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He is not disgusted at them at all, he disagrees with certain agendas of the trans rights lobby, and accepts biological sex has massive consequences, so should affect laws and safeguarding rules to protect and defend womens rights and safeguarding, but he has compassion and understanding for them. .i would say his view is the moderate centrist sensible position, opposed to hatred and bullying and bigotry v trans people, supportive of gay rights, but also equally opposed to the fanatics who believe biological sex should not be classed as far more important than gender idealogy, and opposing the fantasies who deny the obvious glaring existence of recognition that biological women exist, as biological women rights matter. As does recognizing biological women exist, and this has consequences on safety and all that.
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I agree, that idea that any human with a IQ under 80, could function is daft, and that would be so for any neolithic or even mesolithic society. Some of the IQ tests claim Nepal has a IQ score, which is impossibly low. They claim scores in the fifties, for a country, with beautiful temples, beyond the design of the average person anywhere, and of whom, the great sherpas and gerkhas came from. How could sherpa tensing have climbed Mount Everest if he had a IQ of the fifties, he would have slipped to his death in no time with a IQ that low. How come so many gerkhas learned great English and were able to handle being great soldiers. The believers in racial IQs are fantasists. And hilariously most of them on this YouTube comments spell worse even than me. Even Bushmen and aborigine lifestyle need a IQ well over 80 to survive, what with their cultural stuff, if you watch how rich their cultures are, you realize they can not possibly have the IQs the racialists like to claim for them. I mean who invented the boomerang, or the pygmy cultures, that ray mears and the like see. There is no way iqs are all that different, that can't be explained for now by culture.
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In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤
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❤In most situations we don't need to care, and can be happy and inclusive, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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He is siding with well mannered middle aged ladies, and oppressed female athletes,who could be his relatives, and he would care more about them than anybody, as biological males are evolutionry designed to want to protect women, after all they did so much for use they gave birth to us, they nurse in hospitals in wars, they would do the same for us. Helen Joyce is not a mean girl, she is a maths expert, who has kids, and talks clearly and rational ly,whereas extreme trans activists argue like Orwellian bullies. Ps can biological males who identify as women be classed as mean girls.
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Yes, she is a hero, extremely brave for sticking to her completely reasonable totally uncontroversial vanilla beliefs, despite appalling attempts to silence, and utterly mis represent her statements. I honestly think she deserves a Nobel prize for standing her ground, when so many looked the other way. P.s, I am also proud Scottish civil society was so capable at criticising the new laws that jk opposed, some countries publics have just accepted what their elites wanted, but in Scotland their has been real debate and criticism of the law, not fawning obedience. If it had not been for that, I think Scotland would be seeing people being arrested for saying utterly trivial vanilla beliefs, but they have made the law now quite likely a unworkable laughing shops, by their campaign against it. And jk Rowling deserves most respect. Plus all the women and men who rightly condemned the most absurd elements of this new law, which organisations like s e x matters. highlighted so well. Plus to be fair the Scottish conservatives, who have a vote winner on this issue. Although there are minor parties like alba, who oppose aspects of the law as well.
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@benstark5320 it is a fair comparison. You just said, most, and clearly biological differences in height and physical advantages from being male still carry on, it's not clever to deny those realities. If Lisa Leslie had been born a man, instead of being 6 5 , she would likely be bigger and 6 7, these are clear advantages. A 6 7 woman would be 6 9 and so on.its unfair to disadvantage these brilliant women v people born male. Being born male, is like being born with a performance enhancing feature,that all the biological women don't have. Which is unfair. I don't mind shaq I neal or Lauren Jackson being better at me at basketball, it's brilliant there are men and women so good at sports, but it's unfair to have people in women's sports, when they had the physical advantages from being born male. It's like a performance enhancing drug, women don't get. Course that is super duper unfair.
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But if that is so, why are so many trans rights extremists so macho, as in not feminine in the way they argue. Lots of stats on crimes and all sorts, indicate, biological males who identify as women, have closer average stats on propensity to certain acts, to biological males who identify as men, not to biological women. Also the gender criticals debate, like women, as in effete intellectuals mulling and humphing and aaaaashing, over a glass of wine, on theory and facts. While trans rights activists shout aggressive abuse, and have totalist banners, or say things like abusive term for gender critical person, like terf, followed by threat against gender critical person. They treat their gender critical opponents like the worst thing you could be, as beyond the pale, which is a very macho aggressive way of arguing. So no the evidence does not indicate that biological males who identify as women, are really men with women's brains.
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😊If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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Did you do anything about the Rochdale girls, what a cheek to complain about people who live nowhere near Rochdale, not doing anything about something they did not know was happening. There are plenty enough men in Rochdale of all races, who could have noticed these things going on, and done something about it, look at the facts, women who are fifty percent of society, were seen as less important than less than o.5 percent of men, in the trans bathroom and sports debate, if they are that powerless, and need to be this loud to be heard, and make this much clamour, how much would they have been ignored regarding Rochdale. And don't pretend they were afraid of being seen as racist, as there are plenty of men in Rochdale who don't care what anybody thinks about them, who like Jimmy carr, Nigel farage, pubs, alcohol, and trump, what did they do, nothing, don't blame middle class liberals for something that they could not have even known about,. Remember the things said by male police during the Yorkshire ripper, case, claiming certain women did not matter, laughing at their problems when they were victims. Dont you dare blame nice kind relatively powerless middle class women for the men and powerful of Rochdale failing in this situation. You did not do anything about it, Jack, and you are a man, why did you do nothing about the horrible events in Rochdale, and also you did not protect t women in the trans bathroom debate, and you did nothing about Jimmy Saville. Ps I am not blaming all Rochdale men, but what on earth were all these people doing, while it was going on, social services and the police dont have that much power, what were the locals doing. What was general society up to. Don't they have any morals, or social cohesion, and don't blame middle class women for that , as you can bet your bottom dollar Helen Joyce and sal Glover would have cared, it's the locals, who don't care what happens to people who were to blame, and that's people who are not concerned about the problems regarding extreme trans rights activists, and people who abuse Rochdale kids. I mean a society that puts the rights of tickle above sal, is one where we need men to act and protect women.
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@tracygeddes5867 why does it matter either way, if it's only a word, and you concur that gender if it different from sex, does it matter that the word for biological women is separate from the word of trans women. Are you saying the essence of trans women has to be counted in the same category as biological women, if so, what's the reasoning. It would be nice to learn, I love to be informed. Or are you saying gender is something, but biological divides are not. I don't think it makes you any less of a person,whatever is decided, you are still yourself, just as everybody else is. I give up, I don't know what the aim of everything here is. Have a good day.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 But would you agree that the term woman, was never a term that only a obscure trade knew, people would have had such a term since the times of homosapiens arrival in Europe. It's not some never heard of idea, it's a term we couldn't live without. Probably even Neanderthals had a term for men, and a term for women. Additionally 99 percent of the words in any scientific paper are common a garden words everybody uses, like and, or, today, Tuesday, the number one, or man or woman.dont muddy the waters and pretend man or women are unknown words. They have a definition, and everyone comprehends that is a common term, it's fairly reasonables.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 but the word woman in the way Dawkins is using it, is the definition that has existed since the dawn of human language, it's only a political belief , a terminological sleight of hand, that is desiring to change the definition, purely for the sake of what could be called trans rights. It's not science that desired to change the definition, but a political idealogy,that had a set aim, so to pretend he is being wrong on the science, as some politically inspired people, want the term to be changed to what they want, is wrong, he is just not obeying the beliefs of people such as yourself.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 totally agree, that in itself, it is not offensive, but changing the language, and concepts of terms, massively important terms that have been used since the dawn of time, for the sake of a political aim, and not thinking about the consequences and affects it has on all societies and such, is unreasonable, and to them claim anybody who does not unswervingly go along with it, even if they have sensible criticism of the politically motivated change, to claim that anybody who does not unquestioningly go along with this change, is being something to look down on, i feel thats unfair.
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@themaestro3034 the thing that annoys me about trans rights activists is they are so rude, so desperate to insult, and overbearingly put people in their place. Of course it is legitimate to have points of disagreement on women's safe spaces, and women's sports, but all you come out with is insults. That's the thing that has pushed me away from the side I would naturally have supported on this issue, trans rights activists are just so abusive, overbearing and arrogant. I have no problem with trans people, most don't have any problem with them, they are just fellow citizens who deserve respect, but it's ok for people to debate the nuances of the issue, hopefully we will come to a reasonable answer, that loves everyone including trans people, but also biologicalwomen. So come on insult me and bully me for not agreeing totally with you, I wonder who that makes the bigot. Ps I would have no problem using trans pronouns that they want, and oppose people being bullied or sacked for being trans, but of course it's easy to just call me a bigot as I think women's sports should just be for those assigned at birth female. I say Dawkins, Moulton and Rowling are examples of people bullied just for expressing concerns that are perfectly reasonable.
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@CarsonDobos he is not targeting the most vulnerable minority. And what about the rights of vulnerable women, in safe spaces, who have been affected as of these Puritan zealous laws, of putting xy people in xx safe spaces. It's ok to discuss these issues, we should care about trans people, but also care about everyone. I mean in some situations trans people are vulnerable, like a school, where everyone bullies trans people, and we should protect them there. But sometimes trans people are not the most vulnerable, like there were three roman emperor's who were trans, it that MMA fight where a person who was trans brutally injured the woman..or when Riley Gaines was surrounded by trans activists and forced to hide in a cupboard, as of fear of what would happen to her. Sometimes trans are the most vulnerable and sometimes not, we should protect everyone, including trans people and others.
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@crowscoyote you can't give a example, the truth is, she said,.dress how you like and all that, etc etc, be nice yada yada, but stated biological sex exists, and to make a example of her, trans rights extremists declared war, and lost. She is nice and caring, unlike the hateful bullies who insult her all the time. It's not hateful to be nice to trans people, but to accept biological sex exists, and has consequences
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@madnezz1961 I don't want to put you out like that, don't waste your time on my YouTube remark, if you don't remember that's ok, please I hate to make people do work like that. I will accept you think it's transphobic, that's ok, you have better things to do, than watcha video just for my sake, and if I disagree with you, that would make it completely pointless for you. As it would just give you negative vibes, have a good day, Please don't I shall feel guilty. Good day to you. Thanks for your efforts. Nice of you. please please don't watch a video you don't like, just for me, 😭 it shall make me feel guilty. Thanks for the thought.
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@bencutting146 but in that case, if inequality and all this, are such big problems. Why are there people focusing on trying to put biological males in women's sports when they could be focusing on inequality and all the terrible things in the world. Like you you could have gone on a profile on YouTube comments and gone on about encouraging equality and encouraging socialism and encouraging,. Peace. There are 500000 homeless people in the USA, have you any time why have you got any time to write comments criticising those standing up for women's rights, and just stating the reality that biological sex exists it just does it's just a glaring reality, when you could have spent all that time arguing against homelessness in favour of better taxes on the rich for the poor. You could have been arguing for stronger links with Europe to increase our economy. Instead instead of something useful like that you're going on this comment section going on about a tiny unimportant issue that that affects hardly anybody, and all for the idealogical mantras that really few supports and fewer really believes in, wouldn't it be better if you just let people you know defeat the kind of trans extremist argument, and then just argue against homelessness and aren't you against war and argue against hate and argue against racism you know wouldn't it be better to do something more useful. And if you comment on this then I will realise that really your main interest is this issue, and really you're just interested in opposing gender critical beliefs such as belief that biological sex is important or belief that biological woman rights are important you know. Just don't comment on this just go on somewhere and argue against homelessness or are you against health inequality do that do something useful. Like in Scotland the Green party were elected on a manifesto of supporting the environment, and when the Scottish government said oh no we're not going to do this recycling bottle scheme, they said that's ok we'll stay in the government when really that was the thing they should have left the government about, but when it when the Scottish government said we're not going to have have puberty blockers in such a way anymore because of the cass report, they left the government not because of environmental issues not because of social issues not because of economic issues but because of something which really they had no idea about their not experts on puberty blockers they don't know anything about the subject they left the government over something that's nothing to do with the environment. Really the people that are unfair and jaded on this, are the trans rates extremists who are willing to leave government's lose elections,Ike happened to Kamala on this issue, but don't actually stand up for Peace don't stand up for a tax rates on the Ritz they don't stand up for social services they don't stand up for public services. They bully JK Rowling and they bully innocent women who are just saying they don't want biological males in women's sport. If the trans rights extremists who hate JK Rowling, and hate innocent biological female athletes who are just saying they don't want biological meals in women's sports had spent all that time focusing on on opposing homelessness, then they would have done something far more use. So hey I'm going to continue saying the truth the biological sex exists it does does it's a glaring reality and if anybody says otherwise I'm still going to disagree with them, I'm still going to say I think in reality women should be entitled to say you know there's such a thing as a man and such a thing as a woman because affects their safety and safeguarding, I am going to say trans people deserve respect, and nobody should bully them, or call them mean names, but also I'm going to argue for a socialism and equality and liberalism and freedom, but I don't think it's fair for you to claim that pretending biological woman and biological male don't exist is some kind of left wing idea because it isn't, what we should do if we should love trance people have part of our society they are as much part of our society as anybody else and I oppose any bullying against them but I do also believe that we should have a society where we accept biological woman and biological man exist and we should have laws that are new and accept that but we can also also have socialism and equality and freedom and liberalism.
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NoBut why do folk like Caitlyn Jenner, and Eddie izzard, who identified as trans but were born biological male, behave more like the stereotype of a quite macho man, specially before they transitioned, remember Caitlin jenner after transitioning threatening ben Shapiro in a debate, hardly a dainty feminine act. And Izzard was always running marathons, and dominating panel shows with a strong persona. Great person,, but what about their behaviour indicates they are more feminine than most men, which surely would occur, if there was such a thing as female brains. If men are from Mars and women from Venus as the book claims in a joke, what about them seems venusian. And both are still attracted to women, I mean can you tell me, in what ways they behave like a typical woman. And the typical extreme trans rights activist often is a biological male, arguing and debating like a aggressive domineering biological male debates, indeed often in a more mansplaining way, than most cis males. Please explain how that is so. Please inform me, as I love to learn. So as of that I think the gender critical idea makes sense, that biological sex exists, there is much variation in personality, sexuality etc in each gender, there are tougher men weaker men, homosexuals and heterosexuals and all sorts, and even biological males who identify as women, but that does not stop biological sex existing, and vice versa for women, females, and heterosexuals and homosexuals are as normal as eachother, but it does not stop sex existence.
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@Maksie0 I thought they said he signed up to a dating website, dressed as a woman, to show anybody was allowed to, which he thought satirized the idea of everyone being allowed to do that, isn't that a bit different to what you are saying. I mean it was not to dox people was it. And are you really categorizing everything he did in a fair way. Could you say the way you are describing what he did in these things is kind of spun to condemn him. If you described them in a neutral way they would not sound so bad, if you described the hem in a positive way, even more so. Surely it's fair to criticize him, but say what these criteria are,rather than just labelling insults. Please go into more detail in all the cases you mentioned, from a neutral manner, and say why you feel they can be regarded as hateful things to say. And though I like Tennant, he can hardly criticize strong language after what he said about that politician. Al him referencing the naz, Is, well who don't, trans activists always use the term for even mainstream centre left opponents, I mean he should not, bug it's just normal aggressive anglosphere debating language, trump called Kamala a commie, Dems called trump hit, ler.
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@jakejones5736 I have no problem with with people of any race competing in women's sports, as long as they are women. I think it is quite racist to compare black biological women competing in women's sports, to biological males competing in women's sports. Why do trans activists always try and undermine the legitimatcy of black people in in sports, by comparing them being in women's sports, to biological males in women's sports. Why do they never say,well if we allow middle class white women in women's sports,surely we should allow biological males. I think it's as trans activists are not right, they don't understand that all biological women should be allowed in women's sports, regardless of race, but there is a reasonable debate to not allowing people born male, in women's sports. Ps we must never hate trans people, and they should have free happy lives, welcome in our society, but it is ok to say women's sports should just be for biological women, it's the whole reason we have women's sports.
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I think Kier stamer was right to say this judgement brought clarity, it has been an issue that has harmed the left across the Western world, on some issues the left have to accept that they are the servants of the people, and most people currently do not agree with the belief that a trans woman is as much in every way a woman as a biological woman. Maybe in a couple of decades if that is a popular belief among everybody, then it can be what this state has, but till then I think you have to recognise what most people think. Also I think we also have to acknowledge, at 100% yes in many situations the trans woman, is the most vulnerable person in a situation, but in some situations it is the other way around. A big strong individual who was born a biological male, will in certain situations, such as women's sports, and women's prison cells, be the least vulnerable person, surely a sensible nuance society, accepts the sense of the gender critical position, but also learns a kind of tolerance towards trans individuals, I certainly don't think it's fair, the castigate women who are doing something which is pretty normal, there are clearly situations where a biological woman will feel threatened when a biological male is present, and it is ok to have certain safeguarding rules to protect their rights, whether that biological woman is the richest the most powerful in our country, or the poorest female glaswegian shoplifter who's in a prison cell in some Scottish prison, their safeguarding still matters, and it was right the Scottish people stood up and spoke up when the Bryson case occurred. I mean nobody would call a biological woman a bigot, if she said she felt threatened walking down an alleyway with a biological male following 20 metres behind her, because it's a sensible innate fear for women to have about their own protection. So we should not be surprised that there are some biological women who are threatened, just as much even possibly more so, by the thought of there being biological males whether those biological males identify as men or identify as women in their safe spaces. I don't think it is fair to call women bigots as they have a quite nirnal evolutionary created fear of the opposite gender, in certain situations. It's not toxic to recognise that. We should be nice to trans people, And to understand the fears that those women have.
