Comments by "Luke Thompson" (@WhiteStoneName) on "The 4 Horsemen of Meaning | Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau | EP 204" video.

  1. 24:55 JBP outlines objectivism and its buddy philosophical materialism here well. It's deistic and nominalistic, and when the collective imagination sees the world this way, it leads to a world of dead objects and eventually dead people.
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  2. John, your response to Jordan's question from 34:00 - 35:00 is absolutely wonderful. Thank you.
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  3. 55:50 The rationalists atheists *learned this from the Christians*.
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  4. John, your section on “potential being real” and the pencil illustration is about the recovery of the feminine (hospitality, space, potential, the womb) vs the dead world of deistic or materialistic Newtonian laws of physics. This is panpsychism or even better panentheism, mixed with opening/withdrawal.
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  5. 13:38 “culture free”. There isn’t such a thing. But Christ is indeed *universal*, but he lived in A culture and A time and A place. To be is to be embodied.
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  6. 50:50 - 51:00 "part of the drama of salvation, which in the Bible is always cosmic, not just human, not just personal." The personal is cosmic. You are talking of individualism, not personalism. One cannot, and ought not, divorce the person from the whole.
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  7. Rupert Sheldrake (morphic fields and angels) is a missing piece of this discussion, imo.
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  8. 1:16:57 *individual*, not personal. A person is not equivalent with an individual. This distinction matters. A person is never an isolated, autonomous individual.
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  9. 1:21:45 - 1:24:00 ish what John says is spot on. Wisdom is not knowledge and wisdom is communicated by communion and it’s necessarily personal. It takes a guide, a mentor, spiritual mothers and fathers.
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  10. 1:43:30 - 1:43:40 amen, Vervaeke. Either/or, winners/losers. I call this the Divided Man spirit. It begets division within and division outside. The “exclusivist religion of the right side of history”. This is what confessionalism does. When we elevate credo (the propositional articulation) over religio (the mystical bridge that binds & creates communion). “The Christian of the future will be a mystic or not at all.”
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  11. 49:38 - 50:30 slow clap Jonathan Pageau. YES! All of that. I call that the Divided Man. Sometimes I wonder if the first major seed was at Chalcedon...but the points that you lay out are definitely more clear. Thank you.
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  12. Relational ontology/knowing >>> epistemological “knowing”. Participatory is relational (personal). All true knowledge is rooted in persons/being.
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  13. 1:26:47 - 1:28:00 exactly, Jordan. Well said. We definitely don’t need more people telling other people what they should believe. Honest inquirers. Seekers.
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