Comments by "Stephen Hendricks" (@stephenhendricks103) on "TheStraightPipes"
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Good review and an excellent entry in the "Goldilocks" (i.e. tweener) sized crossover category. However, along with every other review I've seen there's no mention that the Santa Fe is a two row, four cylinder turbo version of a Kia Sorento. Same size. (The Santa Fe is one inch shorter.) Same weight. (Oddly, the Santa Fe is a few pounds heavier.) Same passenger space in the first and second rows. Almost identical overall cargo space. Same transmission. Same suspension. Same AWD systems with the same center locking differential. Same ground clearance.
Kia dropped the turbo4 from the Sorento lineup in 2018. Hyudai picked it up for the Santa Fe. Likewise, Kia dropped the two row option in 2018. The Santa Fe picks up exactly the same configuration with identical under-floor storage in the space the Kia devotes to storing the third seat row. Worth noting that the under floor storage in the Santa Fe is a nice feature but access depends on the cargo floor being empty. So it's a good place to store smaller items you don't need often but not for large items or stuff you need to access when the regular cargo space is being used.
Slightly different interior materials in the Ultimate Santa Fe trim versus the KIA SX-L (The SX-L has somewhat more upscale interior materials) but the overall look and feel are nearly identical with the same infotainment screens, (though the Sorento has its screen integrated into the center stack). Same switch gear in the same places. Identical safety and driver convenience systems. (e.g. BLIS, ACC, Lane keeping, etc.)
Don't need or want third row seating? Want a turbo4 engine? Take the Santa Fe. Want the same vehicle with a reasonably sized third row of seats for occasional use and think a V6 is better suited to this class of vehicle? That's the KIA Sorento. There is a price difference at the top trim levels. Not surprising since the Santa Fe is being pitched as a competitor to the CR-V and Rav4 (though it's somewhat larger than either one) while the Sorento competes against three row midsize crossovers like the CX-9, Highlander, etc. But given the typical discounts from MSRP for Kia's and Hyundai's it's unclear just how much the difference actually amounts to.
All in all, each vehicle is a strong contender in the growing category of "tweener" crossovers positioned between "compact SUV's" and much larger "midsize" vehicles. Depending on one's priorities each deserves a serious look.
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This is the second review of the GLI DSG I've seen that notes the fact that the transmission automatically upshifts when set in manual mode. If that's the case it's quite different from the behavior of the same transmission in the GTI. I initially believed it was a failure on the part of the reviewer to engage manual mode properly. Now I'm not so sure. Here's the way the DSG works in my GTI.
(1) Move the console shift to the right. That locks the transmission in manual (i.e Tiptronic) mode.
(2) Select the desired gear with either the paddles or the console shifter (forward for upshift, backward for downshift.)
Following that procedure the transmission stays in the selected gear all the way to redline. No automatic upshifts. While in manual mode the transmission will automatically downshift to second gear as one slows to a stop, first to second gear at about 5 mph and then to first gear as the car comes to a stop. Otherwise, however, the car remains in the selected gear regardless of throttle position and acceleration.
It is possible to select manual mode temporarily by use of the paddles alone without moving the console shift to the right. If the transmission is in "auto" mode and either of the paddles is used
the transmission changes to manual mode and can be controlled by the paddles for a short time. However, the car will revert to "auto" mode and automatically upshift after a few moments. Is it possible that was the procedure you guys followed? In addition to the possible difference between the GLI and GTI there's one other possibility. My GTI is a 2018 model with the six speed DSG. I haven't seen any reviews of the 2019 GTI with the seven speed DSG that mentioned any automatic shifts but I suppose it's possible the reviewers missed the behavior.
In any event if the DSG behavior in the GLI is as you describe it, it's a big disappointment. And assuming it doesn't apply to the GTI, it's a significant difference between the vehicles despite supposedly having the same engines and drive trains.
EDIT: Did some further checking with my local VW dealer and more importantly with my local APR tuning shop, Achtuning, who perform more tunes on VW's than just about anyone in the country. As I suspected, there's no difference between the DSG transmission tuning in the GTI and GLI. Furthermore, if the transmission is put in Tiptronic mode with the console shifter it will hold a selected gear up to redline. At that point it will upshift but not before.
