Comments by "rockethead7" (@rockethead7) on "Thunderf00t"
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@peterdarr383
Quote: "You use the same AMOUNT of electricity to get a loaded Semi 0-60 whether you accelerate fast or slow."
== Not true. I mean, sure, in physics 101, where you calculate the really basic thermodynamic equations, sure, yeah, it would seem you're right, because the net energy delivered is the same, right? But, in practice, that's not how it goes, because there are more factors than entry-level physics 101 would tell you. There are more factors in the actual real-life equation. There's more energy lost when trying to deliver the power quickly, than if delivering the power slowly. It's not as much loss as an internal combustion engine loses energy at full throttle vs. feathering... but... still... it's similar in concept... the harder you hit that pedal, the more energy that will be lost to heat.
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Then you have failed to understand the point. Musk touts full self-driving whenever his stock price needs a boost, and says "next year" over and over. Years go by, and he hasn't delivered, but keeps telling investors and car buyers that it's just a software update away from full self driving, and says, "next year" again. Then, legislature gets involved, and says, "Hey, wait a minute, you're not putting full self driving cars on our roads, are you? Those have to go through a legal certification process, and that's not 'next year' before it get approved." What does the Tesla legal department say in response to legislature? It says that Tesla has NO PLANS to put full self driving cars on the road. Musk says one thing, and then the company's own legal department says the opposite.
Nobody is going to be "really pissed" if/when Tesla makes full self driving cars. That day is coming sooner or later, as it will for many auto manufacturers. But, it's the snake oil deceptive nature of Musk presenting that it's "a year away," and "buy one of our cars now, and I'll give you full self-driving robo-taxis next year," that people don't like. I mean, GM, for comparison's sake, is working on full self driving robo-taxis right now. But, they don't plan on selling them. They plan on keeping them as a money-generating fleet. It's the same for other auto manufacturers. Nobody sells a money-printing machine. Musk says he plans on selling these things to the public (why?). It's snake oil.
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On what planet do you think Tesla operates at 30% profit margin? Last quarter, for example, they reported $11 billion in gross revenue, with $1.1 billion in profit. That's right smack at 10%. Are you confusing gross profit and net profit, maybe? And, given that 2020 was the first year that Tesla EVER recorded a profit, and lost money every single other year, let's face reality here, it's still far underwater in the bigger picture, having lost billions upon billions upon billions since inception. Also, given that Tesla was slapped around by the FTC in the past for its unorthodox and illegal accounting practices (basically falsely inflating their numbers), let's just say that I'm pretty skeptical about these sudden magical massive profits in 2021.
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Well, that's basically how the really successful scam artists operate. Think about it. A scam artist that never delivers anything, ever, will have a very short time before people will just stop following. But, a scam artist that delivers sometimes... and develops a cult following... can keep on saying/doing anything under the sun, even with a remarkably low overall track record. Even if riddled with 90%+ failure rate, people will still just say to look at the successes.
As for your comment that people shouldn't criticize unless they themselves are doing the same thing, get real here. By that logic, people can't criticize a bad movie unless they directed movies themselves... people can't criticize bad banking practices unless they have run banks... etc. This is just silly.
Sure, you can name a few "successes," nobody ever said otherwise. But, c'mon, exploding nuclear bombs over Mars' poles will transform the atmosphere?? Nonsense. Where is Musk getting that garbage? Hyperloop? Ridiculous. Solar City?? He narrowly avoided getting thrown in prison for that one, but, still ended up being named responsible for billions on that. And, what? A couple of days later, after being told by the court that he has to pay those people between $3 billion and $9 billion for his fraud, he sells off $6 billion in stock... and then blames it on taxes?? What?? Who ever had to pay taxes on stocks that haven't even been sold? What IS he talking about? Most settlements get split right down the middle, right? Is it coincidental that Musk's "taxes" happened to be right down the middle of the delta between $3 billion and $9 billion that he owes those people for his Solar City scam?
Oh, but, I cannot comment, because I've never been sued for billions of dollars. Only people who have been sued for billions of dollars can comment, right?
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Well, here's the main point: Musk refuses to reveal the weight of the truck. Nobody, not Thunderf00t, nor any other YouTuber, would even need to try to estimate these things if he'd just publish the darned number. Every other truck manufacturer on the face of the planet knows how important it is to know the weight, so the buyer can calculate how much cargo they can carry per load, therefore they publish the weight. It's usually the buyer's main concern, and no [sane] buyer would purchase a truck without knowing that number. But, Tesla won't say. Instead, they just say "this beats rail," and the main companies who buy it are really just seeking the "green" image that goes along with electric vehicles, not because they'll save money.
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Well, I can only speak for myself. I can tell you that I don't "count on" him being right about any calculations. The fact remains that we're FORCED to guess, because Musk has kept the price and the weight a secret. Is he estimating too low? Maybe. But, I'll say this much: if the actual numbers aren't very bad, I'd find it pretty hard to believe Musk would refuse to reveal them. I think he only refuses to reveal them BECAUSE the actual numbers are pretty bad. So, it doesn't matter to me if Thunderf00t is estimating incorrectly, the fact remains that Tesla is a publicly traded company that refuses to reveal vital numbers to the public. If the numbers are good, Musk will get away with it. But, down the road, if we find out the numbers are bad (closer to what Thunderf00t estimates), you had better believe Musk will face his 3rd major lawsuit from investors.
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You can't even buy a Tesla Model S for $100,000. But, Elon is going to get you to Mars for that much? With enough supplies and infrastructure for a lifetime? Let's recall, once you adjust for inflation, and include international support, hard costs, and soft costs, Apollo costed $250 billion in today's dollars. And, for that, they put 12 people on the moon for a few hours each (about $16 billion per person). Musk is going to build cities on Mars and a lifetime of supplies for 1/160,000th of the cost? Snake oil.
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I'll just pick a few points to reply about:
"A semi can only carry a quarter of the load of a diesel track? Based on what fact"
Well, we don't really know, because Musk refuses to tell anybody how much the Semi weighs. Every other truck manufacturer on the planet publishes the weight, because it's one of the most important factors for a buyer to know. 80,000 pounds, minus the weight of the truck, equals how much cargo you can carry. The more the truck weighs, the less cargo you can carry. And, batteries are ridiculously heavy. A lithium ion battery carries only 1/100th of the energy as gasoline does (literally). It takes 100 pounds of lithium ion batteries to produce the same amount of energy as 1 pound of gas/diesel. You might not care if batteries are half the weight of your entire car, hauling 4 people around town. But, when you get into hauling cargo, and approaching the maximum road weight, yeah, it's pretty important to know the weight. And, as long as Musk refuses to reveal it, everyone is forced to just keep estimating (i.e. this video).
