Comments by "Jackie Wu" (@jwu1950) on "TED"
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aspiknf Stephen Hawking is FOS. He doesn't know science when he started taking about the law of evolution. There is no such law because there is no such observation. He has been going from a believer of God to a disbeliever of God. He doesn't know what he is talking about. He is now removed from the chair which Newton used to sit because his pears have finally figured out he is FOS and has no contribution to science at all.
There. Copied from your first website, "You don't promote a theory to a law by proving it. A theory never becomes a law."
Copied from your second website, "Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact?
It is both." Right there it is nonsense. Facts in science are unexplained observations. Theory in science explains the cause and effect of facts. Evolution is neither a fact nor a single scientific theory but a set , or collection, of scientific theories applied to a variety of casual questions. A collection of scientific theories is not a theory. It is a collection, or in other words, a story, like a godless fairy tales.
Copied from your third website, "Richard Dawkins corrects what he sees as the specious use of the term "theory" and argues that evolution is indeed as close to a ‘fact’ as anything we’ll ever know." How stupid can this hate mongering idiot get ? science start with facts, which are unexplained observations, progress into hypothesis outlining the proposed cause and effect explanation of these observations. When tested by the scientific method and verified as accurate, hypothesis is accepted as scientific theory which is the highest level of logical proof in scientific terms. Facts are sometimes referred to as laws because there are overwhelming evidence of these observed facts, for example there is the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, etc. But the fact remains that laws, like facts, are unexplained observations. For example, Newton discovered the law of gravity but he could not explain gravity which caused the gravitational force. 300 years later today, still no one knows what gravity is. Einstein tried to explain it with space/time curvature but his theory does not work on a quantum level. Currently scientists are trying to find gravitons, a subatomic particle that may explain gravity but so far they have come out empty handed. So no one can tell if objects falling to the ground is pushed to the ground, sucked to the ground, or carried to the ground by some subatomic particles. No scientific theory will go backwards and become a fact. Evolution is not a scientific theory because it has never been tested by the scientific method and verified as accurate. In fact, Darwin's evolution is a fairy tale of a faith in Nature. Unless by Nature we mean God, Natural Selection does not exist. There is no scientific experiment that can be designed to test God, or Nature because these are metaphysical concepts and not physical objects. All scientific theories are in essence metaphysical, but science cannot explain what is metaphysical. For example, logic and mathematics can be used to prove scientific theories, but no scientific evidence or theory can be used to prove logic and mathematics because they are metaphysical, not physical.
Now that I have refuted all three sites you quoted, can you please check things out and use your critical thinking rather than just regurgitating the garbage they stuffed your head with in school and through the media ?
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aspiknf I hope I don't have to repeat everything I've said. You insist, "if you read the later lines of the first site you'd see that evolution is a scientific theory, not a lamen theory." What part of Evolutionary biologist Kirk J. Fitzhugh's explanation that evolution is neither a fact nor a single scientific theory that you don't understand ? Evolution is at best a hypothesis because it has never been tested by the scientific method. But it can't even be a scientific hypothesis because it is based on the faith that Nature is God, otherwise how can anyone assume Nature can act, choose, and select when there is zero evidence that the inanimate natural environment has any such intelligence ?
You said, "A scientific theory is a fact that comes from mountains of evidence and correct correlations" Not ! What part of "Theories are concepts stating cause–effect relations" you don't understand ? And what part of "laws, like facts, are unexplained observations." you don't understand ?
You said, "You mention Newton's law of Gravity and that's a scientific theory as well as a fact, just like Evolution." What is it that you don't understand ? In science, facts and laws cannot be scientific theories, and scientific theories cannot go backwards and become facts or laws because facts and laws do not carry any cause and effect explanation. Facts and laws are unexplained observations. No one has yet been able to explain Gravity, not Newton, not Einstein, and definitely not Hawking.
Thanks for saying I have a beautiful name. I hope you are a chick in medical school. I dig so totally. If you want to know a scientific theory of evolution, I'll give you one. Instead of Darwin's E/NS, Evolution by the process of Natural Selection, which is a faith in Nature or God, Jackie Wu's E/IALO, Evolution by the process of Intelligent Adaptation of Living Organisms is a scientific theory which stops at "intelligence in living organism" which can be scientifically tested and God is not assumed.
You mentioned there are mountains of evidence for evolution. But you must realise that these evidence are for "intelligence in living organisms", not "natural selection". There is zero, repeat zero evidence for "natural selection" It is after all living organisms that has undergone any evolution. They do so as a normal course of the intelligence designed in each and every living organism enabling them to act choose, and select by means of conquering, yielding, altering, changing, or otherwise manipulating the animate natural environment as they survive and reproduce. The inanimate "Nature" never evolve or reproduce, or injected into the living organisms it "selected" to "be evolved"
I think I can help you figure out some of your dilemma about God since you are open minded enough to recognise a first cause. God means different thing to different people at different time, these are all parts of the One and the same God. God has infinite parts. God cannot be God if God is not infinite. Also God cannot be God if God is merely physical. God can only be metaphysical. And our physical reality is only a very, very tiny subset of the infinitely larger metaphysical realty where God reigns. The singularity is still physical, only condensed, so it cannot be God. It is an effect of God the first cause, just like physical mass or gravitational force is the effect of the metaphysical concept we called gravity. Gravity itself, like life or God, cannot be observed for these are non physical.
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Luca Martinoli Hard evidence for God is all around us : the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees, the fish in the seas, the far galaxies, the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, everything comprehensible and all that is incomprehensible to you and to me.
Mutation does not simply appears. Rocks don't suddenly appear to have mutated. Mutation only occur with living organisms because each and every living organism has intelligence designed into it to enable it to survive and to reproduce. What is needed for mutation to occur was already in the living organism, the inanimate natural environment did not add or inject anything into the living organism which undergone mutation. Mutation is part of the design, just as survival and reproduction are parts of the design.
