Comments by "Pattie Rotondo" (@pattierotondo1108) on "David Starkey Talks" channel.

  1.  @NSResponder  The actual commandment is "Thou shalt not commit murder". Executing people as just punishment doesn't fall into that category. Like it or not, that's what the standard was then.
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  2. FYI, Henry VIII executed Anne Askew, not Mary I. And yes, Mary I has been unfairly viewed, especially by people who blame her for her actions, but excuse her father, brother and sister for theirs.
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  3. I do too - up to a point. I can't get past her celebration of Katherine of Aragon's death - wearing yellow and dancing in joy. She was as guilty of adultery as Henry, but she was the only one who paid the price.
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  4. Andrew isn't as bad as Harry IMHO. Andrew made a LOT of stupid decisions that ended up hurting his family, but I don't think he started out intending to hurt them. I am fairly sure he never thought that what he did would ever be public and you can see in his eyes that he is sorry for the pain he has caused those around him. Harry, by contrast, deliberately has done things that he KNEW were hurtful to his family and has done so repeatedly. He not only hurt his father and brother, he also hurt and disrespected both of his grandparents in their last days and robbed them of time with his children. He can NEVER fix that, no matter what he does. As for getting the boot, Harry already did that to himself. What should happen is that he is NEVER allowed back in unless he makes a public apology and admits the lies he has told. I would never accept him back unless he dumps MeGain in any case.
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  5.  @mightyobserver9899  Are you confused by the term?
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  6.  @eddiecorrigan3619  100% true. "Bloody" Mary had something like 300 people executed. Henry had about 72,000 executed. So who was really the "bloody" one?
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  7. Assuming that Anne was actually unattractive means you are taking Henry's word. I think that's a mistake. Hobein's portrait was called "lively" (i.e. life-like) so I don't buy that she was ugly.
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  8.  @katspray  Charles
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  9.  @ashlouw5350  His brother isn't a whiny and self-indulgent jerk. He has a lovely wife and three normal kids. Harry is the way he is because he WANTS to be. He could be helped but that doesn't feed his ego and attract the attention he (and his wife) craves.
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  10.  @eugeneysaye2685  LOL! You ADMIRE the woman that Charles committed adultery with but you think British politics is run by Americans and you hate that? LOL! May you should look at the CHINESE government and how it represses people and torture people before casting stones. You are ridiculous.
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  11. The current Henry will never be king and I thank God for that!
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  12. @@HoneyMonster666 This individual seems to be one of those who thinks only their opinion matters. I wouldn't bother worrying about what a person like that thinks or says. They don't care about truth, just their own views.
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  13.  @emmam-rr8qe  You have a very high opinion of yourself. You seem to think that only YOUR opinion of what the past means matters and that others who have different opinions are racists and bigots. That's utter nonsense. Rewriting history or refusing to see the entire picture is why "woke" people are regarded as self-loathing. If you choose to hate your race and want to act as if you're personally responsible for the acts of others, then do so. However, others are not required to think as you do. If you want to act in a civilized manner, then stop acting like the opinions of others is a reason for you to self-righteously eliminate them from society. They are no less entitled to an opinion than you are. The difference is that real historians don't act as if they are the only ones with an answer that is correct. FYI, many Africans were sold into slavery by OTHER BLACK PEOPLE. It is STILL happening in Africa today, yet that isn't mentioned. Yet the "woke" ignore that fact by blaming all white people (even those whose families never owned slaves) and excusing all black people (even those whose ancestors sold other blacks into slavery). That is outrageous. Just as those who call the internment during WWII in the US racist against the Japanese, while ignoring the fact that Germans and Italians were ALSO interned. You ignore facts for only one of two reasons. You are either too lazy to investigate far enough to uncover the ENTIRE truth, or you have an agenda and are choosing to ignore that which doesn't support the narrative you want to push. Neither of those things is admirable. People need to be responsible for their OWN actions, not those of people years before. And people like you need to understand that you are not the arbiter of right and wrong on the planet. Your attitude is nasty and obnoxious, yet you are entitled to speak. Afford others the same courtesy if you expect to be taken seriously. Otherwise, you are just another person who can't defend their opinions on merit, so they have to attack the character of the person they are arguing with. Resorting to character assassination is what people do when they can't defend their opinions. THAT is appalling.
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  14. Mary definitely gets an unfair assessment, as do most of history's "losers". Those who wrote after her death were on Elizabeth's payroll, so that was the story.