"now the part where there exist semis but the companies that preordered get none… dude what’s your point?"
The point is that the companies that ordered trucks in 2017 (paying the deposit money) were expecting them in 2019. Years and years go by. And, they expect their trucks in 2022, and then are told they need to keep waiting.
"not every decision he made is cool or right (in my opinion) but he has done many things correct."
Well, depends on what you mean by "correct." If lying to investors makes him money, ok, then that's "correct"?
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@stephanweinberger
Hilarious!! You just make stuff up as you go along, eh? So, if someone rates the efficiency of a gas engine on a stand, it's only in the lab. But, if they rate it for an electric drivetrain, it's "real world"? Oh, you're not biased at all. Right. Like electric cars don't have overhead to deal with, like air conditioners, lights, etc., which drive that "real world" efficiency down also, huh? Good gods. Sorry, I can't deal with people who live on another planet.
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Yeah, sometimes it gets old to see some clips repeated over and over across so many videos. However, you have to remember that not everyone watches all videos. There will always be occasional viewers, or people that see one of his videos for the first time. So, sometimes, it's required to give the fundamental back-story. Like, in every episode of Gilligan's Island, they spend the first few minutes introducing the characters and giving the back-story of these people stranded on an island, in case it's the first time you're watching.
Lowballing? Maybe. Maybe not. The problem is that Musk is keeping the numbers a secret, and we shouldn't need to lowball anything in the first place.
Tesla is a publicly traded company. The investors have every right to know the cost of the products being made, the profit margins expected, and the viability of those products. By keeping the price secret, this cripples the investors' ability to make educated decisions about investing. By keeping the weight a secret, this cripples the investors' ability to assess whether this is a viable product. Sorry, but, you can have the "let's wait and see" attitude about private companies. But, publicly traded companies must be an open book (within reason). I mean, trade secrets are one thing. That's acceptable. Chevy tries like crazy to keep the latest generations of Corvettes under wraps, until they're ready to reveal them. But, Musk already delivered the first Tesla Semis, and STILL is keeping it a secret (and undoubtedly made Pepsi sign secrecy agreements also). If it turns out that the reason it's a secret is because the truck isn't really a viable product in the first place, and Musk was dumping stock before revealing the weight, yeah, that's downright illegal.
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@sj4632
Tesla's scams include a long list of promises that were aimed at falsely boosting stock price, for goals that the company isn't even close to delivering. Some examples: Tesla Semi... why won't they reveal the weight of the vehicle? That's the most crucial fact, yet, they simply won't tell it. Full self driving... why did Musk promise it "next year" (repeatedly), while his own legal department says that Tesla has no such plans?
SpaceX... Boca Chica. Need I say more? I mean, I could say more. But, just sticking with Boca Chica when you constantly ignore FAA orders, and continue to violate your own stated purpose of Boca Chica, um, yeah, that's pretty scammy. What's that tower he's building there now? He said he'd never construct a launch tower there, right? The FAA never approved a launch tower. Yet, hmm, looks like a launch tower to me (add to the long list of violations in Boca Chica). Or, if I do want to go further than just Boca Chica, what?? Musk is saying he's going to achieve Mars missions for $100K per person? How? That Starship sure isn't going to do it. I could go on to how SpaceX charges private companies less per launch than he charges government/NASA launches, thus padding his infrastructure with the government-paid launches, then lies and pretends that his launches are cheaper than they actually are... with his long history of cooking the books in both Tesla and SpaceX... but, whatever, I doubt you know or care about any of that.
Tesla again... Solar City is now part of Tesla, right? Are you going to deny that Solar City was a 100% scam? Musk narrowly avoided being thrown in prison a couple of weeks ago, right? But, the judge said that Musk must personally pay billions to those he scammed with Solar City, right? Musk claims that he only owes $3 billion for scamming Solar City. The plaintiffs say Musk owes $9 billion for scamming them. Then, Musk cashed in $6 billion in stock, and claimed it was for paying taxes?? What? Who owes taxes on stock that pays no dividends, and hasn't been sold yet? On what planet would anybody EVER owe tax money on that? Or, hhmmmmm, could it be that, a couple of days prior to him selling that $6 billion in Tesla stock, the judge told him that he will be personally liable for the billions he scammed out of Tesla investors when he merged it with solar city, thus bailing himself out of billions of debt that he couldn't pay, and instead, used Tesla investors to rescue his bankrupt company. I'd say that's a Tesla scam, wouldn't you? The judge certainly agreed.
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@hal4k
YOU SAID: "As far I know,"
== TRANSLATION: "I believe everything Musk says, with no critical thinking whatsoever."
YOU SAID: "Elon Musk is selling $11 billion in stock primarily to pay taxes"
== Taxes on what? Who needs to pay tax on stock that has no dividends, and hasn't yet been sold? Do you know anything about tax law at all? You don't pay tax on stock you haven't yet sold. So, to claim he needs to sell stock to pay taxes doesn't make any sense. Tax ON WHAT INCOME?? If you buy $100 in stock, and it's now worth $1,000, are you under the impression that you must now pay tax on $900, before you've even sold the stock? (Hint: no. You don't pay tax until you sell it. Musk had no reason to claim he owed billions in tax money.)
YOU SAID: "probably there are other reasons too why he is doing it now"
== Yeah, like I said, he was almost thrown into prison, but, avoided it, at the expense that the judge said he is personally liable for billions to those he scammed in the Solar City fiasco.
YOU SAID: "but that I do not know, only speculate."
== TRANSLATION: "I will wait to hear what Musk says, then regurgitate it."
YOU SAID: "When it comes to SolarCity, I know that the solar tile is taking far longer than anticipated and some reviews are not favorable due to lack of support etc, but I wouldn't go as far to call it a fraud or scam"
== Wow. Did you listen/read ANY of the trial?? Musk said that there were a thousand solar rooftops already installed. Meanwhile, there were actually only about 10. And, none of them actually worked. He then stood in front of a bunch of studio houses, and claimed that they all had solar rooftops (baiting the investors). None of those houses did. Then, during the trial, Musk backtracked and said that it was only a "concept" he was selling, and tried to tapdance and claimed that he never said those houses had solar roofs... but that they were only solar roof "visual concepts." And, of course, Solar City continues to lose money every quarter, only buffered by the investors in Tesla, because, like it or not, they now own those debts. Seriously here, get real. The judge only DIDN'T throw Musk into prison because it would mean the investors would never get paid. He let Musk stay free of prison so that he could pay his debt to the people he scammed. Sheeeessssssshhhh.
