the Russia thing in varying degrees...
If Mueller declined to recommend indicting Clinton - who was unindictable anyway...If Mueller declined to indict Chelsae and her husband, who President Hillary would surely pardon, WOULD YOU SAY, "NO HARM, NO FOUL. GEE, I GUESS IT REALLY WAS ALL JUST A WITCH HUNT AFTER ALL. WE OWE CLINTON AN APOLOGY"?? I didn't think so.
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Slinger of Truth - TDS, huh? Tell me the following is not cause for suspicion:
-The Trump Tower meeting was a QUID PRO QUO with members of the Russian GOVERNMENT to trade illegally obtained DIRT for SANCTION RELIEF. That's collusion as part of a conspiracy.
- Trump's campaign chairman, felon, and cooperating witness, Paul Manafort, was at the Trump Tower meeting. He offered polling data to a known Russian intelligence officer. 21 states' voter rolls were hacked. Manafort had been a lobbyist for Putin. He helped install a crooked, pro-Russian dictator in Ukraine.
- The Trump campaign requested one change to the RNC platform. At the convention, attended by Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, a Trump staffer made this request. The staffer says he was asked to do it by senior campaign members. Manafort and Trump have publicly denied any involvement.
- Trump campaign self described "dirty trickster", Roger Stone, said he had contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange, the very hackers who hacked the DNC and the guy who weaponized the information.
- Trump's personal lawyer, convicted felon, Michael Cohen, has named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in an FEC case that involved bank fraud. Cohen was convicted of lying to investigators about his willingness to travel abroad to further a Trump Tower Moscow deal. Trump lied about pursuing the deal. Both lied about working on it during the campaign. The Steele dossier asserts that Cohen met with Russians in Prague. (Not willing to travel?)
- Trump foreign relations advisor and convicted felon, George Papadopoulos, suggested to the campaign that Trump should meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
- On June 7, 2016, Don Jr. set up the Trump Tower meeting. He denies he told his father about it. Later that day, Trump announced, "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons." Both Steve Bannon and Michael Cohen say Trump knew.
- 16 Trump associates lied about 87 contacts with Russians after Trump said there were no contacts whatsoever. Mike Pence was asked if there was any contact. He replied, "Of course not. Why would there be?" Yeah, Mike. Why would there be?
- Trump's son-in law and Sr. advisor, Jarred Kushner, met with the head of a SANCTIONED Russian bank to discuss setting-up a back-channel to the Kremlin. They discussed a deal in which the US would provide sanction relief in exchange for help with Kushner's 666 5th Avenue money pit of a real estate venture.
- In a private meeting with Putin, Trump took possession of the notes of his own interpreter, and instructed the linguist not to discuss what transpired in the meeting with administration officials.
- The FBI had asked the Trump campaign to call if they saw anything suspicious, but nobody did. Later, Trump would say, (about the Trump Tower meeting), "I think anyone would have taken that meeting".
- At the Helsinki Summit, Trump said he didn't see why Russia would meddle in our election. (Because US intelligence told him they did).
- During the campaign, former National Security Advisor, convicted felon, Michael Flynn went to Moscow for an RT event. (RT - Russia Today, aka, Russian propaganda), and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. He lied about his compensation. He failed to register as a foreign agent.
- Trump security advisor, Carter Page, went to Moscow and made a speech disparaging US/Russia policy. (Page got caught-up in a Russian spy ring in 2013).
- Trump said, "NATO is obsolete". NATO exists to protect Europe from Russian aggression.
- At a NATO summit, Trump refused to reaffirm Article 5, (The 'all for one' article only evoked once, by the US, after 9/11).
- Trump chose Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon, as his first Sec. of State. Tillerson had received Russia's highest award for a foreigner. Exxon lost a $500 billion oil deal with a Russian, state-run, oil company when the US sanctioned Russia for its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Trump fired Tillerson the day after he publicly criticized Putin.
- Putin did NOT want Clinton to become President. As Secretary of State, she was tough on him. Since taking office, Trump has defunded and refused to fully staff the State Department.
- "Russia, if you're listening..."
- Trump has NEVER criticized Putin.
- Trump has never expressed anger or disappointment with any of his people for dealing with Russians, supposedly behind his back.
- Trump repeated Russian propaganda many times. He said the USSR occupied Afghanistan in '79 because of terrorists, and was "right to do it". (The US was instrumental in driving out the Soviets).
- Trump ordered a troop withdrawal from Syria. (a day before Putin's annual press conference). Russia is in Syria to protect the Assad regime. This prompted the resignation of the Secretary of Defense.
- Under Obama, the official US position on Syria was that Assad should go. Trump changed that to allow Assad to stay for now.
- While Putin was running a disinformation campaign against Montenegro, Trump said he thought Montenegro might start WWIII. (Montenegro? Can Trump even find France on a map? Of all countries, he chose one with a multisyllabic name to use as an example? He's too lazy to finish most sentences when he speaks in public).
- Roger Stone and partner, Jerome Corsi "predicted" the DNC email hacks with astounding accuracy. Before Clinton campaign mgr., John Podesta's email account was hacked, Stone emailed an associate, saying, "It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel".
- 80% of the communication requests on a server in Trump Tower came from a Russian bank. (19% from Sec. of Education, Betsy DeVos, and her brother, former Blackwater chief, Eric Prince. The remaining 1% comprised all others).
- The Special Council's office has charged and jailed a suspected Russian spy, Maria Butina, in connection with money laundering through the NRA.
- The Trump Foundation charity has been dissolved. It is being investigated for what the New York AG says is a "shocking pattern of illegality". Donald Trump wrote a check, from the foundation's account, for $25k to then Florida AG, Pam Bondi, who then declined to move a lawsuit forward against Trump University. A donation from the charity was traced to a portrait of Trump hanging in a country club.
- Russian born gangster, felon, and Trump business partner, Felix Sater, is reputed to have been working to get Trump elected. He worked with Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Trump said he didn't know Sater well, and "probably wouldn't recognize him if I saw him". Sater was at Trump's election victory party.
- In January, 2019 Trump hired 17 new lawyers to work on how to evoke executive privilege. That means his strategy is all about CONCEALING what he has done and said. He obviously doesn't think the facts look good for him.
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A little exercise to test your own bias: Think of every time you've defended Donald Trump and every issue on which you've criticized his opposition - Russia, COVID 19, media coverage, false statements, foreign affairs...If you search Google or Youtube, what do you type into the box?
Now, on those same issues, replace his face with that of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Replace that R with a D. Do you find yourself rationalizing? I am confident that on 99% of those issues, you would take the OPPOSITE position.
If you doubt me, just wait. When a Democrat is in the White House again, you'll find yourself being hyper-critical of that Democrat for issues on which you previously excused Trump, or you'll be saying "what about?" about the "what about?" I guarantee it.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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D31 5M Trump dangled pardons for DHS staff who broke eminent domain laws. When caught, he said he was kidding.
He said he was being "sarcastic" when he asked Russia to dig up dirt on Clinton. Sarcasm. Right, as if he meant the opposite. As if he would just up and say, "Russia, definitely DON'T hack my opponent," while he knew Russia was trying to help him win. Right. And then, we found out that his top people were meeting with them to...(drumroll).., get dirt on Clinton. Then, he just happened to ask China and Ukraine for help, and, whatdya know, took the position that it's OKAY to take foreign election help.
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In 2000, when the Court gave the Presidency to George Bush when it came down to a state where Bush's brother was governor, did Dems go nuts? Did they refuse to accept the results and start a smear campaign against Bush as "an excuse for a lost election"? When the Republicans obstructed Obama's SCOTUS pick with a bullshit excuse about a year away being too close to an election, did Dems go nuts? When Trump let a far-right group, the pick Neil Gorsuch for what should have been Garland's seat, and refused to consult with Dems beforehand, as is traditional, did Dems go nuts? No. Now, another far-right group has made a list, from which Trump picked the guy most likely to protect him from the Russia probe, and a guy who could very well help overturn Roe V. Wade, (which only 29% of the public supports). They withheld 100,000 documents needed to properly vet this man, finally releasing 42,000 of them 15 hours before the confirmation hearing. Now, Dems are showing their anger. Dems don't do that until they are pushed and pushed. It's about time.
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Flynn and Papadopoulos - cooperating, pleaded guilty. Manafort - found guilty, seeking plea deal, facing up to two more trials. Cohen - Pleaded guilty, named Trump unindicted co-conspirator, seeking plea deal. Enquirer CEO, David Pecker - granted immunity. Trump Organization CFO, Alan Weiselburg - granted immunity. Over a dozen Russians tied to Trump - indicted. Trump Foundation - under investigation, Trump and 3 kids named in lawsuit. Don McGahn, Hope Hicks, Roger Stone, and a dozen or so more Trump associates - giving statements to Mueller... Oh yeah, this will end great for Trump.
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@nrqed If you think climate science, which has 98% consensus by the world's scientists, is a conspiracy, you are a fool. Russia? Hello, McFly - Trump's people met with them in New York to trade illegally obtained information for sanction relief. 16 Trump associates lied about 140 denied Russian contacts. Trump asked Russia to help him, then SAID IT WAS OKAY to solicit foreign election help, and asked China and Ukrainevto help him, also! Trump and his people were reaching out to the foreign government that was attacking our election to help him win!
I repeat: THEY WERE REACHING OUT TO THE RUSSIANS, WHO WERE ATTACKING OUR ELECTION TO HELP HIM WIN.
You don't think that's cause for an investigation? Oh, but I'm sure you'd be fine with Obama or Clinton doung the same thing, right? I know, crickets, because NONE of you can say you would be.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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THE FBI IS NOT FULL OF POLITICIANS! Think about it - Who works for the FBI? COPS. Federal Cops. A lot of them started out as local cops. They didn't apply to become political idealists. They joined to bust drug dealers, murderers, mafia thugs and money launderers. That's the nature of the business. They didn't get into politics. Politics got into them when they suddenly had to deal with a perfect storm of having to make decisions about two unpopular presidential candidates who were both under investigation - both for good reason - during an election year. And if you think they were motivated by some hatred of Trump, I have 2 points: 1)- The FBI is full of Republicans, at least half. Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller and McCabe are all Conservatives. If Trump was so great, and appealed to enough Conservative Republicans to get elected, why is it such a stretch to believe members of the conservative-leaning FBI wouldn't also be Trump supporters? Why would they be so in love with Liberal Hillary? 2)- The FBI Russia probe started BEFORE the election. Sure, Trump was talking like a blowhard jackass, saying controversial things during his campaign, but it was DURING A CAMPAIGN, when we give them some room to talk shit. I think I speak for most Democrats when I say we thought he might settle down and "pivot" once he got elected. We thought he might not end up lying, race-baiting, and trashing the media every single day. It stands to reason that even if he wasn't the greatest, Republicans would have been happy just to have someone on their team, and at least not Hillary, in the White House. This "crooked liberal" FBI shit is nonsense!