Darwin's evolution by the process of natural selection did tried to claim the origin of life but was refuted as nonsense. The original of species should also be refuted for lack of evidence and lack of logic. Evolution is entirely based on random chance and accidents, claiming minute changes over long period of time amount to speciation. There is zero evidence that random chance and accidents exist in real life. The law of cause and effect prohibits the existence of random chance and accidents. Everything that exist is caused to exist. This is the law. Time has been observed to reduce complexity and order into simplicity and chaos and never the other way around. Time therefor works against evolution. The more time is involved, the more unlikely is evolution. Evolution is a mathematical impossibility.
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AWZ SmartPhone Sorry, I do not believe in anything "Holy", and I do not believe in any prophecies. The reason is I believe no one know the Will of God, not even Jesus, Logic tells me God cannot be God if God needs some human to do God's bidding, and to prophecies is to undermine, marginalize, and misrepresent God. Jesus never prophecies, he claimed he is the way, the truth, and the life, and he warned us of false prophets. Muhammad, I believe, is a politician like Moses. Politicians don't speak the truth, they tell stories to push their political agendas.
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AWZ SmartPhone Looks like I have to repeat myself to you :
1) Jesus never prophecies, he claimed he is the way, the truth, and the life, and he warned us of false prophets. Jesus is not a prophet. Since you showed disrespect of Jesus by calling him a prophet, I have no choice but to point out the facts that Moses, Ibrahim, David, Noah, and Mohammad are all false prophets. Like Hitler and George Bush, these are politicians, period.
2) Logic tells me God cannot be God if God needs some human to do God's bidding, and to prophecies is to undermine, marginalize, and misrepresent God. No one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus. Anyone who self proclaimed to be a massager for God is a liar. This is logic.
3) I do not believe in anything "Holy". It is meaningless to say, "Anything said by God is holy, anyone sent by God is holy. ........ books (Torah, Bible, and Qur'an) are holy", because these books are not the word of God but of humans. God communicates with us everyday day, every moment, every instances, every event, and through everything, not by words alone.
You said, "Turning a deaf ear to the logical claims of a true religion is not less than accepting a nonsense Darwinism theory. All religions are "true religion", but not the truth; and Darwinism is just a fairy tale. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus is a man, not a religion, not God, not the only Son of God, not Christ, not the Messiah, and not a prophet. Jesus never claimed what he is not. Jesus was a man who died 2000 years ago, crucified by his own people for not believing in him, but his spirit is alive today in his teachings which is available in every corner of the world to anyone who is interested in love, peace, and everlasting life.
You said, "You should have a very strong reason to reject logic and/or truth." I have no reason to reject logic and/or truth, and I have no intention whatsoever to reject logic and/or truth. Not like some people, I also have no intention to invent, or to follow false logic and/or untruth.
You said, ".... it's sad to see you deprived of knowing the truth about our creation, God and prophets." No one knows the truth, the truth about our creation, or God because these are not knowable to humans. We humans can only choose to believe or not to believe based on evidence and logical proofs. As for prophets, I believe they are all false because I believe no one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus.
You said, "I can pray to the true God/Allah for your guidance." Thanks but no thanks, I can talk to God myself, and I do, all the time. When I pray, I pray the way Jesus taught us how to pray, the Lord's Prayer :
Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name.Your kingdom come,your will be done,on earth, as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread,and forgive us our debts,as we also have forgiven our debtors.And lead us not into temptation,but deliver us from evil.
You mentioned, "...../reason of human creation", and you'd said, ".... it doesn't make logic the creator of the entire universe created humans (super intelligent creatures compared to other living things) uselessly without any purpose". I believe no one knows the reason of human creation because logic tells me that God, or the Will of God, is unknowable to humans. We humans don't know what is useless or not useless to God, and why, but some people like to make things up and pretend that they do somehow know.
I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, and I follow the teachings of Jesus to live an everlasting life of love and of peace. May the love and the peace of Jesus be with you.
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AWZ SmartPhone "Bravo man. You're speaking logic and truth ...." that's how you started your comment with your first address to me. Now, "Reading piles of illogical statements made by you,..." is how you would start your comment addressed to me ? Everything I said is based on truth and verifiable fact. You have not been able to name one thing I said that is illogical, never mind a pile. You just wanted me to agree with your prophet and your religion which I replied politely and said, "Sorry, I do not believe in anything "Holy", and I do not believe in any prophecies", and gave my reasons. You disregarded my reasons for not agreeing with you and started to disrespectfully called Jesus a prophet after I specifically told you that Jesus never prophecies because to prophecies is to undermine, marginalize, and misrepresent God. I explained to you how logically God is unknowable to humans, but you keep pressing the lies and untruth you believed in on me, without considering you can believe whatever you want to believe but you have no right to say those who disagree with you are illogical without giving any evidence or explanation.
You said, "You think you've found the ultimate solution to your problems." I never made such a statement and in fact I never said I had any problem. May be you have problems, but not me.
You said, " So good luck and enjoy." I don't believe in luck. May be you do. It is illogical and irrational to believe in luck. The God given law of cause and effect does not permit random chance, luck, and accidents to exist. Everything that exist is caused to exist. We call the first cause God, not Luck. Only superstitious idol worshippers believe in luck.
You said, "You believe in not to believe in anything." That's another lie of yours. I never said such a thing. I said I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus. I don't believe in prophecies, prophets, "Holy" scripture, or any misrepresentation of God and the Will of God.
You are a very ungrateful person. After I wished you the love and the peace of Jesus a couple of times, you repay me with insult, "Your belief in Jesus is a drama as you don't respect his teachings and don't exactly know his message." You have given zero proof of that, and so you are just being pretentious, obnoxious, and condescending. You pretend you alone know "exactly" the message of Jesus, and your knowledge is above that of anyone who does not agree with you. Who do you think you are ? The authority for God ?
