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@timverrecchia1654 you are confusing the word Fascism with the word Nazism. They are not interchangeable. While one can likely argue all Nazi are (current day meaning) Fascist, all Fascist are certainly NOT Nazis. The USA directed coup in 2014 did place the Banderites in power, who are actually true Nazis (direct linkage). Existing Russian fascism in general is absolutely not Nazism. Not understanding history and the difference between different authoriatism branches is eg what caused the Canadian parliament to make fools of them self by honoring an actual SS Banderite Nazi that participated in ethnic cleansing.
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@RobinHarris-nf4yv you are dead wrong 1) USA has been actively sending weapons and money arming Ukraine since at least 2014, and continue to do so (until very recently, we will see after the holidays if more money and weapons are sent). USA have also actively support Ukraine with military information, targeting data, etc. This is all admitted officially by both USA and NATO. Ukraine pays for nothing, not even the salaries of their own government (all that money comes from USA). The only thing Ukraine contributes is the meat in the cannon fodder. 2) Youtube is littered with videos of Ukraine men literally being kidnapped off the streets by "militayr drafters". The only reason you dont know is if you actively try to avoid the truth. 3) The historical "3 to 1" is the minimum numbers usually needed to overwhelm a defender. It doesnt automatically transfer to 3 to 1 casualities (in fact, properly executed combined arms assaults usually see fewer casuality on the attacker side than the defender). Only clueless people confuse the 2 concepts (casualities vs numerical advantage) and think they mean the same. 4) The real issue is logistics and how to GET to the hospital. To transport a hurt Ukraine soldier all the way back to Germany, through a country where the rail and electricity grid is heavily damaged, is a LOT harder than to transport a Russian soldier through non war-torn Russian (before 2022) areas. Once a soldier actually reaches a hospital, I think the Russian and German care are both good enough to keep people alive. Its the dying on the way to the hospital that is the issue. PS I have military medical training. Severe injuries are all about packaging people to survive the transport to next in line care facilities. The more strained the resources and the longer the transportation time, the worse the outcome.
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@islandwills2778 I completely agree. I think that there is a lot of misunderstanding about this leading to people thinking Russia is severely under reporting their numbers. But Russian army was reporting Russian army losses, not their losses + everybody else on their side (DPR/LPR/etc). This is likely why there is such a big difference between eg the early UK estimates of 15000 and Russian army 6000. The 15000 is might be on the high side, but the main reason for the difference are very likely the losses of other forces like DPR & LPR. The Russian BBC numbers are likely a reasonably good true estimate of the actual Russian KIA. Unfortunately we dont have anything similar for Ukraine, but the numbers posted in this video however for sure is pure propaganda. "USA not a party to the conflict" is just not true. Its US money and military factories driving this war, and to keep the money flowing the numbers have to "look good enough" (ie Russia hurting more than Ukraine). Considering the amount of 40,50,60,70 year old men, men being force "drafted" right of the streets, increasing number of women fighters, and Zelenski trying to get all of EU to force return male refugees are surely all witness of the horribly large losses on the Ukr side, many times higher than the US numbers used in this video. The pool of young males to draw new soldiers from are literally empty when you need to use these methods for a year already. It also makes logical sense for Ukr to have much higher losses, since 80-90% of causalities in this type of warfare comes from indirect fire (mainly Artillery), where Russia has about a 10:1 advantage vs Ukraine. Add to this Ukr has mostly been attacking into prepared Russian defenses and also that Ukr very likely has much worse resources for treating hurt soldiers (eg lots of hospitals far away from a war zone), logically leading to many more Ukr soldiers dying due to lack of care than Russian. Thus I would assume the true Ukr KIA is likely around 5x the US propaganda numbers.
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@andrii.romaniuk "oryx" With the literal headline of "Attack On Europe: ..." at least I get the feeling that one should expect pretty pro Ukr bias reading that page. In any case, official Ukr tactics has literally been to preserve heavy equipment, and sacrifice infantry instead, while the Russians, having a staggering advantage in heavy equipment, has actively preferred to lose material instead of soldier lives. So if you believe the numbers on Oryx are correct, you should think about the implications that has on the number of dead and critically injured soldiers on both sides.
