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Comments by "Billy Bob" (@davidrobertsemail) on "Forget politicians - here's the experts' view of a No-Deal Brexit" video.
You are conflating the sovereignty of parliament with the purpose of the referendum. The referendum was an instance where parliament gave up its right to decide on a particular issue. However after the people voted 80% of the MPs got elected on manifestos that stated they would honour the result. Then again 80% of MPs voted to leave deal or not on the 29th march. If they don’t honour the referendum, their own manifestos and the withdrawal act then they will lose the support of the public. Then it’s yellow vest time.
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wiamoaw the Labour manifesto actually didn’t say that it would keep us in the customs union. It stated it would leave the EU and honour the referendum result. I’ve just read it I suggest you do too. Staying in the customs union is not leaving the EU. Here is Corbyn even saying it. https://youtu.be/m6S9rMZOKJY Those parties that wouldn’t honour the result in their manifestos saw their votes decline. 80% of MPs (that includes Labour) voted to leave on the 29th deal or not. You may not like the result but if you believe in democracy then you should honour it.
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Daniël van Werven we are owed money from the EU not the other way around. Who paid for everything! We paid in more every single year than we got out except the year we joined! Are we going to get all our assets back?
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The reality is we voted to leave. We won you lost. Arguing 2016 over and over again is irrelevant. Leave means leave even if you wish the outcome had been different respect the vote.
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PanglossDr name the broken agreement?
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Matt OToole the head of the OECD who said it wasn’t a problem? But C4 didn’t use that clip for some reason?
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Daniël van Werven agreed upon while we were members not in perpetuity. Now we are leavings wNt our share of the assets like in any divorce. Who paid for much of everything? The UK. Our percentage of debt owed to the EU should be given back along with the structures and institutions we helped pay for. Some people think we can forgive the EU the debt for a clean break but I belong to the group that says we should get our money back before we allow access to our markets.
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wiamoaw If you were to say he parsed his words I would agree. However the Labour manifesto does not say it would remain in the customs union. Corbyn is on video saying that. He and the rest of the Labour Party were elected on that manifesto. So to recap. Promised to respect the result. Elected on a manifesto that said leave the customs union and would respect the result of the referendum. Voted for the withdrawal act whose default position was a no deal Brexit.
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wiamoaw “Advisory” Not heard that in a while.
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Volker Hett 1 in 3 cars sold in the UK is German. You make good cars :-) If you want to sell them in the UK after we leave tariff free be nice to your biggest customer.
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Ctwo First name the agreement?
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Corey Brass it’s called democracy
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TorianTammas actually the government and parliament overwhelmingly voted to leave on the 29th deal or not. No deal means we save £39 billion on day one. That’s why we don’t want a “Deal”
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Nicholas Woolfenden who said we had to join the TPP If Australia wants to continue trading with us they will. It’s likely trade will grow as we become more competitive.
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Corey Brass a tired analogy. If you don’t believe in democracy what system do you want? Communism? A dictatorship? You can be upset with the result of democracy, we all are sometimes, but respect the result.
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compendious succient as did 80% of MPs in the withdrawal act if no deal was reached. They voted for no deal as the default position.
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Ljupce Bozinovski is that a rebuttal or a typo I don’t speak emoji.
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Gordon Foster correctomondo Article 50 was signed in a dark room by an unelected Gordon Brown. No parliament can bind another it is an agreement that could have been torn up the day after the referendum. Article 50 is a delaying mechanism to stop countries from leaving.
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Robert Ruehlmann the UK has a huge deficit with the EU. We are a huge market. 1 in 3 cars sold in the UK is German. 1 in 5 of all German passenger cars are sold in the UK we are the German car markets biggest customer. We have a £70 billion deficit with the EU. We have a surplus with the US. The German car industry wants access to its biggest customer. Treat us nicely and you get to keep your jobs. We can always buy cars elsewhere. You can’t create new customers so easily.
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PanglossDr name the broken agreement?
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Muc SALTO we want to leave the club. How we are treated after is up to you. If you want to hurt both of our economies then we get hurt less as we are your customer to the tube of £70 billion a year. We are under no obligation to buy German cars.
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Khasidon if the comments are lead by critics they sometimes delete and reload to get rid of them. They do it often on their FB feed.
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Ctwo First its happened to me when I’ve led the debate a dozen times. All my likes and comments disappear to be replaced with others.
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Corey Brass so you believe in democracy when you get the result you want. I understand the frustration with losing. It happens to us all at some time. But leave did win.
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allan james parliament ceded its power on this subject and the referendum was clear. Now they have to respect the result and implement it. This is not what they have been doing for the last 3 years.
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Patrick Smith you have summed it up perfectly. Stock up on yellow vests.
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Ogallalaknowhow advisory? Like the first one? Did anyone say that they weren’t going to honour it?
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Ogallalaknowhow so which campaign said that they wouldn’t honour the result if they lost?
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Ogallalaknowhow you sound irrational. The campaigns and the result were not irrelevant. At best you are arguing on a technicality. How would that work? Please explain. Ignore the result? How would the people react? The damage to democracy aside there would be riots in the streets. Seriously what are you proposing?
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Ogallalaknowhow this parliament was elected with the two major parties promising to honour the referendum. The parties that didn’t lost voter share. You didn’t know that? Perhaps you do but don’t care. Your suggestion is riots in the street. That’s the plan you suggest.
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Ogallalaknowhow you are arguing the referendum again. It’s a common thread within your posts. You can only undo it by ignoring the result. Which is clearly what the establishment want as they want to push us into Brino. You don’t have to like the result to respect it.
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Odd C4 didn’t include a clip from the head of the OECD who recently said no deal wasn’t a problem. The world trades under WTO rules with side deals and we can too. A government whistleblower recently said the government was prepared for WTO rules but was wanted to scare people into a “Deal” or another vote.
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barryolaith wow you had to go back a bit there ;-) How about 3/4 of NATO members not paying their agreed amount year after year or China not abiding by WTO agreements or the French ignoring EU regulations.
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Muc SALTO the EU? Is that a country? Can you prove your other points?
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Muc SALTO the EU isn’t a country. The UK is German car makers biggest market. 1 on 3 cars sold in UK is German. 18% of German passenger cars made are exported to UK £70 billion trade deficit with the EU We hold all the cards for trade. If Germany wants to put 18% of their car workers out of a job that’s up to them.
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White Wolf any proof of that? Have you ever pointed out to remainers about the Rotterdam effect?
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White Wolf 28% is what you said. Prove it.
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Casper L £70 billion is a great customer to lose.
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David Jagtman the UK is the German car industry’s biggest single customer. How is that a joke. As to the need for cars....we don’t have to build every car we buy! We buy cars from all over the world. We don’t need to employ Germans to build them. The deficit is £70 billion. It’s not rocket science.
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Schiwi M we believe in democracy. The EU doesn’t.
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Schiwi M we voted to leave. Tell me who voted for the EU leaders? Can MEPs bring legislation to the “Parliament” Nope. How is the EU a democracy when there is no European demos?
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