Comments by "King Orange" (@kingorange7739) on "So, Hitler was a Communist in early 1919" video.

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@slaterslater5944 Wow. not surprised that you resort to such insults even with a new individual arguing in very good faith. And you wonder why no one will ever agree with you.
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@slaterslater5944 so u haven’t paid attention to over 6 months of this very debate? 🤦‍♂️
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@MrReco12 which is something TIK himself explains
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How is he trolling?
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@slaterslater5944 once again that’s not an argument
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@slaterslater5944 Oh please. To you anything is "Inventing a strawman" or "does not know what he is talking about" as soon as anyone says something that goes against your pathetic narrative. I bet you say that to the same people that are not devoted Marxists.
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@slaterslater5944 "So? Do you really not understand that "free market" is a sort of capitalism?! Name a free market economy." - No market has ever reached 100% free thanks to state meddling. The closet that it came to in recent times was Hong Kong. However even that sadly is fading away. "Why are you ignoring the fact that your assertion that the definition capitalism is "private control. Not ownership" has been roundly disproved?" - None of it has been disproved. As mentioned before, if you can't control what you own and literally have a legal body that can take it away for arbitrary reasons as Nazi Germany could. Then you don't truly own it. "Or are you going to do your usual dishonest trick of talking in circles or flat out denying your claim instead?" - The only one being dishonest here is you.
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@slaterslater5944 ".. And that's why free market Capitalism isn't the only form, just the most extreme" - And why would you think socialism wouldn't share such different forms either? "(and totally unworkable) one." - Not even close. "Notice that only one of the FOUR definitions I have posted so far mentions "free market", but they all mention private owners. You wouldn't just be trying to find something to wriggle round your discredited claim, as I predicted, would you?" - You asked for definitions and considering that you tried to play the numbers game I might as well point out that plenty of definitions contradict your narrative. "None of it has been disproved" "Hmm.. Let's recap on what you asserted : "It's a good thing capitalism's definition specifically highlights that it is about control, not ownership " From the Oxford dictionary : "an economic system in which a country's businesses and industry are controlled and run for profit by *private owners*. " - And you seriously think that the economy was controlled by private owners when the state was imposing wage control, price control, resource control, price commissars, state land reforms, quotas, and redistribution of businesses that were either Jewish or those that refused to do the government's mandates? Yeah bullshit. "Nothing has been disproved, eh? Righto!" - It is right, glad you agree.
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@slaterslater5944 "My" narrative that Capitalism is private ownership and control of the means of production? - That required owners to control said means of production. "But even without one, I have disproven the assertion that "capitalism's definition specifically highlights that it is about control, not ownership " by posting FOUR definitions that do no such thing! can you post ONE definition that does?" - Multiple. Oxford Definition: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state. Merriam Webster Definition: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. Investopedia comparison between Capitalism and Socialism: Capitalism is based on individual initiative and favors market mechanisms over government intervention, while socialism is based on government planning and limitations on private control of resources. Vocabulary Website Definition: Capitalism is an economic system featuring the private ownership of business wealth and the free and unfettered operation of trade markets Yourdictionary website Definition: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled mostly by private individuals and businesses for profit, thus what is produced and the quantities thereof are determined by consumer demand and competition. Oxford Learning Dictionary Definition: an economic system in which a country’s businesses and industry are controlled and run for profit by private owners rather than by the government. Thought Co Article Definition: Capitalism is an economic system that emerged in Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries in which private companies, rather than the state, control trade and industry. Capitalism is organized around the concept of capital (the ownership and control of the means of production by those who employ workers to produce goods and services). In practical terms, this creates an economy built on the competition between private businesses that seek to make a profit and grow. Need I go on? "Why are you arguing from an arbitrary definition of Capitalism that you have invented?" - I invented? Even though these are definitions founded in sources. So no, I did not invent it. "This is classic TIK Argumentum Ad Humpty Dumptum." - No, it really isn't. "That is irrelevant to the fact that your assertion: "It's a good thing capitalism's definition specifically highlights that it is about control, not ownership" - That makes it very much relevant. If the state is controlling the economy then it is obviously not being controlled by private owners, private sector, or free market. Trying to assert that a free market would fall under the same camp as Hitler's National Socialism is a slippery slope at best and down right delusional at worst. The trade and industry must be controlled by private owners for it to be capitalism. Not by a state.
