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Or better put: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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@Mr.EduTeach Well, as an orthodox religious jew I can tell you for a fact that isn't what we believe. He is mentioned in the Talmud a few times. We believe he existed but that he's a false messiah.
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Or better put: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Very simply put from the Bible: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Quite simply: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Simply put: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Let's let the Bible speak for us then: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Very simply, look at the requirements of the messiah and you see jesus didn't fulfill it. He didn't gather the jews together. He didn't end war. He didn't rebuild the temple. Christians answer that will be in the second coming. However, where in the Old Testament or any of the prophets is a second coming mentioned?? Hosea 11:9 and numbers 23:30 Gd is not a human. It is blasphemy to even say such a thing. Without proof of jesus being the messiah, the new testament means nothing and is a book of lies.
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Jesus isn't the messiah, very simply put... did he bring an end to all wars? Did he gather the jews to Israel? Did he rebuild the temple? No. There is no mention of a second coming in the Old Testament or Torah. Not in any of the prophets or anywhere in the texts themselves. The true messiah will come when we truly deserve it.
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@Tre-77 I happen to believe that the ones that are truly sitting and learning are fighting the spiritual war while the ones fighting are fighting the physical war. The same as Jacob did by separating the camps for Essav is what we should be doing here. Prayer is our weapon and always has been. Israel is only strong because of the prayer that comes out of it. For a tiny country to be as successful as it has been (even diplomatically) is nothing short of miracles after miracles. If you are asking if support the war, it is another thing entirely, and it is a difficult question to answer without paragraphs. Edit: I didn't finish the sentence that the ones that aren't really learning and are actually using it as an excuse to get out of the army service are completely wrong and should be drafted immediately. There is no reason one side should die while others are free to enjoy life. I have many dati and chiloni friends in israel as well as chareidi friends, of course. I do want it to be clear that chareidim do offer many services free of charge that do help Israel, for example, yiddidim and hatzalah, which many are a part of.
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@Tre-77 if they are in the west bank, then they would need to vote for the PA elections...? If they are israeli citizens (as many Christians and Palestinians are), then absolutely they can. Same as any other country, if you are a citizen and follow the laws of the land, then great vote away. If not, then no, you can not vote or participate in elections.
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@Tre-77 As a fact, there are Muslims in the IDF, called Druzim. I've met plenty of them.
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@Tre-77 That's not what I said. If they are Israeli citizens, then they can vote, regardless of religion. If they are NOT citizens, then they can NOT vote, regardless of religion. Jews in israel that are not citizens cannot vote, Christians in israel that are not citizens cannot vote, Muslims in israel that are not citizens cannot vote.
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@Tre-77 You can be a dual citizen and vote as well. As long as one of those is an Israeli citizenship, obviously.
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@Tre-77 Yes, they could. However, they had to go through checkpoints and searches. The reason for the checkpoints and searches is simple. There are many terrorist attacks in israel such as car ramming, st@bbings, s hootings, etc. In order to try and prevent this, all cars going in and out of dangerous areas are searched. Bear in mind it is also illegal (and deadly) for an Israeli to go into certain areas controlled by the PA. This is to prevent mistakes like those as well. They are also traveling through Israel to get between the WB and Gaza so they would need some sort of visa or permission to do so. Same as traveling across a different country to get to another.
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@Tre-77 There were palestinians in Gaza before 2005 when Israel pulled out of Gaza and handed it over to palestinian control. Those Palestinians who lived there were now in control. The same with palestinians that lived in the west bank. They didn't import palestinaians into Gaza or the West Bank. Gazans then held elections (the only one) to elect Hamas as the government of Gaza instead of the PA. Jews were removed from all areas of Gaza and parts of the West Bank as part of Ariel Sharon's plan for peace. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and there is still conflict, obviously. Edit: in regards to can you move from Gaza to the West Bank, I know there are ways to do so but it is hard and requires permission from Israel, Gaza, and the PA to do so. Israel since you would need to cross through Israel to do so, and Gaza and the PA since they are different govts that control either side. Since the first intifada, it became much harder to move between the 2 since Israel placed strict restrictions due to the terror attacks going on.
