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Perhaps, though it's debated, and many meteorologists consider this a myth. The hottest universally accepted recording is 54.0 from 2013, and there are also two 54.4 temperatures from 2020 and 2021 pending formal verification.
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Yep. They take temperature readings at airports because temperature (and weather) are vital for air travel. In this case Heathrow recorded 40.1 and the next two nearest stations (Kew Gardens and St James Park) recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively, despite neither being at airports. The idea that airports make the readings hotter is a comforting fiction Paul is selling his audience.
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It's likely because people who consider themselves sceptical accept youtube videos like this unquestioningly.
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Why do you think we are breaking heat records every year?
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@peterjones4180 lol ok. When you say "scientists" could you name any of them? I can't find a single scientist who believes the 51.7 reading. The reason isn't that "it was taken on Sunday" but that the evidence for it being an accurate reading is incredibly weak, and the evidence for it being a misreading is incredibly strong. This was all laid out in the 1997 study "Another look at Australia's record high temperature"
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The main concerns with the extreme temperatures are crop failure, animal illness and heat stroke/death among the vulnerable. People who go to Spain, Greece or Turkey in the summer were unlikely to suffer any serious effects.
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Temperatures have to be taken in the shade, 1.25m above ground, with no other structures within 1m. They don't have to be taken at 3PM though. Most temperature stations take a reading hourly.
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We put weather recording devices near airports because the temperature and weather are very important for air travel. It doesn't actually produce hotter readings. For example, Heathrow got 40.1, and nearby Kew Gardens and St James Park (neither of which are at airports) recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively. The complaint about recording devices being at airports is just the latest move from denialists. I promise you are better off accepting an uncomfortable reality to a comforting make believe.
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We put weather recording devices near airports because the temperature and weather are very important for air travel. It doesn't actually produce hotter readings. For example, Heathrow got 40.1, and nearby Kew Gardens and St James Park (neither of which are at airports) recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively. The complaint about recording devices being at airports is just the latest move from denialists. I promise you are better off accepting an uncomfortable reality to a comforting make believe.
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Correct. Those things don't really affect the reading, as it is taken a considerable distance from the things you mention. It is a heat island, but then so is every city, and we shouldn't discard those recordings - people live there!
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It's not really a point at all. Heathrow recorded 40.1 on Tuesday. The next two nearest stations, at Kew Gardens and St James Park, recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively. Neither of them are at airports. Airports don't actually record higher temperatures than surrounding areas. PJW is just selling his audience a comforting make-believe.
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@pattwidale4045 What do you think of the 40 degree temperatures recorded last Tuesday in the UK?
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How do you mean? You can have record high temperatures every year, theoretically.
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If the "tallest person" record kept getting broken, and most of the top 10 tallest people ever were born in the last 30 years, that would imply that people are in general getting taller (or that the deviation is increasing I guess).
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What you were telling your family was incorrect. Heathrow recorded 40.1 yesterday, and the two other nearest stations, Kew Gardens and St James Park, neither of which are at airports, recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively.
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@peterjones4180 That one was debunked more than 20 years ago. Not a single meteorologist believes the Bourke reading.
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I also don't understand the difference between weather and climate.
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Yeah, it was cooler than the Jurassic period.
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The Met Office data goes back to 1866, and the Celsius scale was only invented in 1742. Bit bizarre to just make up something like this on youtube. Why bother?
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Did anyone without any formal education check the temperature? Yeah.
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40.2 at St James Park. It was hotter there than Heathrow which is a few miles away. Airports don't actually make the reading hotter - PJW is just selling his audience a comforting fiction.
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They moved to a colour gradient because it gives much more information than just "it's sunny."
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@kernowforester811 I don't think either of those were record lows. Lowest I can find for Bodmin is -6 from 2018.
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Yes. The UK is definitely colder than when it was covered in lava and had no plant or animal life.
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What do you think about the 40.2 in St James Park?
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The things mentioned have a negligible effect. Heathrow records identical temperatures to nearby Kew Gardens and St James Park, neither of which are at airports. It's a non-argument being brought out to comfort denialists.
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@troyturner6083 Believe your eyes sure, but perhaps afford a little more scepticism to the youtube videos your eyes are waching. The temperatures from Tuesday weren't the result of any modelling or predictions - they were simply the recorded temperatures all across the country.
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@troyturner6083 I'm not a airplane engineer, so cannot give a full answer, but a quick google search confirms that air temperature affects air density which in turn determines the take off and landing distances of a plane. This is just one example. I was in a plane once which was delayed as they had to do something or other to the engine due to the cold. Several airports in the UK shut down on Monday and Tuesday due to the heat (though this was related to the impact the heat was having on runways rather than planes).
