Comments by "King Orange" (@kingorange7739) on "Liberals Are Hypocrites" video.

  1. Clown Clown do you don’t know what quality of life that baby is going to have completely and also it should not be up to us to decide what quality of life that child is entitled to in order to live at the end of the day that should be decided by no one except the being in question for some people looking at a harsh life isn’t worth it but for most it’s something that they endorse through it’s something that they may not like but they’re willing to carry-on anyways so do not act like abortions are done for the child sake because they aren’t any pro-choice member that was intellectually honest with admit this
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  2. Dacia Fortier So my question is this then, since you are saying the notion that aborting a fetus is OK upon till 22 weeks or would consider the point viability even though there have been cases of fetuses/babies surviving as early as 12 weeks, so would you then try to argue with me that viability is the point that constitutes human life? Because if you are there are holes in that logic. Primarily that we have cases all the time where humans at some stage aren’t viable, as in can survive on its own. U leave a new born at a house for a week, it dies, not to mention people on life support. The simple basis is at what point could someone be fully viable? Because even after ur born u still depend on others to survive. And that’s what the viability argument stems from, degree of dependence. So let me ask u this, the minute a child or adult loses viability, does that make them no longer human and ok to kill?
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  3. McKenna Dumas you’re right, death penalty kills murderers, abortion kills babies. You’re welcome
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  4. lexi michelle ツ how does that close the case?
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  5. Yeah even as a pro life person, her methods are questionable at best
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  6. it is but them it shouldn't be if they want consistent logic.
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  7. lol
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  8. Thank u. Someone who doesn't speak bullshit.
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  9. Sophie abortion is a big deal because people think killing for convenience is perfectly fine.
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  10. Angel Perez actually 11 states and Washington D.C allow abortion all the way up till birth.
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  11. Angela Denzer background checks are necessary however there is a fine line u have to be careful forming
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  12.  @shak3nandstirr3d  Thank u
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  13. kayla holm debatable. Humans by design are omnivores.
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  14. agreed. Abortion isn't doing with their bodies though, it is doing with the child's body.
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  15. That is actually quite unique amongst the bunch but I respect that. I am pro life and for the death penalty personally. We may differ on one area but at least we can agree killing babies is wrong.
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  16. Brandon B idk. The left has its ways.
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  17. how so? I like her hat.
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  18. VON ET how does she not know?
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  19. Why do we have: Seatbelt laws, drinking age, clothes being mandatory, statutory rape, driving age, smoking age, drug age, drug consumption limits, prohibition of sex in public, legal age marriage, age of consent, etc. Category 2: invalid.
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  20. Lilly Carter doesn’t have to. Taxes has nothing to do with it.
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  21. We r screwed anyways
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  22. Because it is based on the same principle, both kill human beings. Yet we would rather protect murderers and rapists than future generations and children. Truly tragic.
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  23. same
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  24. N Y no he didn’t u fool
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  25. N Y no he really didn’t. U can explain otherwise.
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  26. Amanda maulucci are u seriously comparing a human child to an ant?
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  27.  @lynnfarley7859  and?
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  28. Komal Sandhu no she is saying that there is something odd about their priorities.
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  29. tessa musgrave we are all clumps of cells. Also by ur logic that means the government shouldn’t arrest anyone since “they have no say over anyone’s body period.” Go live in an anarchist country if u want that.
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  30. tessa musgrave also personhood is a legal term, not a scientific one so it’s not relevant. If the government declares u not a person then by that country‘s standards, u r not a person.
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  31. tessa musgrave is a cop shouldn’t shoot someone in self defense? Should the government not go to war against a terrorist group that attacks them? Should school shooters not be killed for all the lives they stole and the security risk of keeping them alive?
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  32. tessa musgrave that is incorrect. U clearly don’t know the definition of living which does not mention a heartbeat. Heartbeat is what we use to measure living. Not what constitutes life. Also heartbeat of an embryo begins at 5 weeks. So will u agree abortion after 5 weeks should be illegal?
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  33. V Vanilla what the freak are you talking about? Once when conception happens you have already had the baby it already exists as a human being at that point it’s a decision of whether or not to kill it, a choice pro life does not think does not anyone should have. Ur being ignorant at best and delusional at worst
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  34.  @babybegula1228  I fight for both. Children are children regardless of size. Also that is a strawman argument. To use a basis of because I am doing one good, that I am automatically responsible to do every good in existence. Also why don't u go help those children? Just saying, pro life ain't the only ones that should be going to help those children, but u would rather put a basis that killing children is ok just because they aren't born yet. So actually, I kinda know why u don't bother.
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  35. get noob no it really isn’t if you’re going to argue with me a logic that just because the parents may not be able to care for the child properly that automatically justifies the ability to kill them then you better be ready to apply that same logic for those that are homeless for those an orphanage just because the child isn’t born doesn’t change the fact that it is still a child so unless you’re going to apply that same logic against those afterbirth that is a hypocritical argument
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  36. get noob also if the parents so desperately don’t want to have the child they can always give it up for adoption just saying
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  37. get noob ur right I don’t. But the many pro life woman have. In fact u realize that because pro life women tend to be part of older generations, they have already been through it. And yeah, I can never do that. Because I physically can’t as a male. But given that over half of women in America are now pro life, that makes it clear that it isn’t as bad as some make it to be. Yes it’s painful, but it’s something their bodies by design are able and meant for, and on top of that, thanks to modern medical equipment, a mother has less than a 0.002% of dying in childbirth.
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  38. get noob so many children die per year, and u want to add more? Taking away that basis. I don’t disagree that adoption is an issue that has to be worked to be fixed, that being said, it’s issues is no excuse to take the life of a child.
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  39. Good thing then that u can't claim sexes. If she is born with a uterus, she is a female. Do everyone a favor and say something smart.
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  40. Scott Perry who?
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  41.  @SSmotzer  How so?
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  42. SSmotzer understandable
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  43. Harizl it’s a bit of a logical flaw. But I think the reason they state is why she calls them hypocrites since their statement is contradictory
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  44. Joe Mama The same reason why vegans advocate the protection of animals or the same reason why there’s discussions about pro or anti-death penalty or discussions about anything on that matter. Go live in an anarchist state if you only want to be concerned about yourself and your family and not worry about society as a whole
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  45. Joe Mama we are all clumps of cells. Attempting to dehumanizing what is already scientifically a human being won’t help u. Also unless ur using that as the line, bringing up rape or risk of the mother is straw man since u don’t even care if it’s not that case.
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  46. Joe Mama also women do have rights. But they don’t have absolute rights. Also people always tell each other what to do. Through peers, family, and government. That’s the price of a society. Get used to it.