YOU SAID: "but I can understand why some people would say that if expectations were not met."
== The expectation is, when someone is asking for billions in investment money to buy Solar City, that the person should TELL THE TRUTH. Don't claim that there are thousands of them installed already. Don't claim that "these are all solar houses" when not a single one of them is. Don't pretend the the solar tiles actually work, when they don't. Good grief. "Expectations were not met"??? Is that the wording that is most appropriate here? If someone robs a bank at gunpoint, are you going to say, "the expectations were not met" (like, the expectation that people follow the law, and not rob people?)....
YOU SAID: "I am not saying Elon Musk is perfect, and most certainly all this attention is getting to his head, but this anti Elon Musk movement is getting to fanatical when everything Musk related is twisted to some dark ulterior motives, I would like to see a more balanced discussion, which I am not seen here."
== TRANSLATION: "I don't like hearing bad things about my heroes. So, stop saying so many of them."
Hint: life is a lot easier if you don't have heroes at all. Life is a lot easier if you analyze things one at a time, and establish your own moral compass, rather than just blindly swallowing anything a snake oil salesman tells you.
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1) There's a difference between being a salesman, but not knowing the actual technologies very well.... vs. outright lies and deception. I could sit here and list 1,000 outright deceptions, but, one will do for now: the man outright refuses to give the weight of the truck. Every statement he makes about the weight is quoting the total weight of truck+cargo. That's ridiculous and slimy. People need to know the weight of the truck, so they can know how much cargo they can carry, and stay under the 80,000 pound cap.
2) I suggest you keep track of the number of promises Musk makes, vs. the number of times he's delivered on those promises.
3) You don't get to just "dream big" when it comes to publicly owned companies. The investors need to know realistic timelines, realistic goals, and actual costs/profits. This isn't just "nice to have." It's a legal requirement. He can "dream big" all he wants. But, if he stands in public and states that "full self driving" will be available in 12 months, "robo-taxis with nobody driving," and then his own legal department has to follow behind and say that they have no such intentions, um, yeah, that's criminal. He barely avoided prison with his Solar City scam. He's toying with prison again with these Tesla false promises. "Dreaming big" in private is fine. But, as a representative of Tesla, he cannot tell these lies to investors. That's a classic pump and dump, which is illegal, yet, it's exactly what he did when he unloaded so many billions in Tesla stock, after pumping it up with false statements.
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@CreatureColossus
YOU SAID: "The reason I mention it here is simple: detractors are faced with an ever shrinking list of criticisms to justify their views."
== WOW!!!! I wouldn't even know how to be more backward than that statement is!!! Sheeeesssshhh.
YOU SAID: "I'm curious what happens when this also gets solved."
== Then, it goes through the legal steps to become certified. There are 5 levels of automated driving. Level 0 is a basic car with no automation. Levels 1-5 have some automation. Most cars that tout assisted driving nowadays are level-1. Level-2 has been attained by some cars. No cars have yet achieved level 3-4-5. Tesla's solution was to promise level-5 (full self driving, like a robo-taxi), then, a few years later, simply declare (re-define) that "full self driving" now means level-2. Of course, this is just one of the many snake oil sales tactics. If you can't deliver "full self driving," just re-define what those words mean... to something you can deliver. So, to answer your question about what happens when this gets solved, well, my return question would be, are you talking about REALLY getting solved, like REAL level-5 self-driving? Or, are you asking about Musk's version, where he simply changed what "full self driving" means, and declares it's already solved? If the former, yeah, then what will happen is that the first auto manufacturers will not sell the cars. They will go through the rigorous process of getting those cars legalized, passing years' worth of tests and proof-of-concepts. Then, they will keep them as money-printing machines. Once too many of them are on the market to make profits that way, then they will resume selling cars to the public again.
YOU SAID: "It must be hard for thunderfoot to perform the mental gymnastics of brushing aside the success of Tesla"
== What? Tesla spent 2003 to 2010 as a private company, never making a profit. It went public in 2010, and never made a profit. They attempted to claim a profit in 2014, but, the FTC slapped them down for illegal accounting practices (cooking the books), and they had to report losses instead. Then, in 2020, they reported profits for the first time (yeah, when every auto manufacturer on the planet benefitted from COVID's dynamics). I'd hardly call this a "success." I mean, if stock price means anything, yeah, Tesla is worth more than every auto manufacturer on Earth. But, the reality is, in order to justify that stock price, the per-car profit margin would need to be about $2 million (yes, literally). Given that they barely make any profit on their cars whatsoever, and they don't even sell a single car for the margin required, um, yeah, I'd say the stock is overvalued, wouldn't you?
YOU SAID: "and SpaceX,"
== Musk just declared a couple of weeks ago that SpaceX is on the brink of bankruptcy!!!! What's wrong with you?
YOU SAID: "in order to justify his hatred of Musk."
== Good grief. Are you capable of paying attention? Yes, credit goes where it's due. But, you Muskites need to quit focusing on these "successes" and look at the overall track record of Musk's claims. It ain't good.
YOU SAID: "Also, businesses make promises, miss timelines, and change strategies all the time. Especially in the tech field."
== Good grief.
-- Exploding nuclear bombs over the poles of Mars will terraform it into an Earth-like atmosphere?? Where does he get that sort of nonsense? Mars' atmosphere is approximately 1% of that of Earth's. Exploding bombs over the poles isn't going to do squat to terraform the planet's atmosphere. He is making that up.
-- He puts a mime in a robot costume, and says he's now manufacturing robots next year? Do you believe him?
-- Full level-5 self driving cars "next year" (years ago). Meanwhile, his own company's legal department says they have no such plans.
-- Hyperloop? What a joke. A 99.9% vacuum, with a pod floating on a cushion of air?? How does that work? How do you maintain a vacuum, if you're pumping air into the tube? Then, he puts on this ridiculous Hyperloop demonstration, pretending to vacuum the tube down. But, hmmm, the cameras inside show dust floating in the air?? How is it a vacuum, if the dust doesn't fall to the ground, and is suspended in the air? (Scam.)
