Comments by "Theodore Shulman" (@ColonelFredPuntridge) on "FORGOTTEN HISTORY"
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@debbied7035 If, as you say, she said, "over and over how bad she thought blacks and other races were", then you should be able to cite at least one book in which she writes that, or one lecture in which she said it. Date, and location, of the lecture, or, title, and chapter, of the book, please, no un-sourced quotations. I'll wait.
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@grimjoker5572
RE: "You didn't take an action you knew would make another person dependent on your circulatory system. There for this is a false analogy. "
It's not an analogy at all! You brought up the issue of not losing your uterus. My point is it doesn't matter whether you lose part of your body by sustaining the other person. Lose or not lose, it's your body and you get to decide whose life to sustain and shelter inside it, and when, and how long.
You keep trying to portray the aborted fetus as a victim of wrongdoing. That's wrong. An aborted fetus gets a few days or weeks of womb-time, during which its life is supported by the insides of another person's body, without it (the fetus) having to put in any effort or do any work. That's not a harm; that is an affirmative benefit. If the woman gets an abortion, the time from conception to abortion is still an affirmative benefit, a gift to the fetus, just not as big a one as you might like. So you are like someone who gets a gift of ten dollars, and curses the giver for not having given a hundred. "But I needed a hundred dollars, you bastard!" The right answer is : that may be, but you're only getting ten dollars from me. My gift, from inside my body, so my rules.
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@ellielynn8219 Yes, you can look up her quotes, and when you do, you will see that in context they mean something entirely different from what they appear to mean when quoted out of context. For instance, the line about "the most merciful thing a large family does with a newborn baby is to kill it" is a sarcastic comment about the enormous child-mortality rate in families which have more children than they can afford to raise and look after. You wouldn't know that unless you read the essay it appeared in. And the line "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the N* population" doesn't mean that she wants to exterminate anyone; it means that she is concerned that someone might think, wrongly, or say, falsely, that she wanted to. (As this video does!) There were plenty of people who did want to, in her time, and she didn't want to be mistaken for one of them. This is obvious in context.
Real history. Just imagine that!
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Thank you.
Margaret Sanger was an abortion-opponent. She turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics, and she described abortion as “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” "vicious,", "the wrong way", "taking a life", a “horror” in the same category as infanticide and child-abandonment, and "a disgrace to civilization." She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names." She said that the rights of unborn babies to protection were "no less imperative" than the rights of already-born children. She circulated an advertisement for her birth-control clinic which said: "MOTHERS! / Can you afford to have a large family? /Do you want any more children? / If not, why do you have them? / DO NOT KILL, / DO NOT TAKE LIFE / BUT PREVENT." She never advocated in any way for legalizing abortion. Planned Parenthood did not start doing abortions until after she had been dead for more than three years.
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Here are a few corrections to common lies about Margaret Sanger:
1. She OPPOSED abortion. She was pretty outspoken about it. Planned Parenthood didn't start doing abortions until she had been dead for more than three years.
2. She didn't want to exterminate any racial or ethnic group.
3. She didn't want government to forcibly sterilize anyone for being a member of any racial or ethnic group; also didn't want government to forcibly sterilize poor people for being poor.
4. She didn't like the Third Reich; she was writing about how awful they were as early as 1933.
5. She didn't speak at any KKK rally, and did not like the KKK. She addressed an indoor meeting of the women's auxiliary KKK once, in spite of her misgivings about them, because she was willing to try to find common ground with anyone, and she reported having the impression that her audience were all half-wits. She received numerous invitations to address them again, but declined all of them.
6. She didn't hate black people. The purpose of the N*gro Project was to help black Americans, by making birth control available to them and to inform them about it, so that they could stop having more children than they could afford to raise, which was the same agenda she had for everyone. The black community was insular and mistrustful of outsiders, so, bringing knowledge of birth control and its benefits to them presented a special challenge, so, they got a special project. Members of the N*gro Project's board of directors included W. E. B. DuBois (one of the founders of NAACP), Adam Clayton Powell (first black congressman to represent New York State in the US Congress) and Dr. John W. Lawlah (the Dean of the medical school at Howard University).
7. She didn't advocate any general policy of coercive eugenics. She argued that when birth control was widely available, people would choose freely how many children to have, and the results of their free choices would be eugenically beneficial to society, as more successful people, who could afford larger families than less successful people, would choose to breed more, increasing the occurrence of heritable traits conducive to success, in future generations.
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