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@necrago We hear enough enough coming right out of Trump's mouth to show us he's an incompetent crook. He doesn't need the media to make him look bad. HE COORDINATES WITH FOX NEWS, so I don't want to hear your complaining about "biased media". Would you have been okay with Anderson Cooper coordinating with Barack Obama? Didn't think so.
-- Learn the difference between FACT, OPINION, and ANALYSIS.
-- Lying is knowing a FACT and saying otherwise. An OPINION can't be a lie.
-- MSM can't "cover up" anything because. MSM are not the sole gatekeepers of information.
-- Those "CNN green screen faked" Youtube videos are complete BS.
-- "Enemy of the people" is a term coined by Joseph Stalin. The POTUS using it like a parrot with fake news turrets syndrome should bother you.
-- Typing into a Youtube search box, looking for some journalist wannabe to confirm your bias is not "research".
-- Sometimes, alternative is good. NOT the case with news. Big media outlets can afford editors, FACT CHECKERS, planes, trucks, high-priced reporters whose reputations are their assets, and INSIDE SOURCES. Mark Dice doesn't know people at the Pentagon.
-- MSM isn't controlled by the DNC or the CIA. They're controlled by ADVERTISERS. They're motivated by money, not politics. It makes no sense to limit themselves to one political party. MSM will and DO report on Dems behaving badly.
-- You can complain about corporate media, but corporations are CAPITALIST, not socialist. Capitalism is based on competition. Outlets compete to get the most accurate information out there first. MSM are obnoxious and sensational, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Facts are facts.
-- They HAVE TO use narratives. It's how they sell their product - information. ANALYSIS helps viewers understand the raw information.
-- If you only watch "liberal" media to look for bias, then YOU are engaging in confirmation bias.
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Mary Ann LeCain
Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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Try to understand, Trump followers: Spying on a campaign is bad. Surveillance on an enemy is good. So, when a campaign gets in bed with our enemy, it REQUIRES surveillance of that enemy.
Christophe Steele, former British spy, reporting his oppo research findings to the FBI was GOOD. The British are our allies. We have a COMMON GOAL - to reign-in the Putin regime. Putin wants to do harm to the US.
If Steele had given his findings, THOSE findings, to Clinton, it would have been wrong. But he DIDN'T do that. He went to the FBI instead.
Clinton didn't use the dossier in her campaign. She never saw it. MSM didn't even want to report it. It couldn't be verified, and might have been TRULY fake news. Only "cat video" Buzzfeed put it out. MSM is NOT working with the DNC and the FBI. There is no "leftist deep state". That's just paranoid, tribal, conspiracy theory, That's not the way things work.
On the other hand, Trump DID invite and accept help from a foreign GOVERNMENT - to help his CAMPAIGN, not to help his COUNTRY.
Do Trumpers not understand this?? The findings of the FBI's counterintelligence probe, as with ALL counterintelligence probes, weren't meant for public eyes, and certainly not for the eyes of political campaign operatives. The Mueller probe started later, because Trump was acting so shady and obstructiony that we needed an independent, non-political body to look into it.
And you can't have it both ways. If the Steele dossier was collusion with Russia, then the Trump Tower meeting was super-duper collusion. Got it? Tell me how it isn't.
Any questions?
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Darren Watters - No, collusion is not a crime. So, why does Trump keep saying that the Mueller report says, "No collusion"? It DOESN'T. Conspiracy is a crime tht Mueller found insufficient evidence to charge. Collusion is cooperation with nefarious intent. The Russians did commit a crime, Mueller did charge many of them, and the Trump campaign cooperated (colluded) with them.
Is an agency allowed to investigate a possible crime? YES. "Predicated"? Do you mean have PROBABLE CAUSE? Like I said, the Russians were found to have committed crimes, to help TRUMP win. They shouldn't include a BENEFICIARY of that crime in their probe? Trump didn't want to answer questions even as a possible WITNESS. He didn't want to know if any of his people were committing crimes for him behind his back? He says his son DID meet the Russians without telling him. The possible crimes that members of the Trump campaign were investigated for were CONSPIRACY and OBSTRUCTION. Are YOU that stupid? 16 Trump associates lied about over 140 contacts with Russian nationals. Trump, himself, lied about pursuing a Trump Tower Moscow deal. THAT'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO INVESTIGATE. If a foreign adversary knows a US President is lying to his people, they can BLACKMAIL that president.
Trump says Mueller exonerated him, so what is Trump's problem? Why doesn't he want Mueller or his people to testify? How can the man who "exonerated" him be illegitimate at the same time? Are you that dense?
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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Control Denied - "The same "Russians" who have ties to the DNC and the Clinton foundation?" ?? What on earth are you even referring to?
"One of the first reports was out of the Washington post in 2007." 2007? Nine years before the election? Hello, McFly. Do you understand anything? By the way, show me one item of "speculation, opinion, or rumor" in the Mueller Report. It is based on sworn testimony, not "rumor", and Mueller explicitly refused to speculate or give his opinion.
And Papadopoulos was not set up. It is confirmed by several Trump associates, including Jeff Sessions, who sat in a meeting with Trump, that Papadopoulos wanted to meet with the Russians to try to get Hillary's emails. There is a photograph of that meeting! And you say I don't know the facts? Trump, himself doesn't dispute these facts!
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...When Mike Pence was asked if anyone in the campaign had any contacts with Russians, he said, "Of course not. Why would they?" Yeah, why would they? Are high level meetings with surrogates of powerful, adversarial, foreign governments a normal part of a Presidential campaign? No. It's unheard of. Trump, like all candidates, was warned about foreign meddlers and asked to call the FBI if they saw anything suspicious. Instead, Don Jr said, "If it's what you say, I love it". That is PROBABLE CAUSE.
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Jerry Vida - (SMH). First, there have been absolutely no trials for anyone about collusion and Obstruction. None. Collusion isn't even a crime, so nobody could ever be tried for it.
Second, the only thing I said about you that was judgemental was that I thought you PROBABLY thought all news except FOX News was fake. Except that you say you don't believe FOX News, I WAS CORRECT. Now, count the judgments and assumptions you have made about me. Hypocrite much?
No, MSM does not get paid to lie. Name EVEN ONE TIME someone paid a news outlet to lie. You cannot nas me even one, unless it was on FOX. Now, if you don't get your information about politics and government from the mainstream media, then where do you get your information? You are extremely ignorant of the facts, so I suggest you learn some critical thinking skills so that you can even RECOGNIZE a fact when you hear one.
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"Brainwashed," say the brainwashed FOX News viewers. Do you have any idea what you're watching? Do you not notice that they never EXPLAIN anything? They just throw out a bunch of demonized names and buzzwords, and conflate all of the stories into one, big slam on "the left" and "the deep state". When it's over, they haven't told you a thing. You don't know this, because you refuse to watch the rest of the news because FOX has convinced you that it's all left wing propaganda. Sure. ALL OTHERS, while they have no other competition on their level. The right has defined what is "the left". It's not left/right, it's mainstream/alternative. FOX News is ALTERNATIVE, but you are too BRAINWASHED to see it.
Take an honest look at which side repeats the most talking points. Thecright, hands down, by a HUGE margin.
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Hey, MAGA World, pretend it was Biden who, while leaving office, took 15 boxes of documents from the National Archives while insisting the election was stolen, refusing to ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF 61 JUDGES, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, and inviting an armed mob to STORM THE US CAPITOL. "Let's have trial by combat!" said Trump's lawyer, to the mob on 1/6.
Pretend Biden also took those documents while under multiple investigations.
Would you be okay with that? If Barack Obama did that? Bill Clinton? Would you DEFEND that?
And speaking of your devil, what about Hillary's emails?? Trumpers have this blind eye for the massive, intentional mishandling of classified information by the Trump Administration.
You can't have it both ways. If you think she should be locked up, so should he and for longer.
You thought Hillary was reckless with information ten years ago. SHE WAS INVESTIGATED. She admitted doing it. It's over.
And Hunter Biden is also being investigated, so what more do you want? It seems you people never try to understand the process of things.
This is about Donald Trump. If ANY other actual US President did what he did, do you seriously think there wouldn't be an investigation? That one wouldn't be absolutely called for? What If it were Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan?
All of those things Trump did and said as President that "we just hate him" for - If Biden did or said them..?
What about Obama?
If Hillary had become President?
All you have are whataboutisms and accusations about the "deep state".
WHO are you talking about? You're saying the only way to explain it is this shadowy, evil left-wing network of political crooks who have invaded every agency including the military, the CIA, the FBI, and the National Archives.
All this "election stealing" on every level from Biden to the Chinese to regular Dem voters...any ACTUAL SUSPECTS? Other than your President harassing and defaming three female generations of volunteer poll workers in Georgia. I hope they sue Trump for every dime.
Anyone who cries about the "deep state" doesn't understand the basics of separation of powers or even the fundamentals of how the US government works.
How many more REPUBLICAN TRUMP WORLD INSIDERS have to all paint the same picture of him before you get it? They're ALL lying? They're all "out to get him" and "just don't like him"? They all wanted to put themselves through hell? Think.
Until you can say you would defend any other President acting this way, any arguments you make to defend Trump are simply tribal, mindlessly biased, in bad faith, and therefore moot.
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Why are people upset about the US "selling our uranium to Russia"?
Is it the word, "uranium"? To the willfully ignorant, uranium = nuclear bombs. They think Hillary somehow ceded our nuclear capability to Russia.
Isn't their argument that Dems don't trust Russia, and want WWIII? We DON'T trust Putin, but NOBODY wants WWIII.
