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Comments by "King Orange" (@kingorange7739) on "Heated debate as woman confronts anti-abortion protesters | Channel 4 News" video.

@PastelAurora7 what door are they blocking? 😂
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@PastelAurora7 proof to that? Also they aren’t stopping people from entering, simply providing info
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Protect the life of the child.
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@jefflawrence5835 So you have nothing to prove they are religious zealots. You are simply saying that based on them protesting an abortion clinic?
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ericmeyr it is not her body
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They never will. And it’s a good thing too.
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@jefflawrence5835 how are they religious zealots?
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@jefflawrence5835 conception, from a biological perspective. Hbu?
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@jefflawrence5835 that’s not even a counter argument. I don’t recall degrading u based on ur position
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A P your decisions related to the murder of babies is all of our business.
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All ur points are correct except one. It is a human being.
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Ok not ur body not ur decision. It’s the child’s
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Laura Dunca good. We’re glad they feel guilty for murdering another human being. It is not their body we are talking about. It is the body of the baby.
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@cyril8084 yes it is
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@cyril8084 fetus definition: an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception. This speaks for itself
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@kellz5135 yes it is. What kind of bullshit is coming out of ur mouth?
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@kellz5135 really. Do tell me, how is a Fetus not alive? Hmm?
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@jefflawrence5835 how did I refuse to answer it?
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@jefflawrence5835 they are regarded as an individual though. By definition. Literally the definition of person is an individual human being. Or “a human being regarded as an individual.” So I don’t understand where u r trying to challenge that from?
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@jefflawrence5835 which I do believe it’s immoral.
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Not really no
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Jakub Bohaty how so?
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Jakub Bohaty I mean that is her job. So that doesn’t make any sense
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Yeah, it’s a good myth.
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sythe mccoy really how so?
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What? So you consider a protest or simply presenting info to be intimidating? 😂
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@Lion___ where in this video did they scare anyone? They stood and provided information. I don’t think In any definition that can be considered spreading fear
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Anime Girl nope, not even a little bit. U can explain why if u think otherwise.
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Jenna H no we care about her well being which is why improvement in medicines for pregnant woman exist. We just don’t want a baby murdered.
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allison c it’s not ur right to murder another human being.
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Haha haha. No
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So they are nuts for protesting an abortion clinic? 😂
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Henok Berhane I don’t have a body? What r u talking about? Also I never said it was. So what’s ur point?
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Daylox 47 and for good reason
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Because it is killing an unborn child
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Frederica Bimble Define harassment.
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Frederica Bimble Also calling pro life members Fascists is honestly hilarious to me.
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Tell her what?
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@Monkeys So you don't classify a baby as a child?
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@Monkeys Baby Definition: a very young child.
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@Monkeys Yes it does. Born or not born, it is still a baby.
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@Monkeys Hahahaha. The stage of the mother is a pregnancy yes. But there is obviously a human being in there. It doesn't magically become something else through a birth canal.
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It’s not a right to kill another innocent human being
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@bookworm1946 how so? Care to present an actual counter argument?
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@bookworm1946 so being here to discuss and debate. To have discourse with those who would disagree somehow makes me a troll? I don’t think you know what a troll means. My online name? So because I am a YouTuber? Also you may be surprised on minds being changed. If you’re coming in closed minded, that’s not going to be helpful for anyone
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@iqveryhigh8992 a fetus is Latin for unborn child/offspring. It is effectively a baby. Keep deluding ur self
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@iqveryhigh8992 yes and? There is a thing called translation. U speak English yet u try to use a Latin term. Ah the irony.
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@iqveryhigh8992 a different stage of development, yes. But still the same being
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@iqveryhigh8992 Life begins at conception dumbass. Ever taken a biology class? Secondly do you even know what alive means?
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@iqveryhigh8992 No, I already asked u this question. U do not get to turn around and answer a question with a question. That is dodging your flawed logic. So tell me, what is the definition of alive and living?
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@iqveryhigh8992 not necessarily bad. But you realize that organ function begins at a cellular level. Being alive in the simplest terms is the growth, regeneration, and function of cells within a single organism.