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@kentagent6343 no, the difference between USA/NATO and Russia, is that USA/NATO acted on unsubstantiated CLAIMS of what Serbia would do vs people in Kosovo when they wanted to become independent, while Russia actually acted on officially declared goals of the Ukrainian government and Russia still waited until those action was actually in motion before intervening, including giving Ukraine several days time to back down from those actions. On top of this, you have fallen for the west propaganda that Russia entered Ukr to take territory and imply they did so with a numerically superior force. That is untrue. Russia used less than 200k military of which only about half where actual combat units. This vs the Ukr army of 4-500.000. Being so massively outnumbered, it was clear from the very beginning that Russia didnt go in to claim territory. You simply cant hold vast areas of territory when so massively outnumbered. The claimed goals of western propaganda thus simply does not make logical sense militarily. But the stated goals by Russia actually do make sense in the context of both the size of the forces used, and what they actually did. Because when Russia was outside of Kiev, they negotiated a 3rd "Minsk" peace treaty, where Ukraine did NOT lose any territory and the Donbas would still be a part of Ukraine but with some self determination (just like the previous, UN ratified, France and Germany guaranteed, Minsk agreement stipulated). Only after Ukr governmet, first signing the drafts of the "3rd Minsk peace agreement", and then rejecting that treaty after Russia had in good faith pulled back from Kiev, did the Russian agenda change. This is when Russia pulled back to defensive lines, annexed the 4 new territories, truly started destroying Ukr infrastructure and also mobilized the troops to be able to perform a takeover of land. The western propaganda will likely never admit that this is the order of what actually happened, but the signed draft treaties has been shown to many international leaders, and Ukraine has also confirmed that they did sign them initially but later withdrew from exactly that agreement. Also, International law doesnt give any regard about your own personal biases and Russofobia. As long as you dont demand that Kosovo should be returned to Serbia and USA & NATO should appear in international court standing trial for their war crimes, you do not have any moral grounds to stand on in the Ukr-Russia situation.
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@Klote3241 yes, that is what happens when a corrupt government breaks peace deals 3 times and implement a law forbidding negotiations with Russia. If they wanted to keep their areas, they could have just followed Minsk 1, Minsk 2 or even "Minsk 3". Forcing Russia to go for a full unconditional surrender of Ukr wasnt very smart. As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The latest 4 oblasts lost will not be the last oblasts Ukraine loses.
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@kentagent6343 Russias invasion of Ukr is NOT unlawful. They are following exactly the same international laws USA & NATO used to attack Serbia during the Kosovo debacle. International law applies EQUALLY, to EVERYBODY, ie USA & NATO does not have special rights, even if the propaganda you listen to might have fooled you to believe this.
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@HighFlyer96 before the 2014 coup there was reasonably balanced government, allowing Ukr to have good relations with both EU and Russia. That didnt create a large people demand for changing of borders, and Russia also actively turned down suggestions of changes to the borders from 1991-2014. But the US instigated coup in 2014 and the following racist/ethinc cleanings laws implemented by the people USA put in charge changed both those things. Also, people in Ukraine voted the current president into office on the main promise that he would end the wars and implement the UN ratified, France and German guaranteed, Minsk 2 peace treaty. If that was a calculated lie by Zelensky from the start, or if the Nazi forces put in place by USA forced Zelensky to change the plan, I cant tell, but in November 2021 Zel for sure betrayed the Ukrainian people that had elected him by declaring the direct opposite to the promise. Ie instead of following the peace agreement, he announced to the world that Donbas would be forcibly retaken by the military. If you do not understand that such an utter betrayal of the populations wishes, with the dier consequences of huge loss of life, would massively affect people desire to split away from the Kiev regime, then you have a problem with realizing objective reality. "Russia has been a safe haven for NAZIs, " That is not the case. In fact the Banderites after WW2 was incorporated into CIA culvert operations to fight/destabilize the Soviet union. Many of these Nazis where later moved to USA and Canada as "thanks for their services". That is why you in USA can find statutes of Stephan Banderas with yearly commemoration events with the old Banderite Naziz dressing upp in full Nazi uniforms. That is also how literal Banderite SS Nazis can end up in Canadas governmen and celebrated as a "War Hero". And that is not the only such "war hero" that has gotten medals in Canada. "2014 was not a NAZI coup" Yes it was. There are literally recordings of Victoria Nuland on the phone discussing the the US Ukr ambassador who they should place in charge after the coup, recorded BEFORE the coup happened. So the evidence is clear, USA instigated that coup, and as per usual USA found the most disgusting people locally to put in a place of power. They have done this in many other places in the world as well. Eg US has elevated to power by sending money, weapons and trainers not only to the Ukr Naziz but among others ISIS, Al Quada, Contras, etc, etc. That is how they instigate wars everywhere, which feeds billions of USD into their Military Industrial Complex, a deliberate practice exposed by eg Julian Assange.
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@RobinHarris-nf4yv how is the healthcarecosts, measured in USD, at all relevant for dying before you reach the hospital? Distance frontline to Russian pre 2022 areas 100km. Distance frontline to Germany 2000km. And the side with the lower distance is the one that has air superiority and can freely send people eg by plane... while the side with 20x longer distance cant. Its like you dont even grasp the basics.