Russia has LEGALLY had the bomb for decades. There's no shortage of uranium for either of us. Both the US and Russia have +/- 5000 nuclear warheads. It only takes a small amount of uranium to make a HYDROGEN bomb, which is today's technology. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe.
The uranium they're talking about is not "bomb-ready" right out of the ground. Uranium One is a MINING company.
The deal was a sale of SHARES, of a CANADIAN company. No uranium was moved ANYWHERE.
The advisory board consists of 9 US and 5 Canadian agencies, and was lead by a REPUBLICAN.
Bribing ONLY the State Dept, to do something ALL 13 OTHER AGENCIES were going to do anyway, MAKES NO SENSE.
If the accusation was true, Hillary would have been the only one trying to STOP the deal.
The allegation is that she took a bribe to make the sale happen. This has NEVER made any sense. Can any of you Uranium One idiots even explain your "case"?
The alleged "briber" didn't have any stake in the company at the time. Where's the motive?
He would have had to bribe 13 other agencies. They ALL approved the deal.
Only the President could veto it. Going after Hillary, and not Obama, shows the ignorance. They're barking up the wrong branch on the wrong tree.
Here's why a deal from before 2012 became a thing - OBAMA WASN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016. HILLARY WAS. It's political.
I'd say these are just a bunch of Russian trolls pushing this bs on social media, but Republican Senators are parroting this crap, and Trump has held a 39% approval rating for two years, no matter what.
Even Trump's own, incoming AG dismissed it as bs. Do facts not matter anymore?
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There are only two possible reasons the Obama Administration would have spied on the Trump campaign. 1)- To prevent his election, or 2)- To smear him in case he got elected.
You can eliminate the first one. No information gathered by US intelligence was used during the campaign.
The ONLY possibility would have been to smear Trump in case he won. That WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. Why would Clinton, with a 94% chance of winning, bother to prepare for that 6% chance?
For a 6% chance, would Obama, FBI, and CIA officials in non-political agencies - most of whom were Republicans - risk their careers and their freedom? Would they engage in a MASSIVE conspiracy involving dozens of people across multiple agencies, right under the noses of Republicans among them, just to make Trump look bad?
If the FBI was so desperate to ensure a Clinton victory, why did Comey re-open her email case and HURT her chances? Why DIDN'T he announce that there was a probe into Trump's possible ties to Russia? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The FBI was trying to safeguard the election from Russian attack. In the process, they uncovered many Trump campaign ties to the Russian government, WHICH THEY LIED ABOUT.
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someone else - Actually, it's far from over. Mueller didn't say there was no collusion, which means cooperation, and isn't a crime. He declined to charge anyone with CONSPIRACY, and he specifically said Trump was NOT exonerated for obstruction. He left that to Bill Barr, Trump's hand picked AG to conclude, but also knows Congress will subpoena the full, 300 page report that tells the story. All we have seen is Barr's 4 page summary. Hope Hicks is cooperating in what is obviously an obstruction probe in another district, and she witnessed the drafting of Trump's false cover story about the Trump Tower meeting. One of Trump's legal counselors quit their job while on Air Force One to not be part of the obstruction. He says Hope Hicks said of incriminating documents that, "Nobody will see those". Well, I bet they will now. Like I said, she is cooperating. Trump could have pardoned anyone Mueller had charged, but can't pardon state crimes. New York is investigating Trump for his dissolved charity, where the NY AG saw "a shocking pattern of illegality". They are also looking at the Trump Organization and the Trump Inaugural Committee that can't account for $107 million. Then, there's the matter of Trump being named "Individual 1" for directing Cohen to commit bank fraud as part of an FEC violation.
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There are no good, strong arguments to defend Trump. When people have a weak argument, they get defensive. They dig in and double down. People feel they have to have an opinion, they have to form it immediately, and never back down. To Trump followers, it's not about solving problems. It's about winning the argument. They must know on some level that if Trump was a Democrat, they would take the exact opposite position.
Imagine if it was Hillary Clinton's daughter and top people who had met with a foreign government to trade dirt on Trump for sanction relief. Imagine if 16 Clinton associates had lied about it. Imagine if she had lied about pursuing a real estate deal in Moscow in 2016.
Imagine if Obama had lied 19,000 times in 3 years. If he accused Republicans of ridiculous, vast conspiracies every other day. Imagine if Obama had done nothing about reports of Russian bounties on US troops or a world pandemic. Imagine if he had spewed nonsense about COVID testing, hid White House visitor logs, called undocumented Mexicans rapists or the CIA Nazis, insulted war widows, tweeted daily insults, spoken like a rambling coot, asked China and Ukraine to investigate his rival, dangled pardons, fired people investigating him, complained constantly about Bush by name, accused the media of lying daily, surrounded himself with criminals, refused to release his tax returns, had record staff turnover, hired his family, talked like a racist...I could go on.
Obama caught heat for wearing a tan suit. He was branded a traitor for telling a Russian diplomat he would be more flexible after an election - flexible to do what? It could have been anything. But anyone who raises an eyebrow about Trump's shady behavior is branded a traitor.
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Watching countries like Russia to keep them from meddling in our elections is exactly what our intelligence services are there to do. Just like with Michael Flynn, they were listening to the Russians, and found Americans on the other end of the conversations. They found Trump's top people meeting with the Russians when they came to New York to try to get Trump elected. Spying on the Russians is necessary. Spying on a campaign is wrong, and that's why the FBI did NOT announce that they were looking into possible Trump/Russia connections. (They did, however, announce they were looking into Hillary Clinton, and it HURT her chances). They did NOT wiretap Trump's phones. Christopher Steele did NOT give his oppo research findings to the DNC. He gave them to the FBI. It was Trump Jr, Jarred Kushner, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Jeff Sessions, JD Gordon, others, and Donald "Russia, if you're listening" Trump who aroused REASONABLE SUSPICION about their involvement with Russia. 16 Trump associates LIED about 140 Russian contacts when Mike Pence said there were NONE AT ALL.
Common sense, people. Whether you think what they did was legal or not, ethical or not, to enlist foreign help in our elections, it got Trump in trouble. And look what he did. Though completely unnecessary, he insisted it was just fine. He called it "oppo research", (but when the DNC hired an actual, American oppo research firm that the Republicans hired first, he called it treason). Then, what did he do? He did it AGAIN with Ukraine! After all the trouble his screwing around with foreigners caused, that dumbass DID IT AGAIN!!
Can you Trumpers really not see the forrest for the trees? "Everyone is lying but me! The media, the DNC, the FBI, and the CIA are ALL in on the world's biggest conspiracy! Any Republican that doesn't agree is a RINO..!" Donald Trump lies twice as often as most people urinate. If Hillary Clinton had won, and did and said the same things as Trump, can you honestly say you would be okay with it? Would it be crazy to even be suspicious? Treasonous to even ask questions? Can you see why the Trump base is being compared to a cult? This is pure insanity.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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Gary Baldwin - Trump supporters:
- Say "fake news!" in defense of a pathological liar.
- Call Dems "radical" in defense of the most radical president ever, who announced he would "tear down the administrative state".
- Call Biden a nepotist and a crook in defense of a president credibly accused, if not proven to have committed charity fraud, bank fraud, tax fraud, sexual assault, FEC violations, soliciting foreign government election help, bribery, extortion, witness intimidation, dangling pardons, circumventing security vetting, and more, after hiring family members as his top advisors.
- Call Biden old in defense of a man of the same age.
- Call Biden a racist while Trump has a long history of racist statements and actions.
- Call Biden senile in defense of a president who has never delivered a single speech without going off on tangents and rambling like an old coot.
- Accuse Biden of hiding in a basement after Trump rightfully earned the nickname, "bunker boy", for retreating to an actual bunker during protests in DC.
- Accuse Dems of childishness as Trump continues to tweet daily about things beneath the average 12 year old.
- Say "Do nothing Democrats" as the Republican Senate does nothing after its leader declared himself "the grim reaper" for killing Dem-sponsored bills. Republicans haven't passed an infrastructure bill or proposed anything to replace Obamacare.
- Accuse Obama of playing too much golf in defense of someone who plays much more.
- Decry Obama adding to the national debt as Trump is adding to it at a higher rate. When Trump was told in 2017 that the debt was projected to rise sharply over the next 8 years, he responded, "I don't care. I'll be gone then."
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@kh-if6hn Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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John Doe - First, that's neither here nor there. If 52% want him removed, he has a snowball's chance in hell of being re-elected. No, I don't like him, for good reasons. There are plenty of reasons to remove him.
- The Mueller Report details ten instances of obstruction.
- Trump was named an unindicted co-conspirator, Individual 1, for directing his lawyer to commit a felony, involving bank fraud and FEC violations, to pay hush money to a porn actress. He is on tape committing this crime.
- Trump has repeatedly violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution by funnelling money to himself through his real estate properties. He is putting money from American taxpayers and foreign dignitaries right into his own pocket.
- Trump altered an official weather chart. That is a crime.
- Trump dangled pardons to get officials to circumvent eminent domain laws for his border wall.
- Trump solicited the help of a foreign government to dig up dirt on his potential opponent, a prominent US citizen, former Senator and Vice President. He extorted the Ukrainians and engaged in a cover up.
- Trump is using the DOJ to maliciously investigate 130 former State Department officials' emails from over 7 years ago, and retroactivity classifying them. This is clearly an abuse of power, to smear Trump's arch rival, purely for the purpose of politics.
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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First, there was a counterintelligence probe to look into Russia. Not necessarily Trump/Russia, but Russia's election meddling. That lead to Trump. When Mike Pence was asked if ANYONE in the campaign had ANY contacts with Russians, he said, "Of course not. Why would they?" But it turned out that Trump and 16 of his associates lied about 140 Russian contacts. Trump's son and top people had met with Russian government surrogates to trade illegally obtained information for sanction relief. Trump lied about pursuing a Trump Tower Moscow deal that required the approval of Putin, the very person who was attacking our election to get Trump elected. That is PROBABLE CAUSE for a probe.
Trump refused to acknowledge the FBI and CIA findings about Russia. He oddly cozied up to Putin and worked to lift sanctions on them. Then, he fired the FBI Director, and said it was over the Russia probe. That's what started the Mueller probe.
There was probable cause for the FISA warrant on Carter Page, and a judge agreed. Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm. Its findings were not obtained from a foreign government, there was no quid pro quo, and the findings were not shared with the Clinton campaign. Christopher Steele reported it to the FBI because he found them so alarming.
