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Comments by "starventure" (@starventure) on "The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice" video.
No mention of the crews ripping the AOA vanes off by over speeding at an unacceptably low altitude. Bad job, Vox.
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Jimmy McGowan There is something going on beyond mere training with this. I really, really suspect there is a fundamental difference in pilot skills between USA pilots and third world ones, and that the overall system architecture of the 737MAX was intended for USA pilot skill levels alone. The third world doesn’t do rules the way the first world does, and I believe there is high probability that contributed to these accidents. Remember that crash at SFO a few years back? Asiana? Clear as crystal day, no wind, no clouds, a pilots wet dream of a day. Yet that crew managed to smash the threshold. Why? Because they literally didn’t fly the plane. They came in on autopilot, and had no idea how to compensate for it because they were never trained to do so. The plane was fine, the crew was not. I suspect that may be the case with these 737MAX incidents as well.
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seban678 Uh...everything you just said basically exonerates Boeing. You do not re-engage MCAS after disengaging it. If this is true that they did that, while maintaining the ludicrous speed and altitude they were at then...pilot error. It almost sounds like they might have gone into panic mode instead of trying to follow the QRH and diagnosing the problem.
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Schei MJ But here is the question though...why would any pilot choose to get even remotely close to an aircrafts vmo right after takeoff and below FL100? We know autothrottles were NOT engaged on both flights, so how did the speed get so high?
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James Allen AFR447 was an operational structure accident. The plane was fine; the crew and oversight was garbage...
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Mobil206 Mobil206 There is really, really easy and reliable way to destroy the AOA after takeoff...
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S Userman Two AOAs are part of an option package at time of purchase. US carriers to my knowledge have two. If Ethiopian had just one, and ripped it off because they tried fly a 737 beyond its manufacturer recommended operational speed limits, then the crew and airline are guilty.
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John Smelt I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up. This is exactly what I have been saying all along. I would not be shocked if they find that the jackscrew got stripped from them turning MCAS on and off like they did. Leave it off and get back on the ground is the rule.
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Harvey Smith You do know that airbus has more onboard computers than Boeing, right? Are you familiar with something called fly by wire? Airbus was the first with that. You need many computers to handle it.
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Kobe O'Neal No need to. Engine placement is fine, door height is fine.
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@seban678 They might have been able to turn the trim wheels if they had eased off the speed...we will never know until the investigation is finished and the final evaluation given. But the consensus I have heard from pilots of the type appears to be unanimous. Breaking an aircraft Vmo is a bad idea.
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Dejvid Çera What good would that do? The plane still would have crashed because the crew didn’t know what to do.
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Kate Haaland MCAS was part of the training syllabus for them. No excuse.
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Butt Why?? If that were the case, why were there no reports of issues with the aircraft from any crews of US(under FAA rules) carriers? In the video they say that there were reports from crews in America. They did not mention that those were carriers in South America, not the USA. Something is not matching up about it all. What I am hearing leads me to suspect that all of these crews have one thing in common, which is over speeding. That could be the common link, and if it is then we are likely looking at pilot error.
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@kiraleighbeutel2475 As I have heard it, there was mention of the MCAS as part of initial training for the type. Now, some are saying that there was some upset pilots in the US in regards to the brevity of training, but before we accept that as gospel...investigate the source.
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@ricbachman1727 Officially, yes...but there is plenty of leeway...
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@skinnybricks I believe you are certainly on the money there. CRM is going to come up for sure.
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@ricbachman1727 Have you heard which carriers? Just curious.
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CK_Videos They left the throttles at full power for no reason... https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiv-a-ktNLhAhWIslQKHV_qBpUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fus-ethiopia-airplane-reconstruction-insi%2Fhow-excess-speed-hasty-commands-and-flawed-software-doomed-an-ethiopian-airlines-737-max-idUSKCN1RH0FJ&psig=AOvVaw19Uyn94wXyd3f65XHLS2IC&ust=1555428351899498 Take a wild guess here...what happens when you fly any aircraft too fast too low to the ground? Shutting off MCAS probably didn’t mean much since other systems were beyond saving by that time. Ripping off your essential instrumentation probes is never a good idea.
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Julian R The software didn’t crash though. They know that now. The AOA got ripped off by the crew flying too fast, which caused the MCAS software to go nuts. The crew turned it off, then failed to throttle back to reduce speed which made the flight uncontrollable at their altitude. Finally, they turned MCAS back on even though the manual says not to, which in my opinion could have been the move that condemned them to death, because at that speed and altitude an elevator adjustment could cause so much stress that it stripped the jackscrew. Once you lose that, you’re done. The reengaging of the MCAS alone is grounds to say crew error, letting Boeing off the hook.
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@gas33z All the crews at the US carriers got trained on it. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the airlines to ensure that their crews are trained correctly and up to date.
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