Comments by "Lewis Smith" (@lewissmith350) on "andrew gold | heretics."
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He is not disgusted at them at all, he disagrees with certain agendas of the trans rights lobby, and accepts biological sex has massive consequences, so should affect laws and safeguarding rules to protect and defend womens rights and safeguarding, but he has compassion and understanding for them. .i would say his view is the moderate centrist sensible position, opposed to hatred and bullying and bigotry v trans people, supportive of gay rights, but also equally opposed to the fanatics who believe biological sex should not be classed as far more important than gender idealogy, and opposing the fantasies who deny the obvious glaring existence of recognition that biological women exist, as biological women rights matter. As does recognizing biological women exist, and this has consequences on safety and all that.
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I agree, that idea that any human with a IQ under 80, could function is daft, and that would be so for any neolithic or even mesolithic society. Some of the IQ tests claim Nepal has a IQ score, which is impossibly low. They claim scores in the fifties, for a country, with beautiful temples, beyond the design of the average person anywhere, and of whom, the great sherpas and gerkhas came from. How could sherpa tensing have climbed Mount Everest if he had a IQ of the fifties, he would have slipped to his death in no time with a IQ that low. How come so many gerkhas learned great English and were able to handle being great soldiers. The believers in racial IQs are fantasists. And hilariously most of them on this YouTube comments spell worse even than me. Even Bushmen and aborigine lifestyle need a IQ well over 80 to survive, what with their cultural stuff, if you watch how rich their cultures are, you realize they can not possibly have the IQs the racialists like to claim for them. I mean who invented the boomerang, or the pygmy cultures, that ray mears and the like see. There is no way iqs are all that different, that can't be explained for now by culture.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 But would you agree that the term woman, was never a term that only a obscure trade knew, people would have had such a term since the times of homosapiens arrival in Europe. It's not some never heard of idea, it's a term we couldn't live without. Probably even Neanderthals had a term for men, and a term for women. Additionally 99 percent of the words in any scientific paper are common a garden words everybody uses, like and, or, today, Tuesday, the number one, or man or woman.dont muddy the waters and pretend man or women are unknown words. They have a definition, and everyone comprehends that is a common term, it's fairly reasonables.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 but the word woman in the way Dawkins is using it, is the definition that has existed since the dawn of human language, it's only a political belief , a terminological sleight of hand, that is desiring to change the definition, purely for the sake of what could be called trans rights. It's not science that desired to change the definition, but a political idealogy,that had a set aim, so to pretend he is being wrong on the science, as some politically inspired people, want the term to be changed to what they want, is wrong, he is just not obeying the beliefs of people such as yourself.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 totally agree, that in itself, it is not offensive, but changing the language, and concepts of terms, massively important terms that have been used since the dawn of time, for the sake of a political aim, and not thinking about the consequences and affects it has on all societies and such, is unreasonable, and to them claim anybody who does not unswervingly go along with it, even if they have sensible criticism of the politically motivated change, to claim that anybody who does not unquestioningly go along with this change, is being something to look down on, i feel thats unfair.
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NoBut why do folk like Caitlyn Jenner, and Eddie izzard, who identified as trans but were born biological male, behave more like the stereotype of a quite macho man, specially before they transitioned, remember Caitlin jenner after transitioning threatening ben Shapiro in a debate, hardly a dainty feminine act. And Izzard was always running marathons, and dominating panel shows with a strong persona. Great person,, but what about their behaviour indicates they are more feminine than most men, which surely would occur, if there was such a thing as female brains. If men are from Mars and women from Venus as the book claims in a joke, what about them seems venusian. And both are still attracted to women, I mean can you tell me, in what ways they behave like a typical woman. And the typical extreme trans rights activist often is a biological male, arguing and debating like a aggressive domineering biological male debates, indeed often in a more mansplaining way, than most cis males. Please explain how that is so. Please inform me, as I love to learn. So as of that I think the gender critical idea makes sense, that biological sex exists, there is much variation in personality, sexuality etc in each gender, there are tougher men weaker men, homosexuals and heterosexuals and all sorts, and even biological males who identify as women, but that does not stop biological sex existing, and vice versa for women, females, and heterosexuals and homosexuals are as normal as eachother, but it does not stop sex existence.
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When I say the term woman, I mean it in the sense that every tribe in history had such a word, and every language, and it is one of the most important words any language has, I am sure when homo etectus developed language it was one of the first thousand words, and it meant biological woman, as most people in society means by it, in every land today. Don't pretend a confused unclear idealogy that is trying to appropriate the word, is society, and if you think the word is unimportant, don't write loads of comments about it. Also if you think Dawkins does not know about intersex, you have a very unfair and rude lack of knowledge about him, watch his other videos and he mentions it, and says it's not a separate sex, he knows about it
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@ProfessorChaos1349 it's not misleading, intersex is not a sex, it's a perfectly normal, nothing to be ashamed about deviation from the regular wonder of the universe that is binary biological sex. Think how amazing it is that biological sex occurred from evolution, but as has been said multiple times, intersex in most cases it's just a deviation from the regular biologigy, and in a super small number of cases, harder to define, not that we have to, but it's not some brand new sex. I have nothing against you supporting trans rights, but the term woman, referred to biological women since the Neanderthals and before, the idea that a bunch of political activists can appropriate this term, is just not a goer, it's the most important terms in the lexicon in this field, whether youb are using the french, german or japanese equivalent, so in that way it is perfectly acceptable for a scientist to use it in the way he uses it, he does not have to tow a political line, of using language in the way a particular trans rights activist demands, more so as some even want to ban the term biological sex, and especially when so many sorts of things, on womens rights, and society would be affected if we just take the trans rights activist position, as paramount, and ignore every other aspect of society being affected by these issues. So no, Dawkins is right to use the words he uses, not obey the Orwellian newspeak of the more aggressive trans rights activists. He can use the term woman, in the way he intends. Ps you have the right to use the term woman in the way you wish, but don't have a right to impose your definition of the word on Dawkins, but feel free to use it in whatever way you wish. Why do trans rights activists feel it is their right to impose vast swathes of vocabulary and radically new definitions of extremely important words on society, I think they have a right to use words how they like, but it is obviously political and domineering to expect everybody else to accept new definitions of the word woman, or use terms like assigned at birth, when it's observed.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 nuanced, that's a word that's being misused here, in the sense that fox news or pro Highland clearances people start their sentences with the words, no it's more nuanced than you think, then proceed to say what they think, that expelling crofters was perfectly ok, or trump's mean remarks on a issue should be forgotten. It's the same here, you say it's nuanced, but just say the inaccurate idea that sex is not binary as of intersex, when intersex is clearly not a sex. Also to appropriate the term woman, a term that has existed since the Neanderthals, and to not massively caveat the consequences of this, is either deliberately spin doctor style wrong, or super naive, . The way you use the word nuanced, is like someone at a party saying to the twenty other guests, well may I in a more nuanced way have all the birthday cake for myself. Clearly the trans activist position is to claim biological sex is a impossible to understand muddied thing, that is meaningless, so the only definition we should use to define gender is self id, or a version of that, when on reality, biological sex clearly exists and for well over ninety nine percent of people is a prime detail of them, so to deny it's importance is extremist and naive. And what about when biological males have gender affirming care, to be more like biological women, a sex change operation, and such, all this proves the whole idea of a woman is based on the proven reality of biological sex existence, and to deny it's importance is just a denial of rational observations.