-- Vegas tunnel? Musk's contract indicates that he has to pass 4,400 passengers per hour. He promised full self driving pods through the underground tunnel in order to deliver on this. Meanwhile, the system was a bait-and-switch, and all they ended up doing was staffing it with drivers in regular Tesla cars. Of course, Vegas is laughing all the way to the bank, because they don't have to pay Tesla or the Boring Company a dime if the system doesn't deliver (and, it's not delivering). So, of course, Vegas agreed to let Musk build more tunnels, because it's FREE (to the city)!!! Musk / Boring Company / Tesla have to foot the bill. Meanwhile, it's the laughing stock of the town.
-- How about that illegal $420 tweet? Do I even need to start?
-- A couple of weeks ago, Musk narrowly avoided going to prison. But, the judge told him that he'd be personally liable for the billions of dollars he scammed in the Solar City deal. It is estimated to be between $3 billion (Musk's claim), and $9 billion (the plaintiffs' claim). Then, a couple of days later, he sells off $6 billion in stock, claiming it was to pay taxes??? Since when do you pay tax on stock you haven't yet sold? He doesn't get dividends, remember? So, why did he owe $6 billion in tax money? Was it merely a coincidence that, a few days before he sold that $6 billion, he was told by the judge that he was personally liable for between $3 billion and $9 billion to the people he scammed? Oh, but the list of things Musk does to warrant hatred is DECREASING, you say??
Good gods. It's a cult. You people can't see the forest through the trees.
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"Your objections are spurious nonsense."
Then why is Musk/Tesla fighting tooth and nail to keep the weight and price a secret?
"The cost of operation of the Tesla truck is so much less than diesel, essentially makes the diesel truck not competitive."
So says Musk. Is there any particular reason you blindly believe that? If the man won't reveal the price or numbers, and all he does is put on a PowerPoint display making the claim that it's cheaper, um, ok, we'd believe that, why?
"The issue of cargo capacity is spurious."
Yeah, go tell that to any trucking company. Tell them that they don't need to worry about cargo capacity. Right.
"You increase the load capacity by increasing axle numbers and wheels. Instead of having an 18 wheeler you increase the wheels to 26, and gross vehicle weight to 120,000 instead of 80,000lbs."
Sorry, but the maximum allowable weight by law is 80,000 pounds. They give an extra 2,000 pound bonus for electric trucks, bringing that to 82,000 pounds. But, no, you can't just make it 120,000 pounds. You need all kinds of permits and pay all kinds of massive fees to ship oversized loads. And, they have to be scheduled, and can't be done in all weather conditions. And, they don't just grant endless permits. Pepsi cannot just say that they need to run oversized loads 200 times per day. The highway commissions will not permit it. Oversized loads are the exception, not the rule. They'll just demand that Pepsi should split their loads up into multiple trucks, else, every single bottle company in the country would have been shipping oversized loads every single day for the last 80 years. You don't need an electric truck to have saved money that way. You can save money using diesel trucks by combining shipments into a huge oversized load. But, why haven't they been? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED!!! And, you usually need all kinds of escorts and flag trucks and stuff to run that kind of load, which increases the cost even more. Don't sit there and talk about "spurious" claims, while you're advocating something that isn't allowed.
"With respect to driving range, 500 miles per day is the maximum that you want to drive without a 10 hour reset. You charge the battery during your 10 hour reset."
Maybe. Depends on the charger. How fast do you think it'll charge? I mean, sure, with a megacharger, maybe that'll work in that amount of time. But, how many of those exist anywhere in the country? One or two?
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@isrbillmeyer
YOU SAID: "Just lower cost and more launches than any company or government agency."
== Paid for mostly by the government agency. And, by the way, the costs aren't as low as represented.
YOU SAID: "Just more electric vehicles than anyone else."
== As I said, that's one of the few "successes" (sort of). They did it by not making a profit for 10 years, with the cult following constantly increasing stock prices to astronomical unjustified levels.
YOU SAID: "And both times most people said it could not be done."
== I'm not most people.
YOU SAID: "Boeing that is a veteran in the industry with generations of experience cannot even compete"
== Yeah, because they do things correctly, while SpaceX cooks the books. Why do you think Musk said SpaceX is on the brink of bankruptcy?
YOU SAID: "and the legacy companies need massive subsidies to stay alive but still cannot compete."
== Sure, if SpaceX drives itself into bankruptcy in order to make its prices artificially lower than the others... sure.
YOU SAID: "At some point you have to admit that Tesla that is now the biggest robot company, producing the most EV's, SpaceX that does the most launches of any entity is maybe not vaporware."
== Biggest robot company? What? Um, no. But, nobody said that the cars or launches were "vaporware." It's all the rest that's vaporware.
YOU SAID: "Well SpaceX and Tesla was also criticised and nearly went bankrupt a number of times."
== Yeah, like now?
YOU SAID: "Always amusing how the big critics don't actually have real products of their own other than hot air generation."
== Again with the nonsense that nobody can criticize if they don't produce the same products. Meanwhile, if those who DO produce the same products criticize, you'll just say they're jealous. So, basically, you have defined it as impossible to criticize. Bravo, genius.
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@isrbillmeyer
YOU SAID: " SpaceX will be doing just fine. More than fine. It looks like SpaceX is going to dominate and get a lot more contracts worldwide."
== Yet, a couple of weeks ago, Musk stated that SpaceX was on the brink of bankruptcy. Mighty huge turnaround in just a couple of weeks.
YOU SAID: "And I will repeat... yeah the hardest critics produce nothing but hot air."
== You can repeat it until the cows come home. But, all you're demonstrating is that you won't accept input, by your own definitions. If someone hasn't done the exact same things, then they're not in a position to criticize. If someone has done the exact same things, and they criticize, then they're just emitting sour grapes. Either way, you won't accept input.
YOU SAID: "Even as it stand now it is clear that SpaceX is still in better shape than the competition."
== Then why did Musk say a couple of weeks ago that SpaceX was on the brink of bankruptcy?