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@troyturner6083 My first comment merely involved the skill of reading what the temperatures from Tuesday were off the Met Office website. Anyone can do that, and I promise you can too ;) No great knowledge is needed to quickly that airports didn't actually record hotter temperatures than their surrounding area.
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@troyturner6083 As I mentioned, we take temperature readings at airports because it is important for air travel. You can verify that airports aren't hotter than other areas nearby by just looking at the Met Office website. The temperatures are listed clearly, and you can even click to see a list of other nearby measurements, which is convenient for this question. Heathrow (airport) - 40.1 Kew Gardens and St James Park (not airports) - 40.1 and 40.2 I don't quite understand why you're resistant to this - does your philosophy really hinge on the belief that airports are somehow significantly hotter than surrounding areas? You can still be a conservative, liberal, libertarian, or whatever else you happen to be, without believing something which is so easily proven false.
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@troyturner6083 Well why not apply that scepticism to the claim that airports are hotter than the surrounding areas? It is easy to prove that claim false, as I've done above. If you pride yourself in calling BS when you hear it, why accept that so readily? With regards why the temperature is taken at airports, I explained why - temperature has a big impact on the running of planes. Why would you suggest temperature is frequently taken at airports?
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How do you think this youtube video reflects on the Met Office? And how does it reflect on Paul Joseph Watson? In your view.
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Hate to break the news, but you'll have to cling to a different denialist soundbite now. On Monday, Phoenix Park in Dublin recorded a 33.1 temperature.
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@darrenfinnerty3872 This was corrected just last year. See "Reassessing Ireland's Hottest Temperature Record"
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That's the issue no? "Outside" in the UK used to mean 28 degrees tops. Last Tuesday, it meant 40.
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@mbooks3081 Surely there's a third option though? You can be sceptical of things. You don't have to take anything PJW, Al Gore or the BBC says on the face of it.
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They take temperature readings at airports because temperature (and weather) are vital for air travel. In this case Heathrow recorded 40.1 and the next two nearest stations (Kew Gardens and St James Park) recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively, despite neither being at airports. The idea that airports make the readings hotter is a comforting fiction Paul is selling his audience.
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@williamselock6415 The Met Office already does that. Heathrow recorded 40.1 degrees. The next two nearest stations (Kew Gardens and St James Park) aren't at airports and they recorded 40.1 and 40.2 degrees respectively. Airports don't actually record hotter temperatures than surrounding areas - Paul is just, once again, selling his audience a comforting fiction.
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@streamers342 Airport temps aren't used to spike the data. That's just PJW providing comforting fiction. Heathrow recorded 40.1, and the next nearest two weather stations (Kew Gardens and St James Park, neither at airports) recorded 40.1 and 40.2. I don't know why temperature would have to level off at some point. There's no reason why we won't have 300 degree days, but nobody will be around to record it obviously.
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@peterjones4180 Have you read the 97 study proving the reading to be incorrect?
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@wun1gee Chris Burt isn't "some nobody" he's an established meteorologist. Will Reid is another example of a meteorologist who doubts the 134 reading. Both of them give extensive arguments for their belief that the reading is incorrect. You may disagree - most meteorologists do accept the 134 reading - but it's worth keeping in mind that the hottest universally accepted temperatures have indeed been set much more recently.
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"Global cooling" was indeed a scientific conjecture in the 70s, but it was mostly promoted by journalists. Scientific consensus around global warming has been established for a good 40 years at this point. They can definitely be said to have "made their mind up."
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@richardstill8689 CFCs were significantly reduced following the Montreal protocol. As a result, the ozone layer has been slowly but surely repairing. It's a big environmental success story. But yes, the main issue today is greenhouse gases, like carbon and methane as you mention.
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@richardstill8689 This seems a bit of a non-sequitur. The hypocrisy of Leonardo Dicaprio obviously has no bearing on whether or not climate change is real.
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@richardstill8689 Yeah I really don't see how Leonardo Dicaprio having a mansion and private jet and so on has any bearing at all on what is a scientific question. I doubt you really believe there's any connection either. If I told you that Dicaprio owns a sports car, would you be able to conclude anything about the validity of string theory? Obviously not.
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@richardstill8689 ....but surely you see that what you just said has no bearing at all on the scientific question of whether or not climate change is real?
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@richardstill8689 I'm not convinced that they are. The celebrities and millionaires you mention aren't exactly representative of "all proponents of climate change." For example, none of the people you mention are climatologists.
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The readings at airports aren't actually any hotter than readings at surrounding areas. Heathrow recorded 40.1, and the two nearest stations not at airports (Kew Gardens and St James Park) recorded 40.1 and 40.2 respectively.
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@kellyloughroadyoga6896 The stations near Heathrow and Gatwick both meet all those criteria.
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UK average temperature is 9.7 degrees, up from 9.3 in 2015, 8.8 in 1995, 8.3 in 1975...
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