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I think trans rights at its most extreme is nothing to do with feminism, in fact its quite the opposite, its people were assigned at birth male, expecting everybody to see them and their world view as what matters most, if anything its quite a pompous macho assertiveness. Also i think it actually descended off lgb rights activism, for 2 main reasons, what happened was, just like heterosexuals have various ways of being hetero, so do gay men, and some gay men see a varied gender spectrum element as important to their sexualities, so they see trans rights as integral to their sexuality, and identity, they are such a strong element of the lgb community, that this became a gay rights issue, then even though many gay men have a version of homosexuality, which is different, and sees the biological divides in sex as being fundemental to their, sexuality, these gays are ignored by what have become lgbt groups, then of course some lesbians care even more so seeing, the fundemental divides of biological sex as wholly important to them, then they were the free core of fighting intelectually against extreme trans rights in britain. They allied to a rump element of the right on this issue, and some free thinking figures on the intellectual left. The reason extreme trans rights did so well in the 2010s, was as gay rights was a massive left right political issue on the west till then, but then in the left wing Victory on gay marriage ,i believe the right surrendered, like iraqis to the Americans in the gulf war, or germans to the allies in 1945, and what had been a hard fought war of attrition became total abject absolute total surrender, so even right wing institutions surrendered totally on trans rights with no debate. The debate was picked up, and now even the centre left agree with much of the gender critical line, even after having voted aspects of trans rights through with no debate whatsoever. I mean we should have a world for all, that loves everyone, whoever they are, but most agree biological sex exists.
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Also undestably a lot of males who are attracted to women, had gender dysphoria, and their disophoria was coated into the lgb rights panorama, which made lgb so LGBT rights more pro the trans agenda, than against, so it be same part of the LGBT ticket. Which many gender critical people could not understand as gay seems so different to trans. Also the big difference with gay rights is this impact so massively on non gay people, so instead of the live and live way being applicable, people say, how can I live in this, if I don't ask for some reasonable boundaries. I think that's why so many things became pro LGBT rights, that's my dispassionate analysis there.
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@Lollero200q yes, let them be, but also have safeguarding for kids in terms of chemicals and surgeries, and for womens rights, have fair women's sports, where the best biological women win, let people be attracted to the sex they want, without condemnation, and have capacity for sex based women safe spaces. Let biological women and biological men be, as well, we all matter, not just some people. Love all. And you said on a manner of words you don't care if people ruin their lives, so don't pretend your on the caring side. A lot of trans activism is just people who don't care about the consequences, it's like dog eat dog capitalism. That kind of libertarian thinking is why the us has its fentanyl problem.
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😮Have you seen the Wikipedia article on gender critical feminism, it's just a Orwellian hit job, trying to link the centrist belief, with the far right. This is done by mentioning the words, conservative, far right, right wing, anti trans and terf, together over one hundred times in the article, like someone in a Orwellian 15 minutes of hate, but left wing and socialism, something most gender critical people are, is mentioned no times. Also i looked at Wikipedia article on Hitler, it mentions far right once, and in relation to where he is is in the photo, so Wikipedia is more nuanced on the most evil man in history, than on the moderate centrist belief of gender critical feminism. . I think gender idealogy believers are ironically the most far right Orwellian bigots , totally unprepared to listen to others.
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@denzellmovies good correction, it was someone called Zoey tur, who made that threat to shapiro. i am not saying running a marathon is masculine, but running 50 of them, to great acclaim, is not a famously effeminate activity. The whole idea of the word feminine is based on the idea biological women exist, and things they do are classed as feminine, things biological men do are classed as masculine, if a biological male behaves very masculine, and macho, but his brain waves are similar to a woman's usual brain waves, and maybe some of these such folk believe they are women, and some believe they are men, what should society do. I say we still accept biological sex exists, and is very important, and it's ok to accept it's important in policy making.the problem with your argument is that plenty of biological males who identify as women, who are actually as macho as most other biological males, so whats the big deal about the brain waves, why does that mean anything. Are you agreeing that if a biological male identifies as a woman, and his brain waves and patterns are similar to a woman's, then it certainly does not mean that he will be more inclined to statistically feminine traits in personality, of on average being much less aggressive, and certainly won't be the case he shall automatically a kind of shrinking violet, dainty feminine jane austen character lady, stuck in a biological males body. I am not being mean there, but if you look a trans rights campaigners and their aggressiveness, it's often far more macho than feminine, correct me if i am wrong. I mean I like izzard who is a great comedian, and labourite, but I remember one of izzards shows had a bit, where izzard was rightly proud of fighting back some thugs who made some homophobic bullying remarks towards said izzard,, while look at Riley gaines, when she had some aggressive bullies surrounding and intimidate her she did a normal feminine thing of seeking safety. I mean look at all these let women speak events where a bunch of middle aged female professors stand at a street corner just making a speech, and then tra activists make threats and come looking for a physical fight,, and have banners making terrible threats about what they dismissively and macho and dehumanisingly call terfs. Surely the brain waves or pattern thing does not change the reality, that biological sex exists.