Look, as I explained, Musk benefits from having a few things that have been successful. But, by and large, a vast majority of his individualized claims have been absolute hogwash. I mean, I noticed that you refused to respond to my statements/questions about Musk narrowly avoiding being thrown into prison, and then being told by the judge that he is personally liable for the damages for the Solar City scam, which will amount to between $3 billion and $9 billion to his victims. Magically, a few days later, Musk sells $6 billion in stock, claiming that this is to pay taxes. (On stock he hasn't sold??? How does that work? You don't pay tax on stock you haven't sold yet. And, given that his stock doesn't pay dividends, what EXACT money did he owe taxes on? How does any of that make sense?) I asked you if you thought it was coincidental that, a few days prior to selling that $6 billion in stock, Musk was told by the judge that he would have to pay between $3 billion and $9 billion to his victims. You wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Instead, you went off on other topics.
Sorry, your mind has been lost. Dazzled by a few successes, ignoring the multiple failures, and the outright scamming he has done. And, when you refuse any input (as you've made it quite clear that you intend to do), there's really no point here. You're doomed to be that way the rest of your life.
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Well, I think you missed the point of the Starlink video. But, whatever, I can't go that deep in a single comment. As for how well this video will age, well, I must ask if you understand the main point? The main point is that the truck is probably so heavy that Musk doesn't want to reveal its weight, because that will deter purchases, because they won't be able to haul very much cargo. If you need three Tesla trucks to haul the same weight as a single regular diesel truck, the entire concept of saving money is thrown out the window. The secondary point is that if it takes an eternity to charge these trucks, no trucking company will want them, because trucks don't make money if they have to sit there for hours/days just to get charged up.
As for the weight of the barriers, how would we even know how much they weigh? He won't say!!! Jersey style? What? How would we even know? For all we know, they're hollowed out. But, I'm not making that accusation. I figure they probably are "normal." But, to assert that we know how much they weigh is silly. The man has had YEARS to give the weight of the truck. YEARS. And, he refuses to do it. He just won't tell anybody how much that thing weighs, thus he is forcing the world to make estimates like this. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Every other truck manufacturer on the planet will give the exact weight of the truck, down to the pound. But, we can't even get a ballpark figure from Musk.
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Well, you can find anything "hard to believe" if you feel like it. It doesn't change the fact that, as long as Musk refuses to reveal the weight of the truck, everyone must continue to make these estimates based on the known weight of batteries, and approximations of what's shown in the video. Every other manufacturer on Earth publishes the weight of the truck. Musk doesn't. And, like it or not, batteries are darned heavy. From an energy standpoint, it takes about 100x more weight in batteries than you get from standard gasoline or diesel. Literally. Not kidding. You can look this up. A lithium ion battery carries about 1/100th of the energy per pound than gasoline.
You have also missed the point about driving slow. (Maybe Thunderf00t missed it also.) The point is that they probably had to really crack down in order to get 500 miles out of it. It's like when you're trying to get maximum mileage out of your car, so you turn off the AC, turn off all accessories, never exceed 45, feather the gas pedal lightly, test it when the wind is to your back, try drafting other cars, etc. Basically, the point is, they had to milk it.
As for the stock price not matching the actual value of the company, you can say that again. This is what a cult is all about. Tesla has existed how long? 50 quarters or so? How many were profitable? Like 4 of them? Can you see the next tulip?
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I completely agree in principle, that if he's manufacturing the numbers, and artificially making them too low just for YouTube hits, that's a bad thing. But, let's face reality here, with the exception of Thunderf00t's butchery of how copyright laws work, he's got a mighty strong track record of being correct. Musk's Hyperloop WAS an amazing joke that could never succeed. Promises to make intercontinental spacecraft to replace airliners (for the same price per ticket) are ridiculous. The robot that's going to revolutionize life as we know it was just a guy in a spandex outfit. The Vegas tunnel is a bad joke, and cannot move the amount of passengers per hour that the city contract said it should. Twitter is worth a tiny fraction of what Musk paid for it (and he had to borrow the money to do it, sooooo, let's see how much those lenders are willing to tolerate). So, if Thunderf00t incorrectly guessed at the weight of the cargo, well, it's bad, but, let's face the facts: Musk isn't exactly providing numbers so that nobody has to guess. Every single truck manufacturer on the planet reveals the weight of the truck, and the price of the truck, as well as every other stat. Not Tesla, though. Nope, they're taking orders, and making promises, without revealing the most important factors. If Thunderf00t guessed wrong, it's still Musk's fault for even making people guess in the first place.
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And, it's hard to believe that a company like Walgreens would invest in a fake blood testing machine. But, they did. And, it's hard to believe that tons of prestigious investment firms would give billions to Bernie Madoff, who never made a single trade with any of that money. But, they did.
I wonder how Pepsi feels today, by the way. After waiting 5 years instead of 2 years for these trucks, they expected that this December "delivery" event would hand them 15 trucks (with a couple hundred more down the road). As little as 6 weeks ago, they still told the press that they'd get those trucks on December 1. But, nope. They aren't getting them, are they? Tesla is not selling any of them yet. This "delivery" event is nothing of the sort. It's still in prototype stage, and they haven't gotten approval to sell them. And, as Thunderf00t has been saying, I personally think that they don't actually want to sell them anyway, because these trucking companies are in for a real shocker when they find out that they can't charge them quickly, can't go very far, and can't carry very much.
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Sure, if it's real. Funny that the truck that drove the 500 miles wasn't carrying those things. They just showed those things for the few clips. For all we know, they loaded up with a tiny battery pack capable of only about 10 miles, just to take those shots. Then, they load the full battery pack for the other clip of them going 500 miles with a light load. Or, maybe those concrete barriers have been hollowed out, or maybe they're Styrofoam painted to look like concrete. The point is, we already know that Musk uses deceptive practices to accomplish his marketing goals. He's done it time and time again. Why he wasn't imprisoned for the Solar City scam, I'll never understand. And, the same goes for the rest of his nonsense, like Boca Chica, and the fake Hyperloop "vacuum" tunnel (that wasn't a vacuum), and the fake robot doing tasks with jump-cuts and CGI editing. The man cannot be trusted. And, as long as he refuses to reveal the weight of the truck (and the price, for that matter), there's absolutely no reason to trust anything he shows in videos. The proof is in the pudding. Musk doesn't produce pudding. He produces videos about pudding. And, still today, we don't know the weight of the truck, and even Pepsi won't reveal it (undoubtedly they've been contractually obligated to keep it a secret). But, it's awwwwfffulllly telling that they said they're not going to haul any Pepsi for 500 miles. Instead, they're only hauling potato chips for 500 miles. And, if the numbers weren't tragic, why would they be a secret? Why? What possible reason would they have to keep the numbers a secret, unless those numbers were horrible?