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@iqveryhigh8992 within a single organism. Yes a fetus is very much alive. Do tell me what makes u think it isn’t?
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@iqveryhigh8992 ok then by that logic, prove that we are alive.
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@iqveryhigh8992 because they multiply? U mean the cells multiply? Elaborate.
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@iqveryhigh8992 also metabolism is not a good line to use when there is a lack of clarity of when it even starts. Once again, as far as we know, that can start at conception as well.
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@iqveryhigh8992 so let me get this straight. Your trying to use a stomach as a means of proving something alive? 😂
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@iqveryhigh8992 ok. But again, there is a difference between correlation and causation. As you mentioned a human being can and has survived without it. So trying to use that as a line is not only being ignorant of factors such as cellular development, heart beat, and brain activity. But it also isn’t even consistent
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@iqveryhigh8992 not to mention it’s not even a good line to use. If we were to imply the chemical process in which a fetus needs to survive. That occurs on day 1.
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@iqveryhigh8992 such as?
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Jose Torres that’s what we try to do
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Bernhard riemann appears so.
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Shivani then if pro choice cared about kids then maybe they would stop murdering them.
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Who
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@jefflawrence5835 hahahaha, bud that’s not how that works. And it’s not her body they are trying to govern. Also you’re confusing extremists with opposition.
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@jefflawrence5835 ok how is the problem with personhood as a concept. Is that it exists as a legal classification, so often that depends on the nation in question. But if we went by the technical definition. Then I would argue conception too. Since a person is referred to as an individual human being
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@jefflawrence5835 ok and what do u consider that distinction?
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@jefflawrence5835 I don't believe there is a major distinction. If we are speaking from a purely biological and moral perspective.
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@jefflawrence5835 person definition is: a human being regarded as an individual.
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@jefflawrence5835 I already gave you a definition. I do not understand why you are refusing to accept it
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@jefflawrence5835 and I wouldn’t rather go around in anything. I am just as interested in hearing ur logic out, something I have asked for multiple times. I don’t think it’s fair to make assumptions when u r yet to answer any questions or explain ur position
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@jefflawrence5835 the fact that the individual is alive as a individual human being.
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@jefflawrence5835 ok and why would consciousness or prior consciousness matter in this case? I wouldn’t even consider prior to matter as a completely brain dead individual is regarded as effectively dead. But even current, to what degree would u argue they would need consciousness
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@jefflawrence5835 i don’t currently have a position on that yet.
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@jefflawrence5835 ok so minimal level of consciousness, so would we be able to agree that the capacity to feel pain is a small level of consciousness
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@jefflawrence5835 ok why should it be? Why should the states not be a determinating factor when nowhere in the constitution grants abortion as a right. And no I don’t, because I’m not going to take a position I haven’t done in depth research on yet.
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@jefflawrence5835 very well, u do the same
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who?
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As are we
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?
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@shianemi7595 Can u elaborate?
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Michael Tarren Scott what the heck are u talking about?
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donald stewart that’s not giving fascists enough credit. Even fascist parties are against abortion.
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@glittercupcake13 ur right to life does not equal ur right to be provides for by a third party. What kind of bullshit is coming out of ur mouth?
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@kellz5135 right so if u require a respirator to breathe then, u don’t have a right to live? By ur logic
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@kellz5135 Really, so it does not require a human being to make a respirator to breathe in?
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@kellz5135 um actually it is partially by burden. For a doctor once choosing to be a doctor is obligated to his patient within the oath. And it is pretty much comparable. Sorry that u fall into double standards
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@kellz5135 Ok just like a mother chose to get herself pregnant and knew the potential consequences coming in when doing the thing that gets one pregnant. And the solution u put with the children that suffer, is to actually work to fix the problem, not use it as an excuse to kill them. People suffered back in slavery as well. Does that mean a final solution to the slave question would of been a better alternative?
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@kellz5135 Like seriously, ur logic is things are hard for them so they just deserve to die instead? And ur questioning my moral judgement? Lol.