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@Tre-77 Sorry, YouTube erased my response. In essence: There were palestinians in Gaza before israelis left it. They lived in towns beside Israeli towns. In 2005, Israel pulled out and left the Gaza Strip to the palestinians in an effort to gain peace. Obviously, that didn't work, but the palestinians that were there took over and grew their population. Israel didn't force anyone into Gaza or the WB. It's important to note that Jewish Israelis are not allowed to go into Gaza for almost any reason. One can move from Gaza to the WB or visa versa. However, it probably requires permission from all three parties (Israel, Gaza, and the PA). Important note: Prior to the first intifada, there were much fewer restrictions on travel. Due to the t error attacks then, Israel made it much harder to come and go.
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@tennitakara I have. 53:8: “As a result of the transgression of my people [the nations] he [Israel] has been afflicted.” The literal rendering of this verse is: “From the transgression of my people the stroke [nega‘] to them.” That is, because of the transgressions of the Gentiles the servant (Israel) suffered. The speaker is the Gentile spokesman. As regards the word lamo, “to them,” grammarians recognize that it is also in a sense singular, “to him” (as it is in non-poetic usage), because it agrees with certain singular nouns. As in this verse, lamo, the poetic form of lahem (“to them”), is used often in referring to a collective noun. Examples are, Genesis 9:26 (where it refers to Shem, that is, the descendants of Shem); Psalms 28:8 where it refers to the people of verse 9; Psalms 73:10 (also in reference to “people”); Isaiah 44:15 (in reference to ’el [a god] and pesel [a carved image], which are also to be understood respectively as referring collectively to all false gods); and finally Isaiah 53:8. The translator of the Hebrew, into the Greek Septuagint, understood the proper use of lamo when rendering Isaiah 44:15: “That it might be for men to burn: and having taken part of it he warms himself; and they burn part of it; and bake loaves thereon; and the rest they make for themselves gods, and they worship them.” Lamo is generally rendered “to him” as it refers to the collective noun, servant, that is, the Jewish people, not a single individual. In such an instance, lamo can be translated in the singular. Although it must always be understood to be in the plural in relation to what numerically constitutes the entity that is given the appellative servant. The plural nature of the poetic form lamo is supported by the manner in which it is used in the Jewish Scriptures. Isaiah uses lamo eleven times: 16:4, 23:1, 26:14, 26:16, 30:5, 35:8, 43:8, 44:7, 44:15, 48:21 and 53:8. This poetic usage especially works well in verse 8. Although the subject of chapter 53 is given throughout in the singular, the change to the plural form in verse 8 is fully accounted for when the servant of God is considered to stand collectively for the people of Israel. That the plural lamo in verse 8 refers to the servant as a collective noun excludes any possibility that it pertains to an individual. Therefore, it cannot refer to Jesus.
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@tennitakara 53:9: “his grave was set with the wicked” The burial of Jesus How was Jesus’ grave “set with the wicked”? Some Christians connect “wicked” with the two lestai (“thieves,” “brigands”) executed alongside Jesus (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27; “others,” in John 19:18). Other Christians connect the lestai with, “a company of evil-doers have enclosed me” (Psalms 22:17 [verse 16 in some versions]). But, crucifixion was not the punishment for common criminals. Lestai was a derogatory Roman term for insurrectionists, who, by armed action, opposed Roman rule. These two men were more likely put to death for opposing Roman rule of the land of Israel and not for being “wicked.” In any case, the Gospels say, Jesus was not buried with them. The point is made by Christians that he was buried in a new empty tomb. As such, he was buried alone, and there is nothing in the New Testament narrative to illustrate how “his [Jesus’] grave was set with the wicked” in fulfillment of this statement. 53:9: “and his grave was set … with the rich in his deaths” The burial companions: first the wicked now the rich. How was Jesus’ grave “set … with the rich in his deaths”? Christians identify Jesus as the subject of “with the rich in his deaths” to be in conformity with the Gospel of Matthew. It is only in Matthew’s narrative that Joseph of Arimathea is identified as a “rich man” (Matthew 27:57) who laid the corpse of Jesus “in his own new tomb” (Matthew 27:60). In Mark, he is described simply as “a prominent member of the Council” (Mark 15:43). Luke describes him as “a member of the Council, a good and righteous man” (Luke 23:50). In John, he is “a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one” (John 19:38). It is not by chance that Matthew 27:57 specifically identifies Joseph as “a rich man from Arimathea.” Given Matthew’s propensity for adding biblical allusion to his narrative it is no wonder that he alone adds that Joseph was rich and that he placed Jesus’ corpse in his own tomb thereby supposedly fulfilling: “And his grave was set . . . with the rich.” Grave refers to the lands of exile; rich refers to the powerful men and institutions of the nations among whom the personified people of Israel are exiled; deaths is descriptive of the horrendous violent suffering of exile. The phrase “in his deaths” signifies that the servant experienced literally and figuratively multiple “deaths” in exile. The character of Joseph of Arimathea was introduced into Matthew’s Gospel narrative as a rich man in order to show a fulfillment of Isaiah 53:9, which says that God’s servant will be buried “with the rich.” This is but one more example of Matthew attempting to introduce supposed biblical “fulfillment of prophecy” into his narrative. The material peculiar to Matthew is a creation of its author’s own imagination. It should be emphasized that despite the claim that Jesus was buried in a rich man’s tomb, he was not buried “with the rich.” The Gospels make a point of stating that Jesus alone was buried in the tomb" (Luke 23:53, John 19:41). Thus, if Jesus was buried in the new tomb of Joseph, then he was buried with neither the wicked nor rich but alone. Not only was Jesus not buried with the wicked and the rich, but he was also not the servant.