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Losers, what sort of horrible bullying term is that. It's so Trumpian, so final, so dismissive, so lacking in humanity, it's better to be called a loser by a bully, than to give in toca bully. Let him be. Calling someone a loser, as they devote themselves to a greater cause, was Gandhi a losers,were his supporters losers, were the abolitionists losers, were the resistance losers, was Winston smith a loser, get maybe to you they were, maybe we should not care, maybe we should ignore problems, leave everything to special interest groups and oligarchs, yeah lets just give in, to the powerful, and not care, nah, lets not, you may not like that there are people who say no, but there are, so to all the obriens from 1984 who call the resistance losers, i seay to, you, let freedom roarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 🦁 Glory to freedom, glory to democracy glory to the resistance. We will never surrender, you will never have victory. We will have our own sensible liberal moderate kind thoughts, love, and be free, no to hate, yes to knowledge, truth, we don't have to surrender to orwellian demands. Biological sex exists, two plus two is four,
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So what if i am a weak and insecure man, if thats what i am, i am and I love being so, coz i am cool. But that does not stop jk Rowling and Riley gaines being right that there are important issues in this debate. I what you arrogantly labelI as a weak insecure man, whatever to hat is, can see why a woman would be upset at about biological males using their toilets, sports and r😖pe centres, and am sure most uncaring heartless big strong powerful.men are not affected by it, so dont care about the vulnerable biological women hurt by this crazy idealogy. How dare you see it as a sign of strengh to not care about women. Ps funny how you can now ignore the mad pronoun idea of refusing to accept the reality that men and women exist, when you want to throw typical pathetic trans rights extremists abuse at people. Laughably even your hateful abuse about gender critical activists, contradicts the mad Alice in wonderland mad hare mad hatters tea party idealogy that trans rights extremists boast about. Gender critical ideology is left wing, as it defends the vulnerable.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss it is Orwellian, as everybody who had any even mild criticism, to your slogans and laws was the victim of Orwellian campaigns to silence them, even jk Rowling, chapelle and Dawkins. It did not succeed for them, but people lower down, were sacked just for saying biological sex exists And we totally accept there are people who are trans, there is just a debate about women's safe spaces and sports, and the right of people to be attracted to the biological sex they choose, without condemnation by trans activists. Look at the Wikipedia page on gender critical feminism, it is just a Orwellian hit job, ninety percent coffee which is about trying to link it with the right and far right. No attempt to understand that some people believe biological sex exists, that we should treat trans with respect, but also biological sex exists, has consequences, and the law should be partly be moulded about that fact, not just Orwellian slogans of believers in gender idealogy. I mean even Dawkins video has been demonetised, on this channel, can you think of any gender idealogy videos demonetised, for saying their beliefs on n the subject.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I don't need to watch it again, I have a photographic memory, I don't think it is Fair that trans rights activists are so hate filled and belittling towards any disagreement. You have to be joking if you are literally assuming he does not know about the existence of intersex conditions, the guy knows a lot, it's safe to assume he knows they exist, even your big standard YouTube commenter on this issue knows they exist, now come off it, stop all the pretending to be superior attitude,when really he knows a huge amount on this subject, if you watch it again, you will realise that. I dont beef to watch it again as of my photographic style memory. I mean calling him dodgy, is horrible bullying.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I remember, as of my photographic memory, in a interview with gb news, Andrew Doyle, he mentioned intersex, he knows of the term, dont imagine you know better than him on such simple basics of the subject. The man has a IQ way above average so won't not know of that. Stop bullying and misunderstanding people. It's unpleasant and cruel. Why do trans rights activists have to insult and bully people just for saying stuff they disagree with, it's rarely arguing on the actual issue, as they have so little to support them, they just lob horrible hate filled cruel hurtful remarks at those who dont fall in line, just mean fanatics.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I am sorry I have a photographic memory, and assume everyone does, I am sorry you missed the points he has made, that's ok, but I would advise you to watch the video again, and you may realize and understand the points he is making, and see he is right. Yes you can bully and name call him all you like, just as many trans rights activists do in their overbearing arrogant ways about people who don't agree with them, but he is still right, whatever abuse you have. Watch the video and his others,like on other channels you will see what I mean.
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@operationgoldfish8331 insult insult, misinterpret and from there Insult, insult and defame, and insult insult and insult anybody who does not join in your bullying, that's what you have as someone has the temerity to not agree with you, watch his videos and try to understand what he is saying, don't bully him, don't name call him for disagreeing with you, stop hating people just for not agreeing with you. Let's hear what abuse and insults you have, any more bullying remarks about him , come on let's hear it,n to reveal once and for all if after all this, you are just a bully. What insults you got come on let's here it, got any more bullying remarks as someone disagrees with you. Gender critical views, are loving, and defensible, we do not hate trans people, we just acknowledge the obvious glaring in your face reality than biological sex exists, that is true, and sensible left wingers accept that reality, as left wing beliefs are based on reality, like biological sex exists.
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@operationgoldfish8331 You are usingndismissive terms like calling him or people who agree with him as maga or right wing, and such to delegitmise alternative views, . You misinterpreted his view on intersex, and then call him dodgy, I think really that counts as bullying. I am not going to look up what you advised, as you have proven yourself to be intolerant of alternative views, and clearly I don't think that having a gender ideology comisar on every and all discussions on this issue is at all democratic. I think trans rights activists hectoring bullying attitude towards those who disagree with them is just a sign they are Orwellian bullies. Trans rights extremists are just bullies, insulting anybody who dares to not agree with their beliefs. And I see you getting the insults on me now, as I called out your bullying, 👏👏👏👏👋 , let's be honest, if someone says something even mildly disagreeing with trans rights extremism,they will be called all sorts of horrible names, so no surprise there. Keep showing up that bullies dominate tra extremism.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I am disappointed in you, you have not stated any more bullying dismissive insults yet, surely you have more in you than that, come on, got any more cruel take downs, thats the typical way, I'm all ears. Yes apparently anybody who opposes people who bully, is a passive aggressive, thanks,. 😂😂😂😂, I suppose if a thug comes and beats me up, and I say please don't beat me up, that makes me a passive aggressive, pull the other one, stop insulting people. Stop name calling, stop labeling, stop calling people nasty names. To me that counts as bullying, so stop bullying people. Why are trans rights activists so full of insults, and so uncaring about people they disagree with. It's just amazing how unpleasant and rude they are about people who disagree with them. Just rude and hurtful activists.