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That is a typical toxic response from trans rights activists. Trying to frame what the other side said in the most extreme and offensive way you possibly can. All you do is push everybody away from you and push everybody away from you. How can we have some kind of common ground, if you try to frame everybody else who has even the mildest criticism of you as an extremist. Hellen Joyce did not say the things you said in the way you said it. What you have done is frame something she said, in the most extreme way you can, so you can paint her in the most extreme way you can. If you listen to what she says she is clearly a moderate on this issue, and all she said was that there could be problems in the future, in terms of the potential very high number of detransitioners, who would be people who would need long lasting support as of the very powerful chemicals that were used in the transition processes. She was not asking for some kind of genocide, but every trans rights activist deliberately misinterpret what she said, the problem with that misinterpretation, if you do not own every single Media organisation in the world, so it is very easy to see that she didn't say what you said in the way you're saying it. So all that happens there, is the few things you're able to say in the media, are obviously discounted a statements that a misinterpreting whatever people said, so people are pushed away from any level of support for the trans rights activist position. And the people who know Helen Joyce and Helen stanilan, know what they believe, and know what they say and read their books and understand they don't have those extremist beliefs that you claim they do, so all that happens, is your side give out messaging which is obviously as strong as a creampie, while the gender critical people argue with very intelligent statements about the reality of biological sex and all that. Which is way in many court cases and in many dinner parties your belief system, is destroyed because of it is just powder puff, Robert gender critical arguments have rigidity and strength and rational reason behind them. What Helen Joyce is obviously saying, is that the chemicals that did the transition process was so strong, and the surgery was so final, that if it is the case that this was are some people think now they may not be right they may be wrong, that this was a kind of a social contagion, then there will be a very high number of de transitioners, and these people will need medical care for the rest of their lives out of the chemicals and such used in the process of transition. Now she may be wrong she may be right, but obviously she was not calling for a genocide, she was talking of the potential risks, that if this was a social contagion, and some people argue that because of statistics they claim exist around Hollywood children, which may or may not be true then there will be problems to do with the transition and the healthcare cost of that in the future. She clearly was not calling for a genocide, every interview in speech to have made obviously indicates that fact that she was not calling for a genocide, but the trans rights activists argue that she was, the problem with their argument, if all you have to do is read a book or see a speech from heen Joyce and see she is not supporting any form of genocide whatsoever. In fact Helen staniland, is probably anything mildly to the left in terms of trans rights, in his support for much toleration and understanding and compassion and kindness, compared to the vast majority of the population of the whole, for whom the majority position at times borders on, just not being bothered about the issue or the people involved at all, like Americans about their massive homelessness of problem. Helen staniland actually wants good things to happen to these people who suffer from gender dysphoria, whereas most people are not really all that interested and are more concerned with their own concerns and lives so would be individualusts about this, uncaring Like American's about homeless people. The truth is the only people following this issue, know that Helen Joyce does not support a genocide, so when they hear translate activist claim through ridiculous mission interpretations of what she said, that that is what she supports, all you do is prove to those human beings who are reading about this, that the trans rights activist side, is toxic and not be taken literally, and that the other side is actually reasonable and something to listen to, all you do is give credence to the Hellen Joyce Helen staniland side, which is sensible as they are moderate decent centrist people. And in due course all moderate centrist decent liberals, will agree with their moderate sensible decent liberal positions, of opposing genocide, of being nice to trans people, but acknowledging that biological sex obvioudly exist and is very important when we have safeguarding rules for women. Really what it is, is that some people believe that biological sex is very important when looking at safeguarding rules between men and women, and who should be in women's sports and things like that. Some people believe that for the sake of ideological reasons, what some people called gender ideology, or trans rights activism, that we should ignore that. The problem with the trans rights activists, is that instead of understanding that there are two main political positions that you can look at and that we should come to some kind of intelligent compassionate compromise, not agreeing with their political position, memes that the person is evil beyond comprehension, so they desperately dream up all sorts of horrible terms names and beliefs and statements about, anybody who gives even the mildest criticism of their beliefs. Whether that is Richard Dawkins, the supreme Court judges, kemi badenoch, a world renowned children's author, Chapelle, etc, that is the problem you have when waiting into this debate from the rational gender critical side. That you will receive laughable toxic insults from very extreme out of touch with proper debating styles, extreme trans rights activists.
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❤In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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@pipinpip as people fear defending him, if you speak up on this topic you are the victim of a hate campaign. Look at Kathleen stock fired from a university for stating sex exists and has consequences. Look at Helen Joyce Rosie duffield, Joanna cherry and ash Regan, victim of hate campaigns and cancelling for their views. Look at Richard Dawkins, Chapelle, Gervais and Rowling, huge attempts were made to cancel them for their view that biological sex exists. Plus Joe Rogan really had that against him. If you are too big, the campaign falls flat, as most people agree with them on this issue. But small fry like social workers or dance directors were fired for saying biological sex exists, till jk Rowling funded compensation cases for them. Linehan is in between neither big or small fry, which is why he has been cancelled by powerful pencil pushing high level managers, normally people I support, but not in this case, from his career of his choice, but revitalized as a standard bearer against this orwellian idealogy.
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@cozy_2X I think if a Islamic extremist, made jokes about the British victims of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attacks, they should be out on a watch list at the very least, and probably prosecuted for national security reasons. I also think the same about white nationalist extremists. The most dangerous at the moment are Islamic fundamentalists, for certain. Do you agree with me that if someone who is pro extreme Islamic fundamentalism is mocking the victims of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attacks in Britain, that we should not have your wishy washy, namby pamby , anything goes attitude, we should be prepared to prosecute those supporting that kind of hate. Ps I also believe the people who bully gender critical people, a d who discriminate v them, should face prosecution. As jk rowling is right.
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@porphura4448 but there have been cases of abuse, and JK Rowling would say, 😊 a biological male who identifies as a woman, does not suddenly remove themselves from safeguarding concerns, biological meal is a biological male whether that biological male identifies as a woman or a man, identifying as a woman doesn't negate the safeguarding concerns. That is the JK Rowling View. Any more than saying you're from Swansea or Moscow or New Zealand would negate concerns. A biological male is still a biological male whatever they identify as. A a biological male is still a biological male, whether he identifies as a woman, whether he wears glasses, weather his favourite colour is green, Weber he enjoys folk music, he is still simply just a biological male.
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@jackspring7709 I have not said anything anti any men. I have bigged up Bronson, and Wayne, two role models for most men, and said men should protect women, which most would be proud to do. What did you do to protect the Rochdale victims other than blame a beautiful community minded Australian woman, who has likely never been there, and likely would support any society effort to root out the individuals who did those abuses. The fact you go on here and try and blame a stunningly beautiful Australian woman, of so little power, she was ordered to pay a fine for not adhering in every way to ultra woke values, shows you are hardly a well focused campaigner. I would guess you are just a malcontent firing abuse at random people over a issue you have not done much about. Correct me if I am wrong. Bring to my attention anything you have done it achieved in connection to the Rochdale abuses, give me evidence you achieved something in opposing that. Give me proof it was you personally who achieved those things. What did you do, to stop the abuses, all you seem to have done is blame a beautiful Australian woman, someone on the other side of the world. She has done something to beat silly ideas, in standing up to orwellian idealogy, what have you done in terms of Rochdale, if you don't give evidence I think we can assume nothing, except blaming a attractive Aussie, who nobody in their right mind would put in the top seven billion people, of people responsible for what happened in Rochdale. Sall is a hero. You have not given any evidence of being such. Please correct me if I am wrong, what have you done, to be seen as anything approaching her campaigning spirit, give evidence, she put her head above the parapet, what have you done,
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Why don't these people pushing for biological men in women's sport, stop that unimportant aim, and campaign against homelessness, or poverty, or something useful. Very few people want assigned at birth male, in women's sports, but helping the poor and needy would be a noble cause. Talk about a agenda, when we have poverty. I mean think about it, all these campaigners for biological males in women's sports, could spend their time, feeding the needy, clothing the poor,
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When I say the term woman, I mean it in the sense that every tribe in history had such a word, and every language, and it is one of the most important words any language has, I am sure when homo etectus developed language it was one of the first thousand words, and it meant biological woman, as most people in society means by it, in every land today. Don't pretend a confused unclear idealogy that is trying to appropriate the word, is society, and if you think the word is unimportant, don't write loads of comments about it. Also if you think Dawkins does not know about intersex, you have a very unfair and rude lack of knowledge about him, watch his other videos and he mentions it, and says it's not a separate sex, he knows about it
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@ProfessorChaos1349 it's not misleading, intersex is not a sex, it's a perfectly normal, nothing to be ashamed about deviation from the regular wonder of the universe that is binary biological sex. Think how amazing it is that biological sex occurred from evolution, but as has been said multiple times, intersex in most cases it's just a deviation from the regular biologigy, and in a super small number of cases, harder to define, not that we have to, but it's not some brand new sex. I have nothing against you supporting trans rights, but the term woman, referred to biological women since the Neanderthals and before, the idea that a bunch of political activists can appropriate this term, is just not a goer, it's the most important terms in the lexicon in this field, whether youb are using the french, german or japanese equivalent, so in that way it is perfectly acceptable for a scientist to use it in the way he uses it, he does not have to tow a political line, of using language in the way a particular trans rights activist demands, more so as some even want to ban the term biological sex, and especially when so many sorts of things, on womens rights, and society would be affected if we just take the trans rights activist position, as paramount, and ignore every other aspect of society being affected by these issues. So no, Dawkins is right to use the words he uses, not obey the Orwellian newspeak of the more aggressive trans rights activists. He can use the term woman, in the way he intends. Ps you have the right to use the term woman in the way you wish, but don't have a right to impose your definition of the word on Dawkins, but feel free to use it in whatever way you wish. Why do trans rights activists feel it is their right to impose vast swathes of vocabulary and radically new definitions of extremely important words on society, I think they have a right to use words how they like, but it is obviously political and domineering to expect everybody else to accept new definitions of the word woman, or use terms like assigned at birth, when it's observed.
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@ProfessorChaos1349 nuanced, that's a word that's being misused here, in the sense that fox news or pro Highland clearances people start their sentences with the words, no it's more nuanced than you think, then proceed to say what they think, that expelling crofters was perfectly ok, or trump's mean remarks on a issue should be forgotten. It's the same here, you say it's nuanced, but just say the inaccurate idea that sex is not binary as of intersex, when intersex is clearly not a sex. Also to appropriate the term woman, a term that has existed since the Neanderthals, and to not massively caveat the consequences of this, is either deliberately spin doctor style wrong, or super naive, . The way you use the word nuanced, is like someone at a party saying to the twenty other guests, well may I in a more nuanced way have all the birthday cake for myself. Clearly the trans activist position is to claim biological sex is a impossible to understand muddied thing, that is meaningless, so the only definition we should use to define gender is self id, or a version of that, when on reality, biological sex clearly exists and for well over ninety nine percent of people is a prime detail of them, so to deny it's importance is extremist and naive. And what about when biological males have gender affirming care, to be more like biological women, a sex change operation, and such, all this proves the whole idea of a woman is based on the proven reality of biological sex existence, and to deny it's importance is just a denial of rational observations.
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I think trans rights at its most extreme is nothing to do with feminism, in fact its quite the opposite, its people were assigned at birth male, expecting everybody to see them and their world view as what matters most, if anything its quite a pompous macho assertiveness. Also i think it actually descended off lgb rights activism, for 2 main reasons, what happened was, just like heterosexuals have various ways of being hetero, so do gay men, and some gay men see a varied gender spectrum element as important to their sexualities, so they see trans rights as integral to their sexuality, and identity, they are such a strong element of the lgb community, that this became a gay rights issue, then even though many gay men have a version of homosexuality, which is different, and sees the biological divides in sex as being fundemental to their, sexuality, these gays are ignored by what have become lgbt groups, then of course some lesbians care even more so seeing, the fundemental divides of biological sex as wholly important to them, then they were the free core of fighting intelectually against extreme trans rights in britain. They allied to a rump element of the right on this issue, and some free thinking figures on the intellectual left. The reason extreme trans rights did so well in the 2010s, was as gay rights was a massive left right political issue on the west till then, but then in the left wing Victory on gay marriage ,i believe the right surrendered, like iraqis to the Americans in the gulf war, or germans to the allies in 1945, and what had been a hard fought war of attrition became total abject absolute total surrender, so even right wing institutions surrendered totally on trans rights with no debate. The debate was picked up, and now even the centre left agree with much of the gender critical line, even after having voted aspects of trans rights through with no debate whatsoever. I mean we should have a world for all, that loves everyone, whoever they are, but most agree biological sex exists.
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Also undestably a lot of males who are attracted to women, had gender dysphoria, and their disophoria was coated into the lgb rights panorama, which made lgb so LGBT rights more pro the trans agenda, than against, so it be same part of the LGBT ticket. Which many gender critical people could not understand as gay seems so different to trans. Also the big difference with gay rights is this impact so massively on non gay people, so instead of the live and live way being applicable, people say, how can I live in this, if I don't ask for some reasonable boundaries. I think that's why so many things became pro LGBT rights, that's my dispassionate analysis there.
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@Lollero200q yes, let them be, but also have safeguarding for kids in terms of chemicals and surgeries, and for womens rights, have fair women's sports, where the best biological women win, let people be attracted to the sex they want, without condemnation, and have capacity for sex based women safe spaces. Let biological women and biological men be, as well, we all matter, not just some people. Love all. And you said on a manner of words you don't care if people ruin their lives, so don't pretend your on the caring side. A lot of trans activism is just people who don't care about the consequences, it's like dog eat dog capitalism. That kind of libertarian thinking is why the us has its fentanyl problem.
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@jeromemccollom936 it's a red herring really, 99.9 percent of people are one sex or the other, a tiny percentage are truly intersex, which is not a sex in itself, surely it's mostly binary, and with some rough edges, like every word, like cake and biscuit z or tree and bush. Or van and car. But it's really a unimportant red herring.ps some males or females have some intersex elements, but all are ok. There is nothing wrong with being intersex. Surely people say this, to make sex seem some impossible to understand topic, so then gender identity is regarded as more important, when really even that is based on sex.
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What a unpleasant rude thing to say. She does not look anything like she is trans, she looks like a pretty young blonde woman, and there is nothing wrong with that. And your horrendoys untrue remark is a nasty mean cruel and hurtful thing to say about a young biological woman. Shame on you for being nasty, or to be honest, if you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman, that's nothing to be proud about, at all. And quite something to be embarrassed about. I can tell, as I am a red blooded male. A real man. Any red blooded male can tell the difference between a man and a woman, full stop, evolution made us. Ps no offense to the trans person, but no way is it a sign of intelligence to not know someone was born a woman, it's not clever or righteous, it is simply a lack of acquired skills,.
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Very clever man, sure he does lovely conversations, but I disagree on his saying he is a monarchist, I mean he talks about people who were not monarchs, the leader of China and Singapore, surely north Korea is more of a monarchy than them, and mao who he opposed was more powerful than deng. Also he blames the Sauds partly for the Uighurs, and it is is a monarchy. Also he glories in Elizabeth the first, but she was not that different to the thing we condemn Cromwell for in Ireland, England was in severe depression when she finished her reign, and she had lots of Catholics killed, and loads of Baptist's died in her jails, due to ill-treatment, i mean i could not have done a good job as her if i was ruler at the time, but she is no great symbol of royalism, and look at henry viii he killed loafs of rebels, wives and advisors, and heading off to russia they had iva the terrible at the time, who was massacring whole cities, and had rebels killed by his army, so i think he needs to find something 😮better than monarchy. Look at Russia in the 1600s at fell in population by a third as of misrule.
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😮Have you seen the Wikipedia article on gender critical feminism, it's just a Orwellian hit job, trying to link the centrist belief, with the far right. This is done by mentioning the words, conservative, far right, right wing, anti trans and terf, together over one hundred times in the article, like someone in a Orwellian 15 minutes of hate, but left wing and socialism, something most gender critical people are, is mentioned no times. Also i looked at Wikipedia article on Hitler, it mentions far right once, and in relation to where he is is in the photo, so Wikipedia is more nuanced on the most evil man in history, than on the moderate centrist belief of gender critical feminism. . I think gender idealogy believers are ironically the most far right Orwellian bigots , totally unprepared to listen to others.