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When did conservatives become the anti-war, pro free speech crowd? Oh yeah, when Trump got elected. It's not genuine. They don't want to stand up to North Korea or Russia anymore, but they'll gladly support Trump if he starts a war with Iran or Venezuela. And what short memories. Now, we have conservatives saying, "The liberal media was pushing for the Iraq war." What? Are they too young to remember or just trying to revise history?
As for free speech, they're quick to condemn criticism of their own as "hate speech", but have no problem with Trump trashing the American free press in the presence of journalist killers like MBS, Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin. Ignorant, tribal, hypocritical double standards. They're simply anti-liberal, no matter what the facts are.
Just remember, Trump was for the Iraq war before he was against it, and he says we should have TAKEN THEIR OIL. And remember, Trump is the habitual liar who paid for fake polls and spent his life planting stories in the tabloids. "Fake news" is his specialty.
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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There are only two possible reasons the Obama Administration would have spied on the Trump campaign. 1)- To prevent his election, or 2)- To smear him in case he got elected.
You can eliminate the first one. No information gathered by US intelligence was used during the campaign.
The ONLY possibility would have been to smear Trump in case he won. That WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. Why would Clinton, with a 94% chance of winning, bother to prepare for that 6% chance?
For a 6% chance, would Obama, FBI, and CIA officials in non-political agencies - most of whom were Republicans - risk their careers and their freedom? Would they engage in a MASSIVE conspiracy involving dozens of people across multiple agencies, right under the noses of Republicans among them, just to make Trump look bad?
If the FBI was so desperate to ensure a Clinton victory, why did Comey re-open her email case and HURT her chances? Why DIDN'T he announce that there was a probe into Trump's possible ties to Russia? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The FBI was trying to safeguard the election from Russian attack. In the process, they uncovered many Trump campaign ties to the Russian government, WHICH THEY LIED ABOUT.
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The REAL Marco Polo1 - So, you people are even projecting prohection now?
Your president,
The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns.
The “genius” who hides his college grades.
The “businessman” who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 yrs.
The “playboy” who pays for $ex.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church.
The “philanthropist” who defrauds charities.
The “patriot” who dodged the draft.
The “innocent man” who refuses to testify.
The “President” who takes no responsibility.
The “tough, strong man“ who wears makeup and hairspray but never a mask.
The “deal maker” who has yet to close a deal.
(I'd add "The 'asset to the black community' who constantly says racially offensive things").
If America reelects this guy, it deserves the dystopian future that follows.
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. I mean, it’s no good. So I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.”
― The Donald @ Larry King Live, October 1999
“A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him and he said, ‘Where do I pay?’ And they said, ‘There’s no charge.’ Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean we could have a great system in this country.”
― The Donald @ The David Letterman Show, January 2015
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”
― The Donald @ interview with The Washington Post, January 2017
“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman. I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she's given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her.”
― The Donald @ interview with CNN, 2007
“I know her [Hillary Clinton] and she'd make a good president or good vice president.”
[speaking of the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries]
― The Donald @ "Trumped!", a syndicated radio feature, 2008
“I don’t want to pivot... If you start pivoting, you’re not being honest with people.”
― The Donald @ interview with Wisconsin television station WKBT, August 2016
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s, like, incredible.”
― The Donald @ campaign rally in Iowa, January 2016
“I love all people, rich or poor, but in those particular [i.e. cabinet] positions I just don’t want a poor person.”
― The Donald @ rally in Iowa, June 2017
“I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it’s literally going to cease to exist.”
― The Donald @ Playboy, March 1990
“The point is that you can’t be too greedy.”
― The Donald @ “The Art of the Deal”, 1987
“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
[speaking of having $ex and referring to women's geпitals as “potential landmines”.]
― The Donald @ interview on The Howard Stern Show, November 1997
“Vagiпa is expensive.”
― The Donald @ his second wedding, as retold on The Howard Stern Show, 1997
“Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
― The Donald @ Twitter, November 2013
“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.”
― The Donald @ “The Art of the Deal”, 1987
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Hey, MAGA World, pretend it was Biden who, while leaving office, took 15 boxes of documents from the National Archives while insisting the election was stolen, refusing to ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF 61 JUDGES, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, and inviting an armed mob to STORM THE US CAPITOL. "Let's have trial by combat!" said Trump's lawyer, to the mob on 1/6.
Pretend Biden also took those documents while under multiple investigations.
Would you be okay with that? If Barack Obama did that? Bill Clinton? Would you DEFEND that?
And speaking of your devil, what about Hillary's emails?? Trumpers have this blind eye for the massive, intentional mishandling of classified information by the Trump Administration.
You can't have it both ways. If you think she should be locked up, so should he and for longer.
You thought Hillary was reckless with information ten years ago. SHE WAS INVESTIGATED. She admitted doing it. It's over.
And Hunter Biden is also being investigated, so what more do you want? It seems you people never try to understand the process of things.
This is about Donald Trump. If ANY other actual US President did what he did, do you seriously think there wouldn't be an investigation? That one wouldn't be absolutely called for? What If it were Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan?
All of those things Trump did and said as President that "we just hate him" for - If Biden did or said them..?
What about Obama?
If Hillary had become President?
All you have are whataboutisms and accusations about the "deep state".
WHO are you talking about? You're saying the only way to explain it is this shadowy, evil left-wing network of political crooks who have invaded every agency including the military, the CIA, the FBI, and the National Archives.
All this "election stealing" on every level from Biden to the Chinese to regular Dem voters...any ACTUAL SUSPECTS? Other than your President harassing and defaming three female generations of volunteer poll workers in Georgia. I hope they sue Trump for every dime.
Anyone who cries about the "deep state" doesn't understand the basics of separation of powers or even the fundamentals of how the US government works.
How many more REPUBLICAN TRUMP WORLD INSIDERS have to all paint the same picture of him before you get it? They're ALL lying? They're all "out to get him" and "just don't like him"? They all wanted to put themselves through hell? Think.
Until you can say you would defend any other President acting this way, any arguments you make to defend Trump are simply tribal, mindlessly biased, in bad faith, and therefore moot.
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We're used to Trump's conspiracy bullshit. It's easy to say, "That's just Trump", but this shit is serious. Before his election, he said it would be rigged. We knew he was eccentric. We're somewhat forgiving of campaign rhetoric. But back then, we weren't sure of a few things: 1)- That he would become President. 2)- That he would only get more eccentric AS President. 3)- That Russia had interfered to the extent they did, to help HIM win, and about all of the lies, outreach to, and meetings with the Russians by members of his team. In hindsight, "Russia, if you're listening...", his refusal to criticize Putin, and his claims of a rigged election seem more suspicious, right? He actually said it was okay to cheat in his favor. (By the way, we'll never know how he - and his base - would have reacted if he'd lost. Remember, he wouldn't say he would concede if he did - And it's batshit nuts that even became an issue with a US Presidential candidate!) After he lost the popular vote, but won the election, he was STILL crying foul, and AS PRESIDENT, formed a commission to look into his absurd claim of 3 million illegal votes. Think that was nothing because they didn't find anything? NO. They tried to collect data on the voters. That wasn't for nothing. THIS IS SERIOUS. - Cut to 19 months later - We know his team was working to lift sanctions on Russia from day one. The Trump Tower meeting. Trump Tower Moscow. Sater. Flynn. Papadopoulos. Cohen. Page. Qatar... There is a Special Council looking into him in no small part BECAUSE HE ADMITTED HE FIRED AN FBI DIRECTOR OVER THE RUSSIA PROBE. Trump barely, reluctantly even admits Russia attacked our election! He hasn't done a fucking thing to stop them from meddling again! Now, he says the very Special Counsel in charge of finding out what happened - as it looks like Mueller is closing-in on the truth - IS GOING TO MEDDLE IN THE NEXT ELECTION!?!? TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUSLY!!! This man has "joked" about being extended a third term. He has "joked" about it soon becoming a "one party system". He shows admiration for dictators. Putin doesn't run disinformation campaigns for no reason. He uses them to soften targets. If you don't believe that, ask the Ukrainians. Ask Paul Manafort - who happened to be Trump's campaign manager! Know who coined the term, "deep state"? Joseph Stalin...of the Soviet Union! You clueless "conservatards (yuk, yuk) need to get a clue. What kind of tribal, ignorant fuckwads are okay with an habitually lying clown? People who think life is a fucking reality show. Because he speaks his mind, that means he is HONEST? Because he was an "outsider", means EXPERIENCE doesn't matter? Because you are so keen to all of these "conspiracies", you can tell he is being straight with you? Because he said, "Drain the swamp", he can't be a swamp creature? Because he got out in front of what HE KNEW HE'D BE ACCUSED OF BY PROJECTING IT ON HIS OPPONENTS FIRST? Get my drift, here? He is claiming "rigged election" again. THINK. It's one thing to have conviction. It's another to base your conviction on seeing only what you want to. How about seeing his tax returns? How about trust, but verify, seeing as he has no government experience? You Trumpers are taking a foolish leap of faith.
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Flynn and Papadopoulos - cooperating, pleaded guilty. Manafort - found guilty, seeking plea deal, facing up to two more trials. Cohen - Pleaded guilty, named Trump unindicted co-conspirator, seeking plea deal. Enquirer CEO, Wiselburg - granted immunity. Trump Organization CFO - granted immunity. Over a dozen Russians tied to Trump - indicted. Trump Foundation - under investigation, Trump and 3 kids named in lawsuit. Don McGahn, Hope Hicks, Roger Stone, and a dozen or so more Trump associates - giving statements to Mueller... Oh yeah, this will end great for Trump.
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This happened AFTER Trump and his campaign found out Russia was attacking our election, and AFTER the FBI told them to call if they saw anything suspicious:
-- Trump said, "Russia, if you're listening..."
-- 16 Trump associates contacted Russians regarding the election. ALL except Roger Stone denied it until confronted, then said there was nothing wrong with it. (So, why lie?) Then, Stone denied his previous statements that he was in touch with Assange and Guccifer 2.0. (The very people who hacked the DNC and released the emails).
-- The Trump Tower meeting. (Straight-up collusion).
-- The request to change the RNC platform to benefit Russia against Ukraine.