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Andrew gold considers himself centrist and mainstream. He does not call himself right wing. You claimed wright is a paid influencer of the right, , you put in doubt his credentials, claim.ing he lacks mentions of intersex, even though if you watch his video, with Stephen knight, he talks about intersex the whole time. He knows this subject very well, and is honestly putting forwsrd a intelligent clear cut persuasive case. It is a very common thing for trans rights activists to try and bully and undermine people who criticize gender ideology beliefs, by claiming the person dies not know about intersex , when the person,whether it is Colin wright or Richard Dawkins knows more about intersex than the commenter does. I would definitely believe that trying to undermine someone by pretending they a expert on the field, don't know about something they do know about, is demeaning and bullying behavior. It is absolutely the case that trans rights activists do always try to undermine those who criticize gender ideology, by calling them far right, right wing or some such term, and they often try to undermine critics of gender idealogy, by lying about what they believe or calling I to question their credentials, often by lies about what the, the Richard Dawkins has never heard of intersex, is a common trans rights extremists lie, so sorry I have a antenna for knowing that a trans rights activist trope. All I am saying is don't bully, don't name call, just as people dont agree with you. He knows his stuff, and does not deserve bullying attempts to demean him. We all know trans rights activists often bully women who don't fall into line, saying the most atrocious sexist vile rubbish about them, sickening shameful stuff. This guy may wear glasses, but that don't make him a wimp, just like jk Rowling, he will stand up to orwellian bullies. Ps I am not saying trans people are bullies, I am saying that most trans activists and their supporters do bully, and that is proven, they try to drive out alternative options, and pile on guff, claiming anybody who does not agree with gender idealogy is a evil right winger,who should be quarantined as of they are terrible far right people. The jaw dropping reality, is gender critical people are treated by some media worse than actual far right people. Look at Wikipedia it bans the mention of biological sex, and it's definition of gender critical feminism is a hit job, filled with multiple mentions of the words, far right, right wing, hate, terf and all such. But it's arrticke on the most evil man in history, a h, of 1930s Germany mention s far right just once in reference to where he is in a photo. Shockingly it gives far right and racist views more freedom, than gender critical views. It disgracefully has a article on the n word, it describes far right peoples views in their own language, having quotations from a h, in the articles. It gives both sides of the view on the highland clearances, the proper view and the far right pro clearance view. But for gender critical feminism, it refuses to accept the language feminists use. So making their views unheard and utterly censored. The BBC and CNN allow extremists language, like assigned male at birth, as if it's some wild guess from a doctor what sex you are. If you search Google for biological sex, it lists condescending confused articles based on extreme gender idealogy, of denying the firmness of their being sex. There are even high up articles like titled myth of biological sex. You are wrong to ignore the arrogance of this orwellian idealogy, that denies glaring realitirs, all for the sake of a puritan style zealotry of the unthinking mantra of trans women are women, which is ok fir you to believe, but not fir you to have as the national slogan and devotion, the idealogical Puritanicalness of this neo quasi religious movement should be opposed like any other orwellian rubbish. Truth to power
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@katelynnblatt9614 well thank you for your answers, very interesting points. I don't agree with your conclusions, but certainly a lot of knowledge there, thank you for the information. Now I don't believe it's relevant to mention race in this discussion, as I am from a generation where we dont discuss race, I am not sure about the kilinefelter stuff, but interesting. Well I think if Mr Gold had you on his show, you would need to slow down a bit, and keep to the general issues he is discussing. So good day to you, and if you ever get on this show, it shall be interesting to watch, but best to slow down a bit first, so a reasonable discussion can be had. Otherwise it will be impossible for specific points to be answered, without a muddying of the waters. I think biologic sex exists, but maybe we have nuanced disagreements. Thank you for your answers. Sorry that's all from me, but good day to you, and may peace break out between the gender critical and the anti gender critical. It would be great if you could be on this show, or a debate with a other podcaster, not putting any pressure on gold. So maybe better if you were on a other show, like someone less famous, as a start off, and if that's popular, he should have on his show.
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But I dont think it was just that, I mean Ronson is great, and has done some fine stuff, fab fellow. But he kind of on this issue, some people critisise him for making a documentary on this issue, where the trans right activists were painted as all sweetness and light, and the concerns of the gender critical women, were not really given equal weight, it was kind of all, hey lets all come together on the angle the trans rights activists want. Which was quite typical of the current debate and way laws are enacted by centrist and centre left and even centre right parrties at the moment, (well untill the right and in Britain the left, realised its a vote winner, as GC ideas have credance and are right). And bizarely this was a place where there had been a murder by a extreme very untypical trans rights activist of a gender critical campaigner. I think it was the Dana Rivers case, it would be like doing a video on the troubles in Northern Ireland, and acting ;like only side had people who comnitted violence oir unfair acts, and that the othger side is all sweetness and light, which even many Sinn Fein or DUP supporters would kind of be a bit perplexed about. I mean I wish some kind of compromoise could be made, that accepts everybody, including gc requests, but I think even Ronson feels he has to apologise a bit, for missing the Rivers case from his documentary, so its understandable people are perplxed he made such a untypical Ronsson video, and probably media should be told, hey hang on here whats all this about when it misses major things. It would be like doing a documentary on World War Two, and painting the Americans as pure baddies, by just ignoring Pearl Harbour, and saying America declared war on Japan for no reason what so ever. Or a documentary on JFK visit to Dallas, that utterly ignores the assassination. The same here, I mean GC people have some concerns and certain people totally ignore their reasonings and act like they are just horrible bigots and even call them Nazis and bigots just for querying anything to do with this issue.
