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@NOWHERE PEOPLE "I want you to tell me why they would repeatedly use deep fakes of multiple public figures across the world instead of the simpler time honoured techniques I listed? "
Yes, you don't understand what's going on here. I know. The techniques you listed aren't simpler. They are infinitely more complcated, time consuming, riskier and difficult to control.
"I ask because the only justification for this BIG claim
I haven't made a claim. I have shared a technical fact. It doesn't require your belief or denial. It's a technical fact.
"you’ve”politely” made"
Go to my original comment. Copy and paste anything that I said that was impolite in any way whatsoever. Explain to me exactly which words I typed that triggered you into stalking and harrasing me for hours on end
"is that it causes ppl who believe it to disengage from reality and the entire news cycle and the public servants and real people who need to be held publicly accountable for their actions."
Yes, somebody needs to be held accountable for this psychotic evil. But you can't hold a non-existent digital avatar responsible for crimes.
"Yes politicians and celebs can be “puppets” and bought off and owned by powerful ppl without a public profile."
Yes, of course. That's the very reason for their existence. They are put into position to act as puppets. But they were replaced with deep fake cgi two years ago. That's a fact no matter how difficult you find it to process and accept.
"Doesn’t mean there isn’t a paper trail."
There you go. You're getting warmer. Stop hounding me with the silly subjective "why" and instead establish the cold, hard, objective facts. I've answered dozens of your questions for you. Now answer ONE of mine. What official business has Boris passed through Parliament from December 2019 onwards over the last two and a half years since he became the most powerful PM in history...? What is the paper trail for official business signed off in Parliament?I don't care what you personally think or believe or understand. What are the cold, hard, objective facts of what is going on here? Any citizen can easily and quickly access this officially published information.
"Descending into an “everything is deep fake” mentality"
I haven't descended into anything and I haven't shared anything about my thoughts or beliefs. The politicians on your Screen are deep fake. That is a technical fact not a mental thought or theory.
"is putting people back to sleep"
Sharing factual evidence is not putting people back to sleep. You are furiously trying to get people to ignore the facts I am sharing and go back into their Screen deluding coma. What is your agenda for that, eh?
"while the agenda continues unimpeded."
The agenda continues unimpeded because you refuse to accept that the agenda is being screened at you by deep fake digital cartoons. Stop believing that silly cartoons are real men and women and the agenda will collapse overnight.
"I’m not going to do that because they posted a video game clip and said it was from Ukraine ."
I didn't ask you to do that. And they aren't deep fake because they posted a video game clip. They are deep fake because they are confirmed as deep fake when you technically analyse the videos. They have been deep fake for two years, long before this video game footage was screened
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@slinkerdeer "Denunciation rallies, also called struggle sessions, were violent public spectacles in the Mao era−China, where "class enemies" of the Maoists were publicly humiliated, accused, beaten and tortured by people they were close to.
Usually conducted at the workplace, classrooms and auditoriums, "students were pitted against their teachers, friends and spouses were pressurized to betray one another, [and] children were manipulated into exposing their parents".
Staging, scripts and agitators were prearranged by the Maoists to incite crowd support.
The aim was to instill a crusading spirit among the crowd to promote the Maoist thought reform."
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@rudy8409
"i believe that what the msm spins benefits no one who consumes it and is poison to the mind."
> So why are you having such a hard time processing the FACT that they are using deep fake software to feed us lies and propaganda?
"but the idea that these people that we see on the screens like Boris, Handcock and Whittey are just fakes is quite far out"
> It really isn't. And, for the millionth time, it is a technical fact not a thought or a theory or subjective belief. You are attempting to turn the factual reality into subjective theory or belief because you personally cannot processs what is actually a very simple concept.
"i am aware that deep fake technology has made it basically impossible to distinguish between real people on the screen and a deep fake"
> Well, this is only partially true. They are very convincing to the point of looking lifelike. BUT they still leave behind countless errors and glitches when you pause and analyse the videos properly. They are deep fakes. All of them. This is a boring and mundane technical fact that anyone can confirm with the tiniest amount of knowledge on the software. You are denying the cold and hard factual, objective reality and attempting to dismiss it as a theory.
"but right now i have no actual evidence for this"
> Incorrect. You have tens of thousands of videos from msm all over the world from the last two years. You just don't know how to analyse the evidence / you are refusing to analyse it. And, AGAIN, you also have official documented evidence of what is actually OFFICIALLY going on in Westminster that you are choosing to ignore.
