Comments by "Luke Thompson" (@WhiteStoneName) on "Jordan B Peterson" channel.

  1. This was absolutely wonderful. This the the best Pageau that I’ve heard. Thank you, all. Thanks for posting it, Dr. Peterson.
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  2. This is the most important discussion of Jordan’s “Second Wave”. Not because of the content or facts per se , but because of the spirit and kind. Let’s hope this pattern/spirit increases.
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  3. 24:55 JBP outlines objectivism and its buddy philosophical materialism here well. It's deistic and nominalistic, and when the collective imagination sees the world this way, it leads to a world of dead objects and eventually dead people.
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  4. John, your response to Jordan's question from 34:00 - 35:00 is absolutely wonderful. Thank you.
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  5. This is one of my favorite convos that I’ve heard in a while. Thank you men. 🙏🏼
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  6. 1:24 Radiohead
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  7. So…speculative realism is basically reiterating trinitarian theology? Yes! “Deep calls to deep”. Exactly.
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  8. Hi. Neal told me about this... He said it really takes off at one hour in...TGrogan death blow.
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  9. 57:00 Welcome to the Incarnation.
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  10. 55:50 The rationalists atheists *learned this from the Christians*.
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  11. John, your section on “potential being real” and the pencil illustration is about the recovery of the feminine (hospitality, space, potential, the womb) vs the dead world of deistic or materialistic Newtonian laws of physics. This is panpsychism or even better panentheism, mixed with opening/withdrawal.
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  12. Who is this guy you’re talking about?
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  13. 1:13:08 "What the Egyptians conceptualized was that the proper Sovereign was the proper balance between foundational tradition & dynamic vision."
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  14.  @BLEEP-1  hahaha. 🤞🏼😰
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  15. 1:28:00 re: the dogmatic misuse of the traditions I call this confessionalism and it's the precursor of identitarianism and ideological possession. Most modern atheists conflate confessionalism with religion and religion proper is what binds. It's the mystical unity behind all things that are.
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  16. 13:38 “culture free”. There isn’t such a thing. But Christ is indeed *universal*, but he lived in A culture and A time and A place. To be is to be embodied.
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  17. 1:01:00 Christ and AntiChrist The road to Hell is paved with Good intentions. Intentions and will are fine, but they are able to be twisted and deceived.
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  18. 1:51:53 “What are the conditions under which someone can say they’re a Christian and be either lying or wrong and what are the conditions under which someone can say that I am NOT a Christian and be either lying or wrong?”
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  19. "parables are narrative koans" - Vervaeke Love it.
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  20. 35:00 “I’m Orthodox, so I don’t believe in Original Sin the way you layer it out.” Amen.
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  21. 1:30:50 Pageau "You don't need an explicit ethic. you don't have to spell it out." JBP: "Why not?" Pageau: "Because you don't have to tell someone how to go downstairs unless they can't do it." So good. Yes.
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  22. "All models are false. Some are useful." - George Box
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  23. 1:09:05 Re: The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil See the Book of Job. The solution to eating from the Tree of KoG&E is the Tree of Life, the Cross. We are not called to judge Good and Evil, until we have faces, until we are a New Creation and grown. Then we will be called to judge many things. When we have put on Christ. Those who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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  24.  @EmilyTodicescu  perfect.
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  25. 50:50 - 51:00 "part of the drama of salvation, which in the Bible is always cosmic, not just human, not just personal." The personal is cosmic. You are talking of individualism, not personalism. One cannot, and ought not, divorce the person from the whole.
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  26. 30:30z it’s not a uniting book. It’s a uniting person.
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  27. What about the long-term environmental cost of cheap goods? Pulling people out of poverty for one to three generations does no good for posterity if we destroy the planet. The way that we eat and dress ourselves and consume at large is not even close to being sustainable. Do what’s meaningful, not what’s expedient. We are outsourcing our problems overseas where we can’t see them through buying unethical products. Analyzing this with the one-variable of “trade with a communist government” is myopic.
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  28. Rupert Sheldrake (morphic fields and angels) is a missing piece of this discussion, imo.