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What you might be missing is that Tesla is dropping prices like crazy due to lack of demand. No auto manufacturer is dropping prices more than Tesla. This results in an even bigger drop in resale value than just a "normal" depreciation. Why buy a used one when you can get a new one for the same cost or cheaper? Furthermore, with the Cybertruck, the issue is that it's being introduced at a massively high price, usually over $100K, because the first ones are "foundation" models and have a big upcharge for trivial things, and some are even paying a huge premium. That won't last. And, they're dropping their "full self driving costs" dramatically also, which means if you paid for it at the original pricing, you'll never get that back in trade, because it's far cheaper now. Yes, Tesla is devaluing the trade-in market by all of these practices, and this is well beyond the standard "dealers never give great trade values" argument.
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And, we know those aren't Styrofoam painted to look like concrete, how? I mean, sure, maybe they're real, and weigh what you say. But, the core of the issue is that Musk refuses to reveal the numbers, and leaves people FORCED to guess. And, if Thunderf00t got the numbers wrong, ok, why does that matter that much? Does or doesn't Musk have a massive track record for deceiving people? Does or doesn't Thunderf00t have a pretty darned solid track record for accuracy in every other video? Whose fault is it that Thunderf00t even needs to make guesses like this? Every truck manufacturer on the planet tells people the price of the truck, and the weight of the truck. Not Tesla, though. They refuse to do so. So, whose real fault is it that he's forced to guess?
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Yup. Everyone knows what's needed to stop burning fossil fuels. But, the fundamental problem is that to find a new fuel to replace carbon emitting fuels, you're basically talking about needing to chemically manufacture them (such as hydrogen). You need to pay in money and energy to split water into oxygen and hydrogen ,and this takes 8x more energy than you can ever get back out of the hydrogen. Or, for a more complicated but safe fuel, you have to chemically manufacture it (again, meaning you have to spend a lot of energy and money to do it).
At the moment, the best alternative we have is electric/battery vehicles. But, you're right, it's far too expensive, there's a lack of natural resources, and you just can't use that sort of thing for all applications. Not only is it a problem for large long-haul trucks (i.e. this video), but, it's a major problem for aviation also. They just can't get the batteries light enough to make them viable for aircraft use. A car carrying a few people, where you don't care how much it weighs, ok, you can pull it off. It's terribly expensive, but, it works. But, it's very difficult to scale that up, because of the weight constraints, and the supply of natural resources is restrained (as you pointed out).
So, yes, a radically different battery (which we don't even have any ideas about how to make, or even what to make it from), or some sort of clean burning fuel, would be wonderful. But, they just don't exist yet, and I dare not guess at the odds of actually making them exist.
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Perhaps this is a dumb question, and who knows if you'll ever read this... but... are they saying that the mere fact that the crazy ideas are contained within the video, that even though you are speaking against the crazy ideas, they don't want the crazy ideas to spread? Like, for example, James Randi used to have a huge "problem" in that whenever he aired crazy people with their homeopathy, psychic readings, telepathy, etc., utterly exposing them for the frauds that they are, still, the rule that "any publicity is good publicity" always held true, and the popularity of the people he was debunking kept going UP. Even if the purpose of your video is to tear apart the crazy notions, there will be a subset of viewers that will just believe the stuff you're debunking because they feel like rejecting everything you say. Therefore, by even having the crazy notions within your debunk videos, in some way, to a certain demographic, you end up indirectly promoting it? (Note: I wouldn't agree with YouTube taking down your video for that reason, I still think your video should remain up, but, I'm just asking about a possible "reason" that almost would make sense.)
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I've barely made it into the video. Just 3 minutes in, and sorry, but you cannot possibly complain that an auto manufacturer doesn't cover damages caused by a car wash if the person doesn't put the truck in car wash mode. I cannot stand the Cybertruk, nor Musk, but, sorry, no manufacturer on the planet would cover damages caused by car washes, and complaining about this is a real low point. Love your videos overall, probably 98% of them, but, that particular complaint just makes you look bad.
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Well, because that begs the question about who owns the batteries, and whether or not you'd be willing to give up a brand new battery for one that's near the end of its lifespan, with far less capacity. Old batteries can't be charged up as much as new batteries. They do "wear out." And, when you're talking about batteries that cost over $100K, are you going to just turn them in and swap them out for batteries worth $1K because they're nearly at the end of their lifespan? The answer is that Tesla can choose to own the batteries, and just rent them out, in the style you're talking about. That's been proposed many times over. But, now you're talking about a whole different can of worms, because that's now increasing the total cost of ownership, needing to rent batteries every time you take a drive. Also, just FYI, electric vehicles know that batteries cannot be just completely drained and filled. Most are programmed to nurse the batteries along gently, not charging to fast, not discharging too fast, never dropping below 20% charged, never charging more than 80% charged, etc. When your electric car says it's 100%, it's actually 80%. When it says 0%, it's really 20%. They do this to extend the life of the battery. But, if you're just renting batteries and will be turning them in every couple hundred miles, are you going to go easy on those batteries? Or, are you going to beat them up? Tell me that the truckers won't hack their programming to drain the batteries to get more out of them (at the expense of the long-term life of the battery). Anyway, we may find out that the industry will go in that direction. Who knows? Never say never. But, by and large, the main reason is that nobody is going to purchase a brand new truck with brand new batteries costing more than $100K (yes, just the batteries), and then hand in those batteries after the very first drive. And, if you thought owning a sports car and then renting it out was a bad idea (because the renters will beat the daylights out of that car), wait until you see what truckers will do to those batteries if they don't own them.
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@cd6583
"whats the point of hacking a battery to charge more"
To get more miles out of each trip. But, yeah, in addition to charging more, there's also discharging more (using it down to 0%). Neither of those things is good for batteries. But, if it allows a trucker to turn a 200 mile trip on one charge into a 300 mile trip on one charge, tell me that the trucker won't do that. He's going to turn in the battery anyway. Yes, too many of them will abuse the batteries that way. And, that will wear out the the expensive batteries far faster.
"trucker owns the battery they do need to replace them eventually"
Yes, and if the trucker owns the battery, the trucker is more likely to nurse that battery the way it was designed, to get maximum longevity out of it. Else, they'll be buying new batteries every 6 months, rather than 6 years.