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@rajachoppara No, we don't just think things. Everything comes from Gds holy word. You make up an interpretation of the Old Testament to somehow say him means jesus, who is a false prophet. You can make up things all you'd like. I choose to believe Gds word and his true prophets over whatever nonsense the church makes up and changes every couple of years lol. Oh, and as for making things up regarding bringing peace? Nothing made up. Here are my quotes for everything I said. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah.
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@rajachoppara Where did it say the messiah needs to come before the destruction of the Second temple? lol That's just made up nonsense 😆
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@juyale2564 Where is that mentioned in the Old Testament? Again, my point is that the new testament is invalid and unreliable without a source in the Old Testament. Gd doesn't forget or leave things out. He described the messiah, and never does he mention a second coming, nore that Gd will be the messiah, and Jesus doesn't fit the description of the messiah as well. That means jesus is a lie, and the NT is a lie as well.
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@keithgorges6814 didn't see this until now. I have read them. List quotes, please. There is NO mention of a second coming.
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@keithgorges6814 Sorry, jesus didn't gather the jews to israel in 1948, lol. That's the weakest argument I have ever heard 😆. Edit: And still over half of all jews do not reside in Israel, so is that gathered??
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@juyale2564 1: Alma doesn't mean Virgin. He also didn't gather the jews to israel, rebuild the temple, or end all wars. So yes, he doesn't fulfill the criteria of the messiah and is a false messiah.
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@juyale2564 Also, if you read the prophecy, it doesn't say he will promote peace. It says there WILL be peace when the messiah comes. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
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@juyale2564 So you are drawing proof from Islam when you don't believe Mohammed is a prophet or anything else they say? They also say that all Christians that don't believe Mohammed is a prophet are going to hell, you can't pick and choose... Edit: They also deny the validity of the Bible, and they don't believe at all that jesus is god nor that he died on the cross. Which is it?
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@juyale2564 A young woman. There is literally a word for Virgin, Besulah. Look it up. Alma is not the word used to describe a virgin. Besulah is. Edit: For some reason, youtube didn't allow me to see your first two comments before this. That's why I am answering now. Edit 2: If you would like to Google the word search betulah since besulah doesn't work on Google for some reason...
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@juyale2564 What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible, no concept of a second coming exists.
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@starlightmckennah5241 We do, we just reject the ridiculous idea that jesus is or was Gd.
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@agnes8679 I appreciate where you are coming from, but my faith doesn't come from an emotional connection to Gd even though I do have one. My faith comes from following the Torah completely. Even if you bring proof of jesus doing miracles (which I believe he did to be clear), that doesn't mean he is a god or special. It is clear from the Talmud that many who lived in that time knew how to do miracles and even bring back the dead. That wouldn't be proof to be. You also mentioned people that "saw" jesus. How do you know they didn't see the devil? How do you know that they are correct? And how can someone like me base their faith off of something so weak? There is no proof. There is no one else who saw it with them. The Gd I believe in didn't reveal himself to one man at a time. He revealed himself to the entire nation of Israel at the splitting of the sea and so many more times. That is who I believe in.
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@agnes8679 I would also ask you, how can you believe in a religion with no proof? There is no mention of a second coming in the Old Testament. Jesus didn't fulfill the criteria, as I said above. Why would you blindly follow the words of the apostles (not even the words of jesus recorded when he was alive, since the earliest known writing of the bible is from 50+ years after his death) when it's so obvious he isn't the messiah from scripture?