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  29. My favorite takeaway as well. I’ve heard Dr. Peterson say this before. But I had forgotten it.
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  30. 1:14:04 "Don't listen to my words. Listen to the Logos that gathers them together. 'All things are one.' - Heraclitus" Amen.
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  31. Very great. Particularly the second half. Many of my fav topics. Thanks.
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  32. 1:09:10 That's the dishonest (MoFo) PoMos. There are honest PoMos who don't play the same game they're critiquing. imo.
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  33. 1:16:57 *individual*, not personal. A person is not equivalent with an individual. This distinction matters. A person is never an isolated, autonomous individual.
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  34. My two cents about all of all of JBP's interruptions: There are two kinds of interrupting in a conversation (maybe more). The first is interrupting to say what I think, assert my own opinions & ideas. The second is an excited interruption of joy to ask questions, it's a following of the muse. Yes, one must be careful with their interruptions and we don't want it to get out of hand, but it's not necessarily a bad thing per se. I really think in this particular case, that those who dislike the interruptions do so because they are more left-brained and really like structure and systematic thinking. "I want everyone to clearly lay out their thinking in a highly structured way, so that I can see the forest through the assembly of the trees." vs. those who are more right-brained and are comfortable with many dangling, unfinished ends because they are inclined to see the forest first and don't care so much about the careful detailed painting of the trees.
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  35. 1:21:45 - 1:24:00 ish what John says is spot on. Wisdom is not knowledge and wisdom is communicated by communion and it’s necessarily personal. It takes a guide, a mentor, spiritual mothers and fathers.
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  36. 1:06:15 all meaning is personal.
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  37. Propositionalism came out of religious confessionalism post-cogito (post-automated individualism).
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  38. Is attention a choice? Is it subject to the will? When and how? Iris Murdoch thought of attention as the “just a loving gaze”. An orientation, a space of hospitality, a womb.
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  39. 34:30 Regarding the work required to "see something anew". Reminds me of this: "Seeing is forgetting the name of the thing one sees." - Robert Irwin We must let go of our mental constructs and conceptions of things (& people) before we can see something that we haven't seen before. And then our attention can participate in bringing that new vision into reality. This is the difference between icons and idols.
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  40. 1:43:30 - 1:43:40 amen, Vervaeke. Either/or, winners/losers. I call this the Divided Man spirit. It begets division within and division outside. The “exclusivist religion of the right side of history”. This is what confessionalism does. When we elevate credo (the propositional articulation) over religio (the mystical bridge that binds & creates communion). “The Christian of the future will be a mystic or not at all.”
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  41. 49:38 - 50:30 slow clap Jonathan Pageau. YES! All of that. I call that the Divided Man. Sometimes I wonder if the first major seed was at Chalcedon...but the points that you lay out are definitely more clear. Thank you.
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  42.  @Alserany  ok
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  43. Bret from 15:00 - 15:30 “I had to object. I had no choice because I was rational, and everyone else was a fact denier.” Ok, rationalist. See where that gets you.
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  44. 29:00 - 29:15 this is a great little clip of why I struggle with Mohammed Hijab and any other smug rationalist who is certain of their ideological standing rooted in abstractions. It’s very unbecoming. The Christian apologetics world is full of guys like this too.
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  45. This talk has been wonderful so far. However, to talk of what would have happened, if we had not sinned/if Creation had not fallen, is irrelevant.
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  46. 24:00 we don’t know (in an articulable, encapsulable way…think Michael Polanyi’s modernist assumptions of knowledge) what the resurrection is. Saying that what St. Paul meant is a “physical” resurrection has a TON of assumptions that are unknowable. At least in the way that you want to know. Peterson is answering these questions well, imo.
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  47. 1:01:56 "Every act of perception, unites earth and heaven." The person is the locus and nexus of all and any meaning. The hard problem of all perception.
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  48. Relational ontology/knowing >>> epistemological “knowing”. Participatory is relational (personal). All true knowledge is rooted in persons/being.
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  49. Leave politics to the usurpers and blind leaders of the blind, Jordan. It’s the way of the world. It’s perishing. It’s the opiate of the masses.
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  50. 1:32:20 “All models are false. Some are useful.”
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