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@why9648 No, attacker doesnt always have higher causalities. They do however if attacking into well prepared defenses, without air superiority and without local 3-5x number superiority. Are you familiar with which side has been doing a spring-summer-autumn offensive, under exactly these conditions? Here is a clue if you are confused https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjMr3RZ8Ss
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@timverrecchia1654 I think its quite funny how you inadvertently contradict yourself. "So they evolved separately until Ukraine was incorporated into the Russian empire" & "Galicia-Volhynia, which claims to be the succssor of the Kievan Rus survived and didn't fall until the 14th century." The areas that was incorporated into Russia (by the areas own free will btw) did not include the Galicia-Volhynia areas (that happened much later in modern time). So you are literally saying that the areas around Kiev and everything east and south of there shouldnt actually belong to Ukraine and only western Ukraine should be Ukraine, and Ukraine is the wrong name anyway, eg Galicia would be more representative. Especially as Ukraine is a Russian centric word for the area to begin with. Funnily this is about the same thing Putin sais, ie west Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia. And the way the war is going, in combination of the Kiev regimes refusal to negotiate, we might in the end very well end up with a Galicia/West Ukraine to the west of a straight line between Moldova and Belarus, and everything East of that line belonging or being under the influence of Russia. Meanwhile, since you keep bringing up absurd nonsense like countries stealing stuff, isnt it about time Ukraine gives back the Yellow and Blue from their flag to Sweden, from where they stole it? After all, before that you are just the pot calling the kettle black.
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@jenkem4464 You are very mistaken. USA has a huge list of coups instigated from all over the world ever since WW2 ended. Even in Ukraine USA has manufactured no less than 2 coups in the last 20 years (2004 and 2014).
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@jenkem4464 For starters Ukraine is a COUNTRY, not a CAPITAL. And even the very name Ukraine is a clear Moscow centric name for the area. And Kiev has belonged to Russian empire since 1667 until the split of SSSR 1991. Before that it was under the control of other nations for about 400 years. A Kievan Rus country in the area of Kiev hasnt existed for about 800 years. Funny how its always the most racist people that needs to go back 800+ years in history to find reasons to support their present day ethnic cleansing agenda.
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@ЗлобныйПлебей had google translate what your wrote, so sorry if I misunderstood something. But... you are wrong. The vast majority of countries in the world does not support Ukraine. It's only USA and their western hang-arounds (ie EU/NATO + Japan, S Korea, Australia & NZ) that support Ukraine, following the orders of USA. Basically everybody else (80% of the worlds population) are on the scale neutral to pro Russia in this conflict. That is also why the economic sanctions put out by EU has not hurt Russia much but very heavily has damaged EU itself. As for how much of the yearly budget NATO uses to fight Russia, well, it's actually pretty embarrassing for NATO. Russia is beating the entire NATO effort without even having had to switch to a wartime economy. Russia, year-over-year, dont even run at a deficit and the entire economy is growing, meanwhile US and EU economy is close to or already in recession and EU + USA have neither the money, not the production capacity, to together match Russia military production. Even US government itself have for many months admitted to have run out of ammunition for artillery etc. The entire thing is pretty humiliating to especially USA, which is why Ukraine will lose more and more media focus and will get less and less money and other support as well. This is already happening, in case you didnt notice the obvious.
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@kentagent6343 at least that would hold SOME (but not much) historical relevance. The 1991 Ukraine borders had absolutely no relevance historically. In fact the vast majority (70-90%) of the 1991 border areas has never even historically belonged to something that could be called Ukraine.
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@jdools4744 actually you are wrong. Russia-Kiev war is a direct continuation of the Donbass-Kiev wars, escalated by KIEV by its attacks starting 16th Feb 22. Donbas then asked for assistance, a military defensive alliance was signed, and Russia entered the war on 23rd Feb 22 on the Donbas side since Ukraine continued its attacks on Donbas. Russia followed the same international laws that USA/NATO used in their attacks vs Serbia regarding Kosovo.
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@alexx3617 no, you got the timeline messed up. Crimea was annexed only after USA had performed their 2014 coup in Kiev.
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@rockmcdwayne1710 so mortars and artillery firing does in your opinion not qualify as a war? Interesting... Where do you live, where usage of heavy military weaponry is a regular day event?
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@skica77 funny how you cant even refute anything, just resort to namecalling...
