Comments by "rockethead7" (@rockethead7) on "neo"
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Dewdrop, there's a well understood concept in physics called "optical resolution" which you clearly do not understand. And, there's a well understood formula for the size lens you need in order to resolve [whatever] at [whatever] distance. And, if you use that formula, you will find out that it would take a lens approximately 75 feet in diameter to see the lunar lander as just a single dot. You wouldn't know what the dot was, you'd just see it as a dot. In order to barely make out enough details to know what it was, it would take a lens about a quarter mile in diameter. Thus far, the largest lens ever constructed is 5 feet in diameter, and costed $168 million to produce. I think we're a long way away from constructing quarter mile wide telescopes.
But, in the meantime, we have orbiters sent to the moon by the USA, India, and China, which have all sent back images of the landing sites from low orbit around the moon. You can see the landers, rover tracks, foot paths, shadows of the flags (5 of which are still standing), etc.
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Yes, every single one of the world's 77 space agencies, staffed with the virtual entirety of the world's experts, believe it. Meanwhile, the most vocal ones who deny it consist mainly of taxi cab drivers, warehouse workers, yoga instructors, musicians, and high school dropouts. Sure, and, the emojis are their best argument.
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"Hilarious."
No, what's hilarious is when people who understand absolutely nothing... pretend to know more than the entire planet's experts.
"A 10,000lb static thrust motor"
Are you intentionally trying to cram the most wrong things into the fewest amount of words? First of all, if they tried to land at 10,000 pounds of thrust, guess what, they'd never have landed at all. They'd go straight up. At the time of landing, the craft weighed approximately 2,500 pounds in lunar gravity. It began at about 33,500 pounds (Earth weight). It burned about 18,000 pounds of fuel and oxidizer getting down to the surface. Divide by 6 to adjust to lunar gravity. It's about 2,500 pounds. If you ran an engine at 10,000 pounds of downward thrust into a craft that weighs 2,500 pounds, you aren't landing the thing. You're shooting straight up. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Secondly, you claimed "static thrust," but, that's wrong too. The descent engine was dynamically throttleable. It wasn't static at all. In computer mode P66, with the sub "rate of descent mode," as a matter of fact, the throttle was constantly adjusting itself to compensate for the mass of fuel/oxidizer it was burning off. It was about as far from being static as you could even imagine. Yet, here you are, in all of your glory, declaring the exact opposite. Thirdly, sorry, dewdrop, but in rocketry convention, you call it a "motor" if it uses solid rocket fuel, and you call it an "engine" if it uses liquid rocket fuel. The descent rocket burned liquid fuel, therefore was an engine, not a motor. I mean, good grief, it's absolutely stunning to watch people like you, with absolutely zero understanding of a topic, declare these things, in defiance of the entire planet's aerospace engineers and rocket scientists, pretending that you know better.
"that didn't produce any dust"
A rocket wouldn't "produce dust," it would blow dust. And, yes, of course it did. Have you never watched the videos of the landing? Have you never looked at the photos of the ground underneath the lander? It's quite clear that dust was blown by the rocket.
"let alone a crater."
A CRATER?!?!?! In compacted regolith and rock? Good grief, even at the 10,000 pounds of thrust you incorrectly asserted it was using, it wouldn't create a crater. Have you tried doing the math, dewdrop? The engine bell cross section was 2,733 square inches. That's about 3.66 pounds per square inch. Do you really think you're cutting a crater with only 3.66 pounds of pressure per square inch? Sheeesssshh. And, it's even worse than that, because the actual thrust was about 2,500 pounds at landing. That's less than 1 pound per square inch. Sorry, you're not cutting craters with that.
"Great cartoon just like the original 1969 cartoon"
Do you see what I mean? You know nothing about the topic. Every single word you spewed was laughably wrong. Yet, you're sooooooo confident in yourself anyway, that you know better than the entire planet's aerospace engineers.... Why? What makes you so confident? You clearly don't know a lick about rocketry. So, what would make you believe you're correct, and that the entirety of the planet's experts are incorrect?
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Dewdrop, YOU are the one that made the claim. YOU claimed it never happened. Yet, you offer ZERO evidence.
Yes, there are mountains of evidence for Apollo, such that I could write entire encyclopedias on it, and would barely scratch the surface. But, start with the obvious few:
China's Chang'e-2 orbiter, India's Chandrayaan-2 orbiter, and Arizona State University's LRO camera have all taken photos of the Apollo landing sites. They can see the landers. And, in the case of LRO and Chandrayaan, they can even see rover tracks, shadows of flags (still standing), flame deflectors, etc. Furthermore, dozens of countries (including the Soviets) tracked the Apollo missions with radar and radio telescopes. This resulted in accuracy within 1 mile.
Again, I could go on for hours. But, that's a pretty decent starter.
