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Comments by "King Orange" (@kingorange7739) on "Did Stalin seek a Separate Peace with Hitler in WW2? | TIK Q&A 21" video.
feereel unfortunately what the ambassador says is kinda bs
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Q&A TIk. I was curious to know on what decisions could of been done differently in Operation Barbarossa that would result in Germany have the advantage over the Soviets in 1942. Would there had been a way for the Germans to take the Caucasus in 1941? Also if I could sneak a second question in, how much help would it have been for the Germans if the Japanese invaded the Soviets from the east? Thanks man and keep up the awesome work.
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Omega Alpha I appreciate that. And dude I know no single decision would’ve won or lost them the war. Considering how close both sides were in that situation, yeah it’s never clear. That’s why I’ve been trying to do research on Barbarossa because ik the Germans made a lot of mistakes both before and during the Operation and I’ve just been trying to find evidence to provide an answer that had things been done differently could of resulted in victory.
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Omega Alpha also I said decisions not decision. Ik no single decision could of won them the war.
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The Colonel So do you think the Germans had any chance at beating the Soviets?
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John Smith well if Russia was already destroyed, Germany would then be able to take on the US.
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Messor1985 within the early war. Lend lease did not contribute much however by 1943 was essential to prevent an economic collapse.
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Messor1985 anti soviet fakes? Dude TIK has already made multiple videos about the Soviet economic situation with sources to back it. Ur clearly not gaining a grasp on where Soviet economic factors were being destroyed or captured. For one, much of its industry within the western parts was being taken by the Germans, many Soviet troops were being lost, the Ukraine fell so the Soviets ended up with a good crisis, and by mid 1942, there was a serious risk of the Caucasus falling that would result in the Soviets no longer being able to get new stocks of oil.
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Messor1985 also no offense ur sounding like a little Soviet fan boy if ur going to try to act like they had no danger in the war at all. Or subscribe to the dumbass belief that no country could conquer it.
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Messor1985 I never said that the USSR self would collapse but for literally any country if you lose 40% of your economic assets and productivity that is on average enough to collapse the economy. Now I will state this just because the USSR suffers an economic collapse does not mean instantly that it’s done fighting I’m only saying that the desperation of its economics dictated that had Germany won the battle of Stalingrad and the fall Blau campaign that it would’ve been very likely that the Soviets would end up not having enough resources in order to continue the war while simultaneously supplying in feeding its people. I mean you are a go look at that after the fall of Ukraine which was literally considered out the time the bread basket of Europe, that the USSR was struggling defeat its own people and that many people joined the Soviet army and hope that the food rations would be better only to find out that it wasn’t. Like I said take us already made a lot of videos talking about the stuff with documentation to back it. I would highly recommend checking those out. Also you do realize that one lease was the main reason why a second front wasn’t launched in 1943 just saying.
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Messor1985 i’m not arguing at the USSR‘s feet post war however much of that did stem from the situation that they were put in in the things that they gained postwar not a bunch of perspective I do want to source that indicates that lend lease was only a total of 4% of the Soviets total production I was even with that 4% and you do have to be aware that this is the total production of the US the source capabilities developed the entire world which by 1943 was heavily increased but during the first two years of 1941 into Germany was invading the USSR at a time when it wasn’t ready to be invaded it wasn’t ready to withstand a fight like that and while at the end of the day they made the most with everything they had and that combined with the mistakes Germany made Resulted in them coming out on top. However the basis is not just numerical as much of the things the USSR produced wow could be produced in mass numbers technologically speaking was inferior to much of the Germans production. At least up until late war. And I think you’re overestimating the base is that the western countries never intended to take out the USSR yes do you want this or had a major base defense within the eastern bloc however much of that stem from the fact that they literally just finished a war against Germany with their full Mike dedicated to that while the US and Britain on the other hand were only using partial up their military might to defeat Germany meaning by the time postwar happen there were going to be enough troops stationed in western Europe which was the main thing that was going to keep them from attacking the USSR following that. At the end of the day if the western Europe were dedicated enough to taking out the USSR, they would have the capabilities to do so as the Soviet production does not surpass that of the United States and by 1945 their production was pretty much equal that combined with the US Naval advantage which prevents the west SR from getting resources overseas does allow a stranglehold and that is not even factoring the nuclear monopoly the US possessed in 1945. I can you were trying to subscribe to the math basis that the USSR was always this great super power throughout the entire time when it wasn’t the USSR became a super power during torture it wasn’t always one people before that yes it was a powerful country and had a lot of advantages going for it. But they weren’t advantages that other countries couldn’t deal with. And at the end of the day, the main thing that allowed the USSR to beat Germany was not its own might but rather the supply and logistic weaknesses of Germany stacking up. Something that was made worse by Germany’s own mistakes. However the USSR’s might and military advantage did not come till later in the war and took time to build. Even by Stalin’s own admission, the Soviets were not ready for open war against the Germans till at least 1942, and that was in best case scenario where the Germans never attacked them. At the end of the day, attrition saved the USSR. Not their military, not their tactics, but simply that they could take more hits than punches the Germans threw. And considering the Germans missed some of those punches. It’s no secret which one tired out faster
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Messor1985 trying to say that Western Europe and USA couldn’t kill the USSR when they didn’t even try to also lacks sense.
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Messor1985 hmm I’ll join the group chat though if u have one. Just let me know. I like good debstes
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Messor1985 thanks
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Messor1985 i’m curious if you’re some sort of Marxist.
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BB no not really. He is saying that they were helping the Germans for their own reason. That doesn’t hold them accountable for crimes they didn’t commit
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Mladen Matosevic yes but here’s the problem with that assessment. The second front was becoming a necessity due to the Soviet economic position.
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