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This is why it's legal to shoot cops. Thank you Supreme court. Supreme court statute and a few current events. I have many more.
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State,
136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S.,177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
Ray Rosas a hispanic man shot 3 of them, legally. "CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas — A Nueces County jury that acquitted a man who shot Corpus Christi police officers executing a raid on his home said a “botched” operation and contradicting testimony led to their decision."
Henry Magee killed one as well. "DALLAS — A Central Texas man who shot and killed a sheriff's deputy entering his home will not be charged with capital murder, attorneys said Thursday. A local grand jury declined Wednesday to indict Henry Goedrich Magee for the Dec. 19 death of Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, who was part of a group of investigators executing a search warrant for Magee's rural home."
Jessie Murray a black man also has killed one... "Murray’s account of what happened during a 2014 bar fight was that Forest Park police Officer Nathan Adams jumped Murray and Murray accidentally shot and killed Adams. "
Unnamed man shoots two cops.
"Two Maryland police officers were shot while serving a drug-related search warrant at the wrong apartment late Wednesday, according to law enforcement officials. The resident shot the officers as soon as they opened the door, thinking they were home invaders, authorities said. No criminal charges will be filed against the man, Prince George's County Police Chief Hank Stawinski said Thursday."
Daniel Szabo shot at coast guard members trying to board him and was only charged with failure to stop since the boarding was illegal.
"A federal jury has found a man accused of firing at a U.S. Coast Guard crew not guilty of both weapons charges handed down in an indictment by a grand jury in September.
Daniel Michael Szabo, 41, was facing a possible life prison sentence for charges of trying to kill a Coast Guard officer during a boarding and using a firearm while committing a violent crime.
But jurors on April 6 only found Szabo guilty of failing to stop his vessel when ordered to do so by the Coast Guard."
Kimberly Moore and Eduardo Padilla legally shot a/at cop(s) "CALDWELL COUNTY, Texas — The Caldwell County district attorney confirmed that he has dropped all charges against a couple in connection to the shooting of a sheriff's deputy 13 months ago."
Man drags cops with his car legally.
"A Buffalo man(Marcus Prewitt) who was accused of dragging two police officers in a car following a traffic stop was acquitted of assault charges earlier this month using a rare defense: He said he was scared for his life."
Ray Shetler Jr legally shoots cop who shot at him first.
"In February, Ray Shetler Jr. was found not guilty on charges of first- and third-degree murder, terroristic threats and simple assault in the death of Officer Lloyd Reed. During the trial, witnesses testified that Officer Reed ordered Shetler to drop a rifle and the officer opened fire when Shetler did not comply. Shetler returned fire, striking Reed outside the officer’s bulletproof vest."
John DeRossett shoot at cops striking one in the abdomen.
"John DeRossett will not face further prosecution in the shooting of a Brevard County Sheriff's Deputy, an appellate court has ruled.
The decision — issued Wednesday — ends the prosecution of John DeRossett, 60, on the attempted premeditated first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer while discharging a firearm. DeRossett spent nearly five years at the Brevard County Jail Complex in Sharpes as he awaited a trial. He was allowed to leave on bond in March.
The appellate decision is better than a jury acquittal. An acquittal only means ‘not guilty.’ This order means that John is innocent, that his actions were justified, and that he never should have been arrested in the first place. It’s a total vindication," said DeRossett’s Orlando-based attorney, Michael Panella."
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@403.FORBIDDEN You don't know what you are talking about. They are allowed to lie to you.
"Many people believe that the police cannot lie to citizens. The truth is that police can and do lie to citizens, especially those do not know their rights.
Police will lie in order to get a confession or evidence to assist them in a conviction.
There are only a few laws which restrict police officers from telling blatant lies to people they arrest, meaning that any confession or even innocuous statement made to the police about a crime can be used against the defendant.
Police Can Fabricate Evidence Against Defendant To Get Them To Confess
Police can claim to have evidence that does not exist. For example, police can say “we have your fingerprints all over the crime scene, you might as well confess.”