-- Papadopoulos suggested a meeting with the Russians.
-- Trump continued to pursue a real estate deal in Moscow, and lied about it. (He is reputed to have offered the penthouse suite to Putin. If true, that's a major emoluments crime).
-- Paul Manafort offered to give briefings on the campaign to Russia. By the way, Manafort literally worked for Putin. Then he "just happened" to become Trump's campaign chairman.
-- Trump repeatedly praised Putin, never once condemning him. Instead, he cast doubt on the CIA.
-- Kushner met with a SANCTIONED Russian bank to trade sanction relief for personal favors and to set up a back channel to the Kremlin.
-- Flynn told the Russians not to retaliate for sanctions.
-- Trump, at Putin's request, invited Russian ambassadors into the Oval Office, where he spilled Israeli spy secrets and said the FBI Director he'd just fired was a "nut job".
-- Trump continued to cast doubt on Russia's guilt.
-- Trump sided with Putin in front of the world at the Helsinki summit.
-- They never called the FBI.
Did the Democrats make them do ANY of that? Are these things not cause for suspicion? If you say, "no", it would be pretty hypocritical to insist that the Page/Strok texts, Uranium One, and Obama's hot mic are proof of crimes, especially a deep state conspiracy. The above are all what's called circumstantial evidence. It's all right off the top of my head. There is so much more implicating evidence. Again, my point is that they KNEW what Russia was up to, but did those things anyway.
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We know Trump and his people use every tool they can to dig up dirt on their opponents. And what have they ever found? Obama? We know how the birther thing worked out for them. Wire "tapps"? Nada. Good luck with the embedded spy thing. They found nothing when they tried to get dirt on the people involved in the Iran deal. Trump can't even prove that the Iran deal, DACA, or anything else Obama did turned disastrous. Hillary Clinton? They had the help of the Russian intelligence services - all of the DNC emails - and barely a thing. So, some DNC staffers once talked about going after Bernie Sanders over his religion and didn't even follow through. Created some scheduling conflicts for him? Ooooh, maajor corruption! Hillary's emails? Not one single instance of classified information getting in the wrong hands. Podesta's "spirit cooking" ?? Nonsense like "pizzagate" and the wholly debunked Uranium 1 thing? (Bribed ONE of NINE heads of agencies??). The notion that Clinton controlled the FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA, DHS, the entire mainstream media, the Obama White House, British, Dutch, and Australian intelligence is absurd. Rosenstein has been giving Nunes more than he legally deserves, and found nothing but some vague texts about an "insurance policy". Yeah, that proves everything (sarcasm)... Now - What has the Mueller probe turned-up? And the Mueller probe hasn't even leaked!
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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A little exercise to test your own bias: Think of every time you've defended Donald Trump and every issue on which you've criticized his opposition - Russia, COVID 19, media coverage, false statements, foreign affairs...If you search Google or Youtube, what do you type into the box?
Now, on those same issues, replace his face with that of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Replace that R with a D. Do you find yourself rationalizing? I am confident that on 99% of those issues, you would take the OPPOSITE position.
If you doubt me, just wait. When a Democrat is in the White House again, you'll find yourself being hyper-critical of that Democrat for issues on which you previously excused Trump, or you'll be saying "what about?" about the "what about?" I guarantee it.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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A little exercise to test your own bias: Think of every time you've defended Donald Trump and every issue on which you've criticized his opposition - Russia, COVID 19, media coverage, false statements, foreign affairs...If you search Google or Youtube, what do you type into the box?
Now, on those same issues, replace his face with that of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Replace that R with a D. Do you find yourself rationalizing? I am confident that on 99% of those issues, you would take the OPPOSITE position.
If you doubt me, just wait. When a Democrat is in the White House again, you'll find yourself being hyper-critical of that Democrat for issues on which you previously excused Trump, or you'll be saying "what about?" about the "what about?" I guarantee it.
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@lostpyper Uh, was I answering you, specifically? No. If you want to go independent, I see nothing wrong with that. That's healthy cynicism. Politicians suck. It's these FOX News viewing, Trump worshipping hypocrites that are ridiculous. These FOX News comment boards are FULL of people accusing liberals of lumping them all into one category - as they lump us all into one category.
I am a firm believer, however, that if the FBI and CIA had NOT done its counterintelligence probe on the Russians - which is exactly what it was, and not a political targeting of Trump - then Trump and his followers would have been crying, "Obama and the FBI did NOTHING to stop Russia, who attacked our sacred election!" Oh yeah, they DO say that!
When you listen to the Russians and hear TRUMP AND HIS PEOPLE ON TBE ITHER END OF THE LINE, you do something about it. 16 of them lied. That's a fact. They met with surrogates of the Russian government to trade dirt for sanction relief. Fact. Trump SAYS THE SAME THING IS OKAY WHEN HE DOES IT! That's an uncontested fact.
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When it comes to suspicions about Trump and Russia, he sure wants the presumption of innocence. He takes it further. Trump and his associates' many lies about Russian contacts were more than enough probable cause for a probe. Never mind that our security made it the DUTY of the FBI to investigate. He insists the probe was criminal.
Yet, when it comes to the presumption of innocence of suspects in street crimes, Trump says cops should slam their heads on the roofs of cop cars when arresting them. Never mind that even the guilty have civil rights.
When it comes to press coverage, he CONSTANTLY uses the term, "fake news". He takes it further. He uses the Stalin term, "enemy of the people" to describe the American free press.
Yet, he lies CONSTANTLY.
When it comes to foreign governments offering information on his political opponents, he calls it oppo research.
Yet, when an American oppo research firm had information on him, he called it treason.
When someone criticizes him, he calls it an attack on America, and says critics should leave the country.
Yet, when he criticizes someone, no matter how nasty or unprovoked, he calls it a "counter punch".
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MSM critics, stop attacking the messenger! Yes, they use narratives. They do it to make sense of the raw facts for you. Everything isn't politics. They don't work for the DNC or the "deep state". They work for ratings to get sponsors, so they sensationalize to get your attention. That doesn't mean they're lying or deceiving. If they were, their competitors would call THEM out to take their ratings and sponsors. Competition is a cornerstone of capitalism. MSM want big, corporate sponsorship, so why would they be pushing far-left socialism? You "fake news" parrots haven't thought this through.
Think of it as fast food, but instead of burgers, they sell information. They have to offer a quality product faster than the other guys. CNN is the McDonalds of news. There's some pink slime, but it's mostly beef. It's not gourmet, but it does the job. If you don't want a lot of garnish, watch PBS, but you'll get the same FACTS that CNN reports.
FOX News can't pass the health inspection. It has no competitors. It labeled MSM "liberal" simply by standing to the right of the them, and pretending it isn't also mainstream media. FOX News isn't conservative. It's ALTERNATIVE media.
It's up to YOU to know the difference between FACT, OPINION, and ANALYSIS. The term, "fake news" is designed to blur those differences, and to make you think opinions are outright lies. Do you MSM critics who cry "BIAS!" even realize how biased YOU are?
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@InCogNito Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. NEITHER THE DOSSIER, NOR THE FISA WARRANT on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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One day soon, the headlines will read, "KUSHNER INDICTED", followed by a desperate Trump tweet storm, followed by Trump announcing, "Tomorrow at noon, I will resign the presidency", followed by a rant about the "fake media", "witch hunt", blah, blah... Don't go away mad, Don Don. Just go away.
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@1247.cccccc Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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In a bizarre interview with Tucker Carlson, Trump launched into a tale about liberal cities being overrun with filth, and how people are pissing in the streets and making the cops ill. He made a point to say it was worse in sanctuary cities, and said it started two years ago. He said he is looking into it very seriously, (But he's not looking into abhorrent conditions in border facilities). He said that it hurts our country because it looks bad to foreign dignitaries. As usual, he used fragmented sentences, endless tangents, and vagaries. What the hell?? HIS BASE SEES NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS?? It was his own words with a FOX News host, but, no doubt, his followers will say it's the media making him look bad! Time to look seriously at the 25th Amendment. He is the PRESIDENT, and he talks like that all the time! We are living in the bizarro world, folks.
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- What a first world problem - Trouble keeping out those who want to roof our houses and clean our motel rooms. It's because the US is a wealthy country next to a poor one. It's like Rumsfeld's term - "catastrophic success".
- In Israel, there's a MUCH SMALLER wall. They're beset on all sides by terrorists. We only have two borders, again, next to friendly countries. Geography has been good to the US.
- Currently, we have net negative immigration. More are going than coming, so good luck to Trump trying to prove we have a "national emergency". It's a busy border. It always has been, and always will be. People cross over in the morning, then cross BACK over at night. Is Trump going to SUBTRACT that lost commerce when he touts the "success" of his wall/slats/fence thing?
- Don't make Carlos Santana not want to play here anymore.
- If you don't hire them, they won't come. If Trump was serious about keeping "them" out, he would crack-down on the employers.
- Despite FOX News talking points, most illegals don't sneak in carrying cocaine, bombs, and trafficked children. Those are smuggled in boats and planes. El Chapo had his own submarine. FOX News is fear-mongering when they say Dems want open borders...I mean, open boarders...Trump has distorted the facts so much, I forget how it's really spelled. Do FACTS matter anymore?!?!
- DACA. Trump likes to say immigration should be based on merit. What the hell does he think DACA is? Oh, yeah, he doesn't read.
- Can Trump at least explain what this wall will be made of and how Mexico will pay for it? Go into a bank and try to get a loan based on, "Because I need it NOW. No, I don't really have a plan, but 'believe me'. I'll pay you back".
- We need comprehensive immigration reform. A path to citizenship, clear asylum policies, sensible border security measures, sensible drug policy, including legalized marijuana, and trade deals that include security measures.
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@Clone42 Trump dangled pardons for DHS staff who broke eminent domain laws. When caught, he said he was kidding.
He said he was being "sarcastic" when he asked Russia to dig up dirt on Clinton. Sarcasm. Right, as if he meant the opposite. As if he would just up and say, "Russia, definitely DON'T hack my opponent," while he knew Russia was trying to help him win. Right. And then, we found out that his top people were meeting with them to...(drumroll).., get dirt on Clinton. Then, he just happened to ask China and Ukraine for help, and, whatdya know, took the position that it's OKAY to take foreign election help.