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@shannonroberts5080 how do you see nationality on a video, usually even without sound? In any case, stealing people of the streets are commonplace also in the Ukr areas with Hungarian minorities. This, and general racist laws and attitudes, by Ukraine vs the ethic Hungarians are well know in Hungary and is also a main reason why the Hungarian leadership has so bad relations with Ukr.
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@ninaquero "Pity you misunderstand history: Novgorod then, was a city of the RUS, a SCANDINAVIAN people, there were NO RUSSIA yet, and hence, no RUSSIANS ( a SLAVIC people) yet." You probably should not talk about history, when you are completely clueless. The leaders of the RUS was indeed Scandinavian vikings, but the vast majority of actual people living in these areas was absolutely not Scandinavian. The 1-10% ruling elite of an area does not magically change the ethnicity of the local population. That is the same wheather you look at the Novgorod area, Normandy area och English areas, all at times ruled by a MINORITY of Scandinavian vikings.
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@ИванЮрченко-ф2з "who Bandera was, a nazist, fascist or nationalist? " Thats a trick question, because Bandera was all 3, ie a racist nationalist (literally the definition of a Nazist) enforcing ethinc cleansing via mass murder of civilians. Sane people dont have much problem with the nationalist part of his ideas, its the active murder of civilians and the Nazi ideology that is the problem. One has to be pretty low IQ to not understand this. For the record, Hitler was also a nationalist. Just like Bandera, the problem wasnt the nationalism, but the racist massmurdering addition to the nationalism.
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@Jo-Jo8vs Consider the amount of 40,50,60,70 year old men, men being force "drafted" right of the streets, increasing number of women fighters, and Zelenski trying to get all of EU to force return male refugees are surely all witness of the horribly large losses on the Ukr side, many times higher than the US numbers used in this video. The pool of young males to draw new soldiers from are literally empty when you need to use these methods for a year already. It also makes logical sense for Ukr to have much higher losses, since 80-90% of causalities in this type of warfare comes from indirect fire (mainly Artillery), where Russia has about a 10:1 advantage vs Ukraine. Add to this Ukr has mostly been attacking into prepared Russian defenses and also that Ukr very likely has much worse resources for treating hurt soldiers (eg lots of hospitals far away from a war zone), logically leading to many more Ukr soldiers dying due to lack of care than Russian. Thus I would assume the true Ukr KIA is likely around 5x the US propaganda numbers.
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@AlexA-pc7hy why are you lying about what happened? In November 21 Zelensky officially declared that Ukr would outright break the Minsk 2 peace agreement and by military force retake Donbas. 16 Feb 22 that invasion started, by massive (x10-20) increase of artillery fire Ukr vs Donbas. This are undeniable facts that are documented and can be read in the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) Daily Reports. So Ukr started the massive escalation of the war and Russia only entered the war 1 week later when Ukr refused to stop their massive attack vs Donbas, thus giving the Ukraine regime plenty of time to stop the aggression. Since Ukr didnt stop, Russia joined the war following the exact same international laws that USA and NATO used to attack Serbia in 1999, when Kosovo wanted to break free. So we literally have the Kiev regime breaking UN ratified, France and Germany guaranteed, peace agreement, and Russia following international law and joining on Donbas side via their military defensive alliance. And the dehumanization is clearly happening from the Ukr side, calling Russians orks etc. Meanwhile even war propaganda movies from Russia talk about Ukr as a brother people.
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@islandwills2778 I think its the strong US propaganda in combination with social media causing way to many people today to have a lack of ability for critical thinking. During eg covid "doing your own research" ie READ yourself what research papers actually said, was literally turned into something to mock people for. This normally would be the basis for all science. So, with massive economic interests pushing for this war (the US Military Industrial Complex, bribing almost all US politicians, as exposed by Assange) there has been a need to promote this war to look to be going a lot better for Ukraine than it actually has. This to keep the politicians to vote for keeping the billions of USD rolling. This in turn has necessitated massive squing of the numbers to "show how much damage we are doing to Russia". At the same time the propaganda has been pushing how completely inept the Russian military is, not capable of doing anything, while at the same time pushing the propaganda how Russia has to be stopped now, or they will take over entire Europe. Unfortunately most people dont use their brains enough to realize these two things are literally mutually exclusive. I sadly still have no reason to change the prediction Ive had since the 2022 events started unfolding, that Ukraine is on the path of total destruction, with neither the manpower nor economic realities to get back on its feet for at least 100 years. USA simply does not have a good track record of taking care of their proxy war nations, after the US have used them up and lose their interest.