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More goalpost shifting by deniers. Good grief. Three different satellites orbiting the moon have cameras from India, China, and Arizona State University that have sent photographs of the landing sites. But, now, you want "live feed" to see the landing sites? Do you even know what you're asking for? These satellites are going about 3600 mph and taking these images in a fraction of a second, then those images need to be processed, compressed, and sent back to Earth. Any "live feed" couldn't possibly show the landing sites, and if they did (hypothetically), you'd only see the landers for one frame and then the orbiter will have gone right past the site. "I want to see a live feed from a race car camera to see a speck of dust on the tarmac, otherwise the speck of dust isn't there." You people shift the goalposts to the point that you're asking for things that can't happen. There is no way to demonstrate the landings to you, because you've already decided, in advance, that no amount of evidence would ever convince you. So, you set up a situation that can't actually even work, then declare that until that situation happens, you will disbelieve.
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"Notice how the Chinese moon rover, the Indian moon rover"
Huh? Those rovers are nowhere near any Apollo site. Are you under the impression that the moon is the size of college campus or something?
"and the James Webb telescope (when close to the moon) never views the Apollo landing site."
Dewdrop, when the moon is closest to the telescope, the landing sites are on the wrong side of the moon for that. Are you really that oblivious to basic geometry? I mean, there are several other reasons also why this is a ridiculous request. But, c'mon, let's start with the fact that the moon and the landing sites are facing the wrong way, and go from there.
"The recent rovers and new telescopes capture nothing of The Apollo Landings for one excuse or another."
Nowhere near the Apollo sites. The moon is facing in the wrong direction for what you're requesting. The telescopes are nowhere near large enough to capture the images you're asking for. The Webb telescope isn't designed to face the sun, and seeing what you're asking wouldn't be possible even if it was. How are these "excuses"? I mean, it's like you have an electric car, trying to stick gasoline inside, and saying it's just a pile of "excuses" that the gasoline won't make the car work. Or, it's just a bunch of "excuses" about why submarines can't fly. Or, "why can't I fit 10 gallons of milk into a pint sized container, it's just a bunch of excuses." Sorry, dewdrop, but there's a difference between "reasons" and "excuses."
"No red flags then?"
What difference would these things make anyway? The Arizona State University LRO camera has taken hundreds of photos of the Apollo landing sites from low orbit around the moon, showing rover tracks, landers, foot paths, etc., which are a 100% match for the original mission photography. None of the deniers care. Last year, both China and India released photos from their individual orbiters showing the landers. The one of Apollo 12 from India is one of the most impressive photos of the landing sites you'll ever find, showing the shadow of the flag (still standing), flame deflectors on the lander, etc. It doesn't matter to the deniers. They just conclude that China and India joined "the deception" 50+ years later. Tell me, what would these rover photos or telescope photos do to prove the moon landings to the people who refuse to accept any input? How do you get through their brick wall? There are only two rules to their game: (1) All evidence in favor of Apollo is deception, no matter how numerous or where it comes from. (2) All evidence against Apollo is valid, no matter what level of quackery produced it. How can you get someone to get past those two rules? What possible reason would you have to believe that the deniers would suddenly accept yet more evidence, if they're already rejecting the mountains of evidence we have already?
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"And today, very good fakes can be made in HD as well."
Yes, but that wouldn't be very easy to fake in 1969.
"Why didn't those astronauts leave in those missions a big mirror made of pieces like a puzzle?"
Huh? What is it about you silly deniers that makes you comment on videos without watching them? He shows the mirror array at 4:16 in the video. Yes, that "puzzle" of small mirrors reflects light back to the originator on Earth.
"We would have had proof that there really were some people there"
There are mountains of proof... tons and tons of evidence... starting with the mirror reflector arrays that you just [incorrectly] claimed that they didn't have.
"if we had sometimes seen a greater glow from the moon from the reflection of the sun in the mirror."
No, dewdrop. The corner cube mirrors point the light back in the same direction that it came. So, the light goes back toward the sun, not toward Earth. So, you don't know what you're talking about. They use powerful lasers on Earth and measure those reflections, not sunlight. There are literally dozens of laser ranging facilities around Earth, in many countries, that use those reflectors every single day.
"Was it hard?"
Is it too hard to watch the video before you comment on it?
"Now I think that robots can be sent, although they should be extremely sophisticated, and put those pieces of the mirror to create a bigger one."
Why? They have no problem hitting the mirrors right now. What purpose would there be in making bigger ones?
"Otherwise, I don't believe anything from what I see on the screens, all kinds of documentaries."
So, let me get this straight... you won't believe the moon landings happened, until they put mirrors on the moon (which they already did, but you don't know about it, because you didn't watch the video before commenting), and until they assemble a bunch of mirror fragments to make bigger mirrors (which aren't required)? Really? That's your criteria for belief or non-belief? I mean, most people base their beliefs on evidence. Not you, though. Nope. You will only believe things when they do something YOU want them to do (while remaining completely oblivious to the fact that they already did).
"Maybe someone was there after all, but I'm very reluctant."
You're reluctant to look things up before spewing nonsense everywhere. You're reluctant to watch videos before you comment on them. Yeah, dewdrop, if you want to decide whether to believe something or not, maybe you should actually learn about it first, eh?
"Sorry."
No, you're not. You enjoy the delusional notion that you know more than the entire planet's experts.
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