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@andys3035 Fusion GPS is a legal oppo research firm that subcontracted Christopher Steele, who wrote the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Clinton. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS clients weren't told how it gathered information.
Clinton didn't collude. with Russia. Putin admits he wanted to help Trump, and he hated Clinton.
Fusion GPS co-founder testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released. Republicans refused to release it.
Steele didn't get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT. There was no quid pro quo. However, Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanction relief.
Steele never gave the dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible crimes, and gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
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@Clone42 In a nutshell, before Trump took offfice, Flynn was on a call with Sergey Kislyak. The FBI was monitoring the call, as is routine, because all Russian diplomats are suspected spies. Obama was about to impose sanctions on Russia (rightfully) because of their meddling. OF COURSE BIDEN BROUGHT UP THE LOGAN ACT. WHY WOULDN'T HE? Flynn violated the Logan Act by trying to ensure Kislyak that once Trump took office, he would drop those sanctions. (a pretty messed-up thing to do, by the way). That call was at the same time Flynn was also calling Mar-a-Lago, where Trump was, talking to Trump's secretary.
Flynn was confronted by the FBI, and lied about talking about sanctions. IT WAS RIGHT THERE in the FBI transcripts. He was caught dead to rights. That's why he agreed to cooperate with the coming investigation in exchange for pleading guilty, which he did. The investigation into Flynn was not closed. Far from it. It had just begun. And why did Trump resist firing Flynn? Shouldn't Trump have been FURIOUS with Flynn for going "behind his back"? Well, not if he DIDN'T go behind his back. This is common sense.
After Flynn cooperated for a while, and had a window into the prosecution's strategy, Flynn flipped back, using a joint defense agreement to supply the defense with information about the prosecution.
This is all shady on its face. If Trump was a Democrat, or he had been Obama or Hillary, you Trump cultists would take the exact OPPOSITE position, and you know it. You would be outraged. Look at all of the things the MAGA crowd insist are proof positive of Democrat wrongdoing that have no basis, but oh no, any mere investigation of obviously shady activity on their "side", and it's "treason", and "deep state" activity, right?
Your facts are completely twisted and wrong. I suggest you stop getting your information from FOX News, as they purposely MISINFORM you by conflating a bunch of demonized names and suggestions of left wing conspiracies without actually telling you a thing.
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MR Jensen
Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns.
The “genius” who hides his college grades.
The “businessman” who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 yrs.
The “playboy” who pays for $ex.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church.
The “philanthropist” who defrauds charities.
The “patriot” who dodged the draft.
The “innocent man” who refuses to testify.
The “President” who takes no responsibility.
The “tough, strong man“ who wears makeup and hairspray but never a mask.
The “deal maker” who has yet to close a deal.
(I'd add "The 'asset to the black community' who constantly says racially offensive things").
If America reelects this guy, it deserves the dystopian future that follows.
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. I mean, it’s no good. So I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.”
― The Donald @ Larry King Live, October 1999
“A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him and he said, ‘Where do I pay?’ And they said, ‘There’s no charge.’ Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean we could have a great system in this country.”
― The Donald @ The David Letterman Show, January 2015
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”
― The Donald @ interview with The Washington Post, January 2017
“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman. I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she's given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her.”
― The Donald @ interview with CNN, 2007
“I know her [Hillary Clinton] and she'd make a good president or good vice president.”
[speaking of the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries]
― The Donald @ "Trumped!", a syndicated radio feature, 2008
“I don’t want to pivot... If you start pivoting, you’re not being honest with people.”
― The Donald @ interview with Wisconsin television station WKBT, August 2016
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s, like, incredible.”
― The Donald @ campaign rally in Iowa, January 2016
“I love all people, rich or poor, but in those particular [i.e. cabinet] positions I just don’t want a poor person.”
― The Donald @ rally in Iowa, June 2017
“I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it’s literally going to cease to exist.”
― The Donald @ Playboy, March 1990
“The point is that you can’t be too greedy.”
― The Donald @ “The Art of the Deal”, 1987
“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
[speaking of having $ex and referring to women's geпitals as “potential landmines”.]
― The Donald @ interview on The Howard Stern Show, November 1997
“Vagiпa is expensive.”
― The Donald @ his second wedding, as retold on The Howard Stern Show, 1997
“Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
― The Donald @ Twitter, November 2013
“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.”
― The Donald @ “The Art of the Deal”, 1987
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A little exercise to test your own bias: Think of every time you've defended Donald Trump and every issue on which you've criticized his opposition - Russia, COVID 19, media coverage, false statements, foreign affairs...If you search Google or Youtube, what do you type into the box?
Now, on those same issues, replace his face with that of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Replace that R with a D. Do you find yourself rationalizing? I am confident that on 99% of those issues, you would take the OPPOSITE position.
If you doubt me, just wait. When a Democrat is in the White House again, you'll find yourself being hyper-critical of that Democrat for issues on which you previously excused Trump, or you'll be saying "what about?" about the "what about?" I guarantee it.
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"If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed". That's not true. If you watch, you are under-informed. If you confuse the NARRATIVE and EDITORIAL with the FACTS, you are misinformed. Sure, the media make mistakes, but mistakes aren't lies. I'd rather know half a story that's spun the wrong way than to know nothing. Yes, MSM is sensationalized. Yes, they use narratives to sell the story. They have to. I cringe whenever I hear "BREAKING NEWS!" about every little thing. Take it with a grain of salt. Extract the facts. Wikileaks is not news. Youtube hack videos are not news. They just talk about what MSM reports. Trump's Tweets are not news. Saying it gets him around the "fake" media is absurd. It gets him around due scrutiny. (with grammar errors no college educated man should ever make. FOX News isn't even news. Sean Hannity coordinates stories with Trump. And his followers say the "liberal" media is biased? FOX has no competition on TV. Competition is what keeps them honest. If CNN gets it wrong, ABC, NBC and PBS will get it right and get higher ratings. Free market Capitalists should know that. You MSM bashers are so much more biased than they are, and it's obvious.
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Do Republicans notice that they have power? For the first 2 years of Trump, they had the House, Senate, White House, and a conservative SCOTUS majority. They only lost the House, but pretend they're oppressed by liberal boogeymen - Socialists, media, the deep state, gun control, and BLM.
There's no socialist threat. There are only two socialists in Congress. Bernie LOST the primary to Biden, who is accused of being a capitalist, corporate shill. We pass laws bill by bill. Hyper capitalism is as problematic as hyper socialism. ALL governments are somewhat socialist. It's about balancing community and the individual, public and private sectors. Stop fearing a Marxist revolution. Venezuela isn't Cuba isn't the USSR, Canada, or France.
Which is it? Are the media "socialist liberals" or "corporate capitalists"?
People who think there's a leftist, deep state conspiracy don't know how things work.
Only 20% want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and nobody wants to repeal the 4th. If you think Dems want confiscation, remember Beto O'Rourke? Soon, you won't.
BLM has a messaging problem, but a just cause. We have a police brutality problem. Anti-racism isn't racist. Rioters appear at protests like flies at picnics. They're usually thugs who don't care about social justice or politics. The Black Panthers won't replace police. We had a black president, and many Republicans say he didn't do enough to empower minorities.
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It comes down to PROBABLE CAUSE and REASONABLE SUSPICION. The FBI had reasons to investigate Russian meddling, whether or not Trump was involved. Mueller had good reasons to investigate Trump. It made sense that the Trump campaign might have been colluding with Russia. It made NO sense that the DNC would have been colluding with Russia. There's no probable cause to look into the Bidens, much less to ask foreign countries to do so, ESPECIALLY when the subject is an American elder statesman, AND Trump's chief political rival.
The Clinton email thing has been adjudicated. The 2016 election is over, and it is a FACT that the Russians interfered in Trump's favor. The Biden non-issue has been looked into by TWO prosecutors in Ukraine, not to mention it was the COMPANY Hunter Biden worked for that was under suspicion, not Hunter Biden, and not his father.
On the other hand, 16 Trump associates lied about 140 Russian contacts during the election. Trump lied about pending deals in Moscow, in a country that was actively trying to get him elected. Trump's top people met with Russian government surrogates to trade illegally obtained information for sanction relief. Trump still refuses to admit Russia even interfered, and he's still doing all he can to lift sanctions imposed on them for that very interference. In 2016, Trump publicly asked Russia to interfere, and after all of the problems that caused, he is doing it AGAIN. This isn't a "deep state" conspiracy. Trump's wounds are self-inflicted, and he is BEGGING to be probed and impeached.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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a.m - Yeah, because Biden has never debated before. Are you nuts? We already know Trump's talking points and comebacks.
Lie about Biden's tax plan, border policy, spying on his campaign, Ukraine, his son, China, his stance on police, and falsely call him a communist.
Then, he'll paint a picture of "American carnage," where only liberals protest racism, and act like all protesters are rioting.
He'll tout that he cancelled some flights from China as saving millions of lives, neglecting to mention that he was praising China and calling COVID a Democrat hoax the same week. He'll neglect to mention that he has downplayed the virus the whole time while downplaying it...
He'll repeat everything he has been saying in his speeches.
But in a debate, Biden will be right there with the FACTS to correct him. Biden will eat his lunch.
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What is the benefit of faking high poll numbers? What's the strategy? Whether you think Hillary's high poll numbers in 2016 were fake or not, they HURT her chances. High poll numbers had folks not voting because they thought she couldn't lose. By the same token, LOW poll numbers help turnout. You gotta show up for the team when they need you.
In a horse race, where there's money involved, one might want to DEFLATE the odds so the payoff is bigger when the longshot wins.
Now, if it's a POPULARITY contest, that's different. False positives might make people just want to be on the winning side. That's a bad way to choose your leaders. Do you vote based on popularity? But voting is PRIVATE. You're not betting on a football game, and even in football, people tend to bet on the team they believe in. If you vote just to be on the winning side, please don't vote.
Now, say you're an independent polling company, or take polls for CNN. Those companies and news outlets COMPETE for ACCURACY. They don't work for the "deep state." They're not slaves of the DNC. They work for SPONSORS. They're slaves of MONEY.
In a cost/benefit analysis, it makes sense to be as accurate as possible than to fudge the numbers at the expense of being the OUTLIER, and being seen as untrustworthy. Untrusted news outlets get fewer viewers, and fewer SPONSORS. That means MONEY.