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@7king8debs79 it is not, as we live in a world where aspects of this idealogy are being imposed, with no thought of the consequences or explanation, and only the gender critical campaigns, have averted the silliness. Jk Rowling has been framed as a bigot, when she clearly stated she no problem with trans people, she just believe biological woman exist. And how could you bring up p the legit fears many have around this issue, without being called a bigot. It's impossible. He mentions some have abused the sillier aspects of the new laws, and gets called a bigot for doing so. Should we pretend these things are not happening, treat the victims like statistics, to ignore, and then we won't be called bigots, but also won't help those suffering from the daft and horrible parts of this in thought out radical change from above. Debate was needed, with reasonable safeguarding rules, but also a loving acceptance of trans, while accepting biological sex exists z has consequences, and needs to be attended to in laws.
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Linehan was not the judge, and also dankula went to jail as he refused to pay a small fine. Stop acting like what dankula did, which was a poor taste joke, was some gandhi or mandela like act. Much worse things happen to people than happened to dankula, even on school busses and playgrounds every day, stop remembering an unimportant slight from over 2 and a half centuries ago, and live your life. There are people begging on the streets, and your still wailing about something linehan had no power over, and does not even believe any more. Even the guy Dankula does not care and forgave him, good grief. And it gave dankula a career. Why do you pick on linehan about this, what's that about. I mean under your mentality nobody should ever forgive anybody for even the mildest thing, that's a recipe for chaos. Linehan was not the judge.
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If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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No, he is right. He is not half way to being wrong, he is just right. The problem with the sapolsky idea. Is that even if you believe that a biological male who identifies as a woman, identifies as a woman because they're brain tells them they are a woman. Maybe because their neurons are the same as a woman's neurons. Even then, the reality is, biological sex still exists. So in all sorts of statistics, biological males who identify as women offer the same risks as biological males who identify as males. So, yes a biological male may believe that he is a woman, but because of his instincts and so many things about him, then he has the same level of threat towards women as other biological males. Look at crime stats, trans women are closer to cis males, at many important crimes, per population. Whether it is certain violent crimes, or s🤒x offences, I I am not saying they are more of a threat. They are not more of a threat. Also in sports they have those advantages as well, and the rest of the population can see they have those advantages and certain personality traits, that biological males, who identify as men also have. Look at the debate here. Gender critical women debate like, by writing eight thousand page tomes, and sit at tables speaking like a jane Austin character, about why they want trans people to be respected, but biological sex exists, and has consequences on biological women and biological men, so biological women exist, while trans rights campaigners have Hamas style slogans, with threats against their opponents on banners, which also use dismissive terms about what they call the terfs we ho they are threatening. Then they try and ban people from having gender critical views, and label them in a dismissive macho way, like only really powerful aggressive biological males can do. Surely the reality is gender disphoria exists, but it does not stop biological sex and it's instincts existence.
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Who cares, why should a intellectual be bothered about anything other than intellectual pressures. Lots of working class people agree with him, it does not matter if some dont, as facts matter, not class, race or politics. Evolutionry biology is nothing to do with class, he should focus on the beautiful facts he knows, like on gender, and let clever working class people listen, the gin Alley dunces lot can keep with their gin and fighting. Ps loads of working class people agree with him, yes some don't, but those people dont matter more.
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But they don't mind working with Jimmy carr, who made the horrible remark about gypsies and the Holocaust, or many other people who have said worse jokes than that. Some of them even defended Carrs joke on that issue. They all love to work for the sun, or telegraph if it offers them a role, or be interviewed by them for their glossy magazines. It's hypocrisy, anybody who speaks out on this subject, with normal mainstream views like Dawkins, Chapelle or Kathleen stock is the victim of a hate campaign, from activists, and to some extent quarantined by mainstream media, who should know better, and they should be tolerated for their normal mainstream beliefs, just like we do in a democracy, they should not be shunned, in a bullying manner, or sent to Coventry for quite mainstream beliefs. As they are often right.
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But Australia famously has a chip on its shoulder about British people. Surely Aussies should agree that race science is wrong, as if 19th century race science was true, then Australia would have the IQs of the convicts sent there. Surely Australia was like the opposite of sending your best and brightest to a space colony. It had the poorest, and criminals sent there, but still as of democracy and culture, and resources, is super wealthy, with many of the best sports people, and minds in the anglosphere. Surely if race science is right, it should be a bedraggled cesspit, of poverty. The same goes for the USA, which also had many of the poorest sent there, but also did very well.
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@ScorpionSuerte nope, I posted the most comments, so win, and corrected your poor spelling, which was right at the end of a comment, like someone making a speech, and putting a bowler hat on their head, which to their surprise was filled with custard, I get the points, for noticing the mistake. You lost as you did the error, I win as I pointed it out, like the story of the emperor's new dress.
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@stevel9914 he killed millions, caused a war that killed 40 million, I mean come off it. I oppose crazy ridiculous extreme trans rights ideas, but it's not as bad as AH. Ah regime did murderous experiments on live twins, and killed children as of their race. It was a million times worse than even gender idealogy. They put opposing nations soldiers in camps, and slave labour, of which many died, they bombed cities from Guernica to Coventry. They invaded over a dozen countries in Europe in just a few years. They fired Jewish people from their jobs to such a crazy extent, that some of those Jews were genius level people who sided Oppenheimer. And are you now saying ah was pro christian, I thought most feel he was a typical mid Century agnostic. The swastika was a kind of pre Christian symbol, they were not Christians. Also in the end the wars ah caused saw russia run riot over Germany. So it was not even a good thing for his ideas. I mean as of ah crazy ideas, and foolish decision to invade Russia, by a few years Germans were brutally expelled from lands where they had lived for centuries. All because of ah macho dream of lebensraum. His wat loving, imperialist ideas were appalling. And weirdly ironically some of ah people actually did forced experiments on people against their will, even worse than the worst of gender idealogy. And going on about porn, well he was not that great a figure in terms of Christian sexual norms. He had a affair with a relative of his, geli raubal, has sex before marriage, and three of his lovers killed themselves. I mean that's hardly normal. Also what's your view on ah friend rohm. Here is a weird fact, the ussr banned homosexuality in 1933 as they associated it with German millitarism, what a weird fact. Anyway, I don't think banning gay porn, is a good excuse for the nazis. Also mainstream anti trump GOP guys like Kemp have cut down gender idealogy. And ps there were lots of Germans on the good side on the war, fighting with the US army, like Eisenhower.
