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Comments by "" (@retagainez) on "I Interviewed Uncle Bob" video.
@eduantech It's not like Prime's point diverges too heavily away from Uncle Bob's. I would say he only lacks the compatible experience of writing TDD code or test cases in a way that he might find it hard to empathize or imagine certain "feelings" or judging things based on "smell/feel" as Bob describes. But the principles are quite close, especially with the thoughts on Agile. Though Prime has had a viewpoint against TDD and can't empathize with it much, I don't think it weighed down the discussion. Bob was well-spoken even when Prime was confused and did a good job of translating to topics/scenarios Prime could grasp and even agree with. I would argue that both Prime and Bob would arrive at a similar end point (if he isn't convinced already), just as Bob and his peers did in 2001. It is rooted in wisdom more than experience in a corporate/business world. I primarily think the direction that Prime's life has mostly influenced his little exposure and insight into TDD. If you give him years of the same kind of exposure I feel that the world would steer him towards TDD anyway. For the purposes of being a streamer full time I will contrastingly say that TDD is probably the LEAST entertaining topic, except for those who are truly passionate about writing test cases and working in such a way outside of a professional context. It doesn't make money, TDD has never been the thing that makes money on its own.
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@laden6675 no, he did a good job. he led bob to build his own arguments even when he disagrees with them. this comes from a person who is highly critical of prime in many instances.
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Sometimes he also says things for views. Not that he doesn't actually disagree with the idea, but I'm more than sure he will come off as more opinionated than not
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I would definitely like to see Prime pair up with Bob. It would set aside many differences and focus on the real meat of what it means to discuss software development
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Right, a salesman that reluctantly brings up a book he doesn't think will even interest many people. Truly, the mark of an over-enthusiastic friendly salesman...
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Most of all, he did not create many of these ideas. He just groups them together and re-explains what he learned from others. To talk to one another is to discover how little you know. It's a thoughtful direction for Prime to go into to bring such a guest on and dedicate an entire hour to. I truly think that his separation from the business world, like Netflix, has given him a clearer viewpoint on many matters as of late.
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I expect writing a book is similar, based on what I've seen from some authors that livestream their book writing. Now, reading a book is much different. It is an experience, one meant to immerse and obscure the structure in order to make it least predictable. But, to write a book, I feel that some authors wrangle their own complex structure for writing by managing it in these sections/modules.
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I don't know Bob's viewpoint on communism, but I certainly can see it as an insult to compare the work of engineers to what many Americans (especially older Americans) consider a failed ideology. A bit tasteless even in jest.
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But the planning upfront thing he describes is more of a learning experience than generating an entire diagram describing a solution. Maybe it's an artifact from the UML days, but I think it's a bit heavy handed to call it "planning upfront" when it's more like describing a napkin sketch on a post-it note or a temporary drawing on a whiteboard. This is done less frequently and still consumes a very small amount of time compared to the actual time spent writing the code. I would say his explanation of it is a much more lightweight interpretation of planning, not meant to bog down the coder. The entire waterfall approach is in reality more reminiscent of heavy upfront planning because of having less access to frequent deployments.
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New company, if you can.
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Yes, I commonly hear the mis-categorization of agile to be a "noun," a thing to sell to project managers, rather than simply to be "clean" or "agile." It depends on how people interpret and sell it. Look at writing of the original authors and you will see it has soft points, few or no hard limits. It is meant to be vague. You could say it all equates to having "good manners", but that's not as catchy and sounds more parental. "Professional" sounds too corporate. It's hard to express things in English in a singular way to everybody.
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Most of all, you don't have automated testing. But you still can structure and re-read a book/newspaper article.
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I would say polite and maybe slightly intimidated. I think it might be intimidating to see Bob laugh so frequently and intentionally during some of the arguments. But, maybe, he's just trying to make it feel less serious and more open to discussion with that. Whereas Prime is taking it a bit more serious because he's trying to purposefully understand. The ending was extremely awkward though, I got a laugh out of it.
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