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@vasilysidorov9502 so in your own experience, is it is easier to beg with a dog, or without, and do you in your experience feel using a placard while sitting at train station, is better than not. You seem a expert on this begging, I want to know, have you begged much. If so, sorry, and I hope things get better for you. ❤ There is always hope, and many who can help you. A good hot soup kitchen is good. I have given money to the homeless, and support charity. Pus a effectual state, and good kind values. Chin up, keep positive. Sorry
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@JC-1405 but there are laws in this country where it's illegal to discriminate against people, for protected beliefs.and believing biological sex exists, is a protected belief. It would be wrong to fire people for voting labour, or Tory or lib Dem or green, or brexit, it is wrong to discriminate against people just as they expressed opinions that are perfectly legal, and the vast majority of all people, including Richard Dawkins, JK Rowling, Robert Winston and all our last four prime ministers, indeed possibly every pm we have ever had,have some level of agree with. These people for all I know may be full on believers in extreme gender idealogy, and hate him as they disagree with his point of views, but they had no right to ban one of the greatest comedy writers of a generation for him not falling in line with gender idealogy zealotry. Surely
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@JC-1405 yes it is, if you speak up on this topic you are the victim of a hate campaign. Look at Kathleen stock fired from a university for stating sex exists and has consequences. Look at Helen Joyce Rosie duffield, Joanna cherry and ash Regan, victim of hate campaigns and cancelling for their views. Look at Richard Dawkins, Chapelle, Gervais and Rowling, huge attempts were made to cancel them for their view that biological sex ecists. Plus Joe Rogan really had that against him. If you are too big, the campaign falls flat, as most people agree with them on this issue. But small fry like social workers or dance directors were fired for saying biological sex exists, till jk Rowling funded compensation cases for them. Linehan is in between neither big or small fry, which is why he has been cancelled by powerful pencil pushing high level managers, normally people I support, but not in this case, from his career of his choice, but revitalized as a standard bearer against this orwellian idealogy.
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There have now been six first ministers of Wales, alun michael, rhodri morgan, carwyn jones, mark drakeford, and Vaughan Gething, and all were Labour, i wonder who the next shall be, obviously Labour, i am not sure if the next after that will be labour, plaid or conservative, as it will be a mid term of stamer election, i predict labour will win, but maybe plaid or the tories could sneak a win, so maybe the eighth first minister shall not be labour, or maybe they shall. 2026 is the date of the next Welsh election.
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@madnezz1961 Thank you for your response, I just think, saying, so and so is transphobic, because they had someone on the show, who you regard as transphobic, does not cut it with me. Otherwise someone could say anyone is transphobic,without supplying a reason they regard them as so, and say therefore that means they are transphobic. I mean on that basis everybody on earth is transphobic, as you say Dawkins is transphobic as he had Joyce on his show, then don't explain what he as transphobic about him or Joyce, then does that mean the guy here is transphobic as he had Dawkins on his show, does that make you transphobic as you watched this YouTube video. I mean that does not cut it with me, I think transphobic behavior, is someone shouting abuse at a trans person, or banning them from being a secretary or something just for being trans, I don't think we should regard making clear unhateful comments about biological sex existing,which we all agree it does, and saying there should be limitations in terms of who competes in women's sports, and uses women's safe spaces, I do t think it's is fair to regard that a transphobic, as to be honest it's a reasonable debate, maybe we should go for the trans rights viewz or the gender critical view, but uts a ok debate, as long as you respect trans people as our fellow citizens deserving of happiness which Dawkins a pal of jan morris, and joyce a kind mother, do.
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I am not going to address every point you make, my main annoyance is people being called transphobic for saying biological sex exists and matters, I don't think it's fair to call people hateful for expressing concerns about biological males in women's sports, or biological males in women's safe spaces, or for questioning other elements of what is occurring. When people like Dawkins were friends with Jan Morris before most of his haters were born. And we should not live on data alone. There is a old saying there are three kinds of lies, lies,damned lies and statistics. I believe that people's experiences are vital to our understanding of the world x and the letter he received is as much evidence as anything else. the stats can be moulded and manipulated to argue any cause, while a simple letter like that can show how people are actually experiencing life. Also the stats argument can say things like, well it was only one person, one life, one stat, whereas that letter listed to a real person and treated that person like a real life, so he was good to do that.
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@madnezz1961 But that is the massive thing that we are talking about. What language should I use instead, please tell me, as I feel there is a legitimate argument against some of the alternative terms. What terms should I use instead. I think if I said trans woman, it would sound like I think trans women should not be in women's.sport as they are trans, which is not so, the reason people oppose trans women in women's sports, is nothing what so ever to do with them being trans it's the the fact biologicl sex exists. And it's utterly unfair for you to say I must use language which misinterprets the reason I am giving. It should not be classed as transphobic for someone to say biological sex when that's what they are talking about. It's utterly unfair and mean to demand I change my language to suit one point of view. It's like in newspeak when they tried to ban some words so it would be impossible to even think a different way to the ingsoc orthodoxy. It's so unfair for this to be your demand, and your calling transphobic for just saying something that biological sex exists, which everybody says even trans activists accept, its just so mean and unfair. We don't hate trans people, we just say biological sex exists and that is not hateful. I would never say anything mean to a trans person, I would try to make them feel comfortable, and accept them, even used their pronouns, but you are saying I can't use a term, you accept exists, how do you square that, I try to be a good person, and hate bullies, but why do you try to make me feel guilty for using a term that you accept is true, and we all know is true. How can that be offensive. Please tell me. I mean if we use the term biological sex it does not in any way change someones gender does it. A trans woman is still the gender they choose, all that is happening is we are highlighting the issue of interest, the biological sex issue, which we all accept exists. And when that is the issue at hand it matters, if it is not the issue at hand it does not matter. It's like it would be mean for a NBA player to call me short all day, but if I kept asking why I can't reach the net, it would be ok to say, it's as I'm shorter than most NBA giants, if it's the issue at hand it's ok, if it's not, it's not, but in this issue it is. I mean think of it this way, when people oppose trans women in women's sports they don't oppose non binary women footballers, they do also oppose cis men in women's sports, it's nothing to do with them being trans, that makes them opposed to them being in women's sports, so it is utterly unfair for you to demand we use a term, that is not what our beliefs are about,vwe don't oppose trans women in women's sports as they are trans, or as they identify as women, we just want women's sport to be kept for a particular group, that can only be phrased in a way, that you are unfairly labelling as unacceptable language,even though you accept that such a group exists, the initials are b w, and it's not a offensive term in the context of this debate, as it's what we are talking about.
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@madnezz1961 I mean like this, if someone says they object to trans women in women's sports z and some says why, isn't it ok, how do they say it in clear English. How can that be said in a way you tolerate as acceptable. Surely the only way you can say it is to mention biological sex, which you accept exists, just like it's sometimes ok to say someone is tall, or short, but not to say it all the time, like when you are ordering food at a MacDonalds etc. how can we debate these topics if done the language being used, essential to one sides argument is banned, when it's not in itself offensive. It's not a gratuitous thing to mention, when it's the whole nature of what one side is saying. It's completely unreasonable for you to demand we use your language when that language distorts what we are saying. You may be right, you may be wrong, maybe trans women should be in women's.sport and safe spaces either wholly or partially, but it's unfair to take away the language we use which explains what we believe, when even you agree those factors are true, I mean that's unreasonable. I say we should love trans people, but it's ok to debate the nuances of laws and how they Impa ct everyone, in a participating democracy I would not minid if friend or relative or the pm or anynody was trans, or even a royal, or the two guys here, all I am saying is its ok to sensibly debate the nuances.of this issue, and it not hateful to do so. Love to you, and great happiness to you. And happiness to trans people as well.
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That is a dreadful thing to say. This is the aggressive tactic of trans rights activists to say the most horrible things they can about JK Rowling, the problem for your activist, is everybody knows what she said. She has never said the people of colour don't look female enough, she was referring to some specific athletes, where there has been controversy about. She was not saying it because of their colour or their race and that is obviously the case. As look at the fact she has been willing to criticise athletes, of all backgrounds, and ethnicities, on the biological women's sports issue. She has supported Riley Gaines over Lia Thomas. And many women of colour agree with the JK Rowling position, for instance wnba great Lisa Leslie, has expressed concern over the inclusion of biological males in women's sports. Rowling also criticized The White Italian paralompian who competed in the women's events. The way you have described us very unfair and offensive, and incredibly rude. She also has defended the greatest woman tennis player, Serena Williams from racist haters. Everybody who understands this topic knows that is not what she meant. So all that has to happen is reasonable people look at this topic and see how extreme and hysterical and unreasonable your side are, and they just can't listen to your arguments. And she does not engage in Holocaust denial. That is an atrocious thing to say. You are not helping your side by being so aggressive and unpleasant towards anybody who speaks out against aspect of your beliefs. You must learn to be more understanding. I know that is not possible, so this is why this announcement by the supreme Court, was not treated with the horror that you may have expected from a liberal middle class society, it is because your side have been so unreasonable to people who have made even the slightest objections to any element of your beliefs.
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@Tamos40000 You tell me, I have not written anything about fever dreams. Please elaborate. All that has happened, is there are a lot of people who don't like the fact, that she comes from a position, that states biological males and biological females remain that whatever they identify as. So as of that a lot of people want to get at her, as an example, they want to make that an opinion that is not allowed to be believed or stated. That's all that happened. And there will be people who will keep on grinding at her and grinding at her, but it doesn't stop the reality, more and more and more people have come to state the same thing, so it has been impossible to suppress the opinion she was being condemned for, no matter what horrible things people say about her. Why can't you just accept she has a different opinion to you, somebody having a different opinion to you does not make them beyond the pale. If anything you're doing a Barbra Streisand effect on her. When it would have been far more sensible to have said, you're entitled to your position, and I am entitled to my position, but we can still be friends.
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@Tamos40000 I have just looked it up, and as far as I am aware, JK Rowling has never supported the burning of books. In fact if anything, it was the anti JK Rowling activists, who wanted to ban her books, and cancel her video game, even though it had a trans character. It has been the people against gender critical beliefs, who have been trying to ban and cancel, trying to ban Kathleen stock from speaking at Oxford, all sorts of things like that. I remember there was one book seller at Waterstons, who said that all a US female authors gender critical books should be burned, and they tried to cancel Chapelle, and get Rosie duffield expelled from labour. It certainly is not the JK Rowling side, that have been trying to censor and ban cancel. Remember that SnP, member of Parliament, Joanna cherry, she was banned from speaking at a comedy club because she had gender critical pro JK Rowling opinions,, it was not the gender critical people who have been the censors, it has been the trans activists who have been trying to ban people all along. It's like this, I may not agree with every tenet of communism, of of every one of its thinkers, but it does not mean I support burning their books like the Nazis did to communist books. I don't support every element of anti gender critical idealogy, but I don't support burning the books of anti gender critical authors. The comparison by your side is I feel a extreme and bitter campaign against gender critical people and their works, and you know, not capable of understanding that there's an alternative position to the anti gender critical side. It has pushed everybody away from you. In 2016 your side had popular support, but the constant kind of hyperbole from your side has pushed everybody away, so something that would never have been possible in 2016, the supreme court judgement has made a huge decision and there has been no popular opposition to it. This toxicity of this debate is awful. Why can't we just be nice to trans people, but acknowledge the position that biological sex exists is acceptable. Also there was a dance company founder, who was fired from the company she founded, for expressing mildly gender critical beliefs. There was a guy in the music industry, who experienced the same stuff, he was fired because of a campaign to get him fired for making vanilla remarks on puberty blockers, which to some extent of been supported by the cass report, a a Newcastle United fan, who happened to be a lesbian, was banned from the club, ironically owned by the famously not pro gay, kingdom of Saudi Arabia, as she made mildly vanilla gender critical remarks. Thete was an attempt to jail a woman in Norway, for not accepting preferred pronouns dependent on self identity. And the jailing of a teacher in Ireland for not adhering in every way to the new ideology. In fact your ideology is so extreme, that on some considerations you're not even allowed to mention biological woman, in a mild vanilla debate on trans rights,which is so largely new speak it's ridiculous.
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@Tamos40000 I don't think she has denied that books were burned. To me the comment she is making, is it criticising a political position, is completely ok, and is not the same as burning the books of those people who have those beliefs. I don't agree with every Marxist philosopher in history, some people interpret a marxist leninist, as different to a maoist, I myself am more a traditional social democrat, who admires certain egalitarian beliefs of the left. But that does not mean I would ever support burning das capital, or the Little red book. I can disagree with somebody's political beliefs, but it does not automatically mean I support somebody burning their books. But the extreme trans right position, seems to believe that if you don't agree with every aspect of their beliefs, then that makes you exactly the same as somebody who is burning their books, which is completely unreasonable to think. I am sure they would have burned George Galloway's books, I would condemn that, I don't agree with everything he believes, but here somebody who disagrees with elements of trans rights fundamentalism. If a Nazi burned one of George Galloway's books, the fact that a trans rights activist, disagrees with the position of George Galloway on this issue, does not make that trans rights actiivist, a Holocaust denier. The same goes here, the fact I don't agree with every aspect of trans rights ideology, does not mean I support burning the books of people who do support it, and it is absolutely the case, disagreeing with aspects of trans rights idealogy, does not make someone a Holocaust denier. Your form of shoehorning in that claim, is is literally beyond belief.
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@Tamos40000 but your claim seems to be saying, that if you don't agree with someone's political beliefs, that that is exactly the same as burning their books. Therefore if you don't agree with them, then your denying the Holocaust, but only in the insultingly litoral sense, that Holocaust, means fire. No I disagree with your political beliefs, but I don't support burning the books of your political opinions, and in the context of the Holocaust, the Holocaust refers to the murder of 6 million Jews and many other minorities. As someone of sonne gypsy heritage myself, I feel it is quite sick and quite disturbing to pretend that burning a book equates to the same as killing a human being. I don't support burning books but burning books is not the same as murdering millions of people. It's absolutely disgraceful to put them in the same pedestal. I condemn the burning of books, as I would assume jk Rowling does, but that is a whole different level to the Holocaust killing people. JK Rowling should be suing these people, and actually the anti-defamation organisation should be suing them as well for comparing the burning of books to The killing of millions of Jews. JK Rowling should sue them for claiming she supports burning books, and the anti defamation league should be suing them for equating burning books, to killing people. And the biggest irony of all, is it is the trans rights actiivists who have been doing the cancelling and some of even talked about burning the books of gender critical people.
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@Tamos40000 the truth is extreme trans rights activists don't like JK Rowling, because she doesn't agree with the idea of declaring biological woman, a subset of woman, and renaming them chest feeders, or some other unpleasant dehumanising term like that. As shown by the fact, Graham Linehan is banned from British comedy for his gender critical stance, but jimmy carr, made a joke which many said glorified the murder of gypsies in the Holocaust, but he gets to present shows, with the same comedians who refuse to work with Graham Linehan just for saying biological sex exists. And PS I would not want to be friends with somebody as unpleasant, desperate to find reasons to dislike someone, and rude at you anyway. But gender critical people and people of all stripes, should still try and be friends and friendly with, people who happen to be trans etc. but we should be nice to trans people and also accept biological sex exist. And I don't agree with discriminating against people for being trans, nobody should be fired for being trans or harassed for being trans. But I do understand that there are complex debates and nuances which recognise clearly biological sex exists, it is a glaringly obvious fact, and it is not bigoted for biological woman to to haveam safeguarding rules about biological males, and in many cases that is about their sex not their gender identity, as it is the sex the biological sex which is the thing that creates the concern. So it is a reasonable debate, and we should lower the toxicity, and accept there are concerns which biological women women have which we should listen to and understand clearly. 😊
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@Tamos40000 she's not denying they burning of the bookd, she is denying that criticising elements of trans rights ideology, is the same as burning books on trans rights idealogy. And even if she had denied the burning of those books, it would not be the the same as denying the killing of 6 million Jews or, gypsies, and as . myself , as somebody with gypsy heritage, I myself see the difference between burning groups of people like myself, and burning a book which is just made of paper, as completely different things, and I am offended that you are comparing burning books to killing human beings. Please apologise to me, for comparing burning pieces of paper, to the Holocaust , which was about killing people of my ethnicity. And unlike those trans activists about GC books, she does not support the burning of books. You should admit that your claims are monsterous, and the insult to the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust, and the 250,000 gypsies off my ethnicity, who were murdered by the Nazis. You should be ashamed of your disgusting miss interpretations, and it shows how the dreadfully toxic your campaigns are. And anybody who knows anything about the subject of what she said and what your claiming, knows that what you are doing is disgraceful. Shame on you for trying to equate not agreeing with every tenet of trans rights positions ideology, with the murder of 6 million Jews, shame on you, you should be very ashamed.