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  47.  @ilonaharutyunyan511  "Im not "attempting to dehumanize' anything. A fetus is considered human at about 16 weeks from conception." Really? Which source? Why at 16 weeks? What constitutes it being considered a human being at 16 weeks? "A fetus feels some sort of pain at about 20 weeks." Ok. in a decent amount of states, abortion is legal after 20 weeks. "An average women gets an abortion at 4-8 weeks." IDC what the average date is, that is not the point. The fact is, it is allowed after that point. What kind of argument is that? That would be like making stealing legal and saying "oh the average american does not steal." the fact it is even allowed is a problem. "So no, I'm not "dehumanizing' a fetus. To me, there is no such thing as " pro-life'. There is pro-birth." Hey buddy, use the dictionary, they pretty much mean the same thing. Also u do not get to decide what there is and no such thing as for a word with a dictionary meaning. "here are about 140 million orphans worldwide." We don't control the world, we only control the USA. So do not try to use extreme arguments that aren't relevant within our own governing policies. "If you care that much, go save a life from there instead of harassing women for making a mistake." First off, I plan to adopt when I get older, but even if I didn't, u are now relying on a strawman argument. By ur logic, ur saying I am now obligated to take care of someone just because I am defending their right to live? Let me ask you when u see someone injured about to die, if u run them to the hospital and they recover there, r u now responsible to feed him, cloth him, and give him a place to live? Do I have to pay money to keep someone from being shot? Also you clearly don't know what harassment is given that I never recalled working to change law due to scientific fact was ever considered harassment. Debate is not harassment. Us beating a woman for making the wrong choice would be harassment. Following a woman after a debate to reprimand her would be harassment. Do research before commenting.
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  48.  @ilonaharutyunyan511  "Being told something is different from being forced into it." What are we forcing? We only forbid the killing of the child. "Abortion is basic health care." Really? Tell me what other forms of "health care" allow you to kill another human being. Because I don't know of any. Also calling it health care doesn't matter since that is a legal and by extension, subjective concept. So it does not help ur claims in either case. Also don't try to change topic. I asked u to prove how a Fetus isn't human. Still waiting for an answer.
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  49.  @ilonaharutyunyan511  I will be having my responses prepared tomorrow as it is late tonight and I need to gather my sources. Please be on standby till tomorrow.
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  50. Joe Mama discord
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  51. Joe Mama discord
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  52. Ruby Strait Who says you can’t do both? The principle of fighting with you hate versus protecting what you love or not mutually exclusive concepts they apply to both yes in many ways you can help create positive change to make the “need” for abortion go down, but by the same token you can still bash why abortion is morally wrong considering no matter what the circumstances it doesn’t change what the action is you are still killing the life of an innocent human being a baby no less
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  53. Ruby Strait here is the problem with that basis. First off, we are all technically a clump of cells
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  54. Um you realized she has already been engaged. LOL.
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  55.  @jahmeladuncan1778  Because ur saying that as if no one would fuck her when she already has someone for that.
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  56.  @jahmeladuncan1778  hahahaha. Well people are crazy these days. But it keeps things interesting
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  57. same.
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  58. I disagree with that but I get the logic.
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  59. who now? And how so?
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  60. Christopher Justice oh so because she has one accident a party that means she can’t aim wow you clearly haven’t been to enough parties that were people do a lot of stupid things or go to a lot of rough situations.
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  61. Christopher Justice ok
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  62. Megamind X Roxanne we are all clumps of cells and life isn’t belief, it is scientific fact. If u want to question the logic then fine, but saying it’s not life till it breathes despite all evidence proving the contrary is delusional.
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  63. Bianca Destiny yeah she would
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  64. Black Sky yeah and rape is not that exception.
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  65. How so?
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  66. sxʟᴠᴇʀ. sᴏᴜʟ proof to back ur claim?
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  67. John Ackley where r urs?
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  68. Dacia Fortier pro choice and pro abortion mean the same thing
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  69. Dacia Fortier hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha. Nah fam. It’s choosing what to do with another body
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  70. Dacia Fortier oh so the minute I have a different opinion then there is no room for me? News flash, the YouTube comments have thousands here. I’m only 1 more so yes there is room for me. Why not actually do an intellectual debate and try to change my mind instead of acting like an entitled brat.
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  71. Dacia Fortier no it’s an human being. A baby is a term of development. And identity does not factor into a logic debate. Trying to speak from authority won’t help u. Yes I may be religious and a man. But I don’t let those factors blind me. Hence why I use neither in my arguments. I don’t put identity politics in a debate. I suggest u do the same
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  72. Dacia Fortier Not necessarily now it’s attached to their body and while it draws my female spotting in order to survive that hardly makes it there body. And secondly you also have to ask this chemically were all crimes of cells the thing that separates us from a fetus is simply the stage of development, size, location, and degree of dependence. Those are the only four key biological differences between a fetus and a full adult so what I want to ask you is which one of those four differences it’s enough in your eyes to not constitute it as a human being?
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  73. Dacia Fortier again we are all clumps of cells. Just more developed ones. Don’t attempt to dehumanize it just because of its development. Also I disagree, u brought up a move point with mother’s having says over the children after birth but absolutely none of them include the prospect of killing them. If a mother after her new born child literally minutes after birth decided to grab a knife and stab said child, she would be arrested rightfully so for homicide. So no she does not have ultimate say as the decisions she makes cannot go against the interest of the safety of the child not to mention conflicting interest of the father. After all it takes 2 to tango. Why should mothers alone have a bail out by literally being allowed to kill her unborn child but then if she keeps it and the father does not want it, he is held accountable for child support. It’s hypocrisy. The simple basis is to ensure parents uphold both of their responsibilities to that child at the very least till it can be passed to someone else. The child did not ask to be in the position it’s in. Why should they receive a death sentence for simply existing. Is existence a crime? Also for most with the exception of rape, mothers know what they r getting into whenever having sexual intercourse. They know the risk. So even taking away physical responsibility, what about moral responsibility? Do we devalue human life so badly that we should consider 15 minutes of pleasure worth more than the life, potential, and future of a child? A separate human being with a destiny that we are denying him or her by killing them? For something that is no crime? Existing? Is that worth it to u? Because that’s what it comes down to. If parents knew to be responsible and keep it in the pants or at least use proper protection, then this wouldn’t be an issue.
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  74. Mitsake Last name no it isn’t. And even if by some miracle it was, that’s not their decision to make. In what other case do we get to decide for an innocent human being if their life is worth living or not. Adoption is an option u know. Government aid can help cover for medical bills. There is no excuse
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  75. Dacia Fortier Except enough statistics have proven otherwise, even with the foster kids that have overwhelming amount of abuse or things such as that the majority of children in there still live. This is the concept I don’t get when people say they’d rather not live because the entire premise is based on if you choose to wake up and not immediately kill yourself you are by definition choosing to live in sure while your body and stinks to play a part with and keep in your life if someone truly had enough desire to not wanna live anymore then they would end it and that’s what I’m trying to explain whether or not the child wants to live or not during that moment is up to them that is not our decision to preemptively make for them because by logic if we should not want to put that on anyone then killing kids in foster care in general shouldn’t be a problem by ur very own logic. Stop acting like it’s some mercy when they never gave the choice on whether or not a hard life is something they r willing to live or not.