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@kellz5135 ok I think this is where I’ll be done. If u can’t do a discussion without resorting to pointless insult then u don’t need to be here. Sweetheart I could say the same of u given ur general inconsistencies and contradictions with double standards. I don’t because I keep respect in the arguments. Also newsflash moral grounds do hold relevance. All it takes is enough to think that way. Or did u forget we live in Republics?
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What? 😂
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Dan Williams neither can a person on life support. Should they be murdered?
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You seriously think it’s not shameful to kill a child?
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@Monkeys anti Semitic now? Also we are all clumps of cells. Your point?
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@Monkeys so you don’t value human life at all
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@Monkeys ok and what is ur reason of valuing it?
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@Monkeys so literally the fact they aren’t born is the reason you don’t value them. Location? So they could literally be in the same stage of development but you would value one and not the other based on the arbitrary notion of location?
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Will Dwyer that doesn’t make any sense and embryo and a fetus is just a stage of development
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Will Dwyer it’s still a human being
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Iain Rae he never created a perfect world here u know. That is what heaven is for.
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sythe mccoy little to no side effects. BS. It involves the murder of a baby! Also it has been proven that there is less than a 1% chance of a mother dying in childbirth. Invalid argument
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sythe mccoy also abortion is not safe when it is killing a human being. That makes no sense.
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sythe mccoy also if she chooses to risk her death through an illegal abortion that is her own problem. Society should not bend to those that violate laws.
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sythe mccoy yes and a fetus is still a human being.
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sythe mccoy define suffering. But a baby should not be punished for the sins and crimes of his or her father. So no rape victims should not be allowed to abort their babies either. Also by bringing up rape, are you advocating that in every other case it is unacceptable and should be illegal?
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sythe mccoy Multiple different things, first off if you’re advocating that abortion is OK in any circumstance than the rape argument is just being used as an excuse. Secondly most pro-life members are perfectly OK with procedures being done to save the mothers life even if it does mean unintentionally killing the baby. Third statistically only one out of 3500 mothers would die in childbirth within first world countries.
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sythe mccoy also finally as a personal condolences, I am sorry about your loss
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sythe mccoy because the sperm by itself does not create a separate human being, it takes two to tango. Neither can an egg by itself which is why women don’t get arrested for severe periods.
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sythe mccoy Simple differences you leave a sperm to its natural course and it will die, you leave a fertilized egg to its natural course and it grows to a fully formed baby.
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sythe mccoy what?
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sythe mccoy again it should never be a woman’s choice to murder. That is indefensible.
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@sythe2802 um no a fetus is a seperate human being already. That is unfactual. also what are u talking about the cell argument? U are making no sense.
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@sythe2802 No I'm not, what of it?
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sythe mccoy I don’t have too. The same way I don’t have to speak for someone who wants to murder. Ur missing the point.
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sythe mccoy abortion would go through significant decrease when made legal. Yes some would still try back alley abortions but if they do it knowing the risk then tough luck on them. We shouldn’t prevent laws from existing just because some won’t follow them. Makes no sense. Also over a million abortions are performed per year. So even if say 50,000 abortions still existed that is still 950,000 babies being saved.
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sythe mccoy not on ur watch? R u listening to ur self? Do u seriously like the idea of more dead babies?
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sythe mccoy how does that make any sense? U r literally telling me that u r ok with the death of 950,000 babies per year. That it doesn’t bother u at all that all those babies are deprived of life for simply convenience of a mother?
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sythe mccoy u would care if u got murdered. Also that logic makes no sense. Define not caring since by the time a fetus can feel pain or even have responsive nerves, it actively rejects harm being done to it. So how does that make any sense either?
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sythe mccoy also that’s not even an argument. Someone who gets killed in their sleep wouldn’t care either. Does that mean it should be allowed?
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sythe mccoy I believe in God.
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sythe mccoy wow no answer? That’s fun. Guess u realized how futile ur argument is.
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How so?
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Nothing?
