Comments by "King Orange" (@kingorange7739) on "Inside the anti-abortion movement as Roe v. Wade stands on the brink | ABCNL" video.

What kind of argument is this lol?
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LOL, as if killing a human baby is a right.
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I mean most can. Or at the very least if sex is done we accept the risks and responsibilities that go with it
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@denniswakabayashi4199 There is nothing difficult about accepting the fact that yes, already existing human beings do die before going to term. Just as before modern technology helped solve this issue fatalities for newborns use to be high. Most baby turtles die before making it to the water, but I doubt we would say they aren't valid living beings.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 I mean like I said. Sea turtles get killed in mass numbers as well. Doesn’t change the validity of the life. Yes I believe all human zygotes are human beings. Given that human life begins at conception. I really don’t see what’s complicated about that
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@denniswakabayashi4199 once again not all believe in not putting criminal charges on the woman if she acts on her own valuation. And I believe you misjudge why many pro lifers don’t advocate for criminal charges on the mother. A. By focusing on doctors it helps address the abortion problem within its most common source and B. The point of the movement is to preserve the life of the child, not to simply punish the mother. Just because red states haven’t automatically done it doesn’t mean there aren’t pro lifers that advocate for it. However there have obviously been debates to what degree it should be done.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 um no they don’t bud. Nice try attempting to gaslight the movement based on your preconceived notions. Again the topic of whether or not women should be punished has been a debate within the movement itself. I already explained the reasoning previously.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 Also taking extreme measures is us advocating for the punishment. Again, ending Abortion is about trying to preserve the life of the child. Not see how many mothers we can send to jail. The fact you don’t understand that is honestly laughable. Anyways I’m done further discussing this with you. It’s clear no matter what I do to explain this basic logic, your not going to change your mind. I would only suggest doing more research if nothing else about the actual stances of where pro lifers are.
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That’s a 2 way street honey
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@PackBrewBadgeWI4 I don't care what women do until it involves murdering the life of an unborn child.
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Far from it. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. If one wants another dead, they will try to find whatever method to do it often. Of course if we gave schools better security this wouldn’t be an issue.
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@kaylw8013 you realize most schools have now incorporated cops there and as I mentioned I’m an advocate of emergency weapons for staff and teachers to arm themselves
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@denniswakabayashi4199 once again. Do you not think complications wouldn’t arise? Of course they would. Miscarriages happen and they are regrettable. There even many mothers who will mourn after a miscarriage, but I don’t think it takes much to tell the difference between losing a life and taking a life
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@denniswakabayashi4199 I’m not going to answer questions I don’t fully know bud. I’m not going to pretend to fully know God’s design. But yes, many human beings get killed before making it to term
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@denniswakabayashi4199 short answer, yes. Also what do you mean not all zygotes are human beings? It’s not selective, it either is or isn’t.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 "Science says the zygote/early embryo cannot be a human being because of ability to twin and ability to create chimeras." - It's ability to split doesn't make one less human, I mean when you get identical twins, neither are less human over a chromosome split. "Don't identical twins start human development at the zygotic stage like everyone else?" - Yes. "Since identical twins come from the same zygote; THEN how can the zygote already be a one of a kind individual human being?" - Because it ended up splitting into forming two. Basically the closest you get to cloning. "If the embryo is already a human being; THEN what happened to the human being after splitting into 2 embryos like identical twins? Did the human being die after twinning? Did the human being disappear after twinning?" - Um no on either count. Again it splits and duplicates into two, again comparable to cloning. "Science mock those who believe the zygote is already a human being." - Not even slightly.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 Yes the death rate for turtles are high. Doesn't mean they aren't turtles. The same way if humanity have a high death rate, it does not make them invalid as humans.