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@benny-yj7pq Which of my posts are you responding to? Also, just a simple question. Where is a second coming mentioned in the Old Testament?
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@benny-yj7pq I would refer you to this post: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.
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@davidcampos9768 That isn't a source or mention of any second coming. I am familiar with Daniel 2:31-49, and that is NOT a mention of a second coming. The Messiah will come, but it isn't jesus. He didn't fulfill the criteria of the messiah and, therefore, is not. Christians made up a second coming to explain why he didn't do what the messiah is supposed to do to prove he is the messiah. Edit: Also, the statue was referencing the Babylonian (the head), Medo-Persian (arms and shoulders), Greek (thighs and legs), and Roman (the feet) empires. Not the empires we have now.
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@Zee-zj2uh without proof from the Old Testament that Jesus is the messiah the new testament has no grounds or validity. You can't prove the new testament is valid from the new testament. The Old Testament was proven by every jew seeing the miracles of MT Sinai.
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@leslielandberg5620 I've read many fiction books that melted my heart, lol. Fact is Jesus didn't fit the criteria of the messiah and therefore was a false messiah. He didn't bring about world peace, gather all the jews to israel, build the temple, or bring about universal knowledge of the oneness of GD. And don't say second coming because I challenge you to find one mention of that anywhere in the Old Testament, or even a hint to it.
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@artdent5388 sorry I didn't see your post until now. Let's go through Zecharia 12:10. 10. "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication, and they will look onto Me whom (et asher) they have pierced and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep for Him like the weeping over a first born. 11. In that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12. and the land will mourn every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself; and their wives by themselves..." The Christian reading of this passage is somewhat problematic. The words "Me" and "Him" makes it quite obvious that the text is speaking of two different subjects. The gospel of John acknowledged this and therefore rendered the passage as, "they shall look on Him whom they pierced." This New Testament mistranslation of Zechariah in and of itself demonstrates that the New Testament is fallacious. To interpret this passage that at some future time the "Jewish people shall look unto Me (G-d/Jesus) whom they (the Jewish people) pierced" does not seem to be what John had in mind. It is important to note that according to John, Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled at the time that the Roman soldiers pierced the side of Jesus. As it says in John 19:36, "For these things came to pass that the scripture might be fulfilled." John saw the two different subjects of Zechariah's passage as the Roman soldiers and Jesus. "They (the Roman soldiers) shall look on Him (Jesus) whom they (the Roman soldiers) pierced. There is an additional problem in this passage. The Hebrew words "et asher" are not found very often in scripture. When they do occur together the phrase is read as "concerning whom" or "concerning that" but never as "whom". You can see this by reading the Hebrew original of Ezekiel 36:27. (It is also interesting to note that the Septuagint does not translate "et asher" as "whom." Its translation does not at all resemble the Christian interpretation.) The correct translation of Zechariah 12:10 should be."they will look onto Me concerning whom they have pierced and they will mourn for him" This is consistent with the two subjects. By reviewing the context we can also understand of whom this passage is speaking. Starting with the beginning of Zechariah chapter 12 the prophet speaks of a time when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem to destroy it (Zec 12:3). On that day, G-d Himself will defend Jerusalem and destroy all of its enemies (Zec 12:4-9). G-d will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication toward the Jews. Grace is requested from G-d and supplication are directed to G-d. This new spirit will motivate the Jewish nation to look towards G-d concerning those Jews (collective Jewish Martyrs) (see Hosea 11:1 for the Jewish people described as him. See Ex.1 etc. verbs of oppression in singular. Cf. Deut 32, Hos 8:3 and Ex. 19:2) who have been killed in battle prior to G-d's divine intervention in fighting our adversaries. All the inhabitants of Jerusalem will mourn. This has obviously not yet been fulfilled, now or when the Roman soldier looked at Jesus. This understanding is validated by the scriptural description that this mourning in Jerusalem would be "like the mourning of Hadadrimmom in the Valley of Magiddo." This refers to the death of King Josiah who was killed in battle with Pharaoh Neco (2 Kings 23:29-30). After his death all of Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him (2 Chron 35:22-25). In the same way that the Jews mourned over King Josiah who died in battle so too will the Jewish people in the future mourn over their war dead.
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Or better put: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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Simple proof that jesus isn't the messiah from the bible: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34) Specifically, the Bible says he will: Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). Usher in an era of world peace and end all hatred, oppression, suffering, and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he can not be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba, and Shabbtai Tzvi, have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Old Testament, no concept of a second coming exists.
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