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@Tamos40000 you did not provide proof, you provided proof that she were shocked, that somebody would claim that criticising elements of trans rights idealogy, is the same as burning books on the subject. And they are not the same. Then you claimed that if she had done that it would be effectively Holocaust denial, and I as a person who has a member of an ethnicity that was killed in the Holocaust, find it incredibly offensive for you to compare burning a piece of paper to killing human beings. This just shows that trans rights extremism, is a hateful idealogy, that tries to think of the most hurtful and hateful things it can about people who disagree with it. It is an extremist ideology, as it represents anybody who disagrees with it as beyond the pale. That is not true about gender critical people, Isaiah prepared to debate with their opponents on the issues, rather than dehumanize the people who are putting forward the opposing political views. Your brand of trans rights activism is clearly a unpleasant aggressive attacking viewpoint, that is not compatible with democratic debate of understanding of other people's views and beliefs. You have chosen to dismiss other people, and think of the most offensive things you can about people of different opinions. This is more like a kind of a Russian nationalist tactic of attacking with hate filled extremism anybody who disagrees with you. You haven't provided any real evidence of your claim, and you should be ashamed of your disgraceful attacking of a person who hasn't said what you claim they say, as far as the evidence you indicate. And considering all the evil people that are in the world who you could malign and condemn, all the dictators and kings of dictatorships. It speaks volumes about you that you have decided to attack a beloved children's author, and horribly misrepresent a tweet that you have seen. And the fact you haven't apologised to me a person of Gypsy ethnicity, for your claims, also speaks volumes. Shame on you.
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@Tamos40000 thinking about it again, even though I don't agree that she was denying that specific books were burned during the Nazi regime.I don't think that most people consider the burning of any book, as really a car part of the Holocaust, the Holocaust describes The killing of 6 million Jews, 250000 gypsies and many other minorities, when people talk about the horrors of the Holocaust they are not talking about the Nazi book burnings. It's not a technicality, a human life is more significant even than the most valuable book in history. So for you to be calling her a Holocaust denier, over the burning of a book, a claim about her you haven't provided evidence for in my view, is just a symbol of the hatefulness of a lot of trans rights campaigners, of wanting to think of the most horrible hateful thing they can think of about people who disagree with their opinions. The Nazi book burnings were a Nazi book burning, that is a different thing to killing lots of human beings, you should be able to recognise the difference between the Nazis killing a human being which was a horrible horrible horrible thing for them to have done, and the Nazis burning books which was terrible, but not comparible to killing people, that's not a technicality, the Nazis killing a person is different to the Nazis the burning a book. You should be able to see the difference.
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@Tamos40000 you have not provided clear evidence that she did deny that. And even if she did say that, which you have not provided evidence for, that is not what your side claims. Your side claimed that she has a Holocaust denier, I have seen that stated on Wikipedia articles from around the world. When she clearly is not a Holocaust denier. Your side are making horrible horrible horrible ghastly claims about her, because you can't defeat her on the main point, but she doesn't agree with your categorisation that biological males who identify as women get classed with biological woman. So because she doesn't agree with that, trans rights activists say the most horrible horrible horrible things about her, and then absurdly don't see these horrible things, about people with power like Putin, or kings of Arab countries, who are doing fireworks things to LGBT people. Shame on your people's terrible lies about her. You have also used weasel words, to not deny, the ghastly horrible vial claims about her. You have not denied those vile claims about her, which is typical of trans rights extremism, which all too often is a woman hating macho uncaring offensive ideology, that attacks it's critics in the most horrendous cowardly ways they can think of. You should be ashamed that you have not condemned the vial criticisms of her, you have pushed all decent thinking people away from your agenda, and USA and Britain are right, to look away from your activism. And I don't think any sensible person, regards every single thing the Nazis did as the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a specific and horrific event, find it undermines it's status if JK Rowling, you put burning a pile of books, in with the horrific murder of millions of people including my ethnicity, shame on you.
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@denzellmovies good correction, it was someone called Zoey tur, who made that threat to shapiro. i am not saying running a marathon is masculine, but running 50 of them, to great acclaim, is not a famously effeminate activity. The whole idea of the word feminine is based on the idea biological women exist, and things they do are classed as feminine, things biological men do are classed as masculine, if a biological male behaves very masculine, and macho, but his brain waves are similar to a woman's usual brain waves, and maybe some of these such folk believe they are women, and some believe they are men, what should society do. I say we still accept biological sex exists, and is very important, and it's ok to accept it's important in policy making.the problem with your argument is that plenty of biological males who identify as women, who are actually as macho as most other biological males, so whats the big deal about the brain waves, why does that mean anything. Are you agreeing that if a biological male identifies as a woman, and his brain waves and patterns are similar to a woman's, then it certainly does not mean that he will be more inclined to statistically feminine traits in personality, of on average being much less aggressive, and certainly won't be the case he shall automatically a kind of shrinking violet, dainty feminine jane austen character lady, stuck in a biological males body. I am not being mean there, but if you look a trans rights campaigners and their aggressiveness, it's often far more macho than feminine, correct me if i am wrong. I mean I like izzard who is a great comedian, and labourite, but I remember one of izzards shows had a bit, where izzard was rightly proud of fighting back some thugs who made some homophobic bullying remarks towards said izzard,, while look at Riley gaines, when she had some aggressive bullies surrounding and intimidate her she did a normal feminine thing of seeking safety. I mean look at all these let women speak events where a bunch of middle aged female professors stand at a street corner just making a speech, and then tra activists make threats and come looking for a physical fight,, and have banners making terrible threats about what they dismissively and macho and dehumanisingly call terfs. Surely the brain waves or pattern thing does not change the reality, that biological sex exists.
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@WoodTech9 who called him a Nazi, was it the judge, give a example. I thought that people just thought it was a insensitive remark, please give a example of someone who called him a Nazi, was it someone important, or just someone who nobody listens to. I did not like the joke as it made me think of horrible uncaring bullies, who say the worst things they can about people. I mean I know those people don't matter, but for someone to act like saying the most horrible thing you can about someone is some noble act is just monstrous. Couldn't he just have apologized for any hurt caused, and got on with his life, instead of acting like being the most offensive you can be is some freedom loving act. I think it's interesting the same people defending him for this joke, range from liberal free speech extremists, but also to far right people. I mean there is a guy on this comment section, and I have seen his comments on this subject before, who says wrongly, we fought on the wrong side in world war two. It happened when Jimmy carr made his horrible joke glorifying the Holocaust of gypsies, there were loads of people in the comments section, claiming it was all just a joke and being ironic, but just as many were horrible far right people, stating horrible things about gypsies, and seemingly agreeing with what supposedly was an ironic joke. To be honest, I think we can forgive dankula for his horrible joke, but it was not anything to be proud of. We all do silly things, I mean I have to stop swearing at the asda till machine, when it stops working, but I apologize. As I should. I think Peterson was a hero on the trans issue, but here I think he is being a ivory tower liberal. As you would expect of course none of these far-right pro free speech people ever get in a big huff if somebody is fired for criticising Trump, or the queen or Putin, which is what free speech is supposed to be for. Which shows their grand great hypocrisy. Did they get annoyed when trump sues people for saying stuff about him.
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@WoodTech9 ok so if nobody got hurt, why are so many people whining about poor little baby dankula, as if he is the Christ child, maybe stop whining for dankula, and get on with your lives, he has gotten over it, as he is a proper bloke, why can't his fan boys get over it. They are still sobbing about it ten years later, as if he was thieir pet dog, or something, 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😞😞😞😞, why is that, what is the reason for that. There are Holocaust victims who got over the Holocaust more easily, than dankula fan boys have over his act of pure political theatre.
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Losers, what sort of horrible bullying term is that. It's so Trumpian, so final, so dismissive, so lacking in humanity, it's better to be called a loser by a bully, than to give in toca bully. Let him be. Calling someone a loser, as they devote themselves to a greater cause, was Gandhi a losers,were his supporters losers, were the abolitionists losers, were the resistance losers, was Winston smith a loser, get maybe to you they were, maybe we should not care, maybe we should ignore problems, leave everything to special interest groups and oligarchs, yeah lets just give in, to the powerful, and not care, nah, lets not, you may not like that there are people who say no, but there are, so to all the obriens from 1984 who call the resistance losers, i seay to, you, let freedom roarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 🦁 Glory to freedom, glory to democracy glory to the resistance. We will never surrender, you will never have victory. We will have our own sensible liberal moderate kind thoughts, love, and be free, no to hate, yes to knowledge, truth, we don't have to surrender to orwellian demands. Biological sex exists, two plus two is four,
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I don't think Dawkins thinks being trans is a idealogy, and I am sure he and gold would abhor any bullying v you for being trans, but the idealogy that demands we deny in totality the existence of biological sex for any purpose, as of the concerns of trans rights, , does have a idealogical sway, which is what a lot of reasnoble people, who have no hate for trans people, whatsoever are concerned about. I believe there is a middle way, and it is probably the Dawkins be nice to trans people, but biological women exist way.
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@ThaliaIvy-j6t I believe almost everyone, even right wing, even far right people, never mind centre and left wing don't care if anybody calls themselves or dresses the way they like. But to have biological males in women's sports and safe spaces is where there is a debate, now who wins this debate let's see, but it's not fair to call all gc opinions and people bigots, as Dawkins and the like have nothing but acceptance of trans people but within nuances of utterly accepting certain things involving biological sex have a relevance in the debate. Good to see we agree on lots, and even on what we disagree with, cordially, yes that is what is needed in this debate genuine sensible common ground, not a faux common ground but a real one, have a good day.
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So what if i am a weak and insecure man, if thats what i am, i am and I love being so, coz i am cool. But that does not stop jk Rowling and Riley gaines being right that there are important issues in this debate. I what you arrogantly labelI as a weak insecure man, whatever to hat is, can see why a woman would be upset at about biological males using their toilets, sports and r😖pe centres, and am sure most uncaring heartless big strong powerful.men are not affected by it, so dont care about the vulnerable biological women hurt by this crazy idealogy. How dare you see it as a sign of strengh to not care about women. Ps funny how you can now ignore the mad pronoun idea of refusing to accept the reality that men and women exist, when you want to throw typical pathetic trans rights extremists abuse at people. Laughably even your hateful abuse about gender critical activists, contradicts the mad Alice in wonderland mad hare mad hatters tea party idealogy that trans rights extremists boast about. Gender critical ideology is left wing, as it defends the vulnerable.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss it is Orwellian, as everybody who had any even mild criticism, to your slogans and laws was the victim of Orwellian campaigns to silence them, even jk Rowling, chapelle and Dawkins. It did not succeed for them, but people lower down, were sacked just for saying biological sex exists And we totally accept there are people who are trans, there is just a debate about women's safe spaces and sports, and the right of people to be attracted to the biological sex they choose, without condemnation by trans activists. Look at the Wikipedia page on gender critical feminism, it is just a Orwellian hit job, ninety percent coffee which is about trying to link it with the right and far right. No attempt to understand that some people believe biological sex exists, that we should treat trans with respect, but also biological sex exists, has consequences, and the law should be partly be moulded about that fact, not just Orwellian slogans of believers in gender idealogy. I mean even Dawkins video has been demonetised, on this channel, can you think of any gender idealogy videos demonetised, for saying their beliefs on n the subject.
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But don't we then get statements like the Bryson case, where she r@ped her with her p@nis, surely there are times we must be nice to everybody, including trans people, but also acknowledge the reality that biological sex exists. Just like they might be cases where you have to admit someone is too short to go on the roller coaster or reach the bookshelf. It's a fact that make annoy some shorter people in some cases to mention, but as long as you keep it to the right places, then we can be a nice tolerant society. But it must be legal to acknowledge the reality that biological sex exist. And surely if you are discussing national policy, it is completely unreasonable, to ignore such loudly important concern in the matter. Yes let's be tolerant, reality that biological sex exists, indeed it's a major matter for both sides of the argument in some senses.
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Its a shame she felt she had to leave, as Stamer got elected with a big majority, but she is a very decent person who stands up for her convictions, which themselves are very in with current Labour voters, (Not ones who voted Reform, but actual current Labourites) so it is a shame for Labour, they need people like this. I think Stamer will last, as people are never ousted just after a election, and he is very moderate on most issues, so I dont think there is appetite in the party to replace him, I think they are grateful he won the election.
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To be fair, the people obsessing over this the most are people who want to bring in what they call trans rights by stealth, the likes of jk Rowling and Helen Joyce and Richard Dawkins who are not at all right wing, are just reacting to very radical attempts at change, which otherwise would have been brought in by stealth, such as biological males in womens sports, convicted r@pists in womens prisons, and the astonishing fact that children under ten across the western world, out of nowhere are being taught tbat biological sex is a unimportant element of gender, when in reality its the whole reason we acknowledge its existance. We should love everyone, including trans, but to deny biological sex is important, when we are talking about gende is not a sensible view really, and it is right that people stood up and said the truth that there are serious and reasonable concerns mostly to do with womens rightds and safety, that we must acknowledge on this issue, and no amount of Orwellian newspeak, furious Orwellian bluster, and powder flam mantras can gloss over that. So we'll done Helen for mentioning these issues, and shame in anybody who says we should just let idealogy win over the needs of people who are affected by this issue. Biological sex exists and we just need to realise that and live life in a way and have rules that acknowledge the effect ts that causes on society. Jk Rowling is a good female rights campaigner. And think of all the homosexuals who agree with Helen, here is a list, arty, Andrew Doyle, Joanna Cherry, Martina Navaratalola, Douglas Murray, the list is very long, Elaine Miller and James Dreyfuss, and and the list goes on, and most of those are left wing. Why are you disagreeing with them, can you tolerate their views. This is a reasonable debate to have and if we did not have it, we would have biological males winning women's sport event, and in women's safe spaces. And really left wing views should be based on reality and facts, biological sex still exists, the fact has not changed, so we should have a society, that in a loving caring way realises that. It's not right wing to accept biological truth.
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Its perfectly OK to believe what you want, but a book seller should remember Fahrenheit 451, its what the Michael Moore movie Fahrrenheit 9 11 was in title based on, and not support burning books, as they oppose the beliefs of the person, she is perfectly entitled to believe what she likes, but not to support burning books of pretty typical mainstream beliefs, I could understand if it was some far out hateful extremism, but even then its not for her to burn books, but gender critical beliefs are quite normal and mainstream. She should really be apologising. We are all guilty of hyperbole, but that would have been a better thing. Book sellers are for selling books, not for burning books, thats not their job. Its simple. A book seller should love books, and love reading all sorts of opinions, to support, or even pull them apart, burning books is not the move of intellectuals. Firstly she should apologise.
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❤🎉If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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Well Ronson is great, and has done some fine stuff, fab fellow. But he kind of on this issue, some people critisise him for making a documentary on this issue, where the trans right activists were painted as all sweetness and light, and the concerns of the gender critical women, were not really given equal weight, it was kind of all, hey lets all come together on the angle the trans rights activists want. Which was quite typical of the current debate and way laws are enacted by centrist and centre left and even centre right parrties at the moment, (well untill the right and in Britain the left, realised its a vote winner, as GC ideas have credance and are right). And bizarely this was a place where there had been a murder by a extreme very untypical trans rights activist of a gender critical campaigner. I think it was the Dana Rivers case, it would be like doing a video on the troubles in Northern Ireland, and acting ;like only side had people who comnitted violence oir unfair acts, and that the othger side is all sweetness and light, which even many Sinn Fein or DUP supporters would kind of be a bit perplexed about. I mean I wish some kind of compromoise could be made, that accepts everybody, including gc requests, but I think even Ronson feels he has to apologise a bit, for missing the Rivers case from his documentary, so its understandable people are perplxed he made such a untypical Ronsson video, and probably media should be told, hey hang on here whats all this about when it misses major things. It would be like doing a documentary on World War Two, and painting the Americans as pure baddies, by just ignoring Pearl Harbour, and saying America declared war on Japan for no reason what so ever. Or a documentary on JFK visit to Dallas, that utterly ignores the assassination. The same here, I mean GC people have some concerns and certain people totally ignore their reasonings and act like they are just horrible bigots and even call them Nazis and bigots just for querying anything to do with this issue.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I don't need to watch it again, I have a photographic memory, I don't think it is Fair that trans rights activists are so hate filled and belittling towards any disagreement. You have to be joking if you are literally assuming he does not know about the existence of intersex conditions, the guy knows a lot, it's safe to assume he knows they exist, even your big standard YouTube commenter on this issue knows they exist, now come off it, stop all the pretending to be superior attitude,when really he knows a huge amount on this subject, if you watch it again, you will realise that. I dont beef to watch it again as of my photographic style memory. I mean calling him dodgy, is horrible bullying.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I remember, as of my photographic memory, in a interview with gb news, Andrew Doyle, he mentioned intersex, he knows of the term, dont imagine you know better than him on such simple basics of the subject. The man has a IQ way above average so won't not know of that. Stop bullying and misunderstanding people. It's unpleasant and cruel. Why do trans rights activists have to insult and bully people just for saying stuff they disagree with, it's rarely arguing on the actual issue, as they have so little to support them, they just lob horrible hate filled cruel hurtful remarks at those who dont fall in line, just mean fanatics.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I am sorry I have a photographic memory, and assume everyone does, I am sorry you missed the points he has made, that's ok, but I would advise you to watch the video again, and you may realize and understand the points he is making, and see he is right. Yes you can bully and name call him all you like, just as many trans rights activists do in their overbearing arrogant ways about people who don't agree with them, but he is still right, whatever abuse you have. Watch the video and his others,like on other channels you will see what I mean.
