Comments by "Vitaly L" (@vitalyl1327) on "5 Signs of an Inexperienced Self-Taught Developer (and how to fix)" video.
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@thes7450 web-schmeb, in my opinion this entire web development domain should have never existed, it's just so thoroughly broken. And specialisation exists for a good reason - it's the education system responsibility to produce fine-tuned specialists. Self-study plays a role too, surely, but again it should be done outside of the actual work environment. You cannot take, say, a web developer, put into a team of engineers working on the said ECG interface and expect him to learn all the mathematics required for DSP, to learn the control theory, to learn how to design robust fault-tolerant systems, etc.
SE graduate would have specialised in the final year, taking relevant courses to become a specialist in real-time control and sensor networks.
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@ivanf.8489 Only a very rare genius can learn from books entirely unguided. The missing part, something not available from the books, is the actual structure of learning, the order in which to learn things. And higher education does a good job in enforcing the right structure even when students are kicking and screaming that "we won't need all this irrelevant stuff".
For a knowledge to be absorbed into a comprehensive, gap-free system, it must be absorbed the right way, and so far nobody found how to teach this way other than in person. Scientific Method, of course, can be explained, but in order to learn to adopt it methodically and comprehensively one must be instructed through some long and counterintuitive steps.
Yes, self-taughts absolutely do skip the "boring" or seemingly irrelevant fundamentals - all the discrete mathematics, logic, philosophy, elementary physics, some basic calculus, etc. - but even if they did not, chances of absorbing it all into a proper systematic knowledge are low without a formal, structured instruction.
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@ivanf.8489 My answer was removed too, I'll try to repeat it again:
Only a very rare genius can learn from books entirely unguided. The missing part, something not available from the books, is the actual structure of learning, the order in which to learn things. And higher education does a good job in enforcing the right structure even when students are kicking and screaming that "we won't need all this irrelevant stuff".
For a knowledge to be absorbed into a comprehensive, gap-free system, it must be absorbed the right way, and so far nobody found how to teach this way other than in person. Scientific Method, of course, can be explained, but in order to learn to adopt it methodically and comprehensively one must be instructed through some long and counterintuitive steps.
Yes, self-taughts absolutely do skip the "boring" or seemingly irrelevant fundamentals - all the discrete mathematics, logic, philosophy, elementary physics, some basic calculus, etc. - but even if they did not, chances of absorbing it all into a proper systematic knowledge are low without a formal, structured instruction.
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@Frank00000 you're very obviously not a good engineer at all, and you've already provided a sufficient proof. Again, if you think that the overengineered crap like facebook is an exemplary engineering, you should not be allowed anywhere close to any real world engineering, never. You're clearly a self-taught, and it shows. Coding is the least important skill indeed, but communication is also not that important, especially communication with the lesser beings - and mind you, you're not even my subordinate, and you'll never pass the mark to become one, so you really should not expect a tiniest degree of politeness from me.
Once again, a self-taught cannot become an engineer, period. Maybe one in ten millions at most, some rare genius who managed to get all the fundamentals right without any guidance. You're not one in ten millions, clearly.
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