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  76. Dacia Fortier that’s no argument. And again since when do I ignore people at foster care? Do not make assumptions.
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  77. Dacia Fortier and again that’s not an argument for pro choice. I already disproved ur previous logic. Don’t fall into the line of being ignorant. And I don’t ignore either.
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  78. Dacia Fortier again. It’s not a matter of saying what they should do to our eggs. Once when an egg is fertilized, it becomes a zygote which is the earliest stage of a human being. So it’s not the government doing anything. It’s the government enforcing the simple basis of everyone having a right to life. Also do not twist my words. I don’t want children to suffer like that. But the answer to that is to actually fix a broken system rather than using that broken system as some excuse to kill them. Seriously by that logic, why not just kill the kids inside the foster care, or why not homeless people, or the poor? Do u think their having fun with their struggles? Do u think that they don’t suffer? Of course they do. We don’t do that because we respect the fact that it is their life, something we can’t decide for them on. Yet here u r wanting to push to notion that just because they can’t explicitly reject death that it somehow makes it ok to kill them. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
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  79. Dance Moms Stories how does that make her a hypocrite exactly?
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  80. Dance Moms Stories ok does that make her a hypocrite?
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  81.  @EDITZOFF1CIAL  Yeah it does.
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  82. Spencer Matsen that doesn’t make any sense
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  83. Lauren Beauchamp she has one.
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  84. Rick Donato consciousnesses doesn’t constitute human. Please research before commenting
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  85. Because she disagrees with u? Grow up
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  86. Kathleen Laframboise She’s not saying that a woman should be forced to have a baby nobody is forcing anything it’s simply saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to kill it. Also how is she promoting killing humans by promoting guns
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  87. Aine McFadden no it really isn’t. Animals are eaten for us to live. Human beings are killed for convenience.
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  88. Aine McFadden not automatically
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  89. Daekota Alston nope. They aren’t illegal immigrants either, they aren’t from any other country. False equivalence
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  90. Who?
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  91. Nah, private schools still exist and schools are meant to teach knowledge, not propaganda.
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  92. diet bleach guns are not designed to kill innocence. They are designed to kill those actively threatening u if operated properly
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  93. Red ** what?
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  94. Jazmyne Jakubiak yep
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  95. Ismail Aden um it doesn’t have to be 100%. Yes in any system mistakes once in a blue moon will be made. However when there is quite literally undeniable evidence against someone of a mass crime then the death penalty is justified. Also the “clump of cells” is a human being which is scientifically hardly different from u and me. So we are technically a clump of cells.
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  96. Hannah P. Source please? 😂😏
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  97. Hannah P. Nah
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  98. Hannah P. To u. I find her funny to watch.
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  99. Jesse Smock nope
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  100. Peachy Miles so what’s your point?
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  101.  @miloohq  Yes u can. Again unless in the case of medical necessity than it is not something that can ruin her life completely. Also that was the risk she chose to take prior to the pregnancy
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  102.  @miloohq  I am not going to answer that because it does not matter.
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  103. Peachy Miles I said it doesn’t matter
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  104.  @miloohq  Perhaps not. But there are 51% of women which are pro life that have gone through it. My own sister in law and sister went through it, my mother went through it and yet the pro life view came out the same.
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  105. me early stage? Many liberals advocate for abortion being OK all the way up to nine months at which point a baby can feel pain and can’t think and is almost fully developed outside of the room and is usually at a point of viability. And the problem with abortion is that it’s logically inconsistent. There was no argument that can be used to advocate abortion without equally applying the same logic to those after birth and using it against them but the problem is is that the pro-choice crowd will never use these arguments against those after birth which means their logic falls into a hole
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  106. cut the cameras deadass hmmmm. How mature of u
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  107. Sakura Saku how so? How does eating animals to survive make u a hypocrite?
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  108. Sakura Saku ok, what should I research?
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  109. Sakura Saku why is that? I asked u a question. Pro life definition? What constitutes life? Statistics of pro choice vs pro life? Without any common ground or making any points, I have nothing to counter
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  110. Sakura Saku so u can’t conduct a simple debate? I just want to understand ur logic that’s all.
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  111. Sakura Saku why not? I haven’t said anything insulting to u nor anything ignorant, I am simply trying to debate and understand my opposition slightly more. I question why a simple debate would be a hard concept for u. I mean if u can’t do it for me, what hopes r u going to have in courts?
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  112. Sakura Saku 19
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  113. Sakura Saku what difference does that make?
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  114.  @sakurasaku3408  "I thought you didnt know. Please come back after having many different experiences in your life ( please wait ,at least till you get your third job or marriage for example or come back to me when you become 45 years old or so ). " - Hahahahahahahahahaha, what does that have to do with Abortion? "1,I dont want to debate or argue with someone who is into games and manga.( especially if you are older than college student )" - 2 things, one I am 19, secondly that is hypocritical, u want me to be older with some experiences and then u say I am too old. Make up ur mind. "2, I dont want to debate or argue with someone who is much younger ,having no serious experiences or without education ( not talking about high school or college )." - Um where else would u get education during college years? Also again contradiction, how can I be too old and too young? Make up ur mind. Also I do not care if u want to argue or not, the points are valid. The points and facts are what matter, not the person saying them. Leave ur dumb identity politics out of it. "3, If I do , I would chose a person who has high education , high intelligent and has experiences." - so basically that makes me 2/3 of what u ideally want. Um that seems pretty reasonable. Also again, part of the debate is to learn the other perspective. How am I suppose to sympathize or even understand ur logic if u let ur ego make u believe that u r beyond discussion and debate? "4, It wont be fair to you ." - Sure it will. If I don't cut for someone highly intelligent, education, or with experience, then I should not be difficult to beat. Yet u r the one running from the debate. "with Love, take care and have a wonderful new week ." - u too, just actually partake in discussion. It helps us both out. Understanding the other side is going to be impossible unless debates happen to where we can learn from each other our outlooks.
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  115. Sakura Saku and?
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  116. Sakura Saku nothing?
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  117. lol, are u pro life or pro choice?
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  118.  @ij329  true
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  119. under watch what an argument
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  120. Mitsake Last name ok and? That’s clearly a false statement
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  121. U mean what they do to their child's body? Because I do care about that.
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  122.  @emmamercer1998  Do we allow mother's to kill their five year olds? Also changing law is what we can do about it
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  123. She will.
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  124.  @michaelmiller5510  Do so if u want man. I am just saying what is inevitable
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  125. lily yazdi what would you define them as?
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  126. Anna huh? ?
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  127. me when you eat a batch of eggs you’re supposed to acquire eggs before they are fertilized this is why any chicken farm used for eggs does not have roosters.
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  128.  @iambob6590  who?
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  129.  @iambob6590  oh ok
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  130. Veruna ok and do u agree with the brutal treatment? The killing of male chicks? If ur answer is no then it’s the same principle. I disagree with that killing as well. It’s unnecessary and a waste of life to kill baby chicks. So all ur doing is proving my point even further.