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@operationgoldfish8331 insult insult, misinterpret and from there Insult, insult and defame, and insult insult and insult anybody who does not join in your bullying, that's what you have as someone has the temerity to not agree with you, watch his videos and try to understand what he is saying, don't bully him, don't name call him for disagreeing with you, stop hating people just for not agreeing with you. Let's hear what abuse and insults you have, any more bullying remarks about him , come on let's hear it,n to reveal once and for all if after all this, you are just a bully. What insults you got come on let's here it, got any more bullying remarks as someone disagrees with you. Gender critical views, are loving, and defensible, we do not hate trans people, we just acknowledge the obvious glaring in your face reality than biological sex exists, that is true, and sensible left wingers accept that reality, as left wing beliefs are based on reality, like biological sex exists.
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@operationgoldfish8331 You are usingndismissive terms like calling him or people who agree with him as maga or right wing, and such to delegitmise alternative views, . You misinterpreted his view on intersex, and then call him dodgy, I think really that counts as bullying. I am not going to look up what you advised, as you have proven yourself to be intolerant of alternative views, and clearly I don't think that having a gender ideology comisar on every and all discussions on this issue is at all democratic. I think trans rights activists hectoring bullying attitude towards those who disagree with them is just a sign they are Orwellian bullies. Trans rights extremists are just bullies, insulting anybody who dares to not agree with their beliefs. And I see you getting the insults on me now, as I called out your bullying, 👏👏👏👏👋 , let's be honest, if someone says something even mildly disagreeing with trans rights extremism,they will be called all sorts of horrible names, so no surprise there. Keep showing up that bullies dominate tra extremism.
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@operationgoldfish8331 I am disappointed in you, you have not stated any more bullying dismissive insults yet, surely you have more in you than that, come on, got any more cruel take downs, thats the typical way, I'm all ears. Yes apparently anybody who opposes people who bully, is a passive aggressive, thanks,. 😂😂😂😂, I suppose if a thug comes and beats me up, and I say please don't beat me up, that makes me a passive aggressive, pull the other one, stop insulting people. Stop name calling, stop labeling, stop calling people nasty names. To me that counts as bullying, so stop bullying people. Why are trans rights activists so full of insults, and so uncaring about people they disagree with. It's just amazing how unpleasant and rude they are about people who disagree with them. Just rude and hurtful activists.
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Andrew gold considers himself centrist and mainstream. He does not call himself right wing. You claimed wright is a paid influencer of the right, , you put in doubt his credentials, claim.ing he lacks mentions of intersex, even though if you watch his video, with Stephen knight, he talks about intersex the whole time. He knows this subject very well, and is honestly putting forwsrd a intelligent clear cut persuasive case. It is a very common thing for trans rights activists to try and bully and undermine people who criticize gender ideology beliefs, by claiming the person dies not know about intersex , when the person,whether it is Colin wright or Richard Dawkins knows more about intersex than the commenter does. I would definitely believe that trying to undermine someone by pretending they a expert on the field, don't know about something they do know about, is demeaning and bullying behavior. It is absolutely the case that trans rights activists do always try to undermine those who criticize gender ideology, by calling them far right, right wing or some such term, and they often try to undermine critics of gender idealogy, by lying about what they believe or calling I to question their credentials, often by lies about what the, the Richard Dawkins has never heard of intersex, is a common trans rights extremists lie, so sorry I have a antenna for knowing that a trans rights activist trope. All I am saying is don't bully, don't name call, just as people dont agree with you. He knows his stuff, and does not deserve bullying attempts to demean him. We all know trans rights activists often bully women who don't fall into line, saying the most atrocious sexist vile rubbish about them, sickening shameful stuff. This guy may wear glasses, but that don't make him a wimp, just like jk Rowling, he will stand up to orwellian bullies. Ps I am not saying trans people are bullies, I am saying that most trans activists and their supporters do bully, and that is proven, they try to drive out alternative options, and pile on guff, claiming anybody who does not agree with gender idealogy is a evil right winger,who should be quarantined as of they are terrible far right people. The jaw dropping reality, is gender critical people are treated by some media worse than actual far right people. Look at Wikipedia it bans the mention of biological sex, and it's definition of gender critical feminism is a hit job, filled with multiple mentions of the words, far right, right wing, hate, terf and all such. But it's arrticke on the most evil man in history, a h, of 1930s Germany mention s far right just once in reference to where he is in a photo. Shockingly it gives far right and racist views more freedom, than gender critical views. It disgracefully has a article on the n word, it describes far right peoples views in their own language, having quotations from a h, in the articles. It gives both sides of the view on the highland clearances, the proper view and the far right pro clearance view. But for gender critical feminism, it refuses to accept the language feminists use. So making their views unheard and utterly censored. The BBC and CNN allow extremists language, like assigned male at birth, as if it's some wild guess from a doctor what sex you are. If you search Google for biological sex, it lists condescending confused articles based on extreme gender idealogy, of denying the firmness of their being sex. There are even high up articles like titled myth of biological sex. You are wrong to ignore the arrogance of this orwellian idealogy, that denies glaring realitirs, all for the sake of a puritan style zealotry of the unthinking mantra of trans women are women, which is ok fir you to believe, but not fir you to have as the national slogan and devotion, the idealogical Puritanicalness of this neo quasi religious movement should be opposed like any other orwellian rubbish. Truth to power
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In terms of sports, it's the other way round, there was a mma fighter who identified as a woman, but was born a man, and broke skull of a biological woman, and calls people terfs. Joe Rogan mentions it a lot. Also in terms of the first one, well in USA prisons there have been those things occurring, which could not even have remotely occurred if the policy did not allow biological males in women's prisons. For the Mma Fallon fox was the name, and the individual boasted about beating up terfs, which was horrible and indicative of the dangers from tra. The statistics indicate, the biological males whatever they identify as are still a threat to women.
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The British communists accept gc ideas, as do Stamer and streeting. Plus even snp leader Swinney. And.regan, Sheridan, duffield, Rowling, Dawkins, rfk jr, Seth Moulton, the US green party vp candidate, Joanna cherry, Alex salmond, Robert Winston, Katie Forbes david blunket, macron, the German conservative left party, loads of left wingers are gc. Ps lots of gay people are gc as well. And some gay people, are as right wing as any other right wingers, look at David Starkey. And there are folk like him in every country. Gays are ok.
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@katelynnblatt9614 well thank you for your answers, very interesting points. I don't agree with your conclusions, but certainly a lot of knowledge there, thank you for the information. Now I don't believe it's relevant to mention race in this discussion, as I am from a generation where we dont discuss race, I am not sure about the kilinefelter stuff, but interesting. Well I think if Mr Gold had you on his show, you would need to slow down a bit, and keep to the general issues he is discussing. So good day to you, and if you ever get on this show, it shall be interesting to watch, but best to slow down a bit first, so a reasonable discussion can be had. Otherwise it will be impossible for specific points to be answered, without a muddying of the waters. I think biologic sex exists, but maybe we have nuanced disagreements. Thank you for your answers. Sorry that's all from me, but good day to you, and may peace break out between the gender critical and the anti gender critical. It would be great if you could be on this show, or a debate with a other podcaster, not putting any pressure on gold. So maybe better if you were on a other show, like someone less famous, as a start off, and if that's popular, he should have on his show.
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But I dont think it was just that, I mean Ronson is great, and has done some fine stuff, fab fellow. But he kind of on this issue, some people critisise him for making a documentary on this issue, where the trans right activists were painted as all sweetness and light, and the concerns of the gender critical women, were not really given equal weight, it was kind of all, hey lets all come together on the angle the trans rights activists want. Which was quite typical of the current debate and way laws are enacted by centrist and centre left and even centre right parrties at the moment, (well untill the right and in Britain the left, realised its a vote winner, as GC ideas have credance and are right). And bizarely this was a place where there had been a murder by a extreme very untypical trans rights activist of a gender critical campaigner. I think it was the Dana Rivers case, it would be like doing a video on the troubles in Northern Ireland, and acting ;like only side had people who comnitted violence oir unfair acts, and that the othger side is all sweetness and light, which even many Sinn Fein or DUP supporters would kind of be a bit perplexed about. I mean I wish some kind of compromoise could be made, that accepts everybody, including gc requests, but I think even Ronson feels he has to apologise a bit, for missing the Rivers case from his documentary, so its understandable people are perplxed he made such a untypical Ronsson video, and probably media should be told, hey hang on here whats all this about when it misses major things. It would be like doing a documentary on World War Two, and painting the Americans as pure baddies, by just ignoring Pearl Harbour, and saying America declared war on Japan for no reason what so ever. Or a documentary on JFK visit to Dallas, that utterly ignores the assassination. The same here, I mean GC people have some concerns and certain people totally ignore their reasonings and act like they are just horrible bigots and even call them Nazis and bigots just for querying anything to do with this issue.
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Hello, Dankulas act was training his dog to get excited and happy, when mentioning the gassing of victims of the Holocaust, a very unfunny and strange act. Nothing to be proud of, and anybody who condemned him for that was within their rights. Ps I think dankula should be forgiven for his stupid act, but don't act like what he did was done heroic act, I am sure he has done good stuff for people, and made good jokes in his life, but that stupid thing he did was dumb. Not that any of us are perfect, and to be honest dankulas friends should have told him it was dumb as well. Biological sex exists whether dankula fans or extreme trans activists and far right activists accept it or not. Linehan has a right to criticize rubbish jokes, but it is not fair to cancel him for saying biological women exists, or two plus two is four. And he did not try to cancel Dankula, the guy was not famous before, his poor taste joke, so cancel is a strong word. And people must have the right to say they don't like a joke or statement it's part of free speech.
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❤If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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You are ignoring the main point. The idealogy of self id, believed that gender identity is so important, that it is hateful, far right, bigoted, transphobic, uncompassionate, conservative, n🤐zi, f@asiust and cruel to not put intact biological males convicted of r🤐pes who identify as women, in women's prison cells. Luckily jk Rowling heroically stopped that, kudos to her. Now maybe you have a non empathetic, gender identity ism, view, which ignores the lives of people over a idealogical desire to support gender identity, but thankfully the people in charge don't agree with such a uncaring view. Well done Keir Stamer and the conservative for accepting sense....
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😮Have you seen the Wikipedia article on gender critical feminism, it's just a Orwellian hit job, trying to link the centrist belief, with the far right. This is done by mentioning the words, conservative, far right, right wing, anti trans and terf, together over one hundred times in the article, like someone in a Orwellian 15 minutes of hate, but left wing and socialism, something most gender critical people are, is mentioned no times. Also i looked at Wikipedia article on Hitler, it mentions far right once, and in relation to where he is is in the photo, so Wikipedia is more nuanced on the most evil man in history, than on the moderate centrist belief of gender critical feminism. . I think gender idealogy believers are ironically the most far right Orwellian bigots , totally unprepared to listen to others.
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@7king8debs79 it is not, as we live in a world where aspects of this idealogy are being imposed, with no thought of the consequences or explanation, and only the gender critical campaigns, have averted the silliness. Jk Rowling has been framed as a bigot, when she clearly stated she no problem with trans people, she just believe biological woman exist. And how could you bring up p the legit fears many have around this issue, without being called a bigot. It's impossible. He mentions some have abused the sillier aspects of the new laws, and gets called a bigot for doing so. Should we pretend these things are not happening, treat the victims like statistics, to ignore, and then we won't be called bigots, but also won't help those suffering from the daft and horrible parts of this in thought out radical change from above. Debate was needed, with reasonable safeguarding rules, but also a loving acceptance of trans, while accepting biological sex exists z has consequences, and needs to be attended to in laws.
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@alexy8520 In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤
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But he clearly presents a angle, and just proceeds to put all the things, and views which support his view. Then he presens the alternative view from some daft perspective, often interviewing someone representing that side, who is not a expert. Criticising sone beside the point comments they make, and acting like his conclusion is the Moses on the mountain moment. Yes it's ok to do that on stuff I agree with him on, but it gives you a new perspective when you know he is wrong, and on this issue he is clearly wrong. I love these top us comic shows, but in reality, we should not act like they are unbiased investigate reports, they are comics pushing a view from one side. It's fun when I agree, like Colbert mocking trump, but when you realise they are wrong, like on this issue, , it's bad.. @N6TH9N
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@N6TH9N It certainly is not compassionate to call opponents bigots, and hateful, to malign and label them and try to cancel those as trans rights activists do about those who speak up on this subject. It was not compassionate to ignore the concerns of female athletes, to have their medals and records taken by people who it was perfectly fair to question the legitimacy of were taking part. There were even threats to expel female athletes from college for criticising the idea that biological males, who already have a richer more watched sport, competing in women's sports. Clearly he gave just a one sided orwellian view of the argument. Watch interviews with Riley Gaines and you will see what she had to deal with. When some female athletes in US college system, stated that they did not make the idea of intact biological males and dressing in their, dressing rooms, instead of thinking about the logic of this, realising that this could be intimidating to a large number of women, the ridiculous college elite decided that they should be seeking counseling, there was no attempt to compassion and decency towards these women, indeed just like happened to JK Rowling Catherine stock and Helen Joyce, these women were treated like the unimportant proles, underlined by how when Riley games finished an equal position with Leah Thomas in time, they gave the award to Leah Thomas, just like how the second Caitlyn Jenner announced they were a woman, they were given the award of women of the year, as if there were no biological woman who had done anything that year. And the arrogant macho nature of trans rights activists, calling people the most horrible names, dismissing them in dehumanising manners, as underlined by the one-sided nature of the John Oliver show. In Britain we have a show called The One show, his soul could be called the one-sided show.
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Linehan was not the judge, and also dankula went to jail as he refused to pay a small fine. Stop acting like what dankula did, which was a poor taste joke, was some gandhi or mandela like act. Much worse things happen to people than happened to dankula, even on school busses and playgrounds every day, stop remembering an unimportant slight from over 2 and a half centuries ago, and live your life. There are people begging on the streets, and your still wailing about something linehan had no power over, and does not even believe any more. Even the guy Dankula does not care and forgave him, good grief. And it gave dankula a career. Why do you pick on linehan about this, what's that about. I mean under your mentality nobody should ever forgive anybody for even the mildest thing, that's a recipe for chaos. Linehan was not the judge.
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If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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@mrhobsonschoice she is not backed by Putin, dont be ridiculous. She is a beloved children's author, who has won polls across the world on her popularity. Edinburgh and London for the past couple of decades have revealed in the cash she brings their tourist industry. Both Keir stamer and kemi badenoch refuse to criticize her. Her views are that of a left leaning sensible social democrat. The only thing she digressed from late 2010s political thought on, was the trans issue, and for that, she was smeared on mass by a orwellian hate campaign. If she had been a nobody, it would have worked. But people knew who she is, and knew she is not far right. So if anything the bullying attempts to cancel her, just gave her strength, like a star trek creature, growing from the Lazer beans the enterprise fired at it. JK Rowling is a passionate defender of women's rights, and the ludicrous attempt to frame her as anything other than that has failed.
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❤❤In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists. Ps linehan was always a feminist to be fair, as to jk Rowling, look at her condenning the crushing of Iranian protesters, don't pretend that opposing racism, is not something that can't be believed in alongside protecting women's sports. Also many gay people, oppose extreme trans rights beliefs. Look at arty Morty, Andrew Doyle, David Starkey, the actor James Dreyfuss, Joanna cherry, Elaine miller, they are not homophobic. It's not good to be so blinkered on the nuances of this issue.
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No, he is right. He is not half way to being wrong, he is just right. The problem with the sapolsky idea. Is that even if you believe that a biological male who identifies as a woman, identifies as a woman because they're brain tells them they are a woman. Maybe because their neurons are the same as a woman's neurons. Even then, the reality is, biological sex still exists. So in all sorts of statistics, biological males who identify as women offer the same risks as biological males who identify as males. So, yes a biological male may believe that he is a woman, but because of his instincts and so many things about him, then he has the same level of threat towards women as other biological males. Look at crime stats, trans women are closer to cis males, at many important crimes, per population. Whether it is certain violent crimes, or s🤒x offences, I I am not saying they are more of a threat. They are not more of a threat. Also in sports they have those advantages as well, and the rest of the population can see they have those advantages and certain personality traits, that biological males, who identify as men also have. Look at the debate here. Gender critical women debate like, by writing eight thousand page tomes, and sit at tables speaking like a jane Austin character, about why they want trans people to be respected, but biological sex exists, and has consequences on biological women and biological men, so biological women exist, while trans rights campaigners have Hamas style slogans, with threats against their opponents on banners, which also use dismissive terms about what they call the terfs we ho they are threatening. Then they try and ban people from having gender critical views, and label them in a dismissive macho way, like only really powerful aggressive biological males can do. Surely the reality is gender disphoria exists, but it does not stop biological sex and it's instincts existence.