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but what if somebody believes it is their identity, and has a affinity with ostriches, like in the jungle book. I mean who are you to say what's acceptable or unacceptable, I'm not saying you don't have that right, ,but what makes it so, you can judge them on this issue. What's the big picture here, on the ostrich question, the right or the wrong. And who are you to say it is cartoonish. What if somebody believes they are a ostrich, surely that is possible, it must be, as people have done much more unusual things than that. And what about the perfectly well respected idea of native American spirit animals, like eagles or bears, isn't that identity.
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@denzellmovies well then it makes the comparison not offensive, some people were offended when Dawkins compared a biological man. identifying as a woman, to identifying as a dog, but are you saying these people are being reasonable or unreasonable,if its ok to identify as a ostrich. Are you saying it's ok, to say they are a hateful ignorant out of date, bigot, to be compared with n,azis and racists and homophobes, if they don't accept the person is absolutely a ostrich. Like what most trans rights campaigners say about gender critical critics of the gender idealougues. To be honest, I don't think identifying as a ostrich makes you a ostrich,band I think mild gender critical views are pretty much a sensible way forward. We should be tolerant to trans, welcome them into society, but also accept biological sex exists, and we must decry those who bully gender critical believers. Muitos apolgencia, if I sound a little hot headed there. I mean no offence. Have a great time.
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@denzellmovies 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢?ernie the ostrich, 😊? ?well maybe i have talked too long. That's where I leave this thread. Other than this, you are absolutely correct to have found out that some people believe gender, is a term that refers to identity and self expression, and some people believe it is more correct to define it by the same way we define sex. This truly is a interesting place for varied opinions. Well done you for looking at this subject, and deciding that you believe it refers to identity. What is your view though of those whose belief that gender as a word, refers to sex as well. Surely it's ok for them to choose that as the definition, just as some people who believe in gender idealogy, think the term women, should also include what they refer to a trans women. Do words matter here, can people use the terms dependent on their interpretation. Good week to yourself. Ps I am not saying anybody is lying about anything, so don't put words on my mouth there as i know one tool trans activists have, is to higher the temperature of the debate, by making allegations, about those on the gender critical side, to make it sound like they are just hateful and should be ignored, when in reality, all that has happened, is sometimes gender crirical people they are not Always agreeing with their opponents very rigid one dimensional terms, or interpretations.
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@Rhyds86 the chief rabbi of the Simon wisenthal institute advised he be taken to meet concentration camp victims, to see why mocking the victims of the Holocaust is not a good thing, so not everyone thought it was a heroic brave act. Would you be ok dude, if a islamist trained his dog to do that, I would be a bit worried if that occurred, and recommend a look at it by the authorities, but are you one of those extreme liberals who would say the police should not mind and we should tolerate islamist extremists doing things like that, I don't think so. I also oppose people pooing on war memorials, are you one of those extreme liberals who support desicration of our war graves for a laugh, I hope not. We need more decorum in our society, lock up the thugs and the louts, put young thugs and drunks in national service, teach you some manners ,some respect, good morals, less of this laughing at the weakest in society, teach you some respect, ps the judge was just having a laugh at his expense, he was just having a joke, so that makes it ok what he did on your book, huh, just a joke ha ha. Knew it would rile up, lolz. Lol
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@Rhyds86 Funny you think it's ok to mock victims of the Holocaust, but whine away dourly for dankula all day long, I ain't saying dankula deserved to go to jail, for the wokesters joke, but do you defend the wokesters for their prank joke, of locking dankula up, do you defend the wokesters for that prank. I am sure not. You defend pranks against Holocaust victims, but not pranks against comedians who mock Holocaust victims, hypocrisy.why do you oppose the pranks of wokesters, but not of non wokesters, and ps, linehan as far as I am aware, and correct me if I am wrong, is not a judge a d has no legal authority in Scotland, or any other country, as far as I am aware and correct me if I am wrong, he is not Scotlands judge dread, deciding all arrests and sentences, his words are not laws, and he does not decide who gets jobs, otherwise you should be thanking linehan for dankula being interviewed by pears morgan, and getting a job as a ukp Candidate, as obviously in your view linehan has total control over all the words hiring practices, of every country and person on the globe😭😭😭😭, ps I am being super ironic.
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@markpong5435 but surely it's as there top universities in places. I mean when Germany had the top universities it won that, but as of the war that stopped. I am sure in the medieval and roman era, Italians would have won every novel prize, in the dark ages, the Chinese, in the neolithic, a bunch of Egyptians and iraqis. In the 18th century, Scotland would have won every novel prize there was. Scotland made most of the greatest inventions in history, which would have annoyed a certain nationality to the south, as it was part of the richest empire, booming. And had the best education system there. Ps my Korean car is pretty good. And well done the Basques as well in circumnavigators. Dont let anybody slag off the Basques.
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Putin invaded Ukraine, and you can't blame them for the Israeli Palestine war, what do you think they should have done, just surrender to Russia and Iran. I mean you can believe that if you wish, but surely they are just following post war policy on Ukraine, and us policy on Israel, it's not their fault Hamas did October the 7th, or that Israel was recognized by the USA decades ago. I mean they are not war mongers, they never invaded anywhere, and looks like Iran and the Palestinians fear trump more which is why they gave up the hostages just before he arrived, before he gave Israel even bigger weapons and the green light to be even tougher. I mean Biden has almost let the taleban and Yemen do what they like, gnd has not been invading them either. I think the only place you have a argument is Israel , but even there if USA did not give Israel weapons, it would probably see some mass invasion the other way around, and horrific expulsions , so it's difficult to say what to do there. The thing I find annoying is Iran and Russia supposedly launched their attacks as they thought Biden is a weakling, when he showed that he was not prepared to just let allies be walked all over. Then when Trump comes to power, threatening a madman tactic, all these horrible dictators say, ok boss, we will free the hostages, and give you what you like sir. Even Yemen, they never attacked Israel, Biden makes the Saudis stop attacking it, and lifts sanctions on Iran, so Iran and Israel decides well that's the time to attack. I mean what's the point, so on that case, internationalism and being nice is not rewarded, only horrible psycho brinkmanship is seen as acceptable by these anti Western powers. But surely the problem with that, is either you always surrender, like trump did in Afghanistan, or you act bellicose and cause a war, like Germany in world war one. I think internationalism is right, but you can't just lay down to invaders surely.