"finally, i thought the shipping company owned the trucks not the truck driver but i could be wrong"
It's both. There are independent truck drivers that own and drive their trucks. And, there are drivers that just work for trucking companies. Either way, if someone else owns the batteries, the driver, or the trucking company, is likely to hack their trucks and make them abuse the batteries.
"so tesla could offer like a batter store and charge service at the charger for companies"
Um, yeah. What do you think they're doing right now? Who do you think owns all of those charging stations?
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1) The issue being talked about isn't technology. It's a matter of fundamentals. It takes 100 pounds of batteries to produce the same amount of energy as a single pound of diesel fuel. And, when you need to lug around that kind of weight just in batteries, it's a fundamental issue of how much weight you're allowed to carry in cargo. You might not care if a Hummer EV weighs 10,500 pounds, but, when you get into the trucking industry, yeah, weight matters.
2) So, you're talking about a 2nd gen or 3rd gen battery that will be lighter? Huh? Lithium ion batteries are as light as it gets for any known metallic substance. Have you looked at the periodic table of elements lately? Lithium is #3. The only elements lighter are hydrogen and helium (#1 and #2). I mean, not that you couldn't maybe cram more electrons into some sort of heavier metal or something... though, I can't imagine how... without basically turning it into a bomb... but, I'll leave that to you. There's a Nobel Prize with your name on it if you can pull it off... not to mention that you'd probably become the world's first trillionaire. But, whatever. Sorry, you don't get to just sit there and declare that there will be lighter batteries, just because your imagination says so. But, the true irony is that the Tesla 4680 battery, the one that's supposed to revolutionize batteries, because it can be charged and discharged more quickly, actually weighs MORE than the conventional counterparts. Why? Because they had to stick a ton more metal connection points inside the battery roll in order to do it. That's how they did it. They took a conventional battery roll, and added a whole bunch of copper to make hundreds of connections into the roll where there used to be only 2. So, now, you can stuff the energy into the roll quicker, and drain it out quicker. But, it's going in the exact opposite direction as you're saying. They're getting HEAVIER, not lighter.
3) Higher energy density? How? When you have to add all of that extra copper to make them charge and discharge faster, you do realize you're REDUCING the energy density, right?
Sorry, blindly drawing an analogy to other industries doesn't magically produce batteries that don't exist. Cramming more electrons into a molecular lattice doesn't mean it's going to be chemically stable (or even possible). Batteries aren't some sort of new technology that just came out 50 years ago, and we're still trying to evolve them, or figure out how they work, you know. This is a well understood and well established industry. And, the only reason the 4680 never existed before was BECAUSE they wanted to keep the batteries simple and lighter and cheaper, and there really weren't any battery applications that needed ultra fast charging and discharging.
Why am I wasting my time on this? You clearly don't even know how a battery works.
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@hal4k
It wasn't a strawman fallacy. Yes, I projected words that you didn't directly say. But, the core of the argument wasn't the "strawman." The core of what I put forth had nothing to do with putting words into your mouth. Putting words in your mouth was just the icing on the cake. But, you're dwelling on that because you need to avoid the cake altogether, in order to fuel your delusions on this topic. So, you just reject the icing, call it a strawman, and pretend there's no cake underneath.
Since you already proved that you refuse to address the details, I'm going to make this very very very easy for you to understand: the judge already ruled. Musk is going to be held personally liable for scamming the investors. He was caught lying numerous times, with the very very very clear goal of making the investors buy Solar City out of imminent collapse, using Tesla to fund it, based on completely inaccurate information provided by Musk himself. In the trial, Musk attempted to backtrack and pretend that he never made the claims he made (even though they're on video), and attempted to say that he was only making those claims "conceptually." (The word "conceptually" was never used when he was duping the investors into buying Solar City.) The investors lost BILLIONS because of those very undeniable lies. Now, you can pretend I'm presenting a "strawman" position all you want. But, the meat and potatoes are very clear, and it has nothing to do with "strawmanning" anything you said whatsoever. The meat and potatoes are in the judge's ruling, and in Musk's own testimony in the trial.
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@CreatureColossus
You opened this thread with a claim. I responded by illustrating why your claim was wrong, and that you have completely misunderstood the main point. You then replied with comments that clearly illustrated that you haven't got the foggiest clue what you're talking about. I tried to spell out to you (via listing many examples of a pattern of deceptive behavior) why you're delusional about what's going on here. And, you didn't want to hear it, and asked me to focus on one main point. But, what you fail to understand is that I wasn't even trying to make one main point. I was responding to YOUR claims. My "main point" (if you could even call it that) was that you have completely misunderstood what's going on here. Nobody is going to be shocked or "pissed" or disappointed if/when Tesla makes full self driving robotic cars. Not me. Not Mason. Nobody. It's inevitable. Auto manufacturers will eventually get to that level. Nobody is claiming otherwise. But, in the meantime, it's quite clear that Musk is selling snake oil, stating that he's perpetually "a year" away from it, to artificially boost car sales and stock price. When he gets up in front of an audience and claims that full self driving robo-taxis are a year away, and if you buy his car now, he'll deliver you a software update next year that will turn your car into a money printing machine, yeah, that's snake oil... because he KNOWS it's not true. And, Mason tried to illustrate many reasons why we know it's not true. Of course, Phil Mason presents very good arguments to illustrate why we know it's not true, but, as he has done many times in the past in his videos, he somehow missed the main reason. The main reason we know Musk is blowing hot air is because the process to certify full level-5 self driving is far longer than a year. He cannot legally put a full self driving robo-taxi on the road until it undergoes a rigorous certification process that lasts far more than a year. He must achieve and certify level 2, then level 3, then level 4, before he can promise people level-5. And, in reality, he can barely even promise level 2 at this point. And, his own legal department, when asked by legislature if they really intend on putting full self driving level-5 cars on the road next year (Musk's claims), Tesla's own legal department said that they have no such plans, and full self driving level-5 isn't even in the works, and they have no intention whatsoever of doing it. Hence, Musk's claim that those were the plans... was A BLATANT LIE to boost sales and stock price. He never said he misspoke. He never published an apology/correction. He just left that claim out there. Yes, I'm sure Tesla (if it still exists a decade or two into the future) will be like every other manufacturer out there, and will be attempting to put full self driving robo-taxis on the road. Nobody is going to pout about this. Nobody is going to be "pissed" when that natural progression finally happens. But, to willfully claim that it's a year away, when it's not even legally possible to do it in a year's time, IS SNAKE OIL SALES!!! And, the mere fact that Musk has now simply re-defined the term "full self driving" to mean merely level-2 automation, declaring that he has achieved it (hoping people will ignore his original robo-taxi claim), is even more ammunition that Musk is selling snake oil. Rather than delivering on the original promise, he has chosen to simply re-define the words to fit something he can deliver, and declares victory.