Even though it is not fair to lie about such things, it has been found to be constitutional.
The truth is, DNA and other evidence take a long time to process. Fingerprint samples, blood work, hair samples, and other evidence is not available immediately after the commission of the crime, and they are processed in laboratories, not at the police station.
By saying this, police hope they can get an innocent person to give a confession.
Not only can the police lie about evidence, they can create their own fake evidence too.
One famous case out of California involved police hooking up a suspect to a fake polygraph machine and interrogating him. After the interrogation, the police showed the suspect a fake chart and told him he failed the test.
After seeing the results, the suspect admitted to being at the scene of the crime. The court who heard these facts determined that police did not violate the law by tricking the suspect into believing he failed the test.
People v. Mays courtlistener(DOT)com/opinion/2245101/people-v-mays/ (2009) 173 Cal App. 4th 1145.
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This is why it's legal to shoot cops. Thank you Supreme court. Supreme court statute and a few current events. I have many more.
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State,
136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S.,177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
Ray Rosas a hispanic man shot 3 of them, legally. "CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas — A Nueces County jury that acquitted a man who shot Corpus Christi police officers executing a raid on his home said a “botched” operation and contradicting testimony led to their decision."
Henry Magee killed one as well. "DALLAS — A Central Texas man who shot and killed a sheriff's deputy entering his home will not be charged with capital murder, attorneys said Thursday. A local grand jury declined Wednesday to indict Henry Goedrich Magee for the Dec. 19 death of Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, who was part of a group of investigators executing a search warrant for Magee's rural home."
Jessie Murray a black man also has killed one... "Murray’s account of what happened during a 2014 bar fight was that Forest Park police Officer Nathan Adams jumped Murray and Murray accidentally shot and killed Adams. "
Unnamed man shoots two cops.
"Two Maryland police officers were shot while serving a drug-related search warrant at the wrong apartment late Wednesday, according to law enforcement officials. The resident shot the officers as soon as they opened the door, thinking they were home invaders, authorities said. No criminal charges will be filed against the man, Prince George's County Police Chief Hank Stawinski said Thursday."
Daniel Szabo shot at coast guard members trying to board him and was only charged with failure to stop since the boarding was illegal.
"A federal jury has found a man accused of firing at a U.S. Coast Guard crew not guilty of both weapons charges handed down in an indictment by a grand jury in September.
Daniel Michael Szabo, 41, was facing a possible life prison sentence for charges of trying to kill a Coast Guard officer during a boarding and using a firearm while committing a violent crime.
But jurors on April 6 only found Szabo guilty of failing to stop his vessel when ordered to do so by the Coast Guard."
Kimberly Moore and Eduardo Padilla legally shot a/at cop(s) "CALDWELL COUNTY, Texas — The Caldwell County district attorney confirmed that he has dropped all charges against a couple in connection to the shooting of a sheriff's deputy 13 months ago."
Man drags cops with his car legally.
"A Buffalo man(Marcus Prewitt) who was accused of dragging two police officers in a car following a traffic stop was acquitted of assault charges earlier this month using a rare defense: He said he was scared for his life."
Ray Shetler Jr legally shoots cop who shot at him first.
"In February, Ray Shetler Jr. was found not guilty on charges of first- and third-degree murder, terroristic threats and simple assault in the death of Officer Lloyd Reed. During the trial, witnesses testified that Officer Reed ordered Shetler to drop a rifle and the officer opened fire when Shetler did not comply. Shetler returned fire, striking Reed outside the officer’s bulletproof vest."
John DeRossett shoot at cops striking one in the abdomen.
"John DeRossett will not face further prosecution in the shooting of a Brevard County Sheriff's Deputy, an appellate court has ruled.
The decision — issued Wednesday — ends the prosecution of John DeRossett, 60, on the attempted premeditated first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer while discharging a firearm. DeRossett spent nearly five years at the Brevard County Jail Complex in Sharpes as he awaited a trial. He was allowed to leave on bond in March.