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Stewart Lee is working class, and adam buxton is upper middle class, both are high status individuals. And fine comics. But linehan and gold are class acts, for standing for the truth on this issue. Great blokes. I don't think the elite are class bound, i think its more like 1984, i think Orwell was painting a picture of British intelegica, left and right, of living in a academic bubble, that looks down on the lower less educated, as to be ignored , to be kind of looked down on a bit. I mean in some ways we are hyper egalitarian, but look at this debate, where yrans activists, and elites kind of see average public opinion, as brutish, ignorant and prole, i think the book Orwell was almost like a parody of British elites in some ways, merged with the horrors of soviet communism. Saying that, there are good thinks about British elites, left wing, and upper class, that we need,band even of some aspects of the ussr, like its equality, and space.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss that was a very long essay, and I have not the time to answer all. It's too tiring. But gender critical people do not want to oppress trans people. Dawkins and Rowling are not calling them freaks, they would treat them politely and as human beings,. Like he did to Jan Morris, All they are saying is biological sex exists, and has consequences, and law should therefore be structured with that reality in mind. A biological male who identifies as a female is much a threat to women, as a biological male who identifies as a man. Also I would say be who you want to be, but also accept biological sex exists. I condemn anybody who bullies people for being trans, but gender critical feminists have a problem with trans biological males who identify as women in women's sport as of them being biological males, not as they are trans. Also to be honest I would say the people at the bottom of society in many ways, below trans, in terms of their treatment are the homeless, the severely mentally challenged, the severely disabled, some criminals, some victims of crimes even after the crimes , afghan women, thelidimdide sufferers and the like, i mean look on the bright side. On some things trans are actually quite elite, like there were three trans roman emperors, so let's not pretend you are like pathetic creatures, your not treated like jennifer Lawrence or arnie in their prime, but few of us are. I get called horrible names as well, but I don't twist this into reasons to blame nice people like jk Rowling.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss why do trans activists always compare biological men competing in women's sports, to black women competing in women's sports. It's really racism to say that. I mean why do they never say, well if it's ok for young white canadian daughters of the liberal middle class to compete in women's sports, it's ok for big tough biological males to compete. It's as they are racist. Also jk Rowling is a hero, for standing up to Orwellian bullies, who twist her words, . And nobody said those boxers are trans, they say they are intersex, which is very different. Also look af Rachel devine, that's someone with power, who has used it for trans rights activism as well. And I agree most people in power at not at all trans, but it is wrong to ignore the concerns of others, with throwvawayvdismiss
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I dont hate trans people, if we had a trans pm, I would have no problem, if I had a trans work mate, I would have no problem, if i had a trans kid, or wife or husband , or doctor, i would not mind. By gosh trans are no threats to us whatever per say. What I hate is bullying trans activists calling people names, for saying biological sex exists. I abhor that, as I hate people being condemned for saying inoffensive truth, that people should just get over and accept. When you consider there are guys with no arms and legs, or who are blind and such, who don't go around hating everybody for not agreeing with everything they say, it gets on my nerves that people call Dawkins and Rowling names when they are nice people, just for not agreeing with then, and there are plenty of gangsters, dictators bullies, thugs and skinhead, racists, and bullies fior them to hate, but these bullies pick on jk rowling, for defending biological women, from a nuanced feature of debate. Stop calling people horrible names for not agreeing wholeheartedly with your idealogy, stop being bigots, it's horrible what extreme trans activists say about nice decent left wingers, just for saying biological sex exists and has consequences. Stop calling people bigoted, or ignorant or far right, just as they say biological sex exists. We should love everyone non trans, and trans, but don't call people bigots for saying biological sex exists. Stop it, it's not nice.
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But the boomerang is a super intelligent invention, could you dream that up, even my hero Andrew Selkirk, did not do that, surely the rest of the world was so linked, it built off each other, Chinese gun powder and paper, the silk road, Arab scientists and European ones as well. Surely if Australiia had been off the coast of Japan or Spain, it would have got that tech sooner, and has been the same level as the rest of the world. Look at rural parts of Europe and China which were in bronze age poverty to 1900, look at the fact there were aborigine teachers and scientists even in the 19th century. And all the aborigines I have seen on tv were cleverer than a IQ of 60, look at the poverty of st kilda in 1900, which was part of Scotland, probably the most advanced nation on earth in the 19th century.
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Why are people so obsessed about thus dank fellow. As far as i am aware linehan is not in charge of the British justice system, and has no power over anything that has ever happened to him. A so has dank apologised, and have you apologized to the jews who died in the Holocaust, who he mocked by training his dog to get excited at the mention of gassing them. A weird and strange thing to do. So when is your apology. What if a Islamic extremist did what Dank did, would you see him as a hero if he did that., I hope not. What has happened to people today, they just seem to be self important people who demand they be allowed to do whatever they want without any idea of decorum. Horrible bullies insulting JK Rowling for saying biological sex exists, and other unpleasant people proclaiming they should be allowed to make horrible jokes about the victims of the Holocaust, purely dehumanising and laughing at them, and then being upset for years when sensible people tell them they were wrong. I think we need more decorum, we should be condemning religious extremists, far right extremists and trans rights extremists to account, they are all different sides of the same coin, and it is good when the establishment condemn these movements., and limit their hateful ideaologies and lies. JK Rowling is right on just about everything. Make her President.