You asked, "If Jesus was not a messenger than what that compels you to believe in him at least?" As with any of my beliefs, logic and reason. I told you that already last time : the spirit of Jesus is alive today in his teachings. What about you ? What compels you to believe in prophecies and to believe in Muhammad being the last prophet sent by God ?
May the love and the peace of Jesus be with you.
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AWZ SmartPhone Jesus was a man who died 2000 years ago, crucified by his own Jewish people who did not believe in him. Jesus is not Christ the Messiah, not God, not the only Son of God, not a politician, not a messenger, and not a prophet. You can say Jesus is a spirit alive in his teachings, like the spirits of Socrates, Buddha, and Confucius are alive in their teachings. Jesus claimed he is the way, the truth, and the life. He never claimed what he is not. Jesus warned us of false prophets because to prophecies is to undermine, marginalise, and misrepresent God. All prophets are fake because no one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus. It is blasphemy to speak of prophecies.
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Desdenova262 Certainly. God means different thing to different people at different time, these are all parts of the One and the same God. God has infinite parts.
Evidence for God : the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees, the fish in the seas, the far galaxies, the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, everything comprehensible and all that is incomprehensible to you and me.
Logical proof for God : the law of cause and effect points to a first cause we called God.
Evidence that God means different thing to different people : Greek gods, Jewish God, Hindu gods, atheists' gods, ... are all different parts of the One and the same God. Logical proof : God cannot be God if God is not infinite and therefore has infinite parts.
Evidence that God means different thing to a person at different time : your God when you were 8, 18, and now are probably all different, true ? Logical proof : God cannot be God if God is knowable as a concrete object.
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Desdenova262 People kill people since the beginning of history. No one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus.
Evolution does not explain the origin of life. And evolution is just a godless fairy tales. It is neither a fact nor a single scientific theory.
Your asked, " First cause could be any number of things couldn't it?" It could. We don't know. We just know the first cause exist. God is not knowable like infinity is not knowable. We can only know bits and pieces of a small number of parts of God, and of infinity.
You asked, "If god is infinite why can't the universe be so?" Why not ? There is probably infinite number of infinite universes in the infinite God. But we don't get to know it, at least not yet.
I haven't mentioned ID. But if you want to talk about it, we can. Each and every living organism has intelligence designed into it to enables it to survive and to reproduce. That is a fact. The logical proof that the intelligence in living organisms is designed is the fact that all matters of intelligence we can observe are designed, like computers and space stations are designed by human with human intelligence.
You said, "a god that is way more complicated must have been designed" That's a possibility. But we don't know because we don't get to examine our intelligent designer.
You said, "Evolution solves this compounded problem." The truth is evolution solves nothing and explains nothing. It is just a faith based on Natural Selection. Unless by Nature we mean God, Nature has no intelligence to enable Nature to act, choose, and select.
You said, "things start out simple and over time become more complex." The truth is time works against Darwin, not for him. All our observations confirmed things change from order and complexity into chaos and simplicity over time, and not the other way round. Further more, chance and necessity does not exist, the law of cause and effect dictates that everything is caused and there can be no accident. The space capsule carrying Armstrong landed on the moon by design, not by chance, It could not have landed on the moon, mars or Jupiter by accident.
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Ben Dover So you believe gravity exist. Do you know that today, that is 300+ years after Newton discovered the law of gravity, no one knows what gravity is ? We can observe the effects of gravity just like we can observe the effect of God. But we cannot observe gravity itself just like we cannot observe God. We don't know what is gravity but we believe in gravity because we can observe and measure the effects of gravity. Similarly we don't know what is God but we believe in God because we can observe and measure the effects of God. So if you believe in gravity you should have no problem believing in God.
Metaphysics is not science. It is the foundation of science. All scientific theories are in essence metaphysical. I told you that already. I'll quote a source and I'll give you an example so you may understand it easier. Per Wiki, "Much recent work has been devoted to analyzing the role of metaphysics in scientific theorizing. Alexandre Koyré led this movement, declaring in his book Metaphysics and Measurement, "It is not by following experiment, but by outstripping experiment, that the scientific mind makes progress."[33] Imre Lakatos maintained that all scientific theories have a metaphysical "hard core" essential for the generation of hypotheses and theoretical assumptions.[34] Thus, according to Lakatos, "scientific changes are connected with vast cataclysmic metaphysical revolutions."
For example E=MCC, mass, equal, speed of light, square, are all metaphysical concepts, none of these is physical matter, none of these can be observed. Only their effects can be observed. They are things thought to exist but cannot be seen. Definition of metaphysical, per Webster,
metaphysical
adjective meta·phys·i·cal \-ˈfi-zi-kəl\
: of, relating to, or based on metaphysics
: of or relating to things that are thought to exist but that cannot be seen.
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Ben Dover No one knows what is gravity. When a pencil falls from your hand to the floor, no one knows if it was pushed to the floor, sucked to the floor, or carried to the floor by some god particles called gravitons. Learn this, pencils fall from your hand to the floor is the effect caused by gravity.
All around us are the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees, the fish in the seas, the far galaxies, the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, everything comprehensible and all that is incomprehensible to you and me. Learn this, these are all effects caused by God the first cause.
The evidence for metaphysical things like gravity is the observable effects like pencils falling from your hand to the floor. The proof for gravity is the logical deduction that these effects are caused by gravity.
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Puff,TheMagic Yes, militant atheists like Dawkins, Krauss, Harris, and Bitchens are white supremacists. They are all white, they believe in evolution which is a white supremacy fairy tale, they spread hates of Muslims who are mostly non white,
The overwhelming evidence for God includes the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees, the fish in the seas, the far galaxies, the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, everything comprehensible and all that is incomprehensible to you and to me. One of the logical proof for God is the law of cause and effect which logically point to a first cause. we call the first cause God.
Atheists are irrational, illogical, and delusional because they believe that there is no God with zero evidence and zero logical proof, against the overwhelming evidence and logical proofs for God.