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  131. Veruna that is actually false. A fetus actually begins brain activity at 6-8 weeks. And pain receptors come with that. 24 weeks is just the point people know for a fact. Also consciousness does not constitute a living being. It doesn’t matter within the larger context of it feels pain or not. It doesn’t change what the action is.
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  132. Veruna also in case u don’t know, abortions are done after 24 weeks.
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  133. Veruna and there are principles as to why 24 weeks is not a good cut off. Again it implies the notion that killing is on when the being can’t feel pain and it is also intellectually dishonest since a fetus can feel pain before 24 weeks. They might not be able to comprehend it as pain but they can feel it.
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  134. Veruna yes u can. It’s only a bad comparison if pain constituted life which it doesn’t.
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  135. Veruna ok and I’ll ask again. Since when does pain constitute life of a human being? R u saying it’s ok to kill someone so as long as they don’t feel pain in that process?
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  136. Veruna that’s one source. Many other sources stated 20 weeks, some say even earlier.
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  137. Veruna so you would be OK with killing a newborn that was induced with a coma or killing anyone that’s in a coma or hell even killing someone that’s a sleep. That’s basically ur argument and it’s not logically consistent
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  138. Zoe. R why?
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  139.  @margz408  It is a child fool. Maybe do some research. Or just wait for someone to vacuum u up.
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  140. Brian Cunningham yes u can. They just don’t talk to u
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  141. Aimee -Bitch how so??
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  142. Because it is illegal. Why? U want someone to beat her up?
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  143. Aracely deleon A fertilized egg is in fact living it has developed already into a zygote and a fetus which is already developing and growing which means it is by definition living
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  144. Aracely deleon please do research before you comment
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  145.  @aracelydeleon6759  What?
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  146.  @aracelydeleon6759  what? Please construct ur sentences better
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  147.  @aracelydeleon6759  I said human being. Baby is a term of development. Also the basis of her body isn't a valid statement. It is not her body in question.
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  148. Saffy L someone in Texas getting murdered doesn’t affect you either yet that doesn’t mean you don’t implement laws to keep people from murdering each other
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  149.  @saffyl5227  No i say it because it is true. Unless u can convey that abortion is not killing an innocent human being. Which a Fetus is. Then there is no basis to say it is not in fact a form of murder. Considering murder is the premeditated killing of another human being.
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  150. always watching.
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  151.  @randomuser8728  A fetus is a child
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  152.  @randomuser8728  We are all clumps of cells. That does not help ur logic.
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  153. sremeolB é ok, do me a favor and tell that to pro choice members that try to compare that to veganism.
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  154. sremeolB é good
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  155. Evalyn Brooks no not really
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  156. Evalyn Brooks what is possible versus probable are two separate things.
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  157. Evalyn Brooks ok
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  158. I can still comment.
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  159. Not really. If no common ground can be reached, there is not point in arguing.
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  160. I bet u do. Because how dare anyone disagree with pro choice?
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  161. Hmmm which is more important, a mother deciding to kill a developing baby to continue having sex without responsibility or actually giving the unborn baby a chance to live a full life for itself with consequences being minor for the mother..... Very Tricky.
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  162. lol. Irony indeed.
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  163. maddie scotti who?
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  164. steve sanders yep
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  165. Julian Ochoa Gavilano what?
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  166. Cierra Pouch oh so let me get this straight? Do u have 2 brains, 2 hearts, 2 vaginas or a dick? Do u have 2 lungs? No? Then guess what, it ain’t ur body. It may be in ur body. But that’s not ur body.
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  167. Yep. This is why America is now a laughing stock.
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  168. True sadly
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  169. Jayden Washer we are all cells. Also no, a woman is not dictating her body when aborting, she is dictating the child’s body.
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  170. Jayden Washer also an embryo and fetus are life. Retake biology if u don’t believe me
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  171. She is, she just isn't the most civil.
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  172. Brennanabread OWO accidents don’t mean shit when u still chose it. And rape makes less than 1% of cases. So do not be intellectually dishonest
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  173. Ok its not their body in question, it is the body of the baby in question. As such, not their body, not their choice.
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  174. meredith Ryder what r u talking about?
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  175. meredith Ryder oh
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  176. Garrett Lennox link?
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  177. Ellie Satchell really because a grown adult is still a clump of cells or just a larger and more developed clump of cells when you really think about it
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  178. Ellie Satchell there’s really only four differences between an embryo in a full adult when looking at it scientifically speaking: size, level of development, environment/ location, and degree of dependence. Other than those four factor scientifically speaking they are biologically the same as far as human life is concerned
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  179. No its that touching someone without consent can be seen as a crime. I won't argue about her ignorance at times. But people being aggressive and trying to touch her or her stuff is dumb and unacceptable.
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  180. This is honestly hilarious. Whether or not u have emotion does not determine ur worth as a human being. Also we are all mountains of cells. "killing a human being with emotions that might be falsely accused of a crime." Technology has made that virtually impossible not to mention death penalty is not given out in cases with questionable or slight evidence. Category 2: Invalid. "(if rightfully accused) killing someone bc apparently murder is a crime, but when you have the right reason to kill someone, it’s fine." U are not killing the person, the government is killing the person based on one of the highest violations of the social contract something that is required to accept in order to be a US citizen. One of which is if u violate the rights and especially lives of others, u forfeit ur rights and in most severe cases ur right to live. Category 2: Invalid. "i also agree with what that one women in the beginning said, if you’ve got an actual murderer on your hands there might either be ways to rehabilitate them or (if their genuinely disturbed and show no remorse etc) giving them a life long sentence will be a way worse punishment than putting them on an electric chair and just ending it right there." That is a subjective opinion and doesn't hold merit without the context of the murderer in question not to mention, it has been proven that the families of those they lost reach far worse closure and borderline anger in the prospect of the killer being both alive and cared for which may drive some of these families to do the dirty work themselves. Which if proper justice was not held against the murderer then much of the Jury could do sympathy votes for said families. At the end of the day, the death penalty not being allowed not only is not practical but cheapens the value of life. Considering no punishment is truly permanent than death. Category 3: Irellevant.
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  181. Angelina Hodge OK
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  182. sidney giallonardo so what?
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  183. longmayshereign • nah
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  184. Not really.
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  185. So she is dumb for being confrontational? Um sorry but, its not her fault if they are being contradictory. So why not explain ur insults with facts and context instead of just doing stupid one word name calling like a fucking crybaby. Do I need to get u the formula of logic?
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  186. It is pathetic they actually think that way
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  187. Nerea Zozaya no. An embryo is that is a separate human being. We are all bunches of cells so relying on that does not gain u anything
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  188. Since when?
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  189. Yeah and then its their ass in jail. People lashing out in violence against her only helps her cause. She honestly probably wants some leftist to punch her lol.
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  190. Gilayah McIntosh pro lifers do realize these things. They just aren’t an excuse to commit an even greater evil act.
