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Comments by "Laurence Fraser" (@laurencefraser) on "Trump Is Immune" video.
Not that the USA has ever actually rebelled against tyranny. Taxation and abolitionism, yes. Tyranny? no.
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Well, there's a reason why pretty much everyone else, to varying degrees, copied the UK model and then refined it (to a more or less radical extent) to suit their needs, rather than the USA's model. America's constitution is defective by design, and even if it wasn't it's been obsolete roughly a century, if not longer. But it was never actually about freedom or justice of proper representation to start with, and it seems to have kept right on doing a great job of what it was Actually designed to do pretty much the entire time. Difference is, the current idiots have decided to stop pretending otherwise.
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What do you mean 'at this rate'? The ongoing refusal to actually patch the bloody thing to fix all the various bad precident attached to it in a sensible manner had it reaching that stage decades ago.
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@Dommifax Honestly, there is very little about the entire structure of the US government that's actually a GOOD idea. Not nothing... but there's a reason no one has ever copied it wholesale... including the USA itself when forcibly setting up a new government in other countries.
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It's almost like it's a problem pretty much everyone else noticed over a hundred years ago and avoided or did away with since. Seriously, having your elected polticians apoint your highest judges completely neuters the judciary when it comes to acting as a counter weight/control the excesses of the legislature and/or the executive.
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No, they fought for independence to get out of paying taxes and to ensure there was no one in a position of power above them who could tell them to stop making deliberately exploiting the government for their own financial gain. (seriously, when you look into the actual historical records of events rather than founding myth nationalist propaganda, the whole thing is just one giant rich person tax dodge).
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@peterrauth118 Modern day kings in many countries actually DO have Effective immunity from prosecution, as such. It's just usually via a whole bunch of round about convolted fiddly bits... and isn't the same as being immune to being censured in various ways.
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@rogerpalmer3723 if you succeed at overthrowing the government, you are now the government, so the legality of the matter is irrelivant. If you fail, then you caused a whole bunch of pain, suffering, missery, and death and have produced nothing of value to compensate for that. It's basically the same as regicide: Attempted regicide will get you executed. Successful regicide... well, either you become king or you become an inconvenient loose end the new king has to clean up (reasonable expectations at that point are a well paid and comfortable exile if you're lucky, and being executed (either out of paranoia or as a convenient scapegoat) if you're not.)
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That and not paying taxes, yes. Seriously, when you actually look into the historical records rather than American founding myth nationalist propaganda, the whole sequence of events is one giant unjustified tax revolt, that only got as far as it did because using the army to put it down was expensive and the taxes in question came about due to a need to make up for budget shortfalls caused by a recently ended globe spanning war that was Started by (still at the time British-)American colonists illegally raiding their French-American neighbours to line their own pockets... And upon gaining independence taxes went UP (turns out the British were straight up subsidising the administration and defence of the colonies with the taxes paid by the people back in Britain) and never came back down. ... but those wealthy individuals who started the whole mess (and their families and friends) sure did do a great job of writing tax codes that left them a lot of ways to be effectively exempt from those taxes...
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Going to be honest, the whole idiotic document needs ripping up and you need to start over from scratch, taking lessons from what Everyone Else has learned over the last, what, two hundred years? about how to make a governmental system that Doesn't Suck. ... ... ... Actually, probably best to just outsource the whole process, otherwise it'll be hijacked by either the same set of rich idiots or the lunatic radical fringe (... and yes, depressingly, those Do overlap in places, but they're not the same thing) and you won't be any better off.
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I dunno, seems pretty in line with it's founding ideologies to me. The actual ones that are quite obvious when you look into the historical records, that is, not the nationalist propaganda of the founding myth that is apparently taught as 'history' in schools there.
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