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Puff,TheMagic
1) I've given you the evidence these militant atheists are white supremacists. I'll re[peat them here : They are all white, they believe in evolution which is a white supremacy fairy tale, they spread hates of Muslims who are mostly non white,
2) Science cannot and does not address the question of God. God is metaphysical. Metaphysics explain science. Science cannot and does not explain the metaphysical reality. All scientific theories are in essence metaphysical. If you believe in gravity and life you should have no problem believing in God.
3) God means different thing to different people at different time, these are all parts of the One and the same God. God has infinite parts. God is eternal, does not need a creator or designer. There is a lot about the metaphysical reality that is unknowable to humans. We can observe only a very tiny, tiny part of the effects of the metaphysical reality that we believe is our physical universe, there is infinitely more effects that is not observable by humans. For example todays scientists know nothing of the dark matters and dark energy which composed of roughly 96% of our physical universe, and they only scratched the surface of the remaining 4%. See how irrational and illogical you are to even suggest that science has all the answers ?
4) You can read these hate books and follow these hate mongers, that's up to you. To suggest that there is no God is a delusion, and a delusional person says God is a delusion. Something cannot come from nothing, and to suggest something come from nothing is another delusion. No valid evidence is presented in these hate books to suggest that there is no God. I have shown you the overwhelming evidence and logical proofs for God. So if you have read these hate books and found any evidence that there is no God that you find valid, list them out here for us to see.
The law of cause and effect is valid. Random chance and accidents are invalid. They do not exist in real life, only in fairy tales like evolution.
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Steve Mc G We call the first cause God, but you can call the first cause by any other name like Thor, Zeus, the devil. No problem, at least you have learned from me that there is a first cause. You are not my brightest student but what the heck, not everyone is gifted.
You are a liar, you have not examined the DNA of your great-great-great grand father. You probably don't even know where his grave is. Neither have you records of any eye witnesses that he even exist. You think you are the prince of England or something ? Even the prince of England have not examined the DNA of his great-great-great grand father. You guys just believe your great-great-great grand father exist based on hearsay. As for Jesus, we can communicate with his spirit, which is alive in his teachings, right now. We can do the same with the spirit of Socrates, Newton, Einstein, and MLK - these are all believers of God, also Buddha, Confucius, and Chairman Mao.
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Puff,TheMagic Deities are eternal, they do not become extinct. God means different thing to different people at different time, these are all parts of the One and the same God. God has infinite parts.
God is not knowable and cannot be defined. There is no definition of God. We believe in the first cause based on observable evidence and logical proof and we call the first cause God. That's just one of the effects of God that is observable and comprehensible to humans. There is also God the intelligent designer, and God the law giver. But there is infinitely more effects of God that is incomprehensible and unknowable to humans.
You choose to believe that there is no God because others have different interpretations of God ? What kind of logic is that ? Do you believe in gravity, in life, and in time ? People have different interpretation of these too, currently, as well as in the past. And no one knows what gravity, life, and time are. If you believe in gravity you should have no difficulty believing in God.
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***** Most certainly. Why ? Do you have doubt that one day humans will be able to regrow an amputated leg, cure Down's syndrome, eliminate disease, bring back the death, and eliminate fraud ? What is the bases of your doubt ?
What you pray for is for you to decide. What and when you'll receive is not up to you. That is why action, persistence and faith make a difference. Jesus told us parables about action, persistence and faith :
Luke 11:9-10
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Luke 18:1-8 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’” ...
Matt 15:22-28 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”
23 But He answered her not a word.
And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”
24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”
27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
May the love and the peace of Jesus be with you.
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*****
1) Invalid. WTF is 1 apple ? Where does the first 1 apple begin and where does it end and the second 1 apple begin ? WTF is 2 ?
2) Invalid proof of gravity. Did the something you dropped fall because it was pushed, pulled, sucked, or gently carried to the ground by some invisible gravitons ? Or was it just an illusion ?
3) Invalid argument. WTF is natural causes if it does not mean God given causes ?
You said, "Your flawed logic is, we don't know what caused it so god did it."
You were wrong. That was not my logic. That was yours. Your flawed logic is : we don't know the cause and so God does not exist. My logic is we believe everything that exists is caused to exist as demonstrated by the law of cause and effect, and we call the first cause God the Creator. Logic tell us the Creator, God, existed before anything was caused into existence, so the Creator must be non physical but metaphysical. And logic tells us that what is metaphysical is unobservable and unknowable to humans. We humans cannot know God, we can only believe in God based on logic applied towards evidence which would be our repeatable observations of some of the observable effects of God but never the entity God because that is unobservable to humans.
I gave everyone the overwhelming evidence and logical proofs for God and none of that is personal feeling or assertion. No one here expect you to believe in any of the thousands of gods or any personal god or belief. We are talking logic applied towards evidence which are both objective and verifiable. The burden of proof is on you if you wish to refute or counter these objective and verifiable logic and evidence.
So, give up your superstition and learn the truth. May the love and the peace of Jesus be upon you.
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***** You said, " So you admit prayer does not work." WTF made you say that ? When did I ever say prayers does not work ? To be specific, what I said regarding prayers is that just as Jesus taught us, prayers without faith, persistence, and subsequent actions are not prayers but wishful thinking like the wishful thoughts of dogs.
You said, "I know humans will probably figure stuff out with science.
No god needed."
I asked and you have not answered, "Do you have doubt that one day humans will be able to regrow an amputated leg, cure Down's syndrome, eliminate disease, bring back the death, and eliminate fraud ? What is the bases of your doubt ?"
Now you said you have no doubt and you know. So I need to ask you WTF is the bases of your knowledge ? And WTF made you think that God is not needed ? I don't think your statement was a scientific statement. It is merely your bullshit.
You said, "Some how I knew you would resort to quoting from your fairy tale book.
That is not proof."