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Considered this pretty seriously when I was replacing my 2013 GTI with a new car that was suitable to be shared with my soon-to-be-driving teenage daughter. I'd liked the 2.7L V6 in the Ford Edge and thought it might work well in the Fusion. However, compared to the Accord 2.0L Touring and the Mazda 6 Signature trim, it didn't make the cut. Strong points were AWD, which it obviously needed with that engine, and straight line performance. Also, considering that it will soon be discontinued I suspect it will be semi-collectible in a few years, much like the now dead Taurus SHO and the Chevy SS. And while the MSRP is over $40K (USD) I found I could get one for about $8K less than that.
Weaknesses were MPG's (Have to feed that V6.) , interior materials, fit and finish, and handling. It's a heavy car, especially on the front end. And while it might be fine in Kansas with its long, long straight roads, I live in the Pacific NW (US version) where mountains and curves are common. The self-adjusting damping and pothole detection are trick but don't make the Fusion a sport sedan.
Bottom line is that it might be a "Dad's car" but not this dad. The Honda Accord, Mazda 6 and even the Camry V6 XSE all outpointed the Fusion for me. A Subaru Legacy? Not even on the radar. So what did I do? I replaced the 2013 GTI with a 2018 GTI. Just couldn't face the prospect of not having one in the garage.
P.S. Great review as usual, guys.
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@GraysonCarr That's an understandable choice for you, Grayson. Though the new Santa Fe wasn't yet available when I purchased an SX-L version of the Sorento earlier in 2018, I think I would still make the same choice today. Here's why.
We're a family of three and a half (My wife, myself, our teenage daughter, and a big dog) so we could have gotten along most of the time with a two row crossover. But while we use the third row only occasionally, it's very convenient when we chauffeur our daughter and several of her friends, especially when putting them as far as possible away from the driver is a plus both for the adults and the teenagers. :) It's also a big advantage when the third row means the difference between taking a single versus two vehicles on a local outing. Of course, many folks don't face those challenges but for us the third row of the Sorento was a major advantage, especially since it is actually usable and wrapped in a package that's more compact than its competition.
Second, the Sorento is my wife's daily driver and our family truckster for long slogs on the freeway. For those duties the V6 is smoother and quieter with more linear performance. I like turbo 4 engines. I have a VW GTI. But for the size and weight of this class of vehicles I think a naturally aspirated V6 is more appropriate for us. Again YMMV.
Finally, you're certainly correct that comparing MSRP's makes the Santa Fe more affordable. But real world negotiations can paint a different picture. The MSRP for our Sorento was a bit over $48K. I purchased it for $40K. I don't know, of course, what deal I could make for the Santa Fe but I suspect that the discount on the SX-L KIA is significantly more than the Ultimate trim of the Santa Fe. MSRP comparisons are useful as a starting point when assessing the cost of a vehicle but if one is serious about a particular vehicle, it's important to determine what a particular dealer is willing to offer.
Bottom line is that you and I purchased different vehicles because we have different priorities. That's why I take reviewers' list of the "best" vehicles with a very large grain of salt. I think you purchased an excellent vehicle given your priorities. I'd say the same about our choice.
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@dalex7777 Thanks for the kind words, my friend. I hadn't seen the TFL comparison of the 2016 Sorento and the Santa Fe, so thanks for citing that, as well. A couple of points.
First, I said in my original comment that the 2019 Santa Fe was slightly heavier than the comparable Sorento. That was wrong. It came from a quick google search and I should have checked the sources further. In fact, the Sorento is about 200 lbs heavier than the Santa Fe according to the manufacturers' specs. That makes sense since the Sorento has a third row of seats while the Santa Fe does not.
Second, the TFL video you cited presents a real puzzle. Despite a weight advantage and better HP and torque numbers in the 2016 Santa Fe vs the 2016 Sorento 4 cylinder turbo motors, the Sorento blew the doors off the Santa Fe in their "mashup" drag race. The TFL guys couldn't explain it and neither can I. I would say, though, that TFL's performance tests are typically Unique (e.g. conducted a mile above sea level) and not necessarily carefully controlled. Their videos are informative and fun but I wouldn't bet the farm on their results.
In this particular case, the Santa Fe and Sorento were comparable in terms of engine displacement and AWD. The result may well have been the case of differences in the individual vehicles involved. My first guess would be that the Sorento had better tires for the wet conditions in the "drag race" or other deficiencies in the particular Santa Fe being tested. Since the video is four years old and each model has since been updated, I suspect we'll never know. In any case, it's an interesting video.