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Who cares, why should a intellectual be bothered about anything other than intellectual pressures. Lots of working class people agree with him, it does not matter if some dont, as facts matter, not class, race or politics. Evolutionry biology is nothing to do with class, he should focus on the beautiful facts he knows, like on gender, and let clever working class people listen, the gin Alley dunces lot can keep with their gin and fighting. Ps loads of working class people agree with him, yes some don't, but those people dont matter more.
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@jackspring7709 oh you campaigned, wouldn't it be great in a western movie if Charles Bronson when hearing about there being baddies stealing land has written a letter of complaint to a newspaper, or if a John wayne character had written a sternly worded comment on a video about a land buying in Chicago real estate, saying, well it's terrible some baddies did something in dodge city. That would have sorted all the problems out,vans if had blamed middle class ladies in New York for all the crime, in dodge city, the John Wayne character could have had a shorter movie, yes but actually done anything about it, but he could have felt proud he wrote so e YouTube comments. Let's be honest, you did very little, and called on other people, big strong men, to sort it out. I have nothing against men, good men are great, but we should protect women where we can and support them where we can, as women protect us men where they can. The same people who caused Rochdale, uncaring people, also did but care about women in the trans debate. And they included as many right wing populists as imaginary liberals. Where were you when the abuse happened, did you try and stop it, did you do anything other than send emails and blame powerless beautiful intelligent courageous driven middle class women, who are so powerless they lose court cases to people like who sal Glover lost her case to. Trans rights extremism, Jimmy Saville and the Rochdale abuse cases were caused by the mentality you are showing here, making excuses for the unfair things occurring, and saying it does not matter, you should be ashamed, that the mentality you are showing, allowed those terrible things to occur, shame on people who have the mentality you are showing here.
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But they don't mind working with Jimmy carr, who made the horrible remark about gypsies and the Holocaust, or many other people who have said worse jokes than that. Some of them even defended Carrs joke on that issue. They all love to work for the sun, or telegraph if it offers them a role, or be interviewed by them for their glossy magazines. It's hypocrisy, anybody who speaks out on this subject, with normal mainstream views like Dawkins, Chapelle or Kathleen stock is the victim of a hate campaign, from activists, and to some extent quarantined by mainstream media, who should know better, and they should be tolerated for their normal mainstream beliefs, just like we do in a democracy, they should not be shunned, in a bullying manner, or sent to Coventry for quite mainstream beliefs. As they are often right.
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Surely we should be more tolerant of her fears you know, if a woman felt threatened by me, I would feel awful I would feel unhappy, I wouldn't call her a bigot, I would try to understand why she feels my behaviour or the way I am threatens her. That's right one of the things I do, is I never walk down an alleyway after a woman has gone down it. There is loads of behaviour we as men do, so we don't make women feel uncomfortable. Part of tolerance is also respecting, the fears and rights of women in our society, it's not bigoted to understand those fears, we should be nice to trans people, just because he has a perfectly understandable fear of men, because I've seen many situations where there was proved to be quite a sensible fear. Like a few days ago I saw these biological males in their thirties saying rude things about women on the train, and I saw one of the women just moved to another carriage, she was a being her instinct which was to be quite fearful of those biological males, and by the look on her face, it was quite a strong fear. And in reality she was the best person to protect herself her fear and her instinct, was the best form of protection. With it never call women bigots, for listening to their instincts, because in reality of biological males, just these guys showed, don't have the same spidey senses that the average biological woman has.
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In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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== Alba are Socially liberal,
They are not that socially conservative, they are pro choice on abortion, support the Human Rights act, support same sex-marriage, they support penalties against hate speech, support refugees, support a allowance of Women to serve in combat roles, oppose Capital punishment, oppose national service, support limiting misinformation, oppose the House of Lords, encourage diversity training, oppose flag burning laws, the only thing they dont support is parts of the Gender reform acts, so they are really a Gender Critical Socialy Liberal party.
:But you choose the sources and surely a objective look, would say they are very much the same as the SNP on most things, and really they are just a party of people out of favour with the SNP leadership, they are not conservative on anything, Salmond was thrown out of the SNP in the 80s for being too left wing, and Tommy Sheridan, a Militant anti poll tax socialist, is in it, and the Proclaimers, supported them. They have ex-SNP MPs like Ash Regan, surely its a Socially Liberal Gender Critical Party, of mainstream Centre Left economics, led by people who fell out of favour with the then SNP leadership.:A basic look at what they believe in, and understanding of what constitutes centre left and socially liberal, can you give me a list of socially conservative things they believe in, not to do with Gender Critical policies. Can you give a few examples of socially conservative policies they have, outside of GC views.
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❤❤In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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😮Have you seen the Wikipedia article on gender critical feminism, it's just a Orwellian hit job, trying to link the centrist belief, with the far right. This is done by mentioning the words, conservative, far right, right wing, anti trans and terf, together over one hundred times in the article, like someone in a Orwellian 15 minutes of hate, but left wing and socialism, something most gender critical people are, is mentioned no times. Also i looked at Wikipedia article on Hitler, it mentions far right once, and in relation to where he is is in the photo, so Wikipedia is more nuanced on the most evil man in history, than on the moderate centrist belief of gender critical feminism. . I think gender idealogy believers are ironically the most far right Orwellian bigots , totally unprepared to listen to others.
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But Australia famously has a chip on its shoulder about British people. Surely Aussies should agree that race science is wrong, as if 19th century race science was true, then Australia would have the IQs of the convicts sent there. Surely Australia was like the opposite of sending your best and brightest to a space colony. It had the poorest, and criminals sent there, but still as of democracy and culture, and resources, is super wealthy, with many of the best sports people, and minds in the anglosphere. Surely if race science is right, it should be a bedraggled cesspit, of poverty. The same goes for the USA, which also had many of the poorest sent there, but also did very well.
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@ScorpionSuerte nope, I posted the most comments, so win, and corrected your poor spelling, which was right at the end of a comment, like someone making a speech, and putting a bowler hat on their head, which to their surprise was filled with custard, I get the points, for noticing the mistake. You lost as you did the error, I win as I pointed it out, like the story of the emperor's new dress.
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@josephsimmons9241 well why do we have women's sports then, if they are all the same level. Have you ever seen the difference between men and women's sports, look at football, a men's under fifteen team, beat the USA women's team. Why are you ignoring the reality, we have women's sports, so they can also get medals. And us men's football is poor, and women's is the best on earth. Ps to say women HAVE to compete against those born men, is very unfair, it's like bullying. It's like a jock bullying a nerd, or even a pe teacher, bullying a kid as he can't climb ropes well enough. It's simply abuse.
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I wrote biological women, on the BBC comments page, as said it was Orwellian to ban people from being able to convey their beliefs, and what people believe that biological srx exists, so the Orwellian editors have put restrictions on my account, I am proud, as my view is she should be allowed to convey her remarks, as she is clearly scientifically right, if any thing it's the reverse view that biological s,x does not exist, that is strange, and would be more deserving of banning, not that it should be. I enjoy this debate, as it makes me feel clever, and intelligent, able to throw the insults at those trying to restrict my view, that I am like Winston smith, and they are like o brien, and unlike the end of 1984, i shall not say i love big brother,bi shall not give on, as there is a spirit in man that will always accept the truth.
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But I dont think it was just that, I mean Ronson is great, and has done some fine stuff, fab fellow. But he kind of on this issue, some people critisise him for making a documentary on this issue, where the trans right activists were painted as all sweetness and light, and the concerns of the gender critical women, were not really given equal weight, it was kind of all, hey lets all come together on the angle the trans rights activists want. Which was quite typical of the current debate and way laws are enacted by centrist and centre left and even centre right parrties at the moment, (well untill the right and in Britain the left, realised its a vote winner, as GC ideas have credance and are right). And bizarely this was a place where there had been a murder by a extreme very untypical trans rights activist of a gender critical campaigner. I think it was the Dana Rivers case, it would be like doing a video on the troubles in Northern Ireland, and acting ;like only side had people who comnitted violence oir unfair acts, and that the othger side is all sweetness and light, which even many Sinn Fein or DUP supporters would kind of be a bit perplexed about. I mean I wish some kind of compromoise could be made, that accepts everybody, including gc requests, but I think even Ronson feels he has to apologise a bit, for missing the Rivers case from his documentary, so its understandable people are perplxed he made such a untypical Ronsson video, and probably media should be told, hey hang on here whats all this about when it misses major things. It would be like doing a documentary on World War Two, and painting the Americans as pure baddies, by just ignoring Pearl Harbour, and saying America declared war on Japan for no reason what so ever. Or a documentary on JFK visit to Dallas, that utterly ignores the assassination. The same here, I mean GC people have some concerns and certain people totally ignore their reasonings and act like they are just horrible bigots and even call them Nazis and bigots just for querying anything to do with this issue.
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@stevel9914 he killed millions, caused a war that killed 40 million, I mean come off it. I oppose crazy ridiculous extreme trans rights ideas, but it's not as bad as AH. Ah regime did murderous experiments on live twins, and killed children as of their race. It was a million times worse than even gender idealogy. They put opposing nations soldiers in camps, and slave labour, of which many died, they bombed cities from Guernica to Coventry. They invaded over a dozen countries in Europe in just a few years. They fired Jewish people from their jobs to such a crazy extent, that some of those Jews were genius level people who sided Oppenheimer. And are you now saying ah was pro christian, I thought most feel he was a typical mid Century agnostic. The swastika was a kind of pre Christian symbol, they were not Christians. Also in the end the wars ah caused saw russia run riot over Germany. So it was not even a good thing for his ideas. I mean as of ah crazy ideas, and foolish decision to invade Russia, by a few years Germans were brutally expelled from lands where they had lived for centuries. All because of ah macho dream of lebensraum. His wat loving, imperialist ideas were appalling. And weirdly ironically some of ah people actually did forced experiments on people against their will, even worse than the worst of gender idealogy. And going on about porn, well he was not that great a figure in terms of Christian sexual norms. He had a affair with a relative of his, geli raubal, has sex before marriage, and three of his lovers killed themselves. I mean that's hardly normal. Also what's your view on ah friend rohm. Here is a weird fact, the ussr banned homosexuality in 1933 as they associated it with German millitarism, what a weird fact. Anyway, I don't think banning gay porn, is a good excuse for the nazis. Also mainstream anti trump GOP guys like Kemp have cut down gender idealogy. And ps there were lots of Germans on the good side on the war, fighting with the US army, like Eisenhower.
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but what if somebody believes it is their identity, and has a affinity with ostriches, like in the jungle book. I mean who are you to say what's acceptable or unacceptable, I'm not saying you don't have that right, ,but what makes it so, you can judge them on this issue. What's the big picture here, on the ostrich question, the right or the wrong. And who are you to say it is cartoonish. What if somebody believes they are a ostrich, surely that is possible, it must be, as people have done much more unusual things than that. And what about the perfectly well respected idea of native American spirit animals, like eagles or bears, isn't that identity.
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@denzellmovies well then it makes the comparison not offensive, some people were offended when Dawkins compared a biological man. identifying as a woman, to identifying as a dog, but are you saying these people are being reasonable or unreasonable,if its ok to identify as a ostrich. Are you saying it's ok, to say they are a hateful ignorant out of date, bigot, to be compared with n,azis and racists and homophobes, if they don't accept the person is absolutely a ostrich. Like what most trans rights campaigners say about gender critical critics of the gender idealougues. To be honest, I don't think identifying as a ostrich makes you a ostrich,band I think mild gender critical views are pretty much a sensible way forward. We should be tolerant to trans, welcome them into society, but also accept biological sex exists, and we must decry those who bully gender critical believers. Muitos apolgencia, if I sound a little hot headed there. I mean no offence. Have a great time.
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@denzellmovies 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢?ernie the ostrich, 😊? ?well maybe i have talked too long. That's where I leave this thread. Other than this, you are absolutely correct to have found out that some people believe gender, is a term that refers to identity and self expression, and some people believe it is more correct to define it by the same way we define sex. This truly is a interesting place for varied opinions. Well done you for looking at this subject, and deciding that you believe it refers to identity. What is your view though of those whose belief that gender as a word, refers to sex as well. Surely it's ok for them to choose that as the definition, just as some people who believe in gender idealogy, think the term women, should also include what they refer to a trans women. Do words matter here, can people use the terms dependent on their interpretation. Good week to yourself. Ps I am not saying anybody is lying about anything, so don't put words on my mouth there as i know one tool trans activists have, is to higher the temperature of the debate, by making allegations, about those on the gender critical side, to make it sound like they are just hateful and should be ignored, when in reality, all that has happened, is sometimes gender crirical people they are not Always agreeing with their opponents very rigid one dimensional terms, or interpretations.
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@josephsimmons9241 there is nothing more annoying than someone imposing something most people don't agree with on society,then claiming we are the obsessives, for not agreeing with it. Just stop imposing something that most people oppose, and listen to why most people oppose it. Yes let's end homelessness as well, but if the people trying to impose extreme trans rights, spent their time, ending homelessness, rather than this, they would do better. Stop trying to impose this unwanted belief, do something more useful.bso please don't comment again, instead of arguing for biological males in women's sports, go and build houses for the needy.
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@josephsimmons9241 I don't hate trans people, but why do you need to have people who were born male, competing in women's sports, it is unreasonable to campaign for that. Surely we can have trans people in society, without having people who were born Male, competing in women's sports. What's wrong with them competing in the men's sports, can you tell why you think that would be wrong. If anything nebs sports gets more money and interest,vso if they are a marginalized group,why not put them in the richer more celebrated half of Spirit,rather than the already poorer, less celebrated, less roles part. Why take roles from one marginalized group, women in sports, why not take the roles of the least marginalized group, rich sportsmen. Ps why don't you campaign to end homelessness instead of chanting for people born male, to be taking people born women's, sporting places.
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@Rhyds86 the chief rabbi of the Simon wisenthal institute advised he be taken to meet concentration camp victims, to see why mocking the victims of the Holocaust is not a good thing, so not everyone thought it was a heroic brave act. Would you be ok dude, if a islamist trained his dog to do that, I would be a bit worried if that occurred, and recommend a look at it by the authorities, but are you one of those extreme liberals who would say the police should not mind and we should tolerate islamist extremists doing things like that, I don't think so. I also oppose people pooing on war memorials, are you one of those extreme liberals who support desicration of our war graves for a laugh, I hope not. We need more decorum in our society, lock up the thugs and the louts, put young thugs and drunks in national service, teach you some manners ,some respect, good morals, less of this laughing at the weakest in society, teach you some respect, ps the judge was just having a laugh at his expense, he was just having a joke, so that makes it ok what he did on your book, huh, just a joke ha ha. Knew it would rile up, lolz. Lol
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@Rhyds86 Funny you think it's ok to mock victims of the Holocaust, but whine away dourly for dankula all day long, I ain't saying dankula deserved to go to jail, for the wokesters joke, but do you defend the wokesters for their prank joke, of locking dankula up, do you defend the wokesters for that prank. I am sure not. You defend pranks against Holocaust victims, but not pranks against comedians who mock Holocaust victims, hypocrisy.why do you oppose the pranks of wokesters, but not of non wokesters, and ps, linehan as far as I am aware, and correct me if I am wrong, is not a judge a d has no legal authority in Scotland, or any other country, as far as I am aware and correct me if I am wrong, he is not Scotlands judge dread, deciding all arrests and sentences, his words are not laws, and he does not decide who gets jobs, otherwise you should be thanking linehan for dankula being interviewed by pears morgan, and getting a job as a ukp Candidate, as obviously in your view linehan has total control over all the words hiring practices, of every country and person on the globe😭😭😭😭, ps I am being super ironic.
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I don't support trump. I think we should accept trans people in our society, and I myself would have no problem working with someone who was trans, just the way Dawkins was friendly with Jan Morris, I would even be happy to use people's pronouns. What I find reprehensible is the aggressive overbearing nature of trans rights activists on certain nuanced issues. Let'sook at women's safe spaces, we should not call women, or the men who support those women bigots just for arguing that there are some points in favor of biologicl males, or trans women, using women's safe spaces. It's a legitimate debate. The same goes for women's sports. If we have women's sports, surely it is not because of cultural differences between men and women, surely it is as of differences in biology. And just calling someone a bigot, as they disagree with you, is so unreasonable. I think arguing for trans rights is a perfectly legit thing to do in a democracy, but why are so many trans rights activists, so aggressive and abusive, virtually every time they comment, they have some abusive remark aimed at who they speak to. All they do is shout bigot, which is not a argument, it just pushes people away from your side, antagonizes them. Most people today could not care less if a biological male wears women clothes and identifies as a woman, do what you like, but trans rights activists online, are just rude, and abusive. I mean come on, if course some people are going to debate these issues, don't just call them bigots, well good day to you, and what insult have you got for me next, love to you, love to trans people, love to all people, but hey come on what abusive remark have got for me, ps I don't like bullying or rude people., have you got any respect for others, or are you just going to insulte @themaestro3034
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That's not fair, she is clearly left wing. She has traditionally backed labour, and remain. She backed the Iranian women protestors, and opposez trump. She even weighed in on Scottish independence , which I think upset some people, which I think was silly for such a proudly civil movement. It is not the same, to have segregation in terms of race for toilets, for to have separate bathrooms for men and women. There is no sensible safeguarding reason to have separate toilets for white and black people. But it is sensible to have different public toilets for men and women, for all sorts of safeguarding reasons. Maybe there is a argument for unisex in some situations, but not all. Also she does but demand people conform to certain womenhood looks. She like most gender critical people believe a woman can be short, or tall, a secretary or anything, even in the army, but just by having short hair or doing a macho job it does not make you a different gender. Like her famous quote, dress how they like, call themselves what they like, and then she said, a person born a biological male,is still man whether they wear a three piece suit or a flowery 👗 dress. So no, she does not believe in gender stereotypes, I mean she even had a male pen name, and has female characters like Hermione be the heroes. Also the debate she had about the boxers was a complex topic as Richard Dawkins talks.