Who said that is proof ? And what fairy tale book were you referring to ? I quoted the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels as evidence, not proof. The Gospels are records of the life and teachings of Jesus as interpreted by different authors, not a fairy tale book. Don't confuse the Gospels with the Bible, the OT, the Torah, or the NT.
Give up your superstition and learn the truth, okay ?
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*****
1) What do you hope an apple is ? And WTF has hope got to do with facts ?
2) What do you hope 2 is ? And WTF has hope got to do with numbers ?
3) You said, "When something falls it can be measured and predicted.
We labeled it gravity."
WTF can be measured and predicted ? I'd say its the effect caused by gravity, but you say it is gravity ? WTF made you say that ?
4) You said, "Gravity exists and is observable ...."
I also believe gravity exist, but observable ? How long, how wide, how deep, how big, how heavy, how much, how noisy, how hard, how soft, how smooth, how rough, how sweet, how stinky, .... I bet you can't give us an answer to any of these observational questions. The truth of the matter is : gravity, like God, life, and time are metaphysical, and what is metaphysical is unobservable and unknowable to humans. We humans can only believe in these entities based on logic applied towards our repeatable observations of some of the observable effects of these entities but never of these entities themselves for they are unobservable to humans.
You need to learn more about science and gravity. Einstein believed gravity either does not exist or it is a fictitious force, but QM experts disagree and claim gravity is caused by gravitons but they have no evidence. So in a nut shell, no one knows WTF gravity is. And that is a scientific statement.
We call the first cause God the Creator. The first cause is proven by logic in the law of cause and effect. A law is an unexplained but repeatable confirmation by repeatable observations.
You said, "I am not wrong.
Anything that is unknown you believe god did it."
You are wrong. Everything that exists, known as well as unknown to humans, is caused to exist. We call the first cause God the Creator.
You said, "Science is constantly learning and explaining the unknown and each time this happens your god shrinks."
Misconception. It is true science is constantly learning and explaining the unknown, but science cannot learn and explain the unknowable. Dark matters, dark energies, and what is currently happening in galaxies billions of light years away from earth is unknown, but gravity, life, time, and God are unknowable and is beyond the reach of science. God is all encompassing, metaphysical, and unknowable to humans. God does not shrink. Even if God does shrink, we humans wouldn't know about it. :)
Give up your superstition and learn the truth, okay ?
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***** You asked, " How do you know this." I said we believe, I didn't say we know. We believe based on logic applied towards evidence.
You said, "The big bang is the first cause as far as we know it."
Sorry, no. The big bang is an effect. It is caused. The cause of the big bang is unknowable, not merely unknown. God is God of the whole show, not your god of the gap logical fallacy.
You said, "You come to a conclusion and try to find evidence to prove it."
You are confusing evidence with proof. There are scientific evidence but there is no such thing as scientific proof. Proofs only exist in logic and mathematics. A conclusion can only be reached by logic applied towards evidence. The evidence for God is everything that exists. The logical proof for God is the law of cause and effect which tied all these evidence to God the Creator, the first cause.
That's true. I already told you no one knows WTF an apple is or WTF 1 , or 2 is. But you said you know 1+1=2 by adding 1 apple to another 1 apple to arrive at 2 apples. If you agree that no one knows WTF apple, 1, and 2 are, you might as well say 2 gravity plus 2 gravity equals 1 gravity. It still makes no sense and it is still invalid. This analysis is based on truth and verifiable facts and has nothing to do with nudity.
So give up your superstition and learn the truth, okay ?
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***** No. Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet but I already told you Jesus is not a prophet and he had never prophesized. Jesus is not Christ. He had never said he was Christ. Jesus claimed he is the way, the truth, and the life.
You asked, "Did you make up your own delusional religion.
One that doesn't believe in the bible but believes in Jesus."
No. Jesus, Einstein, and I believe in God, and we do not believe in any religion or follow any religion. Believing in Jesus is not a religion and does not require believing in the Bible, just like believing in Newton is not a religion and does not require believing in the Bible. You seemed to be a very confused person.
You said, "Who quotes the bible but doesn't believe it.
Someone that believes in Jesus but doesn't believe he was Christ."
I quoted from the Gospels, not the Bible. Jesus is not Christ. He never said he was Christ. Christians believe in Christ, but their do not necessarily believe in Jesus. I am not a Christian. I believe in Jesus and I follow his teachings.
May the love and the peace of Jesus be upon you.
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violeta ciorita I already showed you no one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus. You still stay in your world of darkness, in the bartering mood. You think you can ever repay the sunshine, the food, and the air that sustained us by suffering and by death ? Responsibility ? That's the garbage they stuffed kid's brain with to enslave them. What responsibility ? What can we be responsible for ? We were all born naked and totally dependent. We grew up completely out of the grace and the love of God, unconditional yet also no choice. The only work of God is to believe. "Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” John 6:29.
You said, "To know God is to know Love....but the unconditional one.....so all I can say I love you for standing up for your believe." You are so confused you're starting to be incoherent. 1) No one knows God. God is unknowable.
2) Jesus' loved us unconditionally, not God. No one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus.
3) Unconditional love has no condition. I don't have to stand up for my belief for Jesus to love me. Your love is not unconditional, for I have to behave in a certain way for you to love me. My love for Hawking is unconditional. I insulted him to spur his growth without asking anything in return or was my love for him out of suffering.
4) I stand up for my belief as Jesus stood up for his belief. Jesus was persecuted and crucified for his belief. I have been persecuted lots, even by close friends and loved ones. But I'll tell you a secret. I'll give up if people want to crucify me. Jesus and MLK went all the way, but I'm no Jesus and no MLK.
Now go sit out for 5 minutes for undermining, marginalising, and misrepresenting God and God's Will.
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violeta ciorita You said, "And for all those years I tought I was created by the love between my parents" Yeah, but our physical universe and life on earth were created by God. You are a part of life on earth. You haven't missed anything, you are still breathing.