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  191. Gilayah McIntosh first of all I actually do plan to adopt as I get older. Secondly even if I didn’t. Whether or not a child can or can’t be taken care of does not change their right to live. To say otherwise is classist
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  192. Gilayah McIntosh really how so? So ur now telling me a child should be condemned to death because of something they might do?
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  193. Gilayah McIntosh ok and what makes u think u have the right to determine for another individual whether or not their life is worth living? Imagine if u were at a down low and someone else deciding that u shouldn’t go through that and decides to kill u without ur consent to deny u a chance for a future. Because the problem is ur logic would apply equally to babies and children after birth as they would before.
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  194. Gilayah McIntosh first of all, do not answer a question with a question as it only shows u cannot give a proper response. the decision isn’t a fundamental right to begin with. The right to life is. Any decent society has it. Also no I am not done as u haven’t proved ur point and the slightest. U r yet to display why the logic u used to justify abortion wouldn’t equally apply to that of children after birth. And I’m sorry but I’ll keep asking until I get a response because view points without any proper context to back it aren’t opinions, they are delusions.
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  195. Gilayah McIntosh I have seen the other side. I’ve seen it because there was a time I was pro choice. That the very arguments I am calling u out on were ones I use to use. Until I realized how stupid they are and added nothing to logic or morality. Saying that people will do something anyway just because it’s illegal isn’t an argument. It’s folly. It would be equivalent to making theft legal because people are still going to steal and it wouldn’t be as safe for the thieves if it was illegal. Also I am literally listening rn. I am asking u to answer my question that I asked earlier. How would ur logic for justifying abortions not equally apply to children after birth? That’s literally all I asked. If u can’t answer that, then it kinda shows me u didn’t think everything though. Also pro lifers aren’t stupid. We know it won’t completely stop abortions but it will significantly reduce them. Over 800,000 abortions happen in the US per year. Even if we were to exaggerate to number of illegal abortions to 50,000, that’s still at worst case scenario 700,000 being saved.
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  196.  @gilayahmcintosh8766  "to answer your question, it does not equate the same. Usually when a child that’s walking this earth is killed it hurts the parents and the family. But if the mother is choosing to terminate the pregnancy there is most likely emotional pain at all. And the only people who are upset are the people who has nothing to do with her decision." Too an extent yes, except as of right now, not even family members or even the father can legally stop her. So there are still basis of those getting upset over a decision that may affect them. Also the other problem with this is that it would insert that the child being wanted determines their worth as a human being, implying the notion that killing a 6 year old would be fine if no one wanted said 6 year old. I doubt u intended this outcome, but this is a gap within ur logic. "Also I never meant or said that pro-lifers are stupid. And I am sorry if it came off that way." I appreciate your apology and I will also apologize if I came across as aggressive to you. "Also back to my point about abortion still happening. pro- lifers are all about life but by making abortion not safe the death rates will double because unsafe abortions will most likely kill the more with the baby." This retreats back to my previous statement. America has offered enough alternatives to negate the need for abortion and I myself advocate for even more to be done. Now with this basis, not to sound cold. But there is a point where sympathy does end when they are willing to risk their own life just to kill their offspring. So even in a scenario where it did not create the desired results, it wouldn't change my mind because it is about the principle as well. Even though like I said, there is enough evidence that making abortion illegal would not have such drastic effects in the US or any first world country for that matter. And honestly, making abortion illegal would more than likely decrease pregnancy rates as it would force couples to either reconsider their sexual actions or at the very least take far more precautions. Did u know as of right now, statistics show that 46% of women that do abortions admit to not using any birth control or contraceptives and even within the 54% that did, many did not use them correctly or consistently. "And maybe I haven’t thought of everything but this is my belief and I stand by it. Think what you want and I will do the same. Clearly neither of us are convincing which is right so can we just shake hands and call it a day? This is to of being redundant and pointless." If u wish to do so yes. But if u wish to have this political war end, these discussions are the way to do it. Contrary to what u may think. I have no aggressive intentions to use against u because u actually remind me much of my younger self. So please understand that my positioning is to have u understand what took me too long to figure out on my own. Again the question needs to be brought up why 15 minutes of pleasure is worth the life of an entirely new human being. Because that is what it comes down too. Take many of the European countries that have more welfare and social safety nets than most yet even their abortions do not stop because the excuses done to justify it aren't the reasons for people wanting it. It is more often than not because they want engage freely in sexual intercourse without the risk of any consequence. I am not saying this is ur reason. But it is the primary drive for the majority of pro choice whether they realize it or not. Why do u think people say when they are scared of having their girlfriends pregnant after sex that they feel good having abortion as an option. Because they do not want that responsibility that comes with sexual intercourse. Ironically this is also why more men are pro choice and more women are pro life according to 2019 poll statistics.
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  197.  @gilayahmcintosh8766  Understandable. But there is a question upon the killing of another life. This is the only question needing to be asked. Pro life does not advocate the force of a pregnancy but rather forbidding the death of the child. So I will say when medical technology improves where the baby can be removed without killing it, this won't be as much of an issue to discuss.
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  198.  @gilayahmcintosh8766  indeed
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  199. Ok so at what point would u consider a Fetus alive then?
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  200.  @oegoista1126  Ok, why 24 weeks?
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  201. o oceano but does breathing constitute life? People and living beings in general can live without breathing. If I held my breath and stopped breathing or needed life support to breathe, does that make me no longer living?
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  202. Sarkastik Leader scientifically speaking life begins at conception so unfortunately it is you that don’t have the facts straight if you want to argue with that statement then you better bring up a source that indicates that life doesn’t begin at conception. For fucks sake I learned this at biology class.
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  203. Kaela Ward she never said that you did
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  204. Kaela Ward those are a mini teenage girls that have parents that actively force them to get abortions under the threat of being kicked out
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  205. Angel Perez a fetus can be aborted up to nine months in some areas. So......
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  206. Angel Perez no. Because that choice is made before the child comes to be. Afterward, it’s not longer just about them.
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  207. Marles Rae nope. People don’t want the government that ensures that any US citizen it kills gets a trial with a jury of citizens shouldn’t have control of that. But a mother should decide to kill her child. By ur logic, as long as the government doesn’t do it, murder is perfectly fine. 😂
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  208. Marles Rae haha haha. Question then. What constitutes a human being by ur logic?
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  209. Marles Rae ok well why would there be rules in the first place if the government shouldn’t ever have control on the matter. Also again by ur logic u would be telling me that killing others is fine as long as the government ain’t doing it.
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  210. Marles Rae again that’s missing the point. Whether a child is wanted or not does not forfeit its right to live. Because if u were to use that logic it would equally apply after birth yet we can both agree that killing babies after birth is wrong in every level. My basic question is why it should not be the same for babies before birth or in ur case, babies before viability.
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  211. Marles Rae ok someone murdering their brother or sister doesn’t affect u personally either. Doesn’t mean their shouldn’t be laws in place to prevent it.
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  212. Marles Rae so again, viability is not a consistent argument unless u would like to tell me that it’s fine to kill those on life support, comas, newborns. Etc.