Speed and accuracy are what the media COMPETE for. It's why they're always going on about being "trusted" and being "first with breaking news." When people say, "You can't trust corporate media," and also say, "Media is with the Socialist Democrats," they obviously don't see that those two things contradict each other. Capitalism thrives on competition.
Maybe I'm missing something. So, please, tell me how a fake poll helps a candidate.
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Hey, MAGA World, pretend it was Biden who, while leaving office, took 15 boxes of documents from the National Archives while insisting the election was stolen, refusing to ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF 61 JUDGES, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, and inviting an armed mob to STORM THE US CAPITOL. "Let's have trial by combat!" said Trump's lawyer, to the mob on 1/6.
Pretend Biden also took those documents while under multiple investigations.
Would you be okay with that? If Barack Obama did that? Bill Clinton? Would you DEFEND that?
And speaking of your devil, what about Hillary's emails?? Trumpers have this blind eye for the massive, intentional mishandling of classified information by the Trump Administration.
You can't have it both ways. If you think she should be locked up, so should he and for longer.
You thought Hillary was reckless with information ten years ago. SHE WAS INVESTIGATED. She admitted doing it. It's over.
And Hunter Biden is also being investigated, so what more do you want? It seems you people never try to understand the process of things.
This is about Donald Trump. If ANY other actual US President did what he did, do you seriously think there wouldn't be an investigation? That one wouldn't be absolutely called for? What If it were Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan?
All of those things Trump did and said as President that "we just hate him" for - If Biden did or said them..?
What about Obama?
If Hillary had become President?
All you have are whataboutisms and accusations about the "deep state".
WHO are you talking about? You're saying the only way to explain it is this shadowy, evil left-wing network of political crooks who have invaded every agency including the military, the CIA, the FBI, and the National Archives.
All this "election stealing" on every level from Biden to the Chinese to regular Dem voters...any ACTUAL SUSPECTS? Other than your President harassing and defaming three female generations of volunteer poll workers in Georgia. I hope they sue Trump for every dime.
Anyone who cries about the "deep state" doesn't understand the basics of separation of powers or even the fundamentals of how the US government works.
How many more REPUBLICAN TRUMP WORLD INSIDERS have to all paint the same picture of him before you get it? They're ALL lying? They're all "out to get him" and "just don't like him"? They all wanted to put themselves through hell? Think.
Until you can say you would defend any other President acting this way, any arguments you make to defend Trump are simply tribal, mindlessly biased, in bad faith, and therefore moot.
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Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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- Roger Stone and partner, Jerome Corsi "predicted" the DNC email hacks with astounding accuracy. Before Clinton campaign mgr., John Podesta's email account was hacked, Stone emailed an associate, saying, "It will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel".
- 80% of the communication requests on a server in Trump Tower came from a Russian bank. (19% from Sec. of Education, Betsy DeVos, and her brother, former Blackwater chief, Eric Prince. The remaining 1% comprised all others).
- The Special Council's office has charged and jailed a suspected Russian spy, Maria Butina, in connection with money laundering through the NRA.
- The Trump Foundation charity has been dissolved. It is being investigated for what the New York AG says is a "shocking pattern of illegality". Donald Trump wrote a check, from the foundation's account, for $25k to then Florida AG, Pam Bondi, who then declined to move a lawsuit foward against Trump University. A donation from the charity was traced to a portrait of Trump hanging in a country club.
- Russian born gangster, felon, and Trump business partner, Felix Sater, is reputed to have been working to get Trump elected. He worked with Trump on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Trump said he didn't know Sater well, and "probably wouldn't recognize him if I saw him". Sater was at Trump's election victory party.
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There are only two possible reasons the Obama Administration would have spied on the Trump campaign. 1)- To prevent his election, or 2)- To smear him in case he got elected.
You can eliminate the first one. No information gathered by US intelligence was used during the campaign.
The ONLY possibility would have been to smear Trump in case he won. That WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SENSE. Why would Clinton, with a 94% chance of winning, bother to prepare for that 6% chance?
For a 6% chance, would Obama, FBI, and CIA officials in non-political agencies - most of whom were Republicans - risk their careers and their freedom? Would they engage in a MASSIVE conspiracy involving dozens of people across multiple agencies, right under the noses of Republicans among them, just to make Trump look bad?
If the FBI was so desperate to ensure a Clinton victory, why did Comey re-open her email case and HURT her chances? Why DIDN'T he announce that there was a probe into Trump's possible ties to Russia? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
The FBI was trying to safeguard the election from Russian attack. In the process, they uncovered many Trump campaign ties to the Russian government, WHICH THEY LIED ABOUT.
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@ericmahon8507 Fusion GPS is a legal, American opposition research firm. Actually, it's one person, Glen Simpson, who subcontracted Christopher Steele to do the research he used for the dossier.
Fusion was first hired by REPUBLICANS to research Trump. After the primary, Fusion was hired by a group working on behalf of the DNC, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with it. Neither she, nor the DNC colluded with Russia. Fusion GPS had a rule - Its clients couldn't ask, and wouldn't be told how it gathered information.
It's nonsense to say Clinton or the DNC colluded with Russia because PUTIN ADMITS HE WANTED TO HELP TRUMP, and he hated Clinton.
If there was any impropriety regarding the dossier, it was done by Glen Simpson, (who IS Fusion GPS). He testified to the REPUBLICAN LED House Intel Committee. He stands by his testimony and wanted it released, but the REPUBLICANS refused to release it.
Steele did not get information from the Russian GOVERNMENT, and there was no quid pro quo. Don Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with surrogates of the Russian GOVERNMENT to discuss a quid pro quo - dirt on Clinton in return for sanction relief.
Steele never gave his dossier to the Clinton campaign. He saw possible criminal activity, and he gave it to the FBI. Neither the dossier, nor the FISA warrant on Carter Page started the Russia probe. It had already begun as a result of George Papadopoulos talking to an Australian intelligence officer.
Any questions?
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Curly, Moe, Larry, Jack, Janet, Chrissy, Terry, Cindy, Shemp, Mr. Roper, The Ropers, Three's Company, Two's a Crowd, The Three Stooges...person, man, woman, Instagram, Zenith...
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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You are aware there is a difference between someone AT CNN lying and someone lying ON CNN, right? BTW, don't get all in a tizzy about Lanny Davis. Dimes to donuts, you'll find out he didn't lie, but walked-back his statement because he spoke too soon and almost messed-up his clients impending plea/immunity deal. Like ALWAYS, it will turn out that the "liberal" media got it right, their un-named, (not anonymous) sources are real and accurate, and FOX will be on to promoting Trump's next LIE and conspiracy theory, because he works with Hannity and Murdoch. It's a feedback loop. What would you people have said if Obama was consulting with Anderson Cooper every day? You're such hypocrites, and you're clueless about how journalism even works.
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If it was up to me, (I think this is basically what the Dems want), this is what I would want to open the government back up:
- A few billion for border security, PART of which would be earmarked for PHYSICAL BARRIERS, and the rest for all else related to border security. If Trump doesn't have the will or attention span to read, calculate, or hire people who can, he shouldn't be POTUS.
- No "down payment" on a huge project costing tens of billions. Take it year by year. Barriers aren't skyscrapers. You can build them piece by piece without leaving anyone holding the bag, and the pieces are still effective. (This won't be some failed building project where, for example, half a casino is worth nothing).
- An end to measures taken, since Trump took office, to block asylum seekers from seeking asylum. If he wants to call this a "humanitarian crisis", he can't be selective about what is considered humanitarian.
- REAL protection for DACA recipients. I've got no problem with ending DACA, but honor the deal for those already in it. Don't keep them guessing or use them as pawns. DACA is merit-based. Amnesties work. Those opposed to all forms of amnesty should get over it. Their situations are not their fault. (Even adults who cross illegally mostly do so to work for people who ILLEGALLY hire them. Share the blame).
- Trump would have to give assurances that he'll work in GOOD FAITH to approach the immigration issue free of what is generally seen as xenophobic rhetoric and fear mongering. Good faith in getting accurate cost estimates, and being honest and transparent with the public about them.
Reopen the government. "Release the hostages". Then, the work BEGINS. We need comprehensive immigration reform. (GW Bush, a Texan, spoke better Spanish than English, and he couldn't do it). It should include an EFFICIENT path to citizenship, reform of drug laws - including demand side, lots of research, state-by-state federal fund allotment, technology, BARRIERS WHERE PRACTICAL, mutually beneficial US/Mexican economic policies...It's a huge thing. Unfortunately, Trump is a small, petty man with a big ego.
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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What is the benefit of faking high poll numbers? What's the strategy? Whether you think Hillary's high poll numbers in 2016 were fake or not, they HURT her chances. High poll numbers had folks not voting because they thought she couldn't lose. By the same token, LOW poll numbers help turnout. You gotta show up for the team when they need you.
In a horse race, where there's money involved, one might want to DEFLATE the odds so the payoff is bigger when the longshot wins.
Now, if it's a POPULARITY contest, that's different. False positives might make people just want to be on the winning side. That's a bad way to choose your leaders. Do you vote based on popularity? But voting is PRIVATE. You're not betting on a football game, and even in football, people tend to bet on the team they believe in. If you vote just to be on the winning side, please don't vote.
Now, say you're an independent polling company, or take polls for CNN. Those companies and news outlets COMPETE for ACCURACY. They don't work for the "deep state." They're not slaves of the DNC. They work for SPONSORS. They're slaves of MONEY.
In a cost/benefit analysis, it makes sense to be as accurate as possible rather than fudge numbers at the expense of being the OUTLIER, and being seen as untrustworthy. Untrusted news outlets get fewer viewers, and fewer SPONSORS. That means less MONEY.
Speed and accuracy are what the media COMPETE for. It's why they're always going on about being "trusted" and being "first with breaking news." When people say, "You can't trust corporate media," and also say, "Media is with the Socialist Democrats," they obviously don't see that those two things contradict each other. Capitalism thrives on competition.
Maybe I'm missing something. So, tell me - How a fake poll helps a candidate?
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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Dems have good ideas, but suck at messaging. Republicans have horrible ideas, but they're great at messaging.
RESTRUCTURING police departments is good. Chanting "DEFUND" is stupid. Dems say, "But 'defund' really means restructure." Then call it RESTRUCTURE.