Like you, I replaced an earlier generation of the Sorento with an example of the current version. In my case it was a 2012 V6 AWD SX-L and a comparable 2018 model. I didn't have the option of the turbo 4 when I purchased the 2018 model since it had been discontinued after 2017 due to the low "take rate" for the turbo motor. It's interesting to hear from someone who has one.
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VW fan here. So when my wife and I were shopping for an SUV for our family (two adults, 14 y/o daughter, big dog) earlier this year we looked seriously at both the Atlas and the Tiguan. The SUV is my wife's daily driver (I have a GTI) and the family's road trip vehicle so she had 3 votes to my two. (The kid got one vote and the dog got a half vote.)
As much as I wanted to like it, none of us was impressed with the Tiguan. Third row seating isn't a huge priority for us but it's very convenient occasionally when chauffeuring a gaggle of teenagers or going out with another family taking a single vehicle rather than two. The Tiguan's 3rd row option is a joke and not a very good joke. Further, the 2.0L turbo 4 banger in the Tiguan seemed sluggish when not driven in "sport" mode. (The AllTrack 1.8 liter mill felt "peppier.) All in all, the new Tiguan is a far more functional, less cramped, but less fun to drive vehicle than the previous version but it didn't thrill anyone (except the dog but he likes any vehicle as long as he gets to go.)
The Atlas certainly isn't "cramped." And if one needs comfortable seating for five or more adults on a regular basis, it's the best in class. A smooth naturally aspirated V6 with a good eight speed transmission that's well suited to the mission of this kind of vehicle. When we were shopping, though, the 2018 Atlas trim levels limited features such as leather seating and integrated navigation to the top trim SEL Premium. That pushed the MSRP to over $50,000 (USD). VW has apparently seen the error of their ways; the 2019 trim levels have been adjusted somewhat to provide a better value.
In our case, the Atlas was just too damn big. My wife complained that she felt like she was driving a bus. Ultimately, the KIA Sorento was a better fit for us, especially with the $8000 discount off MSRP we received.
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Wow! Guess we shouldn't be surprised if you guys get few Ford products to review for the foreseeable future. :) Hope that isn't the case. Haven't driven the Edge ST but my wife and I looked seriously at the 2018 Edge Sport, the ST's predecessor. For the most part your take on the ST matched my impression of the Sport.
The 2.7L twin scroll turbo V6 is very impressive, though arguably overkill for this class. But while Ford has tweaked the engine to give it more HP and torque, it doesn't seem to have made much if any difference in overall performance. And while one might expect an improvement in tow rating, it's not there, still stuck at an anemic 3500 lbs. To be fair, the braking distance has improved substantially and it's impressive for a vehicle weighing substantially more than two tons. The lack of improvement in performance apparently stems from the new 8 speed transmission, added presumably to keep up with the Joneses and to help fuel efficiency. The six speed in last year's Sport was perfectly adequate and would probably have been just as good in the ST. Even worse, the eight speed transmission hasn't exactly been warmly received by several reviewers. And while the six speed box was well suited to a manual mode, that doesn't seem to be the case with the new transmission.
We loved the overall size of the ST. Its "tweener" size between compact and midsize SUV's is great for maneuvering in traffic and parking in the garage or at the mall. It's virtually the same size as the Kia Sorento and the Hyundai Santa Fe and offers near identical cargo space. On the other hand, Ford has done little to remedy the "Fifty Shades of Gray" interior. The seating is not impressive, either, especially in a vehicle with a near $50K MSRP. Finally, my wife had the same reaction as Yuri to the driver's seating position. The immense distance from the dash to the base of the windshield and the long distance to the edge of the hood made her feel like she was piloting a long outboard dinghy from the stern. As far as I'm concerned, simulated exhaust sound falls into the same category as "simulated" gears in CVT's and simulated exhuaust tips. Very annoying. And then there was my pet peeve: a "performance" vehicle with a tiny tach stuck as an afterthought on the far left of the cockpit.
In the past the Edge was Ford's "test bed" for innovations and new designs in their SUV's. Obviously, that's no longer true. It appears that Ford invested its available resources and efforts in the sixth generation of the Explorer. From my perspective that's a shame.