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  213. Marles Rae whether u think it’s alive doesn’t change that it is biologically alive. That’s a fact not an opinion. And it’s already in this world. Tell me what world is a unborn baby in? Also u realize that when eggs are taken they are meant to be taken and eaten before fertilization. This is why egg farms have no roosters. Category 2: invalid. Again unless ur willing to forfeit ur own rights when not viable then I wouldn’t recommend putting that on an unborn child. Because guess what, when ur on life support. U aren’t viable and really on someone or something to live. Yet would u think killing those people are fine? I don’t.
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  214. Marles Rae ok. So? I am not asking the what’s I’m asking the whys. Now u are determining it by location but that is an absurd concept to determine what constitutes human life being protected and it being allowed to be killed. Do tell me, how would u react if without informing anyone, the owner of the restaurant ur currently eating at decided he didn’t want that group in his restaurant and so decided to pull a gun out and kill every customer in the restaurant. It’s his restaurant, but that doesn’t detract from ur rights. Correct?
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  215.  @marart926  "I never said a fetus did not have living cells, but it cant live until it becomes a baby." U mean live independently. But as we already discussed, u cannot judge it based on viability without condemning other people to the same principle. Category 2: Invalid "what's a baby. A human with an independent body, whereas a fetus, clump of cells, is dependent inside and attached, therefore is part of a woman's, not alive with rights." Baby definition: a very young child, especially one newly or recently born. Nowhere does it mention an independent body. Why? Because it already has a seperate body. It is just not a body that can survive on its own. Also yes it is alive. U cannot say it is dependent to be alive and then a sentence later not call it alive. That is contradicting. Also ironically it does have rights considering in some states, a man can be charged with homicide for punching a pregnant woman in the gut and causing a miscarriage meaning even the government recognizes the unborn child as a separate human being. Category 2: Invalid. "I can debate more if you want but I won't play the circular reasoning game. Sorry if I didn't explain clearly in my posts about my side of the debate. I'm not really arguing but I like to read and listen to what ppl think even though it's a controversial topic." "I'm pro choice. Ppl are against the death penalty because ppl dont want the government to control life and death. I personally think ppl should have life and death over themselves that includes a fetus. That's why its CHOICE." Nowhere does it say u didn't want people to argue with u on the matter. Also I am sorry but if u comment in a controversial video on a controversial topic then u should more than prepared for counter arguments. That is the point of comment threads. And at the end of the day this is an argument u have now chosen to partake in. I appreciate the respect u have given me and I would like to believe I am doing the same for u which is why I am not resorting to insults. But I will say based on the previous statements above, u are being intellectually dishonest and u are falling into a lot of logical gaps. Which is not ur fault. Every pro choice member falls into that. Its why I want to make it clear, I am not coming at u from a position of malice but from a position of desperation for u to see pass what the left has lied to u about. Since I won't lie. I once bought into them. I use to be a pro choice member when I was younger. So understand, the arguments u are trying to make against me are almost the same as the arguments I once used. I'm sorry but sometimes it takes learning lessons the hard way to realize that killing innocence for convenience is morally wrong. Trust me, I took a while to learn that. So spare ur self from the time I had to take. I can't force u to value something. But u need to at least understand and accept what an abortion actually is. It is not a passive medical procedure done to protect woman's bodies in 99% of cases. It is a procedure that kills for lifestyle convenience and if u think about it actually devalues women more than a pro life stance ever could.
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  216.  @marart926  Understandable but that isn't the core of the issue. A fetus biologically is human and trust me, I understand not wanting kids. Other than adoption, I do not either. But the thing is, the simple thing is. Is terminating another life worth it because one does not want to handle it? Is denying it a chance to live a full life the same way u and I are worth it? Is it worth 15 minutes of pleasure? Just think about that please. But thanks for the respectful discussion. I appreciate we could keep this civil. I wish more pro choice members had ur level of respect for others.
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  217. Angela Denzer allow them to be killed? Are you joking me? Killing children after birth is also illegal so guess what if someone takes a gun and shoots a child they’re still going to get arrested and more than likely get the death penalty. What is your point? Also there is not been enough statistics to clearly state that legalizing guns would automatically make school shootings and people dying go down considering that the guns used in school shootings are often illegal anyways.
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  218. Angela Denzer we care because that’s the only way to have justice for said death
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  219. Angela Denzer that is action seeked but Democrats have worked to take away guns at this point
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  220. Adriana Licalzi and then you would get arrested for assault.
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  221. St. Medusa what? What’s ur point?
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  222. St. Medusa no i would. I like explainations though
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  223. If she aborted, yes she would.
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  224. Oreed6 Fun and gaming why?
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  225. Josephine Bukuru why don’t u give a statistic?
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  226. Sarah Levine trying to say that other issues does not contribute against actual pro life logic. Nice try bud
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  227. Sarah Levine u can think that but by the same token, the basis of them being separate issues is that, at the end of the day both can be covered. And being pro life and wanting abortion illegal isn’t dictating anything in my eyes since the very concept of abortion being allowed is allowing a mother to dictate whether or not the child is allowed to live which opens the door to a decent deal of problems especially with the modern culture it is creating
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  228. Lindsay rose that’s sexist. Also even if u left exclusively to the women majority, abortion would still be illegal. United States polls of 2019 confirmed 51% of women were pro life, 43% were pro choice, and 8% were undecided. Category 2: Invalid.
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  229. Lindsay rose hmmmm. Not really. What determines it not having a right the same way all other human beings do?
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  230. Aimee Martini OK so let me ask you are you advocating that only in the extreme case that a mother’s life is at risk because of the pregnancy that it would be OK to terminate it?
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  231.  @shak3nandstirr3d  That does not answer my question
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  232.  @shak3nandstirr3d  I think that abortions should only be allowed under emergency medical necessity or when the mother's life is in a high risk of dying.
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  233. ?
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  234. U cannot believe everyone has a right to live and then be pro choice, that is contradictory. So everyone except the unborn then.
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  235. F Glenn liberty does not mean the government can’t do anything. Ur right to liberty does the minute u pull the trigger on another human being.
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  236. Rick Donato actually it does that’s why upon till recently states could charge people for double homocide for killing a pregnant mom
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  237. Rick Donato also how demented of you. Guess white scientifically speaking a fetus is a human and no amount of denial is going to change that.
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  238. how bout no. Also if they are, pro life community will disagree but at least that person is logically consistent to some degree.
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  239. Keyona Milne that’s not ur choice to make. Only the kid should decide if that’s a life worth living for him or her. It is not our place to decide for another human being if their life is worth living. Give up that misguided delusion.