You are not crazy. We are in heaven every moment. Heaven is a state of mind, not a place.
You said that atheists are humanists and they don't judge one another. Have you not heard the debates and read the books by militant atheists. They are hate mongers and they promote violence rather than understanding and tolerance. Atheists believe that there is no God. That makes them irrational, illogical, and delusional, considering the overwhelming evidence for God and zero contrary evidence.
You asked me, "could you kindly let me know where he or she or it is so I can go and ask WHY HE OR SHE OR IT LOVED ME SO MUCH? " All I can tell you is God is not a person. God does not answer questions. Jesus told us that God answers prayers of those who believe in Jesus and ask in the name of Jesus. Believers of Jesus has no want. God cannot be God if God is not both good and evil, love and hate, big and small, right and wrong, forgiving and unforgiving. These are all just human measurements. God just "is".
You asked me, "Why in the world I am I loved this much that I have to suffer every day from things I see and can not change?" Remember my explanation about insults ? It is you who saw suffering when there is no suffering. It is you who want change when no change is wanting you. It is you who feel love when no love is intended. Love is in you to give.
You asked me, "why not at least give me the tools to help others in this life?" You are alive, you have tools. The more you give, the more you'll have. Jesus washed his disciples' feet. May be you can start by washing feet.
You asked me, "you have no idea where he she or it is do you?" I do. God is everywhere. God is ever present. Love God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your soul, and love one another as Jesus loved us." That's the teaching of Jesus, his living spirit.
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Luigi Deatn stare Evolution is neither a fact nor a single theory. It is therefore not science. No one has ever observed evolution.
There is no such thing as natural selection unless by nature or natural we mean God.
You said, "in reality, we don't really know". That is argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy. God is not knowable because God is metaphysical. That's a logical argument that you have not been able to refute.
You asked me, "Does god seems good to you?" God is both good and evil. God cannot be God if God is not both good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, big and small, forgiving and unforgiving. These are merely human measurements. God just "is". I don't know about you, but all my comments are original and they are all based on truth and verifiable facts.
You said, "You talk about jesus and god teach you to love others" No. God does not teach, God just "is". Jesus taught us to love one another as he loved us. I insulted Hawking to spur his growth and hopefully he doesn't grow up becoming a spoiled brat. This is a kind of love thy neighbour, get it ?
What logical thinking is in humanism ? What problem has humanism solved ? It is always humans who do wars, not God.
There are overwhelming evidence and logical proofs for God. There is zero evidence and zero logical proof for evolution. These are statements of facts.
You told me, "You are living in a fantasy that god is love." I never said God is love. You are making things up as you go.
You made a nonsensical statement, " if god were real, then he would already stop all this madness that is going on in the word." 1) Why God has to do things your way ? 2) What madness ? Why do you call these madness ? 3) What in this world can go on without stopping ? 4) Do you believe if some madness or bad things stopped, then God is real ? Madness and bad things stopped all the time, you know ? And good things too, they stopped, you know ? God is both good and evil, sane and mad, for these are only human measurements. God just "is".
You said, "he would not have wasted time. YOU'RE BLINDED." 1) Time cannot be wasted, 2) God has infinite time, can you see that ? May be you can't see this because YOU'RE BLINDED.
You wrote, "You say that we are born with the unconditional love of god". You are making things up again. I never said such a thing.
You wrote, "You say we need to follow jesus and god". Again you are making things up. We cannot follow God for God and God's Will are not knowable. We can choose to follow Jesus. It is the choice of each individual.
You said, "you sound like you know the truth about everything". No. I don't. You heard wrong. I am confident about my arguments, yes. It is because I only speak the truth and everything I said was based on the truth and verifiable facts.
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***** No worries, I'm not a creationist. But I also must inform you that evolution is neither a fact nor a single theory. It is a collection of theories applied to a variety of causal questions. It is not science and never has it been scientifically tested. Your 20 men and big snakes experiment had never been carried out, and if it did, the results would be very disappointing to the evolutionists. Evolution relies on chance and accidents with plenty of time. First of all there is no such thing as chance and accidents. Everything that exist is caused to exist and cannot exist in any other way. Our space capsule carrying Armstrong landed on the moon did not happen by chance or by accident. It was designed and caused to land on the moon. It couldn't land on Mars, Jupiter, or anywhere else but the moon, get it ? Second, Time actually works against the evolutionists' argument. All our observations confirmed that time reduces complexity and order into simplicity and chaos and never ever gone the other way around. So now you know evolution is a mathematical impossibility.
Your explanation of where we came from started with the effects of God's creation, ie. parents, and ended in big bang and space/time. The whole explanation is contained in a box we know as our physical universe or our physical reality. God is metaphysical. God exist before the big bang when nothing physical has begun to exist. God caused the big bang and created this box we know as our physical universe. We live and study science in this box. The metaphysical God encompasses this box. We cannot go outside of this box because we are human bounded by our physical reality.
Evolution may be considered as happening in this box on its own. But there is zero evidence of evolution. No evolution has ever been observed. Natural selection simply does not exist unless by "nature" or "natural" we mean God. There is one very nasty implication of evolution. Since it implies the latter evolved are stronger, more fit, and selected or preferred, whites are more superior than blacks for humans originated as African blacks. That's what led to Hitler's ethnic cleansing and militant atheists like Dawkins, Bitchens, Krauss, and Harris and their white supremacist hate mongering.
Evolution is not math because we are not balls or chemicals. We are human and we have human intelligence. I saw penguins in Japan, it is human intelligence that put them there, not nature. We walk in space and put humans and plants in space stations. Humans and plants don't naturally live in space station. Besides, who's doing the sieving ? Nature does not have the intelligence to enable nature to act, choose, sieve, or select. Nature is passive, nature don't and can't act, unless by nature we mean God.
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***** Life is not a game of roulette. There is no either/or. Life is designed.