"Black lives matter really means all lives matter." Then why not call it ALL LIVES MATTER? Well now, they say THAT is a racist trope. Did they really think the right would NOT respond with, "What about white lives and blue lives? See. BLM members are the REAL racists!"
Arnold Swarzenegger said that when you say "climate change", people tune out, but call it "pollution", and people listen. The term, "climate change" has become a weapon in a culture war.
You can't demand an immediate end to racism and expect it to go away. You CAN demand an immediate end to police brutality. That should be the focus.
Racism, brutality and pollution shouldn't even be political issues. They're Republican wedge issues. Culture wars divide. It's why they put up with Trump's lies, ineptitude, corruption, and childishness. It helps them politically.
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There is NO evidence of that!
Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years. He's setting up his eventual excuses and conspiracy theories.
He's offered no solutions to "problems" with mail-in voting. He's obviously creating problems with the post office. He lied and said he didn't meet with the Postmaster General and doesn't know what he's doing - cutting overtime, removing mail sorting machines, and removing mailboxes.
Trump is sending out his own absentee ballot requests to North Carolinians, complete with his picture and disparaging remarks about Dems. It's an obvious attempt to suppress votes. Anyone who returns one of those requests is a fool. Get the official state request.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. 50% of voters won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's doing just that.
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If you watch a FOX News report, like this one, you notice how they project a lot of tone, but don't really offer any information. It's like they have a list of names they've demonized, and they just throw them out there as they conflate multiple stories.
Here, they call it a "bombshell" that Steele's sub-source wasn't too confident about his information, and wasn't "substantiated". Well, we already knew that. Steele gave the infirmation to the FBI so that THEY could see if it was substantial. That was the point. But FOX News practically implies that there was some crime.
Then, the other "bombshell" is that a NY Times article had nine errors in it, but never named one of them. Even if it did, so what? The NY Times isn't part of the government, but FOX News has its viewers brainwashed into thinking the media are always working for the Democrats, lime it's an arm of the DNC. By the way, the DNC, just like the RNC, is nothing. They are poorly funded groups of mid-level politicians who brainstorm election stuff - usually poorly - and do clerical work. FOX News wants people to believe they have more power than God.
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What is the benefit of faking high poll numbers? What's the strategy? Whether you think Hillary's high poll numbers in 2016 were fake or not, they HURT her chances. High poll numbers had folks not voting because they thought she couldn't lose. By the same token, LOW poll numbers help turnout. You gotta show up for the team when they need you.
In a horse race, where there's money involved, one might want to DEFLATE the odds so the payoff is bigger when the longshot wins.
Now, if it's a POPULARITY contest, that's different. False positives might make people just want to be on the winning side. That's a bad way to choose your leaders. Do you vote based on popularity? But voting is PRIVATE. You're not betting on a football game, and even in football, people tend to bet on the team they believe in. If you vote just to be on the winning side, please don't vote.
Now, say you're an independent polling company, or take polls for CNN. Those companies and news outlets COMPETE for ACCURACY. They don't work for the "deep state." They're not slaves of the DNC. They work for SPONSORS. They're slaves of MONEY.
In a cost/benefit analysis, it makes sense to be as accurate as possible than to fudge the numbers at the expense of being the OUTLIER, and being seen as untrustworthy. Untrusted news outlets get fewer viewers, and fewer SPONSORS. That means MONEY.
Speed and accuracy are what the media COMPETE for. It's why they're always going on about being "trusted" and being "first with breaking news." When people say, "You can't trust corporate media," and also say, "Media is with the Socialist Democrats," they obviously don't see that those two things contradict each other. Capitalism thrives on competition.
Maybe I'm missing something. So, please, tell me how a fake poll helps a candidate.
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tuberobotto - So? What does that have to do with anything I said? I was talking about him questioning Obama's income as if he Obama did something nefarious, when it's standard for a former president. By the way, Trump lies about his net worth, and he won't show his tax returns. He donates his salary to charity, yes, but it costs the treasury MORE because they pay it, then he gets the tax write-off. It's good that it goes to charity, but his charity was shut down for a "shocking pattern of illegality". Think about that. The PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES committed charity fraud, and once used his sham charity's funds to "donate" to a Florida AG who made a lawsuit of his sham university go away. Then, she got a cushy federal job. Wake up. He is a CROOK. If Obama had that kind of record, what would you think?
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Trump said the election could be tied up in litigation for years - a strategy he's used all his life.
He hasn't suggested any solutions to the "problems" with mail-in voting. It's absurd to want school open now, but say it's too unsafe to vote in November.
He asked Russia, China, and Ukraine to help him win, even by investigating Americans. He said taking foreign government help is okay. (It's illegal). He says it's "oppo research" (when HE does it. When opponents do legal oppo research on him, he calls it treason).
It's likely Russia will attack the election. Obama prepared for a cyber attack on election day. I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't, and Putin knows it.
In 2012, Trump said Obama would start a war with Iran to get re-elected. Apparently, Trump thinks that could work. It wouldn't surprise me if he did that.
Turnout favors Democrats. Trump knows that. 50% of voters say they wouldn't vote for him under ANY circumstances. He's never reached across the aisle, and never had a day with over 50% approval. He considers everyone who didn't vote for him an enemy. He HAS to cheat to win, and he's given every reason to think he will.
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Peter runs a gang and hates former Detective Kline because Kline was always trying to bust him. Then Kline decides to run for mayor against a guy named Travis.
Peter's gang breaks into Kline's house, steals his computer, and gets caught. On Kline's computer are pics of him kissing a woman who isn't his wife. On Peter's phone are texts with 16 of Travis' campaign staff. Cops question Travis, who insists neither he, nor any of his staff have ever texted with Peter. Meanwhile, the pictures go viral online. Travis wins the election.
Cops confront Travis' staff with the evidence. They first deny knowing Peter, but then admit to knowing him and discussing how to knock Kline out of the running. One staffer not only texted with Peter, but also with the burglars.
Would the cops have reason to suspect Travis? To investigate him?
Travis not only still insists that his staff are innocent of crimes, but that their ethics were acceptable, and that maybe Peter's gang didn't even commit the burglary. He suggests maybe Kline put those self-incriminating pictures online himself.
Travis is investigated, but not charged. Does that make the cops criminals? In the next election, do you trust Travis, who insists he is the real victim? Who insists that kind of behavior is not only legal, but ethical - as long as it helps HIM?
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@dvvaughn564 The Russians HATED Obama, and especially Hillary. They wanted Trump to win. But sure, they helped Obama. Putin figured that Obama would call him after he hacked our election, and say, "THANKS, buddy...No, I don't care that you hacked us and my Secretary of State, and spread dirt about her that might have cost her the election. But let me expell your diplomats anyway, because I think Mike Flynn might tell your Ambassador that he'll lift those sanctions." And Putin said, "Sure, and I don't mind if you smear my ambassador in the process." ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB??
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When media bashers say "The media lie," they can almost never name a specific lie. When outlets report a fact, 99% of the time, it is accurate. It would be a little closer to the truth to say the media DECEIVE. That's far from deliberately mis-stating facts.
Usually when I ask a media basher to name some lies the media have told, I get, "Trump colluded with Russia, Nick Sandmann, and Jussie Smollett." Those replies are nonsense. First, Trump DID collude with Russia. Collusion means COOPERATION, which he clearly did. It's not a legal term. Collusion does not mean "found guilty of criminal conspiracy." But set that point aside.
The facts made Trump look guilty. When it was reported that three of Trump's top people met with surrogates of the Russian government to trade dirt for favors, that was a FACT. No reporter said, "Don Jr took a flash drive from a Russian agent." That would be a lie. The facts looked bad, so naturally the opinions in editorials were negative.
Let's say media report that a man's wife is missing and her husband had blood in his car, gunshot residue on his hands, and lied to police. Editorials about domestic violence would cast the husband in a negative light, and nobody would say the media were lying.
Jussie Smollett lied to police, and media simply reported the facts. The suggestion that somehow the media know the truth about things nobody else knows is absurd. Believing that they deceive us every time a story makes a liberal look bad is ridiculous, especially when the liberal isn't even a politician, and the story has nothing to do with politics.
Nick Sandmann is the exception that proves the rule. The media didn't lie. They mis-characterized. It was a mistake, and they paid for it. If deception was standard practice, news outlets would have been sued out of existence long ago. Also, there is no objective truth in that story. It's based on what was going on in Sandmann's head, and what his intentions were.
There are many news outlets, many stories, and many reports every day. Media bashers love to say "the media" as if it's one homogeneous, connected group. So, even when a reporter makes a mistake or even lies, to paint the entire industry as liars is as absurd as saying "Starbucks cheats you" because a barista once over-charged you for a scone. The same type of conservative who says, "It's just a bad apple" when a trigger-happy cop shoots an unarmed person will call the entire media a group of serial liars when a single reporter makes a mistake.
There is a LOT I don't like about news media, and I don't believe everything I hear. But I assume simple facts are accurate unless there's real reason to believe otherwise. On rare occasions when the facts they report are inaccurate, I first assume they made a mistake before I start conjuring up wild conspiracy theories.
People should simply recognize the difference between FACT and OPINION. "16 Trump associates lied about their contacts with Russia" is a FACT. "All of their lying makes them look like they're hiding something" is an OPINION, but it's also a reasonable opinion to have.
News outlets compete with each other, often by way of sensationalism. They aim to get the facts right because if ABC gets it wrong, CBS will get it right. Sponsors are their masters, not the DNC. (That idea is laughable. Media have WAY more money and power than the DNC, which is made up of mid-level politicians who can't get elected to office). For the same reason, media don't block stories about dirty politicians just because they're Democrats. They're not the sole gatekeepers of information. Notice that the "liberal" media promptly reported on the Hunter Biden investigation. It's a sensational story. They work for sponsors. It makes no sense to limit themselves to half of the market.
It's ironic that the biggest media bashers nowadays are fervent Trump supporters who complain about bias. Trump coordinates with FOX News, and he habitually lies. Those people are hypocrites at best, but usually it's flat-out projection. Hypocrisy is accusing others of what you also do. Projection is accusing the innocent of what you do. It's notable that during Trump's first month in office, he actually told the press corp, "If you're going to hold us to getting every little thing right, I'm just going to stop having these press briefings." Yes, he actually said that.
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