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  240. "This is probably really stupid but if you’re saying a fetus is a living human being" - How so? "if you abort it you are killing a baby" - Because in a sense, u r. Baby is just a different stage of development. "why is it okay to take an egg (unborn chick etc.) from its mother and eat it?" - Because a hen dropping eggs by itself is not a chick, it still has to be fertilized. Seriously look up biology or answer when hen houses that lay eggs don't have roosters. Also u r relying on a false equivalence by trying to hold animals that we eat to fuel us and have us survive to a human being that has absolutely no life threatening basis on u if u don't kill it. "Isn’t that a baby too?" - Again it isn't, research simple biology. "But it’s an egg right it doesn’t have any rights" - It actually does, not anyone can just come in and destroy eggs at anytime. There are things like licensing, limitations, and ethical methods. The irony of ur statement is many animals have more legal protection than an unborn child does. So I am sorry. I don't speak bullshit.
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  241. Care to explain?
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  242. How so?
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  243. Itz-A Loser really how so?
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  244. cut the cameras deadass hmmm
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  245. Michele feel bad? Since when did freedom of speech involve not hurting feelings when they support the killing of children.
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  246. Nope. U don't get to steal from another. But in the case of pregnancy, a mother put herself and her child in the positions they are both in within 99% of cases, meaning that the mother has a responsibility to her child until it can be passed to another. Category 2: Invalid.
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  247. Barry Conley of who?
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  248.  @barryconley6586  Really? I mean over 20 people were in the video, so????
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  249. Angela Denzer oh because she disagrees with you? Oh please do not act like you care about the child when you advocate it’s termination. No. I don’t care about women do to their uterus. Pro life cares about what she does to the separate human being in it.
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  250. Finnn 11 nah
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  251. how so? Care to explain ur insults?
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  252. how so?
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  253. Brady Neal so?
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  254. Brady Neal both yes and no. It’s technically true, it just doesn’t hold up that much as a point.
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  255. Violet Synthesis who?
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  256. I am pro choice because if a 14 year old gets raped and gets pregnant and can’t take care of it So let me get this straight, u r pro choice because of what occurs only 1% of the time? "they should be able to make a choice whether to give the baby a horrible life, or no life and spare it from that" U do not know for certain if that child would and wouldn't have a horrible life and even if u did, what makes u think that anyone other than the individual themself should get to decide if their own life is worth living or not?
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  257.  @kaileeknight996  I am pro life and I already explained the logical gaps.
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  258. how so?
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  259. Ash The Queer Deer really given the rape instances only happen in 1% of the time
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  260. Ash The Queer Deer also yes pro choice is to kill children. That is literally the choice it’s providing.
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  261. HMMMMMM jee. Better tell that to some of my family members who diarrhea accidents once due to being sick with a stomach flu. Better tell them.
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  262.  @alialiani0770  It is fine. I just don't like insults without context behind them. It is a quirk I have.
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  263. sadly.
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  264. "Respect the pronouns? Kaitlin sweety shut up." - How bout no. "Do us all a favor and stop harassing people." - Harrassment DEF: aggressive pressure or intimidation. Tell me where she is doing that. "Also hey Kaitlin. Do you beleive in trans rights? I mean I know you go out and fight for gun rights all the time and that's not what you're here to talk about but I want to know your opinion.What? You're not going to answer my question because that's not what you're here to talk about." - R u stupid, or do u ignore that she would literally have to be on a device for weeks to read all the comments she gets. "Okay but what if I constantly pester you until you give me the answer I want." - Doesn't really help u but go ahead. "That's also okay cause if you start saying something smart that disagrees with my opinion I'll just walk away cause I can't have myself look bad. " - Ok that one I will give u.
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  265. Alexandra Delarosa which is fine. I’m here for discussion. Nothing more and nothing less. I try to change minds, do they always work? Hell no. But doesn’t mean one shouldn’t try. Besides even if minds aren’t changed perspectives do grow. As for ur hug offer. I’ll think about it. Mainly just because I like hugs.
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  266. Alexandra Delarosa thanks
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  267. Care to explain why?
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  268. longmayshereign • how is that ironic?
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  269. Ashley Underwood yep
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  270. Sarah Levine and?
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  271. No. She won't. What is a child then? Child Definition: 1. a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. 2. a son or daughter of any age. 3. an immature or irresponsible person. Do tell me, where do any of these definitions exclude a fetus? None? So yeah an unborn baby is still a child, like it or not. "it’s a cell that hasn’t even grown into anything yet." Oh so describe anything. What is the line that has to be met for it to count as "anything?" "so how are you gonna sit here and tell someone what they can and can’t do with their body?" We don't care what u do to ur body we care about what u do to the child's body. Also are u against seatbelt laws, driving age, drinking age, age of consent, statutory rape laws, laws against prostitution, kids not aloud in bars or casinos, anti rape laws as well? Because if not the law already sets guidelines on what "you can and can't do with ur body." Category 2: Invalid. "like you really want attention that bad??" No but she is definitely getting it. Feels great. "get the fuck out of here." Get out of where?
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  272. ​ @mustbenice7926  "the “line” that is meant is when the fetus grows a brain. that’s when it’s considered living. it’s been proven." False. The basis of when it is started is conception. Life begins at conception. Even if I were to agree with u on that. Brain function usually begins at 5 -6 weeks. In many cases even before a mother finds out she is pregnant. Category 3: Irrelevant. "and seatbelt laws are a completely different thing seatbelts have nothing to do with this argument so that just shows that you just wanna start shit lol. you look stupid. half the shit you brought up has nothing to do with the abortion situation." U in an earlier comment - "it’s a cell that hasn’t even grown into anything yet so how are you gonna sit here and tell someone what they can and can’t do with their body." I stated it before and I'll say it again, the government can and has said what u can and can't do even to ur own body. So the belief in full body autonomy without fighting against the list I just mentioned as well is hypocrisy. Category 2: Invalid. "i didn’t even touch on drinking age, statutory rape, all the other irrelevant stuff you brought up." I never said u did. That isn't the point, the point is it is based on the same principle. If u believe in full body autonomy 100% then u would have to fight that list as well. Category 1: Valid but pointless.
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  273.  @mustbenice7926  "and she needs to stay out of other people's business. she’s constantly forcing her opinions down other peoples throat." Really how so? Explain how conducting in free speech is forcing anything. Also the "mind your own business" argument is not only retarded since no one ever does that anyway but also because it contradicts why we live in a society in the first place. Because I am sorry, whether or not innocence dies is someone's business. Also u do not get to decide what is and isn't someone's business to them. Category 2: Invalid.
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  274.  @mustbenice7926  "and once again prostitution is something different then abortions. COMPLETELY different." U r once again missing the point. I know they are separate issues. I am bringing them up to test if u actually believe in a 100% body autonomy mindset. Doesn't matter considering women aren't destroying their own bodies through abortion but rather the bodies of the unborn babies. But even if I were to go along with the "my body, my choice" mindset. There are clear flaws with the logic. "so you’re literally making no sense." Um, what other way would u like me to explain my simple logic? "i feel like you are against gay rights let alone basic human rights." First of all u are saying that to someone who has many friends that are gay, bi, and lesbian and to someone who is partially bi himself. Secondly, define "basic human rights." Human Rights: Human rights are moral principles or norms that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law. Do tell me where I am going against that.