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@slaterslater5944 "EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS YOU POSTED MENTION PRIVATE OWNERSHIP!" - And nowhere did I say they didn't. But you are cherrypicking part of the definition that highlights the importance of them controlling it. "Merriam Webster Definition: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods," "vocabulary Website Definition: Capitalism is an economic system featuring the private ownership " "Yourdictionary website Definition: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled mostly by private individuals Oxford Learning Dictionary Definition: an economic system in which a country’s businesses and industry are controlled and run for profit by private owners rather than by the government. " Which of those definitions do you imagine supports your assertion that: "capitalism's definition specifically highlights that it is about control, not ownership "' Didn't you notice the words "private" and "owner" in EVERY SINGLE DEFINITION YOU POSTED? What on earth is wrong with you? 🤣😅🤣🤣" - You. That is what is wrong, considering that yet again you are cherry picking part of the definition when you are missing the bigger picture. Nowhere did I say that it did not involve private owners. What I said is being a private owner alone does not make something capitalism when you don't control the property. Notice how all of them either directly state or imply the importance of control. Merriam - "that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market." Investopedia - " Capitalism is based on individual initiative and favors market mechanisms over government intervention" Oxford - "are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state." Yourdictionary - are owned and controlled mostly by private individuals and businesses for profit, Co Article - which private companies, rather than the state, control trade and industry. Do I need to seriously go on? Or are you going to use that brain of yours? Do I seriously need to break this down to you like your 11? Or are you ready to stop playing ignorant?
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That is something I myself am curious on as well. I would like his perspective of Hitler's operations as a spy in many of these parties. That was something I myself questioned.
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This is something I would like to see him address. It was a question I have been trying to ask him on
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@slaterslater5944 Go troll somewhere else.
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@slaterslater5944 once again, ur notion is to try to repeat a mistake I made 6 months ago? A mistake I myself even admitted to and acknowledged it came from Engels and not Marx? Ur inability to let go of anything only highlights further the insincerity of your arguments even further. And of course it’s funny that u didn’t even deny my assumption that you are likely a Marxist which is why you would subscribe to the notions of Labor Theory of Value, or calling Capitalism inherently exploitive somehow, or perhaps even when you try to act as if “State Capitalism.” Isn’t Oxymoronic. I can just as easily call out your bullshit. But unlike you, I make debate about the topic at hand not about the other person. Also the fact you refuse to even go on stream for a debate against this other guy just highlights your lack of seriousness even further. It’s literally the tactics of a troll
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@slaterslater5944 And here comes your next strawman to act like profit generation alone makes something capitalist. Despite the fact that nowhere does socialism say it can't generate a profit.
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@slaterslater5944 And a state mandated system like what the Nazis has is not a free market. And as mentioned before, it calls for control over said thing since again if you can’t control it, you don’t truly have ownership over it
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@slaterslater5944 control by private owners you dumb fuck. How r u not getting this. Owning something by itself is meaningless if u have no control over said property you own. And many of capitalism’s definitions highlight this very basic fact. And I already know u can’t be dumb enough not to get it, which leads me to ask again for the 60th time. R u seriously resorting to troll tactics again
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@slaterslater5944 Do you really need to watch the 5 hour video again?
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@slaterslater5944 once again. Nice try on denial yet again. It’s a shame your reading comprehension is so low. Speaking of I’m yet to see a refute to the last comment in the other thread. Such a shame that your Marxist perception of reality doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
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@slaterslater5944 clearly you couldn’t read it the first time. When are you going to apologize for being a Dishonest Marxist Troll? Again I can only break down the terms so many times. And despite clearly breaking down the significance of control within each definition, you still argue about it. It’s not my fault that your limited brain can’t interpret anything.
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