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The thing about all the Dankula fans, is the fact they are still griping about what Linehan said 10 years ago, which had no influence over anything. Then these hypocrits claim Dankula should be allowed to say whatever he likes, with no decorum at all. Can you see the hypocricy here, they still have their knickers in a twist over something Linehan said 10 year ago, which was probably just a brilliant joke by Linehan, but think Dankula should be allowed to mock the victims of the most horrible crime in human history. No Dankula did not decide to mock a powerful political leader, or celebrity or the perptrators of the crime, he mocked the poor innocent victims, (Which he spent a good amount of time training his dog to do) and these Dankula fans, dont condemn Dankula they condemn Linehan, just as Linehan makes jokes people actually find funny, PS I know most extreme trans activists are just far right people pretending to be trans activists. PS, are you wanting me to apologise to Dankula as well, and you, Coz I aint going to,
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@CarlLo-mein-k3i all the evidence indicates that racists usually have low iqs, while anti racism people like Oppenheimer or Dawkins or such like have high iqs. Have you ever talked to people from various races, there is no way in a million years that IQs are substantially different for different races. I have lived a long time, and talked to people of different races, and there is not one , that to me stands out as all are mostly super intelligent, and there is not one that stands out as particularly stupid. I think IQs are remarkably similar worldwide, other than educational systems. Ps bringing in the chip on your shoulder rubbish, does not wash with me, it's just boring and the fact that the huge chip on your shoulder poor me stuff you trot out is your main obsession indicates that. Just talk to people of different races, and you will find your theory on IQ has no semblance in day to day reality. You can believe there were colonial injustices, and historical effects, without believing that certain groups need to be classed as evil. I don't think white people or East Asians are evil, but do realise, that history has effects on some places being richer or poorer. All you have to do is talk to people of other races, and it's clear. Also in the modern globalized world most advances are by globally sourced egg heads in top universities. A d you misunderstood what the word equality means, like in 1984, when ingsoc try to ban the word, and make it mean the same as same. It does not mean that, it means respecting all as equal citizens in certain situations, with certain caveats like law, or some such. Which most would want for them self. If you talk to people of different races, you will see there is not the huge difference you want to believe in. It's not me being politically correct, it's just what I have experienced in life, your theory that different races have naturally different levels of IQ, does not hold up to every day experience, and life. The reason most clever people dont agree with you, is the opposite of what you believed was proven to be true, by reality.
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IQ depends on many things, look at Massachusetts, a far higher IQ than most European countries, whereas most of the USA, is below them, look at most racists, most are very stupid. Weird al yankovic IQ is way above average USA or even Europe IQ, and no IQ test has ever found any group anywhere near his IQ, surely the IQ differences found are tiny, and probably caused by economics, really. Clever people have iqs in the 130 range, or 150, no race or nationality is anywhere near that. So iq differences are at most tiny and uncertain. And populations have wide variance. IQ is not racial, it's educational.
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@operationgoldfish8331 biological sex exists, two plus two is four, you can't hold back that truth, I don't know, somehow Orwellianism will be defeated, something will defeat it, the spirit of man, the truth, orwellian gender idealogy just won't win. You may consider gender critical views crime think, and condemn me for not doing duck speak, you may be considered doubleplusgood for your condemnation of me wright, on your five minutes of hate against him, But the spirit of truth wins, jk Rowling is right. P.s one of the people you suggested as a source said that jk Rowling should be arrested, under Scotttish hate crime law, something the authorities said would not happen, you should not be paying more attention to people who support Orwellianism positions like jailing people for saying things that do not go along with gender idealogy, you should find moderates, to tell me about. JK Rowling is good, and Richard Dawkins. Biological women exists. Ps I won't last ok up any sources you suggest, as one of the people you suggested tried to claim the horrible murder of a trans teen, which was a horrible thing to occur,nwas to some extent jk Rowling and other gc peoples fault,which one as a bullying orwellian method of trying to silence others. It's this hatefulness from trans rights activists that they must reduce.
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Very good, but is there a fear the Brandenburg tests only gets used for white supremacists, rightly we did not see it used regarding bin laden terrorists, they were all put in gitmo. Otherwise Doyle is brilliant, great stuff from him. There might be a argument for some kind of re-establish decorum, fining the costume guy, but I can't defend people being jailed, or especially if the law was never really debated, and is just a radical interpretation of the law, I mean at least if we now where we stand that's bad enough, but laws being radically reinterpreted is not on is awful.
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I don't think Dawkins has anything against adults choosing to do what they want to. Remember he has much respect for Jan Morris. But we do need nuanced laws, tolerating and accepting trans people, but accepting for safeguarding that biological sex exists, for sports, dating, and women's safe spaces. Also there are reasnoble debates about puberty blockers, and transitioning for non adults, and Dawkins accepts that, he is actually the moderate living caring centrist moderate view, neither hateful and nasty far right, or biological denying trans rights extremists. He has it just right.
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@ScorpionSuerte i did see Aled Jones in London once, but he was a adult by then, he counts as a choir singer, but why are you referencing those singers, what's your interest in them, is that you are saying the Welsh are great at singing as of genetics, if so, Shirley bassey and tom Jones, yes, that shows it's cultural as well, as both have heritage as well from outside Wales.😊 congratulations scoropin for your keen interest in the subject t if Welsh singers. Ps if there were any unpleasant connotations in your remarks, it shows the repulsiveness and sordid lowest of the low way, that racists normally are, normally racists are the worst in everything, in what is going through their minds and everything, unpleasantness, and low iqs. But I am sure you were only referencing that the Welsh are famed as great singers. Also you spell than, thab, which is not a sign you understand accuracy, so please never be a air traffic controller, or pilot, please leave that to people of all races, who have greater accuracy abilities, you unpleasant individual.
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There is no way iqs are.drastically different, if you ever met people of other races you will know they are pretty much similar in IQ. The range is probably a difference of ten at most, except for some cultural causations, like if a country has a national education system, with higher education for all its bounds to have higher average iqs, than one without. The differences in IQ are negligible, unlike voting for right wing and populist parties, which is often something done by people of much lower IQ, especially when you remember IQ is only significant when you get to 120 or 140, or down to 80, and no nationality or race , taking out cultural bias, of IQ tests is truly on either of any end of that spectrum.
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Rowling and gold and Dawkins would abhor anybody being bullied or beaten up for being trans. But in the debate on trans rights, definitely it's just macho slogans hate, and orwellianism and gas lighting from trans activists, v effete intellectual respectful tone writing, tip toe careful language gender critical people, who always say they respect trans people and oppose bullying v them. And the Dana Rivers case, and others are indicative of the aggressive nature of extreme trans rights activists, while Dawkins sitting at a desk saying he has compassion and understanding for jan Morris, is indicative of the GC side.hebis not effete, but gc women are. Indeed most mainstream trans rights campaigners believe people should be arrested, or fired or cancelled for expressing gender critical views, believing in a policy of fear, making people scared to be gc, which gc people do not believe in vice versa.
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