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That Upton Sinclair quote is one of my favorites. "It's hard to get a man to see something when his salary depends upon him not seeing it."
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There are very important reasons why Jordan Peterson won’t give straight forward answers to historical-critical questions about the resurrection, imo. He is much more concerned with what does it MEAN and how should one LIVE who truly believes in the resurrection. He not interested in parroting the “right answers”.
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How he speaks of alternate potentials and counterfactuals as if they hold equal weight to reality (what is) is telling. I think this kind of “analysis” is only possible in the abstract (non-real, at least…yet).
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4:20 - 4:30 "Capitalism is the greatest economic engine ever devised, but it has to be harnessed with social purpose." I'm not sure this is possible. True believers will always assume it is. "We just have to use (fill in the black) better or rightly (more money, more oversight, better people, whatever)." The goal of capitalism is to make capital. Ethics is a horse of a different color.
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His internal monologue: “Keep it general. No specifics. Don’t get personal. Keep it general…” repeat
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A Christian would say that Paul met Christ on the road to Damascus. Also, even though some may have had a transcriptionist, doesn’t mean they didn’t write the text.
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“God becomes man.” comes with a lot of baked-in assumptions about time and ontology which don’t cohere with a proper Christian theological understanding of the Incarnation. Essentially, I think it is more correct to think of the Incarnation as the center of time and being from which everything else flows. Which will make zero sense with the assumption of the linear progression of time and mechanistic causality.
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@fritzschnitzmueller3768 it’s difficult to know the reasons why someone does (or does not do) something, even when you’re that person themself.
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@processrauwill7922 haha. Good to see you.
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Cormac McCarthy, my friend.
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It’s not 24/7 culture war now?! The culture war is the right hand fighting/hating the left hand of the *same body*. What is that body? I’d say that it’s liberalism, a colonizing monoculture fighting for the authority within the Exlcusivist Religion of the Right Side of History. It’s identitarianism. If you don’t agree with my thoughts and opinions and abstractions, you are “outside” the acceptable limits of our religion. We need to get back to an apophatic religious substrate of an unspoken unity behind all multiplicity (difference).
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11:35 “ but here we are sitting in the physical trying to make sense of the unreasonable effectiveness of the thing that’s beyond which is mathematics…” There are many baked-in assumptions here. Even how the Bishop closes the clip is interesting. The person who created the Universe is a mathematician. Huh. Why? A more interesting question to me would be why do we think that mathematics is the best way to understand the universe? Or logic? There seem to be baked in assumptions and proclivities into that line of reasoning. Mechanistic causation maybe. Idk. Math and logic can indeed gesture toward beauty and other ineffable qualities. Why wouldn’t art or beauty or laughter or quality be more faithful guides? Or equally good? We have a huge proclivity to quantitative analysis vs qualitative apprehension or vision. “You can’t think yourself out of a prison made of thoughts.”
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That’s a good question. A lot has to do with Heaven/Hell and judgement and “binding and loosing” or authority. If one is a universalist, ie believes that in the end, all people (and the entire Cosmos) will be “friends of God”, then the Church ends up being the Cosmos (Humanity and everything else).
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@onepiecemememan I can see what you’re saying. And I think that can be true. It’s a problem with the impulse to name everything too narrowly and explicitly and systematically. But there have been and are many Catholic mystics who wouldn’t con belief. Mysticism is fundamentally personal and noncoercive. I’m not a Catholic btw. Just in case you’re wondering. I love the Paul Tillich quote “all institutions are inherently demonic.”
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@onepiecemememan the problem is that the counterfeit always shows up to mimic the real. Christ begets AntiChrist in a sense. But AntiChrist will always use the individuals for its own ends/desires—apart from the will of the individual. Christ never would. And the Church should be like her Bridegroom.
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@onepiecemememan I don’t think that organized religion has to always do that. Institutional religion…maybe. Probably? Full disclosure, I’m in the process of becoming an Orthodox Christian which I see as being intrinsically mystical, while only some of Western Christianity is mystical. Non-mystical Christianity is always gonna try and tell you what to think. And the attempt to control what someone thinks is a bad idea, imo. Interestingly, Karl Rahner, a Catholic, said, “the Christian of the future will be a mystic or not at all.” I love that quote.
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@dinadigiovanni4726 what does it mean to “believe”? The Greek word often translated “believe” is pistis. It’s about faith or faithfulness. Which is not mere affirmation of propositional statements. There is not easy consensus about what it means to believe in Christ and be a part of his Body.
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0:50 “Science is also tested.” Theoretically. Reproducibility studies are not funded. Both individual and collective salience at the consciousness level is largely overlooked in science.
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@Unxpekted If it doesn’t resonate with you, then it doesn’t resonate. “What you see and hear depends a lot upon where you’re standing and on the kind of person you are.” Blessings.
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Alexander Dugin on the Ukraine-Russian War https://youtu.be/NXNlNsOXqsM
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There are multiple ways to influence. Systematic influence or personal influence, for example. Systematic would be mechanistic and not necessarily personal. However, the personal would necessarily be rooted in relationship and context and admiration or respect. Therefore one—the systematic influence—has the capacity for manipulation and abuse. Whereas the personal does not. And lastly, the systematic/mechanical influence can be received willingly or unwillingly, voluntarily or involuntarily, coercively or noncoercively. This is the difference between the Church as a healthy organism and the church as an institution.
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11:25 - 11:30 but the full embodiment of God IS a character. That’s the Incarnation. But this is all very esoteric stuff. It’s not a 1:1 “is” of equivalence (the Son is not exactly the Father), but an “is” of essence. The Spirit of the Father, his will and energy is fully represented and manifested in the action of the Son “not my will but your will”.
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12:00 Amen, Destiny. Siloed conservative and liberal schools is sad, at best, and deadly, at worst.
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