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@ginseng2005 Im not unsure at all about 2014 and after. What I am unsure about is how much culvert CIA money and weapons was sent before the 2014 coup. In fact US president Trump was impeached 2 times during his 4 years, the first time literally being for halting the monthly money and weapon shipments to Ukraine (do google if you are clueless). It was a pretty big international event. The reason was trying to force Ukraine to investigate the Biden familys corruption ties in Ukraine, and the US military industrial complex did not appreciate the blocking of the money and weapons shipments. So you are massively misinformed if you imagine "it was just a few javelins". USA literally built up the entire Ukrainian 400.000 strong army between 2015-2021. Money, weapons and instructors. Even US congressmen were visiting the troops in Ukraine making speeches to the Ukrainian troops of how now soon they where ready to fight the Russians. This was back around 2017/2018. Also, Ukraine did not "beat back the Russians from Kiev". Russia voluntarily left, as a good faith gesture part of the peace negotiations taking place, the preliminary documents singed by both parties in 2022. After Russia pulled back from Kiev Ukraine leadership pulled out of the deal. The deal was basically the same Minsk 1 & 2 that Ukraine had already broken 2 times, and after this 3rd breach on the same peace agreement, Russia had had enough of Ukraine breaking peace agreements and Russia then went on to annex the 4 held areas and switched to the current attrition warefare. Next peace agreement will not be about "limited self determination for Donbass within Ukraine borders" but about how many more areas Russia will annex ontop of the 4 they currently already have annexed, and if there will be a state government left in Kiev at all.
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@mytiliss682 I am not the person trying to argue that Ukr has few dead per causality, in fact I suspect the complete opposite. The moronic idea that because people can be sent to Germany, fewer die on the Ukr side, is exactly what I argue against.
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@mytiliss682 ?? I suspect you bumped into some bad translation. Below is my original argument, that others said was wrong due to nonsense about German hospitals. "..also that Ukr very likely has much worse resources for treating hurt soldiers... ...logically leading to many more Ukr soldiers dying due to lack of care than Russian."
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@why9648 the difference is that when Russia attacks they do it with complete air supremacy and overwhelming artillery advantage. That is actually a potentially working scenario to attack under. Its absolutely horrible how the leadership in Kiev has allowed themself to get rich from US bribes by sending so many Ukrainian soldiers forward as pure cannon fodder. Sadly, your biggest enemy is your own government.
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@Mad_Dog_of_the_Regime Ukrainians genrally didnt bring it on themselves. Their corrupt government brought it onto their own population, while getting rich from bribes. This distinction is important.
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@RyedaleAirsoft what do you mean? 2-3 days ago they had the largest strike sofar in the war, and then again the 1-2 days later there was a massive attack, including bombing the Nazi/Banderite Museum and Banseras previous school (political point strikes, who the fuck even has official pro Nazi museums? Ah yeah, Ukraine). And noone can currently shoot down hypersonics, least of all Ukraine. Thats just a bunch of massive copium & propaganda. You seriously need to calibrate your BS filters if you believe statesmen saying "we shot down all the hypersonic missiles", or someone will sell you a bridge. In fact, USA doesnt even have hypersonics, let alone a system that can reliably shoot it down. And if the USA would have, it would be latest spec super secretive stuff, that absolutely would not be sent to the losing side of a war, when the new tech can fall into Russian hands at any moment.
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USA on average militarily attacks/invades 3-5 countries per year, for the last 50 years or so. Most of them doesnt even get much mention in western media to begin with. The US propaganda focus on Ukrain is diminishing now, because it is by now clear that US proxy Ukraine will suffer a total defeat. But with US elections coming up, Biden would like people to forget their disastrous proxywar as soon as possible. After all, if an anti war candidate would win in the USA, how would the Military industrial complex make the same amount of money the next 4 years?
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@avreliyfivas265 you can start with the list that Victoria Nuland is recorded on phone telling the then US ambassador in Ukraine of who the new government should consist of about 1 month before the 2014 USA sponsored coup. Add to that all the politicians, military leaders, police, etc, that has their offices "decorated" with pictures of Stephan Banderas (equal to German officials having pictures of Hitler on their walls). Next you can google cemetery pictures where not just the Yellow and Blue flag is present, but also the "same" flag in Red and Black. That is the flag of the Banderites, ie the Ukrain Nazis that during WW2 massakered >100.000 civilian Polish, Jews, Hungarians, Russians in the areas of western Ukraine. Especially the cemeteries in western Ukraine is littered with this Nazi flag.
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@wishusknight3009 everything I wrote is actual facts. And you didnt actually refute a single one. Just low IQ namecalling.