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There are some apples and oranges in their list of comparable vehicles included by the boys above. The RAV4 is solidly in the "compact" crossover category along with the CR-V, the Subaru Forester, and the Hyundai Tucson. Other competitors in the category include the KIA Sportage, Chevy Equinox, Ford Escape, and the Mazda CX-5. All are between 179" and 182" in length.
On the other hand, the Subaru Outback, Hyundai Santa Fe, and Honda Passport along with the Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ford Edge, KIA Sorento, NIssan Murano, and Chevy Blazer are on the smaller end of midsize crossovers between 188" and about 192" in length. The Nissan Rogue and VW Tiguan at 185" long fall between the two categories. Either large compact or small midsize SUV's. Each, however, is aimed at a compact crossover shopper.
Finally, the Honda HRV, Toyota CHR, and NIssan Kicks along with the Nissan Rogue Sport, Mazda CX-30, and CX-3 all fit into what is considered, in the US at least, a sub-compact category where vehicles average about 170" in length. It's odd, of course, that Mazda has two vehicles in the category. But at least in the US, that's likely to be a short term issue if Mazda opts to withdraw the CX-3 from the market in North America. I'm betting they will.
So why does all this matter? Primarily to aid in comparing vehicles that aim at the same consumer categories. Few customers will cross shop a Honda HRV vs a Toyota RAV4, or a RAV4 vs a Ford Edge. They're radically different vehicles. On the other hand, a consumer might do well to compare a Hyundai Santa Fe with a Honda Passport.
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No, it's not a GTI, much less a Golf R. From a driving experience perspective, it isn't even a European Passat (or the forthcoming Arteon in the US.) What it is, though, is a bargain. Here in the US Pacific NW real world prices for the GT are between $25K and $27K. At that price it comes with a more or less bulletproof V6, very attractive styling (at least for those who think the new Accord and the Camry look like they were inspired by a1930's Flash Gordon spaceship design),the longest bumper-to-bumper transferable warranty in the industry, a DSG transmission that can be driven as either an automatic or a manual (and acts that way), and an accommodating interior with best in class back seat room for adults and growing teenagers.
Does it have weaknesses? Of course, it is after all a car that was the result of American VW dealers begging for something that would bring midsize "sporty sedan" shoppers into the showroom. VW responded with a quick facelift that required almost no investment in design, engineering, or production changes. And all those savings contributed to the very good price.
What are those weaknesses? Tires are first on the list. Easily fixable, especially considering the purchase price of the car. Brakes. Again easy to upgrade at minimal cost. Suspension tweaks. Ditto. Even some minor HP/Torque tuning upgrades available from firms like APR that improve acceleration among other things. Add it all together and the price is still thousands less than a roughly comparable Camry or Accord minus some bells and whistles.
As a serial GTI buyer I'd love to see VW introduce a true midsize sport sedan. But wait. They already sell more than one with an Audi badge. And VW is understandably unlikely to cannibalize Audi sales at VW prices. In the absence of such a vehicle and at the price of the Passat GT, it's worth serious consideration.
Edit: Forgot to answer the question posed. For the real world price of $25-$27K (USD), I'd take this over a comparably equipped Honda where discounts are rare and the out-the-door price is likely to be at least $3K more.If it weren't for the discount, though, the Honda would be the choice. Compared to the Camry V6, it wouldn't be a difficult choice even at MSRP for the Passat. The Camry looks looks like a Hot Wheels sedan that grew up. No navigation short of a $1000 option package and no Apple Carplay/Android Auto, it's no competition.
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GTI patisan here. I've owned several, most recently the last of MK6 versions (2013) and a 2018 MK7.5. Unlike those who dissect each and every model to praise or condemn tiny changes in wheels, grills, lights, seats, etc., I appreciate each of the various versions as variations on a common design. Looking at every GTI from the first to the eighth generation and it's clear they're part of the same family. Fun to drive, practical with excellent visibility and an unmistakable family resemblance. Now that VW has largely given up trying to sell their Eurospec vehicles in North America, the GTI, Golf R, and Arteon stand more or less alone as the sole representatives of what VW sells in Europe. I appreciate that.
I doubt I'll be trading my 2018 GTI for the 2022 model. No more than I'm inclined to trade my faithful dog whose second home is the back seat of my GTI for a newer, younger model. (Or for that matter trading in my wife.) But I appreciate the fact that VW continues to produce GTI's that are evolutionary versions of their ancestors.