I then went on to illustrate a tiny fraction of Musk's endless lists of false promises, deceptive claims, pure delusion, and outright fraud (i.e. Solar City). The purpose was to outline to you that Musk's claim for full self driving cars ranks right up there with a long parade of other ridiculous claims Musk has made over the years. I specifically chose a variety of them, to illustrate to you that Musk has pattern of, once again, false promises, deception, delusion, and outright fraud. It would be easy enough to just attribute one "mistake" (making an impossible promise for full level-5 self driving by "next year") to just human error. Fine, he said something that wasn't true. Maybe he just misunderstood things. Maybe he misspoke. Who cares? No harm done, right? But, when you step back and realize that Musk has a very long history of this type of stuff, you will realize that the "full self driving" claim wasn't just a misspeak. It wasn't just a mistaken claim. It fits EXACTLY with his long list of overpromising and underdelivering... and this is DELIBERATE.
Yes, level-5 self driving will be achieved by any/all auto makers eventually. It's not a year away. It cannot even be a year away, because the certification process takes many years. Nobody is going to be "pissed" when this is achieved. People are "pissed" when Musk promises things that he KNOWS cannot be delivered in the timeframe he claims. That's the point here.
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@CreatureColossus
YOU SAID: "Sorry my response got deleted for some reason."
== YouTube's censorship has gone completely off the rails in the past 6-12 months. Stuff gets deleted for absolutely no [valid] reason. I've had stuff deleted, gone back and filtered through everything to find out what YouTube's algorithm balked at, and simply rearranged a couple of harmless words, and it gets through the algorithm and gets posted. Harmless nothing stuff, yet deletes anyway. Pure craziness.
YOU SAID: "The criticism of missed timelines is a valid one. I can understand the frustration."
== Again, you are missing the point if you trivialize this as "missed timelines." These are WILLFUL misrepresentations.
YOU SAID: "In regards to self driving being used to drive up stock price, I'd have to disagree."
== You don't think that Musk saying that he is going to sell you money-printing machines today, and activate them with a software update next years, is going to boost the stock price? Wow.
YOU SAID: "None of the major investment analysts like Jeffries, The Street, or even Cathie Wood are using self driving in their Tesla base-cases."
== Good grief. No "major investment analyst" worth his salt thinks that 1.01 trillion is a reasonable market cap for Tesla. This is outlandish. In order to justify that market cap, Tesla would literally (yes, literally, really literally) need to make over $2 million profit on each vehicle sold. Since the cars don't even cost that much to begin with, um, yeah, they're obviously not earning that kind of profit. So, if any "major investment analyst" says that Tesla is worth its market cap, already, you know they've lost their minds. So, I really don't put any faith whatsoever into anything you have to say about what market analysts say, if you're trying to somehow spin this in favor of Tesla. They make around 200,000 cars per year. And, magically, they're worth 10x or 20x more than every other auto manufacturer on the planet that produces 5 or 10 million cars per year?? That means (if this ridiculous price was justified) that Tesla's value per car sold is approximately 1,200x greater than the value per car sold than any auto maker on Earth. Yeah, you can give some "future value" allowances here, but, let's face reality, it'll be 50+ years before Tesla could ever even approach being worth its current stock value. So, spare me if I ignore your comments about what any "major investment analysts" would ever say.
YOU SAID: "They base their price targets on things like Tesla's margins (above 20%),"
== No, that's gross margin. They had 23% gross margin in the recent few quarters, with 10% net margin. And, sorry, on 200,000 cars per year, that doesn't come anywhere near its current $1T market cap. Again, it's off by a factor of at least 1,000, more like 1,200. And, let's not forget, Tesla didn't make a single dime of profit from 2003 to 2010 (when it was private). It didn't make a single dime of profit from 2010 to 2014, when it then tried to claim its first profits. But, then the FTC slapped them down for illegal accounting practices (cooking the books), and they had to reverse their claims back to losses again. And, they didn't earn a single dime of profit from 2014 to 2019. Their very first profit came in 2020 (when EVERY auto manufacturer benefitted from COVID dynamics). And, in the bigger picture, they're still quite underwater when you look at the billions in losses from 2003 to 2019.
YOU SAID: "growth (also double digits per year), and other factors."
== There's nowhere to go but up. They make a mere 200,00 cars per year. OF COURSE there's growth!! This does not justify a valuation 1,200x greater on a per-car basis than every other auto manufacturer on the planet.
YOU SAID: "Regular investors are also not buying tesla stock because "Daddy Elon" said self driving is around the corner for the nth time."
== Well, today's Musk-cult investors do.
YOU SAID: "Musk's missed timelines are also a meme in the Tesla community after all. The reason people invest in Tesla is because they believe in the mission of Tesla, the products, and the advantages they have in being first movers and having that brand."
== Yes, and they're massively delusional.
YOU SAID: "Also, after all this time, it really doesn't look like competition is coming."
== Pffftt. WHAT? Do you really believe that?
YOU SAID: "A word on viewing businesses in general. Businesses make big claims all the time. Whether its folding phones, the first OLED TVs, or those ridiculous concept cars that we see Mercedes put out."
== What ARE you talking about? Musk nearly went to prison a couple of weeks ago, very narrowly avoiding it, and the judge slapped him down so hard that he said that Musk is PERSONALLY liable for his fraud. This isn't just "making big claims." He is guilty of stock manipulation, and outright fraud. Good grief. You clearly have swallowed every drop of Kool-Aid you could get your hands on.
YOU SAID: "Generating hype is a pretty normal part of it, and plans change, timelines get shifted, and no one is surprised. What people care about is whether or not you actually deliver in the end."
== Sorry, again, this is completely delusional. We're not talking about an aggressive timeline he couldn't meet. We are talking about making a distinct claim (and lots more just like it) that he KNEW was false. And, his own legal department said that the company has NO SUCH PLANS that Musk claimed.
YOU SAID: "Respectfully, I think you're wrong about this one."
== You have lost your mind. That's really all there is to this. Your mind is just plain gone. Flushed down the toilet. It's never coming back.
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