"but whether or not its a deep fake or not doesnt really matter "
> It doesn't matter that the entire world is deluded and hypnotised by cartoon characters on their screen and are marching their children to jibjab centres because a cartoon has persuaded them to...??? What are you talking about?
"im not one to blindly follow in this manner "
> You have been blindly following along to this nonsense for two years and now when I am revealing the factual reality of what's going on, you are automatically programmed to deny and reject it with a chain of bizarre and illogical excuses...
" im also not one to just accept that these talking heads are definitely deep fakes"
> Your personal acceptance or belief or denial is completely irrelevant. They are deep fakes. That is a FACT. What are you not understanding about this information that I am sharing with you? Lol
"just because im being told"
> You are not just being told. I have explained to you that you can and should confirm this for yourself. Or you can ignore the FACTUAL information and continue to live your life deluded by cartoons on your tv. It makes no difference to me.
"personally i wouldnt really know where to start if i wanted to confirm"
> If you wanted to confirm the factual reality then it would be very easy for you to work all this out, very quickly.
What I am saying is 100% factually, undeniably correct. Nothing to do with belief or thought or theory
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@rudy8409 "you dont need deep fakes to feed people lies and propaganda. lies and propaganda have been used throughout most of history to deceive the masses and deep fakes are not necessary for this end."
> Yes exactly. Lies and propaganda have always been fed to us every day of our lives. Now msm have deep fake software to make their jobs infinitely easier. The entire world's daily "news" could technically be produced from a small team in a bunker in Arizona or Wuhan. At the touch of a button. You don't need the politicians or experts or celebrities to brainwash us with the narrative anymore. Big Brother can now control the micro detail of every word that is said to every person, every minute of every day. To suggest that msm (Big Brother) WOULDN'T be doing this is absurd. And, ONCE AGAIN, they ARE doing it, as a matter of undeniable FACT. It's irrelevant that you cannot process the subjective "why" of the factual reality.
"you have done nothing to prove that it is a factual reality"
> You think this because you have completely wasted a morning of my life deflecting and distracting the conversation away from the FACTUAL REALITY onto pointless and irrelevant nonsense about your own personal, subjective beliefs and thoughts. I have actually provided you with countless points of reference for to prove and understand this very simple concept for yourself but your ego wants me to do everything for you. I'm not your SLAVE. I've told you the facts and politely pointed you in the right direction to confirm it all for yourself. Stop being an entitled brat and do some WORK for YOURSELF to confirm the fatcual reality of the world you live in (and choose to be enslaved by)
"but just keep saying it over and over."
> Just keep saying over and over that you cannot believe the factual reality. It won;t change the factual reality though.
"your justification is basically 'go and analyse it yourself' which is no real argument. maybe send a link or some solid evidence because i dont tend to sit in front of the tv watching the news looking for technical errors nor do i have the skills to spot such errors."
> So you can't be bothered learning some basic skills for yourself and want me to do everything for you? I am not your SLAVE.
"i have not analysed it deeply granted."
> Well I have because I am responsible for my own life and destiny. And you are demanding that I type out decades of analysis and learning and factual information in an essay for you. And I am not doing that for you because I am not your SLAVE.
"but even if i wanted to, what the hell would i be looking for?"
> If you had politely asked me this question HOURS AGO, I would have happily helped you out. But you instead chose to waste both our lives with this inane rambling and subjective denial. It is a VERY easy thing to learn. If you had gone away and looked into this morning (as I repeatedly advised) instead of pointlessly arguing with me, you would be able to do it already.
"but it still appears to be people talking."
> Yes, that's exactly what deep fake software is. It edits the video in real time to make it look and sound like it is a real person talking. You need to learn how to analyse the videos properly. It is a VERY easy thing to do if you actually got off your lazy backside and did some work for yourself.
"you havnt even alluded of what to look out for"
> Because you have wasted both our lives on a pointless argument instead of politely asking for help and advice.
"i havnt seen any technical glitches or irregularities"
> Yes, I know. And that is why you continue to be enslaved and deluded by cartoons on your screen.
"but hey im not gonna go sifting through it all looking for something i dont even know how to identify."
> So, you can't be bothered to spend five minutes on it but think I should do it for you then submit an essay for you to review? Lol
"ive got other stuff in my life to attend to."
> And I don't?!
"if there is official documented evidence then please do share it."
> Please find the official documented evidence for yourself. I am not your SLAVE! Lol. Open up a search engine and type some words into it and read the documents and watch the videos for YOURSELF!
"i am open to looking at it but again im not going to waste my time looking."