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Yeah, but did you like the Telluride? :) A few points....
() The Telluride and the Hyundai Palisade are more than corporate cousins. More like fraternal twins. The list of what they share is long; how they differ is a very short list. But there are some differences in DNA. The Telluride is designed for and built in North America. It's not even offered in Korea or other Asian markets. The Palisade is built in Korea and aimed at an international market, especially in Asia. The top trims of each verges on "luxury" but the Telluride has a definite "rugged" vibe. Yuri is right on in his comment that the Telluride's looks are "Land Rover-ish." If you're an Asian consumer where extreme poverty was near universal only one or two generations ago, "rugged" looks are less appealing.For countries with an emerging middle class consumers are drawn to European luxury vehicles and the Palisade is a way to demonstrate one's economic success at a bargain price. As a result the Palisade more closely resembles BMW's, MB's, and Audis than Land (and Range) Rovers.
() There will be the usual internet comments bemoaning the absence of a "performance" version of the Telluride with a turbo engine, possibly the twin scroll 3.3L mill in the Stinger and the Genesis G70. But that's likely to be a forlorn hope. In the first place, the demand for high performance mainstream 3 row SUV's is minuscule. A few manufacturers offer such vehicles, most notably the Ford Explorer ST and the Durango SRT. But with MSRP's approaching or over $60,000 they're a low volume "halo" model meant to draw customers into dealer showrooms, not to sell in volume. For the vast majority of customers scalding 0-60 and quarter mile performance ranks about 25th among the top 10 features of a mainstream 3 row crossover.
Secondly, KIA is already challenged to meet the demand for the Telluride, especially its top trim (SX-L in Canada SX with the "Prestige" package in the US.) Does it make sense to divert even a small fraction of production to a vehicle with limited appeal when other customers are already on a waiting list or paying prices above MSRP for the current models?
Finally, the Hyundai/KIA conglomerate is committed to a true luxury SUV from the Genesis brand. Arguably it may make or break the brand. That vehicle is rumored to have a turbo V6, possibly another version of the 3.8L Lambda engine. Would it make sense to offer the same engine in the Telluride and Palisade? I suspect any executive who suggests it would be putting the contents of their desk in a cardboard box soon after.
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@jmoore4156 It's important to understand that VW doesn't expect to sell many Arteons in North America. In fact, there was a question whether it would even be offered in the North American market, at all. The new VW CEO, however, has said that regardless of sales he felt it was worthwhile to offer it as a sign of VW's European roots.
In fact, however, it has done somewhat better in the US than VW expected. When I drove one of the first ones available here in the Pacific Northwest, my local dealer said they expected to receive only 3 units before the end of 2019. As it happens, they've sold nearly a dozen. The Seattle market is a relatively strong one for European sedans so that doesn't necessarily say much about the overall marketplace. Nevertheless, the Arteon is outselling the Audi A7 nationwide. (Not surprising considering the price difference.)
But it's worth noting that KIA's hopes for the Stinger haven't lived up to expectations. In the last few months they've sold only about a thousand Stingers a month. That's about three times Arteon sales but sales are down significantly compared to 2018.
All in all, of course, sedan sales have tanked in North America. So neither KIA nor VW is likely to put many more eggs in the baskets of either the Stinger or the Arteon. And given the relatively strong sales of the Arteon in Europe North America will remain a sideshow.
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Looks to be a good effort by Toyota. And it needs to be considering the importance of the RAV4 among Toyota's stable. The baby 4Runner looks are attractive. Have to wonder though how well all the angles and creases will age in terms of looks. In general rounded designs tend to age better than sharp creases. (See '80's vehicles that looked old in a few years.)
As far as the competition is concerned the CRV is the biggest threat in terms of sales. And in terms of cargo capacity, the CRV is cavernous compared to the RAV4, at least in the way that Honda apparently measures interior space. Otherwise, the naturally aspirated and somewhat larger RAV4 engine, the traditional geared transmission, and Toyota's legendary reliability should be enough to protect Toyota's significant sales lead.
Mazda fans will tout the CX-5 but at 59.6 cubic feet of overall cargo space the CX-5 is seriously cramped compared to virtually every other competitor. The CR-V offers 25% more overall cargo space at one inch longer than the CX-5. The Mazda fares better against the RAV4 but it still has over 10 cubic feet less cargo space in a vehicle only an inch shorter. In fact, the CX-5 has only about six cubic feet more cargo space than a VW Golf, a vehicle that's about a foot shorter!