You said, " intelligence = knowledge of the designer." Wrong. Human intelligence is what was designed into human. Each and every living organism has intelligence designed into it to enable it to survive and reproduce, that is life. God, the intelligent designer, is not knowable. It is like infinity is not knowable.
Life is not our choice. Life, like gravity, is caused. God, the first choice, is not knowable. No one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus. This is evidenced by his prayer the night before his arrest when he prayed, "Father, it is not my wish to drink from this bitter cup, but it is Your Will that is to be done, not Mine." It is further evidenced by Jesus yelling while dying on the cross, "Father, why have you forsaken me ?"
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violeta ciorita I'd told you before, in good times you can feel content by just about believing in anything including fairy tales. But when the bad times come, and they always will, you'll find yourself empty if you are not guarded by the truth. Why it is worthwhile learning from someone who died 2000 years ago ? It is because great wisdom like that of Socrates, Confucius, Buddha, and Jesus only come by every few thousand years, and the civilisations of the world today are built on these wisdoms. It is because we are not domestic animals like cats and dogs, and we are not children who never grow up.
You asked, "Why not look at how we can change the world for the better" Why not indeed. The only thing that is holding us back is agreeing on what "better" is.
You asked, " Why not try to prove somebody right instead of wrong?" Why not indeed ? What's your point ? Am I wrong ?
I never said Jackie Wu is better. I was just asking you why you think I say the same thing over and over again when in fact I'd written a lot of new things in the last two years, things that are all original and a lot of them are new even to myself. Yin yang, for example, is less than a month old in my explanations of how apparent contradictions can compliment each other as a whole. That concept alone can save plenty of lives among the clinically depressed. E/IALO is the scientific theory that is the way of the future in various fields of science and technology.
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violeta ciorita It sounded a lot like you think one day Hawking may discover he is not bigger than God after all, and he may even discover that natural selection does not exist in real life, only in fairy tales. But you shouldn't hold your breath on that one or you'll meet your maker sooner than you think. But then WTF, that's not a bad idea after all. At least that's positive thinking, positive energy, right ? WRONG !
I don't need to think for a second, you do. Life is not a bunch of may be. Everything that exist is caused to exit. This is the law of cause and effect. There is nothing positive about believing in violating the law. There is no may be. Random chance, accidents, and evolution do not exist in real life, only in fairy tales. The space capsule carrying Armstrong did not may be land on the moon, nor did it landed on the moon by random chance or by accident. It was designed and caused to land on the moon. It couldn't have landed on Mars or Jupiter by chance or by accident. You can't roll a single six sided dice and may be get a 7 or an 8 by random chance or by accident. You can only get 1,2,3,4,5, or 6. The outcome of each and every one of your rolls is determined by design and by causes. The same with mutation. Viruses do not mutate and become a monkey because they are designed to be viruses, not monkeys. You don't have to blindly believe me. You can try it at home. But again, don't hold you breath waiting for a 7 or an 8 to come out, okay ?
You want to know about black holes ? Believe in Jesus, ask in his name, he'll get you whatever you ask in the glory of the One who sent him, that he promised he'll do.
".......THE SOONER THE PLANET AND THE UNIVERSE WILL BE A SAFER PLACE TO BE." ? Don't be ridiculous. The planets and the universe is as safe as it can be. No worries. May the love and the peace of Jesus be with you.
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violeta ciorita Re. moon landing, you asked, " how many other shuttles went up but never got to destination." What has that got to do with moon landing being the result of design and of causes ? Every shuttle that went up and missed was designed and was caused to miss, no random chance and no accident. You farted not by accident but by design and other causes, get it ?
Re. human design, you asked, "Can you explain the human design as how it should be coming out?" Are you trying to be ridiculous again ? Who do you think I am, God ? Didn't I tell you no one knows the Will of God, not even Jesus ? Are you pretending you know the Will of God ?
Re. design and other causes, you said, "design does not necessary means you will accomplish that by all laws and means." That's redundant, design is only one of the many causes.
Re. Yin Yang, you said, "In this world a He will not be much without a She....." Are you trying to teach me Yin Yang ? Do you believe there can be a she without a he ? Don't you think Yin and Yang are the inevitable parts of any design ?
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violeta ciorita If you think you know the Will of God you are mistaken. The sea and the water basket metaphor is a good one but may be a tiny bit exaggerated. I am more like a river and you are more like a water bucket. LOL.
You said, "God stands for LOVE AND NOTHING ELSE BUT LOVE" Mistaken ! Yin Yang, remember ? Big cannot exist without small, love cannot exist without hate, Yin cannot exist without Yang, Positive electromagnetism cannot exist without negative electromagnetism, and so on, and so on.
You are a stupid person because you think you are a stupid person. Hawking is stupid because I said he is stupid. Not many people really believe what you think or what I said, but that makes no difference. I did not judge Hawking, I only stated the facts based on evidence. How can a person not be stupid to believe in a "law of evolution", to say God is not needed, and to make predictions that humanity will end within 100 years ? Who does he think he is other than a mediocre scientist ?
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violeta ciorita To say "you do not need a GOD to explain and understand the Universe." is even more stupid than to say "God is not needed" because he presumed he can explain and understand the universe. What an idiot !?
The brightest scientists in history are believers of God, for example Newton and Einstein.
You said, "Maybe the humans should define God once again". Impossible. God cannot be defined by humans. God is the One that cannot be named (meaning boundless), the Alpha and the Omega (meaning the beginning and the end, both unknowable to humans). It can be observed that God means different thing to different people at different time, these are all parts of the One and the same God. God has infinite parts. God may mean love to you today, but tomorrow God may mean hate to you., not because there is randomness but because Yin and Yang cannot be separated.
I never made any assumption that you believe you are stupid. I said, "You are a stupid person because you think you are a stupid person." I was stating the facts based on evidence. You said, "......you can not even appreciate his effort to save stupid people like me and many others? " Quite the contrary, my assumption was that you don`t believe you are a stupid person, you were just calling yourself one. Yes, you could have called yourself a genius......, but you didn't, did you ? That's because you didn't think you were a genius, you think you were a stupid person even though you don't believe in it.