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  275. luna starling no there isn’t. U r yet to use an actual valid and consistent reason for why abortion should be legal. Also it ain’t forcing anything. It’s prohibiting an abortion. Period. Prohibiting and forcing aren’t the same definition. Look them up.
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  276. cuakhead the YouTube's we’re all Cells.
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  277. so what?
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  278. Um yes it is alive, look up fucking biology and the concept of conception.
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  279. Because up until recently there wasn’t a way to measure when conception happened
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  280.  @brieswanger6428  Birth is when age is legally measured which falls under subjective lining. It is not scientific. It is just for consistent measure since miscarriages can happen a lot during pregnancies. What point are u trying to make?
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  281. the most extreme ones are.
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  282. Chelsea Marie so what ur saying is it’s ok to kill human beings when the government doesn’t do it?
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  283. Hahhahahaha. Abortion is not a medical right u fool. Up until 1973, it wasn't even allowed on any level. Stop feeling entitled to kill innocent unborn babies for ur convenience. The death penalty is completely correct against criminals that have already taken so many lives. U saying they should live comfortable after all they did?
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  284. Darcey Tanguay to an extent but one has a more direct relation than the other
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  285. Calum's Man The system would find a way to at the very least ensure their survival now I have met their quality of life won’t be the best but at the end of the day what quality of life the child is entitled to in order to live should never be up to us. So your statement isn’t relevant. It would imply the idea that you have a right to kill someone just because you can’t take care of them
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  286. Really, where in the constitution does it explicitly state a right to an abortion?
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  287. Sophie nope
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  288. Rachel Temple no it’s giving them the choice on what to do with the child’s body.
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  289. Ellen Morris true which is why adoption is an option as u know. Also the mother should not get to decide what quality of life the child is entitled to in order to live. And it’s not forcing anything, if I recall correctly doesn’t a women have to consent to something before hand in order to get pregnant?
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  290. Ellen Morris I completely agree with that statement. Here is the problem. By pregnancy, the child already exists. Now I can concur to rape being a different case but in almost every other case, they came in knowing the risk when partaking in sexual intercourse. So then the question becomes in my mind. Why should a separate human being, a future baby, and a child be deprived of its ability to live and it’s future to experience the great things in life and to make an impact just because the mother made a mistake. Again I will concur that things like rape has more of a gray area and the mother’s life must be prioritized if it’s in physical danger during the pregnancy.
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  291. Grad Prutsers so what?
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  292. Grad Prutsers how so? Grow up. R u a little child, needing to make poop insults. Does mommy need to come and hug u and then tell u ur life means something?
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  293. Grad Prutsers 19, u?
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  294. Rick Donato not really. R u saying u have to be an adult to be legally protected?
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  295. Ja Ja does consciousness constitute human beings)
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  296. Ja Ja no it doesn’t.
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  297. Ja Ja by that logic anyone asleep or in a coma isn’t human.
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  298. Ja Ja so I’m a bitch for conducting a debate with u? Calm the fuck down. What did I ever do wrong to u? Also so what if it doesn’t? What does prior consciousness have to do with ur argument? U implied that if it wasn’t conscious, it wasn’t human. So what’s ur point?
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  299. Rick Donato no I really don’t. That’s a very poor logic and adds nothing to ur defense. I wonder if people against slavery and the holocaust had others tell them the same thing.
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  300. Wizbif wadler lol
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  301. Moto Moto what the fuck is this even supposed to be about?
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  302. Tom Benfell why is the first month OK?
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  303. Remember to get ur logic formula.
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  304. Marscia Martinez-Mendoza person is a legal term not a scientific one and as such as not relevant. The Nazis didn’t call Jews people. So at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.
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  305. tayietu g not necessarily. It’s a basis on why would u be against killing criminals but be for killing babies? It also stems from the issue with the social contract where once when u infringe on the lives of others, you lose your own rights.
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  306. tayietu g To an extent I would believe that if the evidence is questionable then yes death penalty is a bit out of whack but if there is undeniable evidence tracing it back to an individual than that is when the death penalty would be acceptable and I also believe it’s waited on how much of the crime is committed. Involuntary manslaughter obviously does not deserve the death penalty to the same extent that someone shooting up a school would deserve
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  307. Miriyam Kogan that is scientifically incorrect. U can because the basis of defending human rights versus animals are 2 separate issues. Otherwise pro choice vegans are just as bad of hypocrites.
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  308. Annaleec May Wright u can buy a condom pack for 12 bucks. If u can not afford to pay 12 bucks for a package of condoms, u don’t belong having sex and taking that risk.
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  309. Addison Michelle what the hell are u talking about?
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  310. yes it is. My vote, abort the leftists, not the babies.
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  311. because they are fun.
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  312. Brandon B what?
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  313. Brandon B oh
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  314. It is sad. It is why I am pro life to the end.
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  315. M what?
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  316. Sarah Levine such as?
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  317. Sarah Levine a little bit
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  318. care to explain how?
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  319. it’s kara who?
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  320.  @itsjustus1690  She isn't really shoving. They can walk away if they wish.
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  321. it’s kara not really. Just a little too confrontational.
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  322. True. But they won't because they knew their sense of self righteousness would be destroyed if they did.
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  323.  @firstlast-sm6hx  So? Why would it not be put with the same rights as everyone else? Also not having an abstract idea of death does not make it ok to kill u. A newborn doesn't know death either, does it make killing them ok?
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  324. first last someone who is given the death penalty has already committed a crime in most cases resulting in the death of another innocent human being once when you take the life of another innocent human being you are losing your own right to live this is a byproduct of the social contract
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  325. first last OK so are you saying that killing newborns is OK?
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  326. first last I don’t think u want to go down the route of justifying a newborns death. Again I’m not concerned about the psychological damages of death when you did in action that caused it, when a criminal kills another innocent human being they know what they have in store for them within the worst case scenario why do you think crime is avoided in most cases?
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  327. wizard of id true
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  328. I bet u would.
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  329. Fireballant9 who? And how so?
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  330. Tropical Skitlz what?
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  331. Ave Kapy she more than likely would
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  332. nvm. I realized u were using example.
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  333. sofia duran ur correct, one kills criminals, the other children.
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  334. Axel Wallace because she doesn’t subscribe to pro choice? Also no it’s not their bodies. It’s the unborn child’s body
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  335. Jessica Ettestad no not really
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  336.  @jessicaettestad2812  Consequences of choice, not by our existence.
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  337.  @jessicaettestad2812  So what would your solution be then?
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  338. isabelle anderson you don’t have to watch her you know
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  339. isabelle anderson is she? A little. But still avoidable.
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  340. Fabi McLeod proof?
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  341. Leslie Vosburg how so? What is she doing wrong?
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  342. Leslie Vosburg really. There are plenty of problems people can have with something. So I would like to know what ur problem is.
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  343. Kissmore M yep
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  344. Fred what woman’s rights? Such as?
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  345.  @fred9221  define all
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