As far as the versatility provided in terms of cargo space, the Subaru Forester is the champ in this segment. At up to 76 cubic feet of total cargo space behind the first row, it's larger than the humungous Mazda CX-9 and it's 17" shorter. Some will like Subaru's full-time AWD in every Forester but the CVT and what I suspect is lower MPG's in the real world will turn off some. And Subaru isn't known for its top notch interiors. That will hurt to some degree. But Subar-ites are a very loyal "cult." The Forester won't seriously threaten the sales of the RAV4 but it will do well.
Finally, the Hyundai Santa Fe is an intriguing alternative. But at 188 inches long, it's really in the "tweener" rather than the "compact" size category. It's about 7 inches longer than the RAV4 and 10 inches more than the CX-5. And that extra length buys both more passenger room and cargo space. The Santa Fe has a turbo engine--good for performance but not for mileage. At the top trim level it's considerably more premium than a comparable RAV4. And though it's MSRP at that trim level is higher, it's likely to be about the same price in "real world" dealer prices.
All in all Toyota will continue to crush everything else in terms of sales. But depending on one's priorities there are some compelling alternatives.
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Just one more piece of evidence (of many) that Canadians are SO weird....uh, well...so "unique." Living currently in the Pacific Northwest and years ago near Detroit, I've had the opportunity to see a lot of Canada over the years. What I've learned is that it's like being transported to a parallel universe which seems at first glance to be largely indistinguishable from the US but on closer and more extended inspection seems, well there's no other word for it, "alien."
Canadians are almost unfailingly polite compared to "US'ers. (I won't say Americans because we're all (North) Americans.) Not in the southern US sense of "friendly," but in a sort of reserved way that recalls the good manners your parents taught you and you abandoned years ago. No doubt there are xenophobic Canadians but they don't hold huge rallies where foreigners and immigrants are denounced by their political leaders. In fact, much of the population of Hong Kong moved to Vancouver over the last few decades. And Toronto has been transformed from a sleepy, parochial city to one of the most international cities on the planet.
Canadians have a different vocabulary. They punctuate every two sentences with "eh". They mispronounce "about" as "aboot." They have an entire province where speaking English makes you an outsider. But they also have an entire city (Victoria) that appears to have been transported brick by brick from Great Britain.
Their version of the Rocky Mountains is more gorgeous and far cleaner than ours. (Apparently, Canadians consider littering to be a capital offense except that they don't have capital punishment.) Many Canadians hunt but they don't hunt one another nearly as frequently as we do. Canadians adopted the metric system with few issues in the 1970's while the US reacted as if it was a commie plot. The put gravy on their french fries. And some guy named Tim Horton supplies coffee to the entire country.
Now it appears there's a thriving Plymouth Prowler cult of which I was completely unaware. Perhaps I just haven't paid attention but the closest corollary I can think of is the hardy band of Pontiac Aztek owners in the US. There may well be a Canadian version of that, as well. I wouldn't be surprised.
Congratulations, Yuri. Your new car looks like a hoot, eh...
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Another vehicle gets the new 2.5L turbo engine that Hyundai, KIA, and Genesis have put in at least 7 or 8 vehicles, ranging from the KIA K5 Gt to the Santa Fe, to the Genesis G80. A very versatile and impressive engine.
As for the Santa Cruz, itself, its looks remind me of the Amarok, a pickup with a very short bed that VW sells in a number of international markets including Australia. When I watched a review of the Amarok a year or two ago I wondered (in a comment) why someone would purchase a pickup with such a short bed when an equivalent size SUV was considerably more versatile and had nearly as much cargo capacity. The answer came pretty quickly. It's much more pleasant, I was told, to bring home a deer carcass in the bed than in the interior cargo space of an SUV. Fair enough.
The Amarok is a far more rugged off-roader than the Santa Cruz and is a body-on-frame rather than a unibody platform. Nevertheless, characterizing it as suitable for grandmas transporting garden supplies misses its appeal, I think. It won't attract many hardcore truck fans but the design is highly versatile and for those looking to fill the multiple missions of a daily driver, a long distance "tripper" for a couple or small family and transporting the occasional load that won't fit in a midsize, much less a compact, SUV, the Santa Cruz has its charms.
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