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@timverrecchia1654 "And [Afganistan] they didn't kick out the US, the US withdrew." Yes, as always, USA withdraws when they have stolen enough resources and dont think the costs for staying is worth it. Then they desert their local proxy and leave them to fight (ie die) alone. US-Ukraine relationship seems to have reached this stage now. This was the predicted pattern since this is how USA has acted for the last 50 years. Its just horrible too see yet another nations inhabitants suffer due to their corrupt leaders sacrificing their people while the corrupt leaders get rich from US blood money. "The most active parts of the frontline currently... ...Russians are attacking heavily fortified and defended positions" True. But Russia has both complete air superiority and a massive advantage in artillery. The 2 things you need to have to actually attack defended positions. This was completely missing during Ukraines spring-summer-autumn offensive, and after only 10 days the western tanks & APCs had reached horrible levels of losses (40%) and then Ukraine started with the human meat wave tactics you wrongly attribute to the Russian side. Links are difficult to share here, but you can search on youtube for eg the Austian militarys analysis (surely even you should grasp that Austrian military is not "Putin propaganda"). Search for "Unser heer" and the "Ukraine offensive has failed" video if you want to start deprogram the propaganda you have listened to sofar. Or if you want to continue living in fantasy world, and listen to US/Urk propaganda, feel free to ignore. Some people prefer being lied to than to think for them selves. "[How Russia has] not incurred tremendous casualties " They have. The BBC-Mediazona numbers talk about 90.000ish KIA. Those are huge numbers. The problem for Ukraine is that they have taken about 5x more KIA, due to the Russian deliberate attrition warefare and Ukraines need to do stupid stuff, like attack with meat waves into Russian defenses just to please USA&Nato and to keep the money flowing in. But Ukraine is running out of meat, and thus the money rivers from the west is beginning to get shut down. "in Ukraine... ...your leader is democratically elected" Democracy? No such thing i Ukraine. USA have instigated no less than 2 coups in Ukraine in the last 20 years (2004 and 2014) and the current president was literally elected by the people since he PROMISED to finally implement the Minsk 2 agreements, to end the wars. Yet November 2021 he did the direct opposite and officially declared that Ukraine would breach the peace agreement and with military retake Donbas. This is clearly not the wish of the Ukrainian people, but the wishes of Elenskies US&NATO masters, and has nothing to do with Democracy.
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@danield.3408 "Crimea wasn't currently under oppression by Ukraine" True, but all other historical Russian areas that wasn't protected by Russia (Odessa, Donbass, etc) became oppressed (same in other areas with other nationalities). So ironically you logically advocate that Russia should have attacked already 2014 instead of waiting until Ukraine's final outright breach of Minsk 2 in 2022. But sure, if Putin would have known the treacherous plans by the west to abuse UN ratified peace treaties, even guaranteed by France and Germany, as a lie only to give time to build up Ukraine's army for an attack, then likely Russia would have put a more general stop to the oppression before it started already back in 2014. "...states that were anti-Kosovo because of their current predicaments with minority secession movements..." Yes, countries with actual IRL familiarity of internal forces trying to create splits, did rightly point out that Kosovo was opening a can of worms with potential horrible outcomes all over the world. True to USA regular arrogance, they didnt care to listen, but smashed that can right open. They also put on display for all the world to see that NATO was not the "defensive alliance" it had been masquerading as before, but an aggressive attacking military organization obeying Washington's commands. Ironically for Ukraine, the Kosovo situation also invalidates all of Ukraine's borders, since the 1991 Ukraine borders has absolutely nothing to do with historical regions of what could be attributed to something called Ukraine. So the Kosovo example would validate at least 80-90% of Ukrainian areas to seek and get full independence from Kiev, even though military assistance of a strong external military. All due to US arrogance. "Stepan Bandera wasn't a good person but it is understandable how they'd have the leader of their independence movement put up in a statue." Correction: "independence" movement based on Nazi ideology with heavy weight on RACISM and ETHNIC CLEANSING by MURDER of civilians. It is completely inexcusable for Ukraine officials to idealize Stephan Banderas, and it has nothing to do with a fight for independence, but everything to do with the MURDER, RACISM & ETHNIC CLEANSING he stood for. Your anecdotal nonsense of Russians holding Nazi flags are just laughable compared to the MASSIVE amount of Nazi signs and flags all over Ukraine, even video footage of Ukrain people and children doing the Sieg heil arm movements. For beginners just start googling military cemetery pictures, especially in west Ukraine its common place to see almost as many Red/Black Nazi Banderite flags as the Blue/Yellow. For every Russian holding a Nazi flag you can find (planted or not), there are literally 10.000 Nazi Banderite flags "proudly" flown by Ukrainians.
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@rockmcdwayne1710 you have a very "convenient" gap in your timeline. In November 2021 Zelensky officially announced that Ukr would fully break Minsk 2 peace treaty and the army would by force retake the Donbas area. Ukr then amassed near 200.000 soldiers on the border to Donbas and on Feb 16 Ukr started with dayly massive artillery bombardments, ie exactly what you begin with before you make assaults on prepared defenses. 1 week of massive artillery bombardment later, Russia entered the war on the Donbas side, upon the official request of the Donbas governments. You can google the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) Daily Reports and see yourself how the shelling Ukr -> Donbas from Feb 16 increase 10-20x and how it continues for the next days, before Russia even enter the war. Whatever propaganda you have been listening to, Ukraine started this escalation of the war, and the public records from official EU organizations show it.
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@Klote3241 Putin literally warned the US president (IIRC) 2009, that if the US again (yes, again) interferes in Ukraine with a state coup, they will take back Crimea. USA thought Russia was bluffing, so they tried again 2014. Russia was not bluffing. And also remember, this is in the light of USA/NATO breaking the 1991 agreement of "No expansion East of East Germany". How many times have USA/NATO broken that agreement in the last 33 years? Russia complained for many years, but USA/NATO kept breaking the agreement and expanding, until Russia finally drew a line in the sand (Georgia and Ukraine). Yet USA/NATO still keep pushing their expansion... List of US/NATO breaches of agreements between 1991 and 2014 * Czech Republic -> NATO * Hungary -> NATO * Poland -> NATO * Bulgaria -> NATO * Estonia -> NATO * Latvia -> NATO * Lithuania -> NATO * Romania -> NATO * Slovakia -> NATO * Slovenia -> NATO * Albania -> NATO * Croatia -> NATO * State coup in Ukraine 2004 * State coup in Ukraine 2014 * Trying to get Ukraine to join NATO * Trying to get Georgia to join NATO * Arming, training and convincing Georgia to attack Russian peace keepers in Georgia. And after this some low IQ people thinks its Russia that doesnt keep agreements when they have finally had enough and USA/NATO keep pushing and passing the outspoken red lines.
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@muller1424 1) The Banderites are not Neo Nazis, but original Nazis with direct links & heritage back to the WW2. 2) The Ukrainian Nazis are not strong because they are the majority of the people in Ukraine. The Nazis are strong because USA since before 2014 supports them with a) Money b) Weapons c) Military training and also d) They are willing to use violence, up to and including murder, to get their way 3) Zelenskyy not only advocated for a peaceful solution, he promised that he would implement Minsk 2. Yet when he came to power he did not keep his promise to the people, but he actually went 180 degrees in the opposite direction and officially announced that he would break Minsk 2 outright and by military force retake the Donbas areas. This massive betrayal of his promise to 75% of the Ukrainian people I leave up to you to decide if you think it was his plan all along (lie to get elected) or if he was forced by the Banderiate Nazis (eg by death-threats). I have no way of knowing which, but clearly the Ukrainian people wanted peace but their own government they had elected betrayed them and escalated the war instead. 4) "slogan Language - Army - Religion scored 25%" actually does not support your claims that there are near 0 Nazis in Ukraine, if anything the opposite. The laws forbidding the use of other languages than Ukrainian, especially in a country were this is a minority language, are clearly not signs of democratic values, but of authoritarian/racist/ethnic-cleanings tendencies. 5) Banderites are the people who worship Stepan Bandera, putting up statues to his honor, keeping pictures in their offices of him, proudly waving the Nazi Banderite red & black flag, etc. These things have increased a lot since the Nazis took control of the country with the help of USA back 2014.
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@dannydetonator exactly what of what Wolf sais do you consider to be racist? Because Nazi = racist, not racist = not Nazi. Or do you just not understand what the word Nazi stands for?
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@СнежныйДжони if you worship Bandera, have his picture on the wall and wave the red/black flag, you are a Nazi. You can try to confuse the issue as much as you want, it wont change the fact. And the amount of high ranking officials in Ukraine with Bandera pictures in their offices are staggering.
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@insanity693 why post links when you are clearly pushing nonsense? What you call Keivan Rus fell apart into 15ish small feudal parts already 100 years before the Mongols even showed up, not after the Mongols left/were defeated.
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@VladislavKrotikov the agreement was signed in 1991, but then USA/NATO in 1999 bombed Serbia to force it to allow Kosovo to split away and become a country, setting the president that external forces in some cases are legally allowed to intervene inside other states matters and force changes of borders. Many countries were very upset, even some EU & NATO countries, but USA didnt give a shit. After the USA "sponsored" coup in Ukraine in 2004 Putin literally warned the US president (IIRC in 2009) that if USA ever again performed a coup in Ukraine Russia would take back Crimea to ensure control of Sevastapol, that has continuously (even during Ukraine "ownership") been a military harbor for Russia since about 1793. However USA Neocons arrogance and war mongering has no limits, and thus they did another state coup in Ukraine in 2014, at which time Putin held his outspoken, on official record, promise to the USA, and took back Crimea. Turning Sevastapol into a NATO military harbor was geopoliticaly not something Russia would ever agree to, and EVERYBODY knew this, USA still pushed the issue. US Military Industrial Complex needs US government to constantly push for war all over the world, otherwise their earnings might be affected. The details of how the MIC bribes the US government to push for war was exposed (actual documents) by Julian Assange 15-20 years ago. Now you know what actually happened and why millions of Ukrainians are dead (not to mention the many more millions of people from Syria, Yemen, Iraq, etc, etc). Some people in the USA are earning lots of money on all these people dying. Happy new year...
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@insanity693 ok, this is a quote from Wikipedia, which completely invalidates your claims. "The last ruler to maintain a united state was Mstislav the Great. After his death in 1132, the Kievan Rus' fell into recession and a rapid decline, and Mstislav's successor Yaropolk II of Kiev, instead of focusing on the external threat of the Cumans, was embroiled in conflicts with the growing power of the Novgorod Republic. In March 1169, a coalition of native princes led by Andrei Bogolyubsky of Vladimir sacked Kiev.[137] This changed the perception of Kiev and was evidence of the fragmentation of the Kievan Rus'.[138] By the end of the 12th century, the Kievan state fragmented even further, into roughly twelve different principalities.[139]"
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@maianoguillaume Are you a complete loon that has no clue what so ever about history? The mess in Georgia is very similar to the one in Ukraine. After the SSSR fell apart suddenly areas belonged to countries that was never in history areas in that country. Georgia eg suddenly consisted of several areas/countries that had joined the Russian empire at different times, and many of them where old enemies that had been fighting each other for centuries before joining Russia. So it was no surprise at all that "Georgia" almost instantly broke out in civil war. It had absolutely nothing to do with "Russian Oligarchs", because those Oligarchs didnt even exist yet back then. In fact, exactly the same has happened in other areas, outside of Russia, that in an unnatural way found several historical nations pressed into the same new country. Just look at the mess in Yugoslavia (today split into 7!! different countries). Or, basically the entire African continent. Why the heck do people that are completely clueless about history post their own imagined ignorant BS. Pick up a frigging entry level history book before writing idiotic stuff.
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@МихайлоКузнецов-ж7щ actually you are the liar. There definitely was a coup. In fact you can literally find on Youtube the recordings of when USAs Victoria Nuland is planning the coup before it happens, literally selecting which people should be in the new government. It became a scandal in the news because during the phonecall she also sais "Fuck the EU". This upset EU and USA government literally had to apologize to EU for Victoria saying this.
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@ayararesara6253 " Russian troops were in Crimea and they crossed eastern border in 2014 too" Actually, Russian troops were in Crimea already in 2013. In fact there has been Russian military in Crimea ever since 1783, since Sevastapol has been a Russian military harbor, continuously, for the last 240 years. Why dont you turn off the propaganda you listen to and pick up an actual history book? The US sponsored nazi coup of 2014 is a well know fact. Literally the tape of Victoria Nuland on the phone with the US ambassador in Ukr planning the coup before it happened was leaked many years ago. You can find it right here on youtube. USA even confirmed its authenticity, by apologizing to the EU for V. Nuland in that recording saying "Fuck the EU".
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@hamptonwickster what is the point of forgiving, when its entirely based on lies? Better to educate than forgive. The ones starting the aggressive war was the Kiev regime. In November 21 Zelensky officially stated that Ukraine would break the UN ratified, Germany and France guaranteed, Minsk 2 peace agreement and retake Donbas by military force. They then moved many hundred thousands of NATO trained and equipped troops to the border, and on 16th Feb 22 they started a heavy artillery campaign shelling the Donbas areas. You can google the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) Daily Reports that clearly document what Ukraine was doing vs Donbas 16-23 Feb 22, increasing the daily artillery fire vs Donbas 10-20x. The actual truth is documented and readily available. Russia only entered the war after 1 week of Ukraines aggressive military campaign vs Donbas, after they had signed a defensive military alliance with Donbas and leaving Ukraine plenty of time to stop with the aggressive bombardment. Only after Ukraine refused to back down did Russia honor the military defensive alliance with Donbas and joined the war using exactly the same international laws that USA and NATO used to force the SOVERIGN COUNRTY Serbia to let Kosovo become independent in 1999.
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