> And I'm not going to waste my time typing out instructions for you to use a search engine and connect your brain with your eyes.
"this isnt me choosing to ignore anything."
> You have completely ignored everything I have helpfully and politely shared with you and you are demanding that I now go away and create a detailed document for you to review.
"i am willing to look at whatever you send my way but to suggest i should spend hours sifting through news reels looking for glitches is a little steep."
> And to suggest that I should do it for you is OUTRAGEOUS.
"send the official documentation and maybe i will consider looking deeper into it."
> Send you tens of thousands of documents and tens of thousands of videos with written analysis and studies of the millions of glitches contained within the videos...????
"you missed my point on that one. of course it matters that people are becoming deluded. but my point was is doesnt matter whether this comes from a cartoon or a real 'authority figure' on the tv, the result is still the same."
> No, I didn't miss the point. You are the one who cannot process what is going on here and why it is important. The result is not the same.
"maybe its just a little more screwed up if it were coming from a fake cartoon but its still screwed up regardless."
> No, it is much more important and significant than that. You are just full of excuses and denial because it allows you to stay wrapped up in your echo chamber safety bubble.
"im sorry but you know nothing about me and whether or not ive been following along."
> I know that you believe the cartoons are the real politicians and you are following along to them. I have told you they are cartoons and you are still choosing to follow along to them because you can't be bothered thinking about it. Lol
"you assume that just because"
> I didn't assume anything. You have repeatedly told me that you believe (and still believe) that these cartoons are real people.
"i havnt immediately accepted what you are saying that i am one of those people who listens to what i hear on the msm and gets my jab like a good boy."
> I didn't say you were. But you are a good little boy who watches state produced propaganda cartoons and go about your day thinking they are real people and choose not to do anything about it. It's actually even more embarrasing and pathetic to take this position than the jabbed zombies who go along with it all because they don't know any better.
"i have displayed open mindedness"
> You have displayed that you have a massive ego and your dialogue has been demanding, patronising and antagonistic.
"and asked you to send some evidence."
I,> have given you tens of thousands of data points for evidence. And you have rejected them and demanded that I do even more work for you.
"what you have said thus far is not any proof"
> It is. You just need to do some work for yourself so you can analyse the proof for yourself.
"it would be illogical of me to just accept it solely based on what you have said in your comments."
> I have specifically advised you not to just accept what I am saying and confirm it for yourself. And you are repeatedly replying, demanding that I type out an essay to make you "believe" the fatual reality
"okay i hear ya. you say that they ARE definitely deep fakes. now why dont you back up your claims"
> It's not a CLAIM! It is a FACT. And I have politely and helpfully shown you the path to now go and confirm this FACT for yourself. I have given you access to tens of thousands of data points that prove the factual reality.
"i have already explained why sifting through hours of news without even knowing what im looking for is a bit unreasonable."
> But you haven't explained why you think it is reasonable in any way that I should do this for you and then submit a report to you! Lol
"i know that Boris Johnson is real"
> Of course these people are real. But it's not the real people that they present to you on your tv anymore. You really need to look into what deep fake software is, how it works, how to spot it. The levels of ignorance and naivety on display here are mind blowing
"or are you saying that these people are replicas of real people."
> Omg. Deep fake video editing software. Not clones or robots or holograms. For goodness sake, watch some videos on what deep fake software is and how it works. This is embarrassing. Itss no more controversial or futuristic than an excel spreadsheet or photoshop.
"to me you sound deluded"
> Someone sharing a very basic and simple technical FACT about how a video is produced using very basic software sounds deluded to you? You are the one who is deluded by actual cartoons on your screen, as a matter of fact.
"but only one of us is"
> Yes, you are. I am sharing nothing but fatcual reality with you here. Not one subjective thought or belief or theory.
"and im asking you to prove to me"
> And I am telling you that I am not your slave and you don't need me to prove it to you because you can (and should!) easily prove it for yourself!
"that it isnt you which you really arent doing a great job of."
> You are dong a terrible job of denying the factual reality with flawed and illogical personal beliefs
"How? give me something to go off"
> Stop rudely and arrogantly arguing with me and type some words into a search engine. Read the documents and watch the videos. And, in future, try speaking to someone who is politely offering to help you with some manners and you will receive a completely different response
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@fuckgoogle4712 Ok thanks for that random observation. I disagree and in return think that you are deluded.
Now that we've got the pointless insults out of the way, do you have anything even remotely intelligent or sensible to add to the conversation...?