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@pipinpip in 2020, every party leader was afraid to say what a woman is. Now in 2024, the Tory leader is the leading gc person in the party. Stamer agrees biologico males should not be in women's sports. Even snp leader John Swinney says there are only two genders, the reform party George Galloway and britains leading communist party plus sinn fein, uup and dup, all accept some gc ideas as well, JK Rowling has crushed a boycott v her, and wes streeting, is gc now as well. Scotland the most left wing country in Europe has massive polling against gender idealogy.🎉 As of the prison case. And there have been legal wins, Maya Forrester and the like. P s no way on a million years do I think being trans should be illegal, I think there is a debate about should the state fund operations, but all gc people believe is biological sex exists, we should tolerate and accept trans people, none should be disliked or fired for be trans, but there should be nuanced laws accepting biological sex exists, for women's sports, safe spaces, and accepting biological males whatever they identify, have higher rates of certain types of aggression. Just as all the putrid insults linehan has against him on this comment page, shows.
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@monkeybudge Norm MacDonalds brother is a major Canadian journalist, Dan akroyd is the son of a major Canadian political advisor , a lot of comedians.are clever. Look at Rich Hall, very well read. Billy conolly is smart, and old Jasper carrott, Robin Williams was a genius, Weird al yankovic has a IQ on the stratosphere, and Stephen fry is a clever fellow, and Harry Enfield is pretty smart. they do have a capacity for independent thought, that politicians often don't. Politicians are virtually silenced by the media, and by special interests, and to be honest Joe Rogan may have some views many people disagree with, but he can hold a sensible conversation with anyone from mad conspiracy theorists to major businessmen and leading figures. Look at Conan o brien he is the son of a leading medical fellow. And Julia Dreyfuss was from the scions of the Dreyfuss family. And I think Dylan Moran and Tommy tiernan are high IQ also.
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@markpong5435 but surely it's as there top universities in places. I mean when Germany had the top universities it won that, but as of the war that stopped. I am sure in the medieval and roman era, Italians would have won every novel prize, in the dark ages, the Chinese, in the neolithic, a bunch of Egyptians and iraqis. In the 18th century, Scotland would have won every novel prize there was. Scotland made most of the greatest inventions in history, which would have annoyed a certain nationality to the south, as it was part of the richest empire, booming. And had the best education system there. Ps my Korean car is pretty good. And well done the Basques as well in circumnavigators. Dont let anybody slag off the Basques.
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@Zippitydoodah007 ,Nobody hates trans people, they just wants the sport to be for biological women. Ps there are so many causes in the world, so instead of campaigning for biologicl men in women's sports, why not campaign for the homeless, there are 500,000 rough sleepers in the USA, or fir peace in the holy land, or how 350 children due of malnutrition a day. Campaign on those issues, not for something nobody wants, or needs.
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I think Dawkins would be very accepting and friendly and understanding of you. He uses preferred pronouns. He does not hate trans people, what is happening is right wingers are paying fake left wingers to say horrible things about other left wingers on this issue, they like to claim, Dawkins hates trans, even though he does not, as it then splits lbg people away from him. Conveniently for the right, they don't tell these people to hate right wingers. These right wingers doing this are just doing tired old special services tactics of divide and rule. Don't hate Dawkins. Dawkins is a ally if you, most people do not have, and never will have gender disphoria, so their belief in biological sex, is as inherent, to them, as you could imagine. Don't push those people into the hate camp, Dawkins would tolerate you in every way with delight, but just acknowledges biological women and men are part of life, it's not hate. Friend.
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Kellbell-z6i well even in your view, gething is the grandson of generations of Welshmen Welsh women. So you are abusing his Welsh ancestors by denying his Welsh heritage. Wales actually likes accepting people into it's nationality, I mean actually if a JFK had a Welsh grandpa, most true Welsh nationalists would shout that from the roof tops, like some do about how abraham lincoln, despite him being mostly English in ancestor, had some welsh links, wales does the same for the tudors, hubert humphrey, and even the much derided hilary clinton, the basques do this as well.
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@7n154 as in my experience that is not so. But even then, for most things, I think it's ok for women to choose to be police officers, or such, and there should be qualifications you need to pass. Some women and some men will pass these. But it's not fair to demand that womens sports have biological males in their events, if we have women's sports, it's unfair to have people not born women, in those events, its a unfair competitive advantage. I am not saying no women are good at sports, I am sure the best wnba players, and javelin throwers would beat many men, but I think having men in the women's events is a unfair advantage. You raise interesting questions, but I think the needle can be threaded quite easily to accepting biological differences, and allowing women to have rights as well. Though yes, I think some roles like combat soldiers are more suited to biological males, I can understand there being a argument for some exceptional women passing the tests, to serve in these exceptional fields, and no doubt there are plenty of women who would do better at the navy seals tests, than me at my peak, but yes thats a thing where i hope operational realities are considered highest. Not pure political correctness, I bet hr McMaster would have it right on that.
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😮If biological sex does not exist, why am I able to tell which players at Wimbledon are men, and which are women, the only reason some dodgy over defensive pseudo scientists now in their journals, describe biological sex as "more complicated than youuuuuu! Think," in tone belying even they know their agenda is on shaky ground intellectually, is as if a tiny percentage of people on the edges who are intersex, who yes exist, but they want to talk about them to undermine the clear obvious existence of biological sex, so they can muddy the waters of the term, and then shoehorn biological males who identify as women into the category of women. It's just ridiculous. Thank God or the universe for Collin Wright.
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@RobThomson-x8g that is exactly why this happened, as the people in society who should have protected those people, did not want to act to protect those children. Just like happened in the Jimmy Saville case. Thank the Lord we had people like JK Rowling and Helen Joyce noticing the potential and actual abused from self id, stamping out it's most extreme elements, if it were not for heroes like JK rowling, campaigning despite orwellian hate campaigns v them, against intact biological males, convicted of the worst crimes against women being put in women's prison cells, then that horrific dystopian act would have still been occurring. These two ladies made sacrifices against a idealogy of great power, if only the people who knew what was going on in Rochdale, but did nothing about it, who then try and blame everyone else for it, had jk rowlings sense of moral goodness. She deserves a nobel prize.
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Good interview, yes churchill was amazing for standing up to the no,ncies, i meant nazis. I don't know what the tucker Carlson view on foreign policy is. I find is, I mean if a country invaded the USA, would he say USA should fight, or if a strategic ally is invaded. I mean I suppose it's a nice pacifist view, but does that really work, if your the major power. I just don't believe right wingers are really pacifists. As all I hear from tucker is like a aping of Michael Moore, on foreign policy, and I don't believe Palaeo conservatives are really like that.i mean look at orban, his wing have that hingarian expansionist section, though maybe orban opposes that.
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Putin invaded Ukraine, and you can't blame them for the Israeli Palestine war, what do you think they should have done, just surrender to Russia and Iran. I mean you can believe that if you wish, but surely they are just following post war policy on Ukraine, and us policy on Israel, it's not their fault Hamas did October the 7th, or that Israel was recognized by the USA decades ago. I mean they are not war mongers, they never invaded anywhere, and looks like Iran and the Palestinians fear trump more which is why they gave up the hostages just before he arrived, before he gave Israel even bigger weapons and the green light to be even tougher. I mean Biden has almost let the taleban and Yemen do what they like, gnd has not been invading them either. I think the only place you have a argument is Israel , but even there if USA did not give Israel weapons, it would probably see some mass invasion the other way around, and horrific expulsions , so it's difficult to say what to do there. The thing I find annoying is Iran and Russia supposedly launched their attacks as they thought Biden is a weakling, when he showed that he was not prepared to just let allies be walked all over. Then when Trump comes to power, threatening a madman tactic, all these horrible dictators say, ok boss, we will free the hostages, and give you what you like sir. Even Yemen, they never attacked Israel, Biden makes the Saudis stop attacking it, and lifts sanctions on Iran, so Iran and Israel decides well that's the time to attack. I mean what's the point, so on that case, internationalism and being nice is not rewarded, only horrible psycho brinkmanship is seen as acceptable by these anti Western powers. But surely the problem with that, is either you always surrender, like trump did in Afghanistan, or you act bellicose and cause a war, like Germany in world war one. I think internationalism is right, but you can't just lay down to invaders surely.
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Stewart Lee is working class, and adam buxton is upper middle class, both are high status individuals. And fine comics. But linehan and gold are class acts, for standing for the truth on this issue. Great blokes. I don't think the elite are class bound, i think its more like 1984, i think Orwell was painting a picture of British intelegica, left and right, of living in a academic bubble, that looks down on the lower less educated, as to be ignored , to be kind of looked down on a bit. I mean in some ways we are hyper egalitarian, but look at this debate, where yrans activists, and elites kind of see average public opinion, as brutish, ignorant and prole, i think the book Orwell was almost like a parody of British elites in some ways, merged with the horrors of soviet communism. Saying that, there are good thinks about British elites, left wing, and upper class, that we need,band even of some aspects of the ussr, like its equality, and space.
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Why would a scientific paper decide the definition of a word like gender, surely that is decided by language professors and society, or sociology, or even just arbitrary opinion, which in this sense is more a language field, than science. I mean if someone classifies Greenland and Australia continents, in a paper , that's a opinion, not science in itself, if someone classifies gender as different to sex , that again is just a opinion, a choice of definitions, it's not science. It's more tautology than science.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss that was a very long essay, and I have not the time to answer all. It's too tiring. But gender critical people do not want to oppress trans people. Dawkins and Rowling are not calling them freaks, they would treat them politely and as human beings,. Like he did to Jan Morris, All they are saying is biological sex exists, and has consequences, and law should therefore be structured with that reality in mind. A biological male who identifies as a female is much a threat to women, as a biological male who identifies as a man. Also I would say be who you want to be, but also accept biological sex exists. I condemn anybody who bullies people for being trans, but gender critical feminists have a problem with trans biological males who identify as women in women's sport as of them being biological males, not as they are trans. Also to be honest I would say the people at the bottom of society in many ways, below trans, in terms of their treatment are the homeless, the severely mentally challenged, the severely disabled, some criminals, some victims of crimes even after the crimes , afghan women, thelidimdide sufferers and the like, i mean look on the bright side. On some things trans are actually quite elite, like there were three trans roman emperors, so let's not pretend you are like pathetic creatures, your not treated like jennifer Lawrence or arnie in their prime, but few of us are. I get called horrible names as well, but I don't twist this into reasons to blame nice people like jk Rowling.
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@Cardinal_Hordriss why do trans activists always compare biological men competing in women's sports, to black women competing in women's sports. It's really racism to say that. I mean why do they never say, well if it's ok for young white canadian daughters of the liberal middle class to compete in women's sports, it's ok for big tough biological males to compete. It's as they are racist. Also jk Rowling is a hero, for standing up to Orwellian bullies, who twist her words, . And nobody said those boxers are trans, they say they are intersex, which is very different. Also look af Rachel devine, that's someone with power, who has used it for trans rights activism as well. And I agree most people in power at not at all trans, but it is wrong to ignore the concerns of others, with throwvawayvdismiss
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I dont hate trans people, if we had a trans pm, I would have no problem, if I had a trans work mate, I would have no problem, if i had a trans kid, or wife or husband , or doctor, i would not mind. By gosh trans are no threats to us whatever per say. What I hate is bullying trans activists calling people names, for saying biological sex exists. I abhor that, as I hate people being condemned for saying inoffensive truth, that people should just get over and accept. When you consider there are guys with no arms and legs, or who are blind and such, who don't go around hating everybody for not agreeing with everything they say, it gets on my nerves that people call Dawkins and Rowling names when they are nice people, just for not agreeing with then, and there are plenty of gangsters, dictators bullies, thugs and skinhead, racists, and bullies fior them to hate, but these bullies pick on jk rowling, for defending biological women, from a nuanced feature of debate. Stop calling people horrible names for not agreeing wholeheartedly with your idealogy, stop being bigots, it's horrible what extreme trans activists say about nice decent left wingers, just for saying biological sex exists and has consequences. Stop calling people bigoted, or ignorant or far right, just as they say biological sex exists. We should love everyone non trans, and trans, but don't call people bigots for saying biological sex exists. Stop it, it's not nice.
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But the boomerang is a super intelligent invention, could you dream that up, even my hero Andrew Selkirk, did not do that, surely the rest of the world was so linked, it built off each other, Chinese gun powder and paper, the silk road, Arab scientists and European ones as well. Surely if Australiia had been off the coast of Japan or Spain, it would have got that tech sooner, and has been the same level as the rest of the world. Look at rural parts of Europe and China which were in bronze age poverty to 1900, look at the fact there were aborigine teachers and scientists even in the 19th century. And all the aborigines I have seen on tv were cleverer than a IQ of 60, look at the poverty of st kilda in 1900, which was part of Scotland, probably the most advanced nation on earth in the 19th century.
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@Panfila303 by being born a male, you have advantages, men are on average, taller and bigger, that counts a lot in volleyball. Like 6 5 Lauren Jackson s brother is 6 10, and could pick her up with ease in his prime. Geva mentor 6 3, has a brother 6 10 as well. Being born male is a unfair advantage in women's sports. Like even if a person who finishes 20th is found to be taking performance enhancement drugs, it's just as unfair as if the person who finishes first did. And if someone who finishes first in a woman event, turns out to be biological males, it's just as unfair as if someone who finishes 20th turns out to have been born biological males, it's simply a unreasonable advantage in women's sport.
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@johnrussell3961 I was not condemning Mr Stamer, I was just saying, its a shame she left the party, as most Labour voters, would agree with her on most things, and she certainly is not more aligned to Tory, Reform or Green voters, and even Lib Dems as they are more extreme on the things she opposes than Labour at times. So its a shame, as probably she is as down the road, centre left as can be. She is not extreme on anything, and likely chimes with most 2024 election Labour voters. So its a shame she left. But I suppose really its just a excuse, and really she was very unhappy with the way she was treated by certain other members, for her rather moderate views on a certain other issue. Which to be fair, most Labour policy now chimes with her to a extent. But maybe it shall be fun for her to have 5 years as a rent a mouth independent, and really considering the way she was treated maybe thats her right. And really also it wont harm Labours majority. Maybe she will be able to appears on Question time all the time now, as a indepdent voice,
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@venga3 Dankulas terrible act was training his dog to get excited and happy, when mentioning the gassing of victims of the Holocaust, a very unfunny and strange act. Nothing to be proud of, and anybody who condemned him for that was within their rights. Ps I think dankula should be forgiven for his stupid act, but don't act like what he did was done heroic act, I am sure he has done good stuff for people, and made good jokes in his life, but that stupid thing he did was dumb. Not that any of us are perfect, and to be honest dankulas friends should have told him it was dumb as well. So let's forgive dankula, but also accept linehan has every right to say biological sex exists, like Dawkins says it does.
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Because it is unfair to have biological males in women's sports. Keep women's sports best achievements for the best biological women, like karsta lowe, Gabrielle Reece, Lisa Leslie, Ekaterina gamova, Lauren Jackson, etc, it not fair to have their achievements taken by biological males. We can love trans, but we have women's sports,vas biological women exists, not as of gender.
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What if the joke by dankula, instead of being about Jewish victims of the Holocaust, would you find it ok if it was about Stalin's victims, or pol pots victims, or that grandfather who was jailed for his amateur harmless sign about the new world order, and died of a heart attack in jail this year, would you laugh at jokes about them, I would never laugh at any of those victims, including the poor grandfather, or Stalin's victims, or the victims of the Holocaust, I remember watching a documentary on pol pot, and I was physically shaking from it, I can't understand why anybody would enjoy mocking victims of the Holocaust, it's horrible.
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@jacobesterson he was mocking the victims of the Holocaust, as he was talking about, gassing a specific eth ix group, , I will not insert that word, it's such a shocking thing he said, I can't write it. And look at all the pro far right comments on this comment section of people who liked dankula so called joke. There is a guy saying we fought on the wrong side in WW2, a d a other guy giving combat 18 style cryptic messages. I know dankula is not that at all. But loads of his supporters online on this issue, seem to branch out into that. He could condemn them. And it was a insensitive thing to do . He could just have said, sorry if I caused any offense, instead of acting like there is something to be proud about in jokes that mock the victims of the Holocaust.