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Manchester Patriots Rampo Spirits, like gravity, life, time, God, etc. are metaphysical. They exist but they cannot be seen. Some of the effects of spirits can be observed but not all. For example, we can observe the attractive force of gravitation which is an effect of gravity, the leaping of cats which is an effect of life, the ticking of the clock which is an effect of time, the food, the water, and the air which are effects of God, and the singing and dancing to the songs of Elvis on YT which is the effect of the spirit of Elvis. May the spirit of Jesus which is in his teachings bring you the effects of love and of peace.
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violeta ciorita What is metaphysical is unknowable to humans. It is redundant to say we don't understand what is metaphysical, and it is absurd to say we need to understand the metaphysical in order to be on earth. Humans have lived on earth for millenniums without knowing or understanding what is currently happening in galaxies billions of light years away from earth, and these galaxies are only physical, not even metaphysical, and for all these millenniums we humans lived on earth we don't know or understand what is gravity or what is life because these are metaphysical and not knowable to humans, just like God is.
Re. unconditional love, per Wiki, "Unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations, it can also be love without conditions. This term is sometimes associated with other terms such as true altruism, or complete love. Do you have difficulty understanding this definition ? Is that why you are still waiting for an answer, or are you confusing unconditional love and God ? God is definitely not unconditional love. God is both love and hate with unknowable conditions, Yin Yang. We humans cannot get out of this box of physical illusions and there is no need for us to do so. We humans can believe in God and in Jesus, and follow the way, the truth, and the life of Jesus to live an everlasting life of love and of peace, continuing to do miracles as Jesus had taught us : ask and we shall receive, seek and we shall find, knock and the doors will be opened to us.
Re, more illusions, What we humans believe is our physical reality is all illusion. All, regardless if it is more or if it is less. However, what we humans believe is the unknowable metaphysical world is the real reality and is not an illusion. An apple is an illusion. What is unknowable to human but believable to humans and is real is what is metaphysical that made up the subatomic particles that form the atoms that are in the molecules and the compounds that appear in our eyes in the form of an apple. The same apple that Eve ate BTW. So, yeah, our physical bodies are illusions but our selves, our souls, our spirits are real and what we really are. We know our selves by the effects or illusions that they give out. We don't really know our selves but we believe what our selves are, based on our observation of these effects or illusions. For example Hawking gives you the illusion that he is a genius, but I see pass the illusion and I believe he is an idiot and FOS. We believe an apple weights 1/4 lbs. by our observation of the effects of what is in the apple on the weight scale, but we also believe what really is that appears in our eyes in the form of an apple is in fact weightless, like photons that made up what appears to be light are weightless.
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Soldieroftruth violeta ciorita Aliens, M-theory, multiverse, these, if confirmed, only enhance the validity of God the first cause, the creator, not diminish it. Eternity is like infinity, they are metaphysical and is unknowable to humans. What we believe is our physical universe is physical, not metaphysical, and everything that exist physically is not eternal but is caused to exist. This is the law, the law of cause and effects, a natural law given by God the law giver.
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violeta ciorita It is not confusing at all. You find it confusing because of your Yin overriding your Yang. It is difficult to see Mars if Venice is in your way.
We know that God is both love and hate because of Yin Yang. Love cannot exist without hate and vice versa.
We don't know but we believe God is metaphysical the same way we don't know but we believe God exist, by our observation of the effects given out by God : the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees, the fish in the seas, the far galaxies, the food that we eat, the air that we breathe, everything comprehensible and all that is incomprehensible to you and to me.
Yes, we can say what we believe is metaphysical is real but unknowable to humans and what we believe is physical is only an illusion. I gave you examples already. You don't even have to see beyond the molecules and the compounds to understand by logic that an apple is only an illusion of the molecules and compounds that made up what appears to our eyes in the form of an apple. We can observe birds and bees, flowers and trees, and we believe they are physical objects, but we also believe they are living organisms and they are in essence life. That is how we come to believe life exist, by logic. We also believe life is metaphysical, defined by Webster as something that is thought to exist but cannot be seen. This is the same way we believe God exist, by our observation of the effects given out by God the creator, the first cause, the intelligent designer, the law giver, etc., etc., and by logic. It is the same logic that tells us these metaphysical existence is believable but unknowable to humans as we believe galaxies billions of light years away from earth exist and something is currently happening there even though we also believe it is unknowable to humans what is currently happening there, at least for now and most likely for billions of years when the light there today finally reached earth. All these is clear as night and day if we apply logic which our Yang is very capable of but not our Yin. Don't confuse our earthly life with what we believe is our earthy physical things like our hair, our nails, and our faces These things are illusions, our lives, our selves, our souls, and our spirits are real, metaphysical, permanent, and everlasting. We believe spirits exist during and after our physical existence because we can observe the spirits of dead people like Steve Job, Jesus, and Elvis being alive and active today giving out all kinds of effects like, respectively, Apple computers and I-phones, love and peace, and our singing along and dancing to the recorded or impersonated music of the King.
Certainly, different scientists can believe in different scientific theories and different religious people can believe in different religions and different parts of the One and the same God, but no one needs to believe in what other people believe. If you choose to believe that there is no God in spite of the overwhelming evidence and logical proofs for God and zero contrary evidence, you have the right to do so but by doing so you also chose to be regarded as irrational, illogical, and delusional. You said, "I know soul is also an illusion therefore I do not know if I exist or not." Needless to say no one knows if one exist or not. One can only choose to believe or not to believe if one exist, and if one's soul exist, the same way one choose to believe or not to believe God, gravity, life, birds, bees, flowers, trees, fish, galaxies, food, air, everything comprehensible, all that is incomprehensible, etc., etc. exist or not exist.
May the joy and the hope of Jesus be with you.
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