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RoyalTuxedo I could say the same about the civil rights movements. I guess they just needed to get a life.
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Sadly yes
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Exactly lol
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What? 😂
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TheMetalmaniac68 murder of babies does not make sense.
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TheMetalmaniac68 u can speak for her child, that isn’t her body.
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And what if you don’t care about what it says? Especially when it contradicts basic biology that has been proven. Also to note that the Bible was not written by God.
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state924 who?
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😂
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Jenna H it has equal value to u and it is not ur right to murder it based on ur convenience.
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@infoihh8383 u clearly do not understand the definition if u r seriously trying to compare a fetus to a parasite. A. Parasite is that of a different species. And B. A parasitic relation would only have one party benefit at the complete expense of the other. However that is not the case with pregnancy as it’s been proven women actually recieve a lot of health benefits both during and after. It’s actually a form of mutualism.
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@infoihh8383 also relying on another source to live does not invalidate ur own life. Otherwise a hospital would own urs.
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Maggie Mackay pathetic. Can’t handle hearing the truth that u are murdering babies?
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@cyril8084 which is still a human being. So you really aren’t correcting anything
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U must be joking
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VeggieNugget getting pregnant is not ur fault in the case of rape. Killing the baby because of it is.
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Gamer Respawn we are both but pro quality of life begins with life. U can’t have a good quality of life if you’re murdered.
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Um why?
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@baka._.9502 what?
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So I’m awful then? Ok tell me how?
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@rmac8737 standing outside an abortion clinic explaining what is actually being done and how it’s damaging is neither harassment nor abuse. I suggest researching definitions. Also what they went through is irrelevant when are terminating the life of another human being
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@punkrose1310 um yes it does
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@punkrose1310 Children as a legal term is irrelevant. Scientifically, they are classified as either a member of the human species before age of maturity or as a stage within the human development. Yes, they may not be children in development but are in terms of classification. Human beings before adulthood count as children. Also which body integrity rights are you referring to?
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@punkrose1310 I was asking for your elaboration. Not that I did not know what they were. Now here is a simple counter to this notion. A body autonomy could only be used as provocation to remove the fetus, not kill it. Which is what an abortion is. An abortion is a deliberate termination, not a passive removal. Which gets to point 2, the mother already made the choice to have the child. Once when that choice is made, they cannot kill the child just out of changing their mind. The same way that a blood donor cannot turn around and try to take back their blood or kill the patient in need of it.
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I can’t stand pro abortionists. They think they can do what they want regardless of how it harms others. Who do u think u r, to tear a child apart and sucking them through a vacuum. Newsflash to u, pro life ain’t telling u what to do with ur body (despite the fact other laws do that anyway) age of consent and masks hitting yet?
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Also I’m sorry, at least we don’t play god trying to say which humans beings count and which don’t.
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I like to call pro choicers pro abortion and anti life. Your point?
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@clairefrier2353 firstly I don’t believe it’s intellectually honest to even attempt to use the what if rape argument. Considering most of the time, pro choicers are more than ok Abortion even if it wasn’t rape. Which means they are using a statistical anomaly to attempt to justify the majority of cases which is not only intellectually dishonest but I would also argue extremely manipulative
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@clairefrier2353 ok and as I mentioned are you prepare to concede that abortion outside of rape, the 85% that do it for pure life style convenience. Are you prepared to say those are wrong and should not be allowed. If not, then once again you are using a statistical anomaly to attempt to justify the other cases. I never said rape didn’t happen, I only explained that they make up an extreme small percentage of total abortion cases
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A little psychotic
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laurawashereⓋ ur right, not ur body, not ur choice. I don’t like killing babies and neither should u.
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lotee nope. It’s not their bodies in question. It’s not their bodies being ripped apart and sucked in a vacuum. That’s the baby’s body and the baby does not consent to being killed.
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zivkovicable hey baby by technical definition is a stage of development another word that you could apply with a fetus is an unborn baby since that’s technically what it is it is still that if a human being it’s just at a different stage of development
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@dybvlogs8667 except it is. Bud do you even know what Fetus means?
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