The appellate decision is better than a jury acquittal. An acquittal only means ‘not guilty.’ This order means that John is innocent, that his actions were justified, and that he never should have been arrested in the first place. It’s a total vindication," said DeRossett’s Orlando-based attorney, Michael Panella."
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This is why it's legal to shoot cops. Thank you Supreme court.
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State,
136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S.,177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
Ray Rosas a hispanic man shot 3 of them, legally. "CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas — A Nueces County jury that acquitted a man who shot Corpus Christi police officers executing a raid on his home said a “botched” operation and contradicting testimony led to their decision."
Henry Magee killed one as well. "DALLAS — A Central Texas man who shot and killed a sheriff's deputy entering his home will not be charged with capital murder, attorneys said Thursday. A local grand jury declined Wednesday to indict Henry Goedrich Magee for the Dec. 19 death of Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, who was part of a group of investigators executing a search warrant for Magee's rural home."
Jessie Murray a black man also has killed one... "Murray’s account of what happened during a 2014 bar fight was that Forest Park police Officer Nathan Adams jumped Murray and Murray accidentally shot and killed Adams. "
Unnamed man shoots two cops.
"Two Maryland police officers were shot while serving a drug-related search warrant at the wrong apartment late Wednesday, according to law enforcement officials. The resident shot the officers as soon as they opened the door, thinking they were home invaders, authorities said. No criminal charges will be filed against the man, Prince George's County Police Chief Hank Stawinski said Thursday."
Daniel Szabo shot at coast guard members trying to board him and was only charged with failure to stop since the boarding was illegal.
"A federal jury has found a man accused of firing at a U.S. Coast Guard crew not guilty of both weapons charges handed down in an indictment by a grand jury in September.
Daniel Michael Szabo, 41, was facing a possible life prison sentence for charges of trying to kill a Coast Guard officer during a boarding and using a firearm while committing a violent crime.
But jurors on April 6 only found Szabo guilty of failing to stop his vessel when ordered to do so by the Coast Guard."
Kimberly Moore and Eduardo Padilla legally shot a/at cop(s) "CALDWELL COUNTY, Texas — The Caldwell County district attorney confirmed that he has dropped all charges against a couple in connection to the shooting of a sheriff's deputy 13 months ago."
Man drags cops with his car legally.
"A Buffalo man(Marcus Prewitt) who was accused of dragging two police officers in a car following a traffic stop was acquitted of assault charges earlier this month using a rare defense: He said he was scared for his life."
Ray Shetler Jr legally shoots cop who shot at him first.
"In February, Ray Shetler Jr. was found not guilty on charges of first- and third-degree murder, terroristic threats and simple assault in the death of Officer Lloyd Reed. During the trial, witnesses testified that Officer Reed ordered Shetler to drop a rifle and the officer opened fire when Shetler did not comply. Shetler returned fire, striking Reed outside the officer’s bulletproof vest."
John DeRossett shoot at cops striking one in the abdomen.
"John DeRossett will not face further prosecution in the shooting of a Brevard County Sheriff's Deputy, an appellate court has ruled.
The decision — issued Wednesday — ends the prosecution of John DeRossett, 60, on the attempted premeditated first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer while discharging a firearm. DeRossett spent nearly five years at the Brevard County Jail Complex in Sharpes as he awaited a trial. He was allowed to leave on bond in March.
The appellate decision is better than a jury acquittal. An acquittal only means ‘not guilty.’ This order means that John is innocent, that his actions were justified, and that he never should have been arrested in the first place. It’s a total vindication," said DeRossett’s Orlando-based attorney, Michael Panella."
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This is why it's legal to shoot cops, thank you Supreme court.
"“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State,
136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S.,177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep177529/
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197).""
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@toysoldier46552 It was unlawful do to the amount of force used.
"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903."
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@Ante770 You have no idea what you are talking about.
"“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903."
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