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  15. Amen. Not only did Henry destroy the art, he also dismantled the only welfare system the poor in England had. After Henry, the monks, priests and other religious people joined the ranks of the poor after Henry stole their homes and threw them into the streets. Also, I wouldn't call it "religious zeal" - more like plain, old-fashioned greed on his part and he was egged on by Cromwell. A disgusting pair.
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  16. Because truth has nothing to do with how they think.
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  17. More bragging by a person who saw himself as larger than life.
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  18. You'd have to be educated to understand, so I won't bother to explain it to you.
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  19.  @maryearll3359  Nonsense. The portrait has been said to be very "lively" - life-like - by many people at the time. Why would they lie? Surely they understood Henry would eventually see her and discover their lie, which would cost them their heads. Also, Holbein remained at court - hardly likely if he had done such a botch job.
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  20.  @yorkshire_tea_innit8097  I live in California and no, he isn't. They are whiners and we don't like them.
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  21. His "step-mother" shouldn't be called that. Camilla will ALWAYS be the woman his father cheated on his mother with. It was disgusting that Charles married her and it is even worse that she has the title that should have been Diana's.
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  22. Par for the course for a despicable tyrant like Henry though.
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  23. She certainly understood her brother very well. She knew he would break his word about allowing her to marry her own choice after her French marriage ended, so she married Charles Brandon immediately. It was definitely better to ask forgiveness rather than permission from Henry and she knew he wouldn't harm her. I admire her courage and intelligence.
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  24. Being a victim means you have given your power over yourself away to someone else. That can't happen unless you allow it. Harry is a victim because he WANTS to be one. It is far easier than having to take personal responsibility for your life and actions. When that truth finally dawns on him, he is going to be a sad little man-boy. Until then. he is just going to have MeGain leading him around by his....
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  25. Invictus is a copy of the Warrior Games in the US.
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  26.  @sylviaroberts8103  Nutty zealots type fast.
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  27. Letters from the Spanish ambassadors as well as others. A lot of records exist about monarchs.
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  28. Harry has been a puppet for quite a while now. He speaks, but it's MeGain's words coming out.
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  29. What an incredibly ignorant statement. Spoken like a true anti-Catholic bigot.
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  30.  @neilbuckley1613  In what I have read, Henry's total was closer to 72,000. Either way, far worse than his children.
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  31. If William gets rid of the ivory, the deaths of the elephants will TRULY have been for nothing. I could see taking the items and doing something with them that would help preserve the elephants, like informing people that this is what used to happen when people didn't know better. People that trash the past because they judge everything by their current standards are fools with a disregard for those who built everything they benefit from now.
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  32. Fear and respect? Fear, definitely. Respect? I doubt that. Henry disrupted the lives of all in his kingdom for his own personal pleasure. They may have feared and even obeyed him, but I don't think that results in respect. Henry ruthlessly destroyed the religious houses for his own enrichment. Before that, those houses were the refuge of the poor and destitute. After, the monks and nuns joined the poor without help. It was essentially the beginning of what would cause the welfare state. Henry took the plunder and enriched himself and his friends. Certainly not the actions of a moral person. More like a morally bankrupt one. Hardly a person to be admired.
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  33. The woke are the same as Harry. They think the ONLY world view is theirs and no other opinion is of value. It is selfishness taken to the extreme. They have been coddled their entire lives so they aren't able to deal with the fact that adversity exists. When they don't get their way, it's never their own fault and someone else is always to blame. It's nauseating.
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  34.  @graphiquejack  If Katherine had actually consummated the marriage, I doubt she would have claimed otherwise. There is no evidence that she was a liar (Henry obviously was). As for any evidence that the marriage was consummated, the snickering of the servants is hardly proof By contrast, Henry accepted Mary Boleyn's child as his own.
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  35. I think it would have been much the same, except with, perhaps, less killing by Henry. Henry was brought up without quite the same restraints as Arthur and was spoiled as a result. He was used to getting his way. That's what happened when he didn't get the son he thought he deserved. It was everyone's fault but his. That's how a toddler acts when they are thwarted. It's possible that he might have thought twice about the huge number of clergy and personal friends he murdered, but perhaps not. His arrogance led him to think it was right of him to murder them. I'm not sure if that would have been any different.
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  36. I would love to take him to lunch. What a joy he is!
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  37.  @paulvallance4970  The woke have very little else than outrage. Reason has no part in their reckoning.
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  38.  @mjspice100 I thank the stars in Heaven that Harry will NEVER be king. It would be worse than Edward and Wallis.
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  39. Clearly not as nasty as you are.
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