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And Alistair Campbell statement, about the horrible fear he has, and well done him for saying he has this fear, that biological males who identify as women, trans women, may be beaten up in men's toilets. Well surely that is admitting that men are more aggressive than women. Why is it a flat out statement that biological males identify as women shouldn't be in men's toilets because men are so aggressive, where is it ok then to put certain biological males in women's toilets, is there a fear then biological woman could be beaten up by these biological males, who identify as women. The stats as far as I am aware, don't indicate that biological males who identify as women become women in every way, the criminal statistics indicate that trans women are closer to what you would call cis men in many crime statistics, than to cis wome. It doesn't change because they identify as a different gender. If you perceive yourself to be a different gender, you are still likely to have statistically the same threats and danger towards women as if you identified as what you were observed at birth as. That's not me being hateful, that's just an observed reality. We should be tolerant and kind to trans people, but just to ignore the fears of those women, to me just seems to be kind of I don't get it, surely you can genuinely tolerant and understanding towards the fears of those women. I don't understand this kind of just ignoring those fears.
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🎉❤In most situations we don't need to care, and can be happy and inclusive, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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It's amazing how many ethnicities there are in the Caucasian Caspian areas, and they are all in just 7 countries. I love hearing about these societies. I can think of over 20, it's like a mini continent. But I have a question, are some of those ones in Iran, more like Occitians in France, as in virtually French now, or is it more like comparing the french and the Spanish, two different nations. Just asking. I did not even know the groups existed, and I love knowing these kind of things, the Lurs, amazing, hope they all get along and have peace. My fave one is that tiny Georgian one who apparently went to world war one in armour amazing. The Khevsureti.
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❤❤In most situations we don't need to care, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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Why are people so obsessed about thus dank fellow. As far as i am aware linehan is not in charge of the British justice system, and has no power over anything that has ever happened to him. A so has dank apologised, and have you apologized to the jews who died in the Holocaust, who he mocked by training his dog to get excited at the mention of gassing them. A weird and strange thing to do. So when is your apology. What if a Islamic extremist did what Dank did, would you see him as a hero if he did that., I hope not. What has happened to people today, they just seem to be self important people who demand they be allowed to do whatever they want without any idea of decorum. Horrible bullies insulting JK Rowling for saying biological sex exists, and other unpleasant people proclaiming they should be allowed to make horrible jokes about the victims of the Holocaust, purely dehumanising and laughing at them, and then being upset for years when sensible people tell them they were wrong. I think we need more decorum, we should be condemning religious extremists, far right extremists and trans rights extremists to account, they are all different sides of the same coin, and it is good when the establishment condemn these movements., and limit their hateful ideaologies and lies. JK Rowling is right on just about everything. Make her President.
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The thing about all the Dankula fans, is the fact they are still griping about what Linehan said 10 years ago, which had no influence over anything. Then these hypocrits claim Dankula should be allowed to say whatever he likes, with no decorum at all. Can you see the hypocricy here, they still have their knickers in a twist over something Linehan said 10 year ago, which was probably just a brilliant joke by Linehan, but think Dankula should be allowed to mock the victims of the most horrible crime in human history. No Dankula did not decide to mock a powerful political leader, or celebrity or the perptrators of the crime, he mocked the poor innocent victims, (Which he spent a good amount of time training his dog to do) and these Dankula fans, dont condemn Dankula they condemn Linehan, just as Linehan makes jokes people actually find funny, PS I know most extreme trans activists are just far right people pretending to be trans activists. PS, are you wanting me to apologise to Dankula as well, and you, Coz I aint going to,
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❤❤In most situations we don't need to care, and can be happy and inclusive, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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@CarlLo-mein-k3i all the evidence indicates that racists usually have low iqs, while anti racism people like Oppenheimer or Dawkins or such like have high iqs. Have you ever talked to people from various races, there is no way in a million years that IQs are substantially different for different races. I have lived a long time, and talked to people of different races, and there is not one , that to me stands out as all are mostly super intelligent, and there is not one that stands out as particularly stupid. I think IQs are remarkably similar worldwide, other than educational systems. Ps bringing in the chip on your shoulder rubbish, does not wash with me, it's just boring and the fact that the huge chip on your shoulder poor me stuff you trot out is your main obsession indicates that. Just talk to people of different races, and you will find your theory on IQ has no semblance in day to day reality. You can believe there were colonial injustices, and historical effects, without believing that certain groups need to be classed as evil. I don't think white people or East Asians are evil, but do realise, that history has effects on some places being richer or poorer. All you have to do is talk to people of other races, and it's clear. Also in the modern globalized world most advances are by globally sourced egg heads in top universities. A d you misunderstood what the word equality means, like in 1984, when ingsoc try to ban the word, and make it mean the same as same. It does not mean that, it means respecting all as equal citizens in certain situations, with certain caveats like law, or some such. Which most would want for them self. If you talk to people of different races, you will see there is not the huge difference you want to believe in. It's not me being politically correct, it's just what I have experienced in life, your theory that different races have naturally different levels of IQ, does not hold up to every day experience, and life. The reason most clever people dont agree with you, is the opposite of what you believed was proven to be true, by reality.
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I was followed by a road rager why, I have no idea, on a road in Yorkshire, where I don't live, I was driving, and saw the car behind was right up behind, and both young men had a angry expression. I slowed and stopped at a lay by, they did also, then started again, making sure it was just enough to make them start after the next flow of traffic, then luckily I saw a lay by just for one car, before a strong corner, I managed to stop there, they could not as they were in a flow of traffic, then I started and went down a other road on my journey, and even went round a big roundabout a few times, to make sure they were not behind. I lost them.
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He does not think you should not be allowed to change gender, he said he has great respect for Jan Morris, he does not hate trans people. And I am sure, like me, he would abhor anybody who beat someone up for being trans. I don't think he ever said trans is cosplay, he believes gender disphoria exists. He has expressed compassion for people who have it, he does not hate trans people. Please don't miss state what people say, and don't blame him for what horrible people do, , the horrible people who beat people up for being trans, are the horrible people, don't excuse their horrible behavior by blaming Richard Dawkins.
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@calumlambert is there really such a thing as a female brain and a male brain. Surely if there is, why do stats for trans women on many things, have a closer comparison to biological males than to biological females. Surely all it is, is some biological males perceived themselves to be women, and yes some will have more feminine traits than most other biological males, but equally some biological males who perceive they are women, actually have much less feminity than that. As shown by the trans rights protests a week ago, where many were holding aggressive banners with dehumanizing threatening terms towards what they dismissively call terfs. I am not sure from my experiences that the fact someone perceived themselves to be the gender of the opposite sex, makes them have a women's brain, because in my experience they usually seem more masculine in persona before transition than feminine, and a lot of stats involving male female safeguarding indicate that as well.
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IQ depends on many things, look at Massachusetts, a far higher IQ than most European countries, whereas most of the USA, is below them, look at most racists, most are very stupid. Weird al yankovic IQ is way above average USA or even Europe IQ, and no IQ test has ever found any group anywhere near his IQ, surely the IQ differences found are tiny, and probably caused by economics, really. Clever people have iqs in the 130 range, or 150, no race or nationality is anywhere near that. So iq differences are at most tiny and uncertain. And populations have wide variance. IQ is not racial, it's educational.
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@LOwens-xf8yo so are you saying that if someone likes pink, or dolls, that means they are female, and even if they were born male, that they should be treated as a female. I have been getting told by many trans rights activists that nobody is gendered as female, just as they like pink or dolls, but are you saying they do, and get medicalized with puberty blockers, even before school, so it does happen after all. In how big numbers, is it hundreds a year in the USA, like some guys said on Joe Rogan.
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@operationgoldfish8331 biological sex exists, two plus two is four, you can't hold back that truth, I don't know, somehow Orwellianism will be defeated, something will defeat it, the spirit of man, the truth, orwellian gender idealogy just won't win. You may consider gender critical views crime think, and condemn me for not doing duck speak, you may be considered doubleplusgood for your condemnation of me wright, on your five minutes of hate against him, But the spirit of truth wins, jk Rowling is right. P.s one of the people you suggested as a source said that jk Rowling should be arrested, under Scotttish hate crime law, something the authorities said would not happen, you should not be paying more attention to people who support Orwellianism positions like jailing people for saying things that do not go along with gender idealogy, you should find moderates, to tell me about. JK Rowling is good, and Richard Dawkins. Biological women exists. Ps I won't last ok up any sources you suggest, as one of the people you suggested tried to claim the horrible murder of a trans teen, which was a horrible thing to occur,nwas to some extent jk Rowling and other gc peoples fault,which one as a bullying orwellian method of trying to silence others. It's this hatefulness from trans rights activists that they must reduce.
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Fighting has no place in football, any sane person would run away from football hooligans. Football hooligans are neanderthals whatever club they support, ruining a beautiful game, I don't care if they support my team, or somebody else's, football hooligans are just football hooligans and should be banned from every stadium, and from being near any stadium. Football is just a game, any neanderthals whoever they support, linked to looking for trouble and fighting, should be barred from even being near a football crowd. And those who keep away from such trouble are right, it's just a game, kicking a ball about.
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It was important to fight against this orwellian idealogy that there were politicians, and celebrities to fight back. JK Rowling and Richard Dawkins, Ricky gervais, were too big to cancel, the small fry like the odd dance director or social worker were successfully cancelled by orwellian Bigots on this issue, but linehan was in between, more a back room staff guy who most people of that ilk were successfully cancelled, but as he appeared on camera every so often, he was able to use this, and ironically he has become more famous for opposing this orwellian ideai than the comedy circuit he has been banned from. His voice is important in fighting this obviously hateful orwellian idealogy. I am not saying he is perfect, but he is a bit of a dark angel on this issue, really annoys the trans rights bully wing. Love to trans people, but the gender deology fanatics is so bad, even their moderates campaign for jailing people who don't agree with them. I m am their main sportsperson in Britain said JK Rowling should be arrested, that's mad extreme.
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Very good, but is there a fear the Brandenburg tests only gets used for white supremacists, rightly we did not see it used regarding bin laden terrorists, they were all put in gitmo. Otherwise Doyle is brilliant, great stuff from him. There might be a argument for some kind of re-establish decorum, fining the costume guy, but I can't defend people being jailed, or especially if the law was never really debated, and is just a radical interpretation of the law, I mean at least if we now where we stand that's bad enough, but laws being radically reinterpreted is not on is awful.
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I don't think Dawkins has anything against adults choosing to do what they want to. Remember he has much respect for Jan Morris. But we do need nuanced laws, tolerating and accepting trans people, but accepting for safeguarding that biological sex exists, for sports, dating, and women's safe spaces. Also there are reasnoble debates about puberty blockers, and transitioning for non adults, and Dawkins accepts that, he is actually the moderate living caring centrist moderate view, neither hateful and nasty far right, or biological denying trans rights extremists. He has it just right.
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@ScorpionSuerte i did see Aled Jones in London once, but he was a adult by then, he counts as a choir singer, but why are you referencing those singers, what's your interest in them, is that you are saying the Welsh are great at singing as of genetics, if so, Shirley bassey and tom Jones, yes, that shows it's cultural as well, as both have heritage as well from outside Wales.😊 congratulations scoropin for your keen interest in the subject t if Welsh singers. Ps if there were any unpleasant connotations in your remarks, it shows the repulsiveness and sordid lowest of the low way, that racists normally are, normally racists are the worst in everything, in what is going through their minds and everything, unpleasantness, and low iqs. But I am sure you were only referencing that the Welsh are famed as great singers. Also you spell than, thab, which is not a sign you understand accuracy, so please never be a air traffic controller, or pilot, please leave that to people of all races, who have greater accuracy abilities, you unpleasant individual.
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@andrewjones-productions yes, his father is Welsh, and Vaughan is Welsh name, he has also lived in Wales most of his life, if we barred people from office, as some of their ancestors were born from outside Wales, I think there would be few people who could be politicians in Wales and certainly eastern Wales, I think it's ok to condemn him for his policies, but people being racist about him, is awful, and i dont think most people in Wales or the uk, would support that kind of racism. The amount of aggressive hateful vitriol about his ethnicity on this comment page is shocking, and very unrepresentative of most people. I have never met anybody who holds the racist beliefs shared by so many hateful people on this comment page. And certainly no one. Also I better say ps I won't read any replies, as people as hateful as what you are seeing here, are not somebody I choose to speak to, and my life is much better for it.
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There is no way iqs are.drastically different, if you ever met people of other races you will know they are pretty much similar in IQ. The range is probably a difference of ten at most, except for some cultural causations, like if a country has a national education system, with higher education for all its bounds to have higher average iqs, than one without. The differences in IQ are negligible, unlike voting for right wing and populist parties, which is often something done by people of much lower IQ, especially when you remember IQ is only significant when you get to 120 or 140, or down to 80, and no nationality or race , taking out cultural bias, of IQ tests is truly on either of any end of that spectrum.
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Dankula trained his dog to get excited at the mention of the Holocaust, a strange thing to do which we can forgive him for, but dankula should not be proud of that. Just like Catherine Tate is not funny, and some modern art is crap, we can condemn dankula. S linehan did not jail dankula, a judge did, linehan has no power over the Justice system, and dankula just went to jail, as he refused to pay a fine, that could be paid off by his backers. Dankula should be forgiven, but ashamed of his rubbish act, just like a man who poos in the street should be. Linehan should be proud he stated the truth that biological sex exists, and him being cancelled is like someone being cancelled for knowing two plus two is four. ,
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Rowling and gold and Dawkins would abhor anybody being bullied or beaten up for being trans. But in the debate on trans rights, definitely it's just macho slogans hate, and orwellianism and gas lighting from trans activists, v effete intellectual respectful tone writing, tip toe careful language gender critical people, who always say they respect trans people and oppose bullying v them. And the Dana Rivers case, and others are indicative of the aggressive nature of extreme trans rights activists, while Dawkins sitting at a desk saying he has compassion and understanding for jan Morris, is indicative of the GC side.hebis not effete, but gc women are. Indeed most mainstream trans rights campaigners believe people should be arrested, or fired or cancelled for expressing gender critical views, believing in a policy of fear, making people scared to be gc, which gc people do not believe in vice versa.
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@N6TH9N John Oliver is an embarrassment on this issue, he once said puberty blockers are reversible, and did it in his typical aggressive shouting manner, when how could that even possibly be true, it makes no sense whatsoever. Once he claimed on the Stephen Colbert show that the English fourth division is a amateur league, when they are paid five times the average wage, just as he could not be bothered explaining the facts, and he is always acting like if he were a wimpy coward, when talking about himself in self depreciating ways, when he would be nowhere near where he is if that were true. For some unknown reason him and John Stewart have decided to support trans women in women's sports, and to me bring the English fourth division is amateur, for the sake of a argument, style logic to this debate. No matter how loud John Oliver shouts at the top of his voice, this year's at the end of his tether, that biological males have no advantage over biological women in sports, even though the male record is ahead of the female record in every sport I know of, it does not make it so, and injecting the biological males with chemicals to make them specifically weaker, at a specific rate to make them just less muscular enough to compete with less muscular women, I mean that's just like using drugs to compete really. And in all honesty anyway, if you were born a biological male, you are on average for a little bit taller than if you had been born a biological female, so even from the app that you're getting the advantage of being born a biological male, so that's an unfair advantage in sport over people who had been born biological females. If you had a 6-ft man who then competed as a 6-ft woman, if he had been born a woman then on average he would have been 5 ft 8, so he has the advantage of being taller, then a 5 foot 10 woman. When is he had been born a woman he would have been shorter. And there would likely be over advantages as well. When is people are so desperate for biological males to be competing in women's sports, when there is already a biological male section to compete in, well why don't these people campaigning for that, just concentrate on some more important thing like ending wars and curing poverty. And they can leave the rest of us have biological men's sports for biological men and biological woman sports for biological woman.
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Although its sad to admit this, i think the most attractive ancient images of women, are these minoan ones, plus some from i think its indonesian, Cambodian or Indian temples, its like they were done by 1990s lads mags computer designers, to attract young men, most ancient images are just more sedate, which is also great and respectful . Not that there is anything wrong with the people who made the very attractive ones, well done them. Its all human experience, and a major part of our story.
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♥️🇬🇧🇪🇺In most situations we don't need to bother either way, and we absolutely should accept trans people in those situations in inclusive nice ways, but in some like women's safe spaces, and women's sports, it is unfair and has dangers to not acknowledge biological sex exists. Dawkins is also someone criticized for saying biological sex exists, but was friends with Jan Morris before most of his ignorant haters were born, he does NOT hate trans people, he has a intelligent nuanced view on the issue, supporting tolerance, within the confines, of accepting biological sex exists, not a puritan idealogical zealotry, of putting trans rights extremism above every human experience. The overbearing bullying arrogant aggressive mansplaining impervious macho nature of most extreme trans rights activists is indicative of sex differences, and why we need some recognition in laws and safeguarding that biological women exist, it's just glaring reality. Like me I can tell which people are men and which are women, evolution made that useful adaption for us. Love to all, ❤❤ we should oppose bullying of trans people, but it is ok to sensible nuanced laws which accept sex exists.
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