We have established that you have odd, uncontrollable, triggered feelings and thoughts about me in your head. No need to labour that creepy point.
Now, once again, do you have any evidence to show, prove, evidence, demonstrate in any way that you live on a spinning ball / pear / oblate spheroid inside a vacuum with water sticking to it... or do you just believe this crazy, deluded fairy tale is real because the freemason actor, Neil DeBlaseMoostache Hardon, told you to believe in it...?
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@ianmedford4855 "Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. ..."
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@horsemumbler1 "A fact is a claim backed by incontrovertible essence. If no evidence nor explanation for a thing can be given, it must be regarded not as fact, but as suspicion. The suspicion may be correct, but it must be demonstrably so to enter into the realm of fact."
Agreed. So where is your factual evidence to prove your suspicion that you live on a spinning ball? Lol
"I never said anything about thinking you're dealing in feelings. I'm just asking you to present the facts and their evidence as you see them."
Yes, as far as I am awre there are no facts that prove the silly spinning ball theory. Do you have any?
"You see, if you don't give me evidence for your facts, then the only reason I would have to believe them would be a feeling, and ought we not be men who deal not in feelings, but facts?"
Exactly. Unless you can provide me with facts for the spinning ball, the only reason I would have to believe it would be a feeling or blind faith in the $cientific high priests in lab coats. Ought we not be men who deal in facts, not feelings and cartoons and fairy tales...?
So, where are your facts to back up your impossible, debunked theory?
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@Mark Jones "I bear you no ill will. I'm not in a position to judge your politics or indeed your worthiness."
"Politics" is a distracting pantomime. They all serve the same masters. Have you not worked this out by now...?
"I was just letting you know, in this instance, you were not coming over very well."
Oh, somebody expresses an opinion that doesn't fit the exact tribal script of this particular digital bubble, and you think it is your position in society to warn and threaten me that I am "not coming across very well". Would you like me to hand myself in to the Gulag for re-education to ensure I no longer speak out against our masters with non-Ministry-of-Truth-approved wrongthink, comrade...?
I don't think you are "coming across very well" but I respect your right to express your views in an open conversation and don't see the point in wasting time revealing such petty and irrelevant observations.
"No particular offence intended, I could have used more measured speech."
I am not offended by your words in any way whatsoever.
"If I have unfairly judged you as a troll, then I apologise."
No need to apologise for having a conversation with me. Do you dismiss your fellow man as a "troll" when you are speaking face to face in the pub and he says something uncomfortable for you to process? Strange way to have a conversation about an interesting topic (that we are actually in general agreement over)...
"Trolls are immune to language subtleties, and mostly are only interested in reaction, you see."
So, you are apologising to me whilst simultaneously calling me a "troll". Which should I take on board? The apology or the lame insult?
Now that we have got that pointless diversion and deflection out of the way, do you have anything to say about the actual point in hand rather than telling me what you think I might be and what you think about me...?
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@Mark Jones "Why would I want you to stop taking, Dave?"
I have no idea. Why do you?
"I'm sorry you don't appreciate feedback, it's the new thing though, isn't it? Sensitivity, I mean. Truth be damned, what about your feelies, eh?"
No, as stated previously, I am not offended in any way whatsoever by our words. You were inexplicably triggered by my words and continue to be. Try again...
"Despite your aspersions, I'm more of a boob man myself. I guess I should have suggested you were making a tit of yourself, but that lacked the timbre of solemnity that I was reaching for. and it was indeed wasted on your good self."
Yes, I understand that you have uncontrollable emotions for me that you can't stop sharing, but what do you actually want? I wasn't offering to be your therapist.
"I was merely censuring you"
So, you admit your main objective here is to (try to) silence and censor me. Thank you for your honesty.
"for your dubiously argued points in this string"
The only point that you have argued here is that you think I am an arse and a tit. Not exactly the height of intellectual thought, is it?
"to this point, no reason to get all huffy"
I am not "huffy" in any way whatsoever. I am laughing at your feeble and embarrasing dialogue. What makes you think that your childish words have upset my "feelings"? Lol
"I'm sure you are capable of rational discussion and even reason"
Yes, agreed. You have clearly demonstrated that you are not
"I just felt you had lost the plot in this instance."
Yes, I know that you have been having multiple random thoughts and emotions about me. No need to labour the point.
Now, what do you actually want? What has any of this got to do with Trump? Why are you typing out this nonsense as a bunch of psychos inject the children and pregnant women? That's the story of your war - talking about arses as they inject the children...
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