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 "Doesn't change the validity of life." "We are not discussing "validity of life" and whatever connotations would apply, BUT is the conception already a human being?" - Which it is. "Human zygotes are human beings" "Your belief is so warped you cannot even admit to your warped dogma." - How so? "If a human zygote is a human being then most people will be killed off before being born when looking at the high rate of spontaneous abortion. Very disingenuous very deceptive of Pro Life preachers who spout off the conception is a human being BUT omit the part about most people killed off before being born." - How is that disingenuous? That is like saying it is disingenuous to be against murder just because many die to cancer. "You have adopted an unsound warped theological belief that God designed the human reproductive process where most people will be killed off before being born." - Once again, I stated I was not going to pretend to know. Also to note, if someone isn't religious, this argument isn't even relevant.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 The fact you are not understanding the equivalence is either suggesting that you are failing to think the argumentation through or your being disingenuous. Again take cancer, there is a high rate of people dying from it. Doesn’t change that they are living human beings. Just like a Zygote. Trying to argue that many die is not an actual scientific argument against them being valid human beings. Many turtles die before making it to the water, they are still turtles. Many plants get eaten early on, they are still plants. Old men and women die of cancer, they are still old men and women. Your argument is extremely intellectually dishonest, and considering you are failing to actually explain the logic and addressing comparisons just shows me you are trying pray on an emotional response rather than addressing this Intellectually. Again, something dying at a high rate does not change that it is a living being. And a Zygote scientifically speaking is the earliest stage of a human being’s development. I don’t know how this is difficult for you to understand
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@denniswakabayashi4199 once again a death rate doesn’t invalidate them as living beings. Otherwise by that logic, the Jews must not have been actual human beings since they died in mass numbers during the Holocaust
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@denniswakabayashi4199 Once again, where are you going with this? How does this connect to your abortion argument in any meaningful way?
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@denniswakabayashi4199 ok again, you have proven no scientific of how or why it isn’t a human being. Again all science will tell you is life and a human being’s earliest Development begins at conception. So again, how is this in any way shape or form disproven. At this point you’re beginning to just project instead of discuss
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@denniswakabayashi4199 once again the creation of twins doesn’t change the already existence of a human being. When a zygote splits to create an identical twin, it is forming a genetic duplicate. As mentioned comparable to cloning. Yet even clones are regarding as valid living beings of that species
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@denniswakabayashi4199 also devolving your argument into a “No You” is beyond ridiculous. Again the capacity of a genetic code splitting into an identical one doesn’t change the existence of that living being
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@denniswakabayashi4199 Also not all pro life calls for exclusive punishment on the doctors. And no they don’t acknowledge anything on those lines. The movement literally stands against that. 🤦‍♂️
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@denniswakabayashi4199 the man who wants to rape will rape, the child who wants to steal will steal. See the problem with that fallacy? You could apply that to anything. If your seriously arguing that there shouldn’t be an anti abortion law or overturning roe vs Wade under the ground that some will still abort. You wouldn’t be able to fight for the existence of any law. As every law in human history will have some who break it. 🤦‍♂️
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@denniswakabayashi4199 the fact you try to place misjudgment based upon the pro life movement trying not to take the most extreme measures shows how disingenuous you are being. Not surprising though considering you believe that the capacity to split into a twin somehow disqualifies a zygote from being a human being. Despite the facts that two people sharing the same body, genetic duplication, and cloning exists. Or the fact you try to base it on a death toll semantic even though as mentioned, death rate doesn’t change the validity of the living being in question.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 which as we already discussed, the capacity of death doesn’t change what something is. Yes conjoined twins are essentially sharing the same body. Now whether or not they would conduct as two separate human beings has always been a major topic but it doesn’t change the validity there was a human being there both before and after the split.
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@denniswakabayashi4199 dude I was sleeping, it’s clear you don’t have a life if you’re seriously going to harass when I respond. 😂 Also again why on Earth would having the ability to split somehow disqualify from being a valid human being. Again the split is essentially a genetic duplication. Very comparable to cloning. Yet I doubt we classify either the clone or the original as non living or non human now do we?
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@denniswakabayashi4199 once again the original has split and formed a genetic duplication. The original is still there, it just now exists with a split duplicate. Sometimes that does nothing to